Prometheus & The Ecosystem Community Meeting

[Povilas Versockas]

Hello everyone,

We are bringing back Prometheus community meetup, which is going to happen online. It’s a monthly meeting happening every first Wednesday of the month, on odd months 9:00 am UTC, on even months 5:00 pm UTC. 

The first one is coming up on July 3d 9 am UTC.

You can get more information at https://bit.ly/prometheus-community-agenda

There is also going to be a new twist to it. We are not only going to talk about the Prometheus but also the ecosystem projects, which closely relate to Prometheus like Grafana, Cortex or Thanos.

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Povilas

[Aliaksandr Valialkin]

It would be great to talk about VictoriaMetrics - promising open-source project in Prometheus ecosystem, which implements fast scalable long-term remote storage with PromQL support. It features cost-effectiveness plus easy setup and operation.

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[Bartłomiej Płotka]

Hi,

Community meetings are for any discussions related to the ecosystem, so if VictoriaMetrics gives a value to the Prometheus ecosystem and if anyone has any questions or announcement about it, anyone should feel free to add those in the agenda. 

>  It would be great to talk about VictoriaMetrics 

What exactly you would like to talk about in particular?

Please keep in mind that community meeting is not for promoting your own projects. You as the main author and the maintainer asking to just talk about a "promising" project you own, suggests pure advertisement.

There is no blocker in bringing a specific topic around it though, for example I would love to hear more about potential collaboration between Prometheus team and you in terms of knowledge sharing and benchmarks together.

What do you think? 

Kind Regards,
Bartek

 

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[Aliaksandr Valialkin]

Hi Bartłomiej,

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 2:29 PM Bartłomiej Płotka <bwpl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Community meetings are for any discussions related to the ecosystem, so if VictoriaMetrics gives a value to the Prometheus ecosystem and if anyone has any questions or announcement about it, anyone should feel free to add those in the agenda. 

>  It would be great to talk about VictoriaMetrics 

What exactly you would like to talk about in particular?

The following topics may be interesting:

- Experience sharing when using VictoriaMetrics as long-term storage for Prometheus in production.

- Using Promxy in VictoriaMetrics HA setup.

- Single-node vs cluster versions. Pros and cons.

- Collecting metrics from Prometheus-operator running in multiple Kubernetes clusters.

- Collecting metrics from geographically spread Prometheus instances scattered across the Globe.

- Prometheus sidecars vs remote_write - what is better to use for ingesting data into long-term storage?

- Object storage (S3, GCS) vs block storage (EBS, GCE disks) - what is better to use for storing long-term data?

- Remote_read protocol and global query view: is it OK to fetch data via remote_read if this data was stored there by third-party Prometheus instances?

 

Please keep in mind that community meeting is not for promoting your own projects. You as the main author and the maintainer asking to just talk about a "promising" project you own, suggests pure advertisement.

I see. Then it would be better if somebody else who already uses VictoriaMetrics in production could share their experience.

 

There is no blocker in bringing a specific topic around it though, for example I would love to hear more about potential collaboration between Prometheus team and you in terms of knowledge sharing and benchmarks together.

What do you think? 

This sounds great!

It would be great to add support for Prometheus remote storage benchmarking into TSBS. The data must be ingested by Prometheus remote_write protocol and then queried via PromQL. This will allow benchmarking remote storage solutions with PromQL support such as Cortex, Uber M3 and Thanos (it should support remote_write via receiver component).

 

Kind Regards,
Bartek

 

On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 23:30, Aliaksandr Valialkin <val...@gmail.com> wrote:

It would be great to talk about VictoriaMetrics - promising open-source project in Prometheus ecosystem, which implements fast scalable long-term remote storage with PromQL support. It features cost-effectiveness plus easy setup and operation.

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 5:26 PM Povilas Versockas <p.ver...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello everyone,

We are bringing back Prometheus community meetup, which is going to happen online. It’s a monthly meeting happening every first Wednesday of the month, on odd months 9:00 am UTC, on even months 5:00 pm UTC. 

The first one is coming up on July 3d 9 am UTC.

You can get more information at https://bit.ly/prometheus-community-agenda

There is also going to be a new twist to it. We are not only going to talk about the Prometheus but also the ecosystem projects, which closely relate to Prometheus like Grafana, Cortex or Thanos.

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[Aliaksandr Valialkin]

It is interesting to see how questions related to VictoriaMetrics are continuously removed from the Prometheus community agenda without any explanations.

Povilas, could you comment on this? Are you afraid of Thanos competitors such as VictoriaMetrics and Uber M3? This doesn't look like healthy community behavior.

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[Frederic Branczyk]

I think we got off on the wrong start. Let me say this up-front, everyone is interested in learning from each other and if that improves Prometheus and the ecosystem then we can all benefit from that - which is what this community is all about.

The issue that has happened is that VictoriaMetrics has presented itself very black and white, not talking about trade-offs it takes, which feels very promotional, the community meeting is not a place for this. The community meeting is a platform for users to get latest news in established projects in the ecosystem. The list of projects wasn't formalized, but roughly the things that fall into this category are Prometheus, Alertmanager, Grafana, Cortex, Thanos, node-exporter, and potentially kube-state-metrics and maybe larger instrumentation efforts in Kubernetes as the two communities are very interconnected, but even that I'm unsure about.

> Are you afraid of Thanos competitors such as VictoriaMetrics and Uber M3? 

We've had very constructive discussion with M3 contributors at KubeCon Barcelona, we're in no way afraid, all we care about is solving a common problem as a community and learn from each other.

My personal advice to you, as pretty much the sole author of the code is: build a community and interact in a constructive way (less opinion and more well grounded facts) with the existing community and contribute to the Prometheus and Grafana project (I understand Grafana was forked, but not contributed back upstream, please correct me if I'm wrong). You're clearly a very talented engineer putting all of this together, and I'd personally love to learn from you and your experience, but you need to engage in a non-promotional way and collaborate. That way as a community we can make everyones life better. :)

Hi Bartłomiej,

Kind Regards,
Bartek

 

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[Krasi Georgiev]

Just to second Frederic's post. I am also very interested in collaborating with Aliaksandr and already started looking at the code base and working on some benchmarks, but his approach so far has been rather critic to all other projects and stating only superlatives for VM.

I really hope that what you claim is true, but as Frederic mentioned being part of and building a community is a lot more than just great engineering. 

[Aliaksandr Valialkin]

Frederic and Krasi, thanks for warm responses!

The previous message was too emotional, so I'll try calming down before sending new messages :)

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:24 PM Krasi Georgiev <krasi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Just to second Frederic's post. I am also very interested in collaborating with Aliaksandr and already started looking at the code base and working on some benchmarks, but his approach so far has been rather critic to all other projects and stating only superlatives for VM.

I really hope that what you claim is true, but as Frederic mentioned being part of and building a community is a lot more than just great engineering. 

On Tuesday, 2 July 2019 17:09:17 UTC+3, Frederic Branczyk wrote:

I think we got off on the wrong start. Let me say this up-front, everyone is interested in learning from each other and if that improves Prometheus and the ecosystem then we can all benefit from that - which is what this community is all about.

The issue that has happened is that VictoriaMetrics has presented itself very black and white, not talking about trade-offs it takes, which feels very promotional, the community meeting is not a place for this. The community meeting is a platform for users to get latest news in established projects in the ecosystem. The list of projects wasn't formalized, but roughly the things that fall into this category are Prometheus, Alertmanager, Grafana, Cortex, Thanos, node-exporter, and potentially kube-state-metrics and maybe larger instrumentation efforts in Kubernetes as the two communities are very interconnected, but even that I'm unsure about.

> Are you afraid of Thanos competitors such as VictoriaMetrics and Uber M3? 

We've had very constructive discussion with M3 contributors at KubeCon Barcelona, we're in no way afraid, all we care about is solving a common problem as a community and learn from each other.

My personal advice to you, as pretty much the sole author of the code is: build a community and interact in a constructive way (less opinion and more well grounded facts) with the existing community and contribute to the Prometheus and Grafana project

 

(I understand Grafana was forked, but not contributed back upstream, please correct me if I'm wrong).

This isn't correct. VictoriaMetrics didn't fork neither Prometheus nor Grafana - it is written from scratch as a long-term remote storage for Prometheus. It supports PromQL and Prometheus querying API, so it may be used as a drop-in replacement for Prometheus in Grafana.

 

You're clearly a very talented engineer putting all of this together, and I'd personally love to learn from you and your experience, but you need to engage in a non-promotional way and collaborate. That way as a community we can make everyones life better. :)

Agreed.

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