Re: [prometheus-developers] Digest for prometheus-developers@googlegroups.com - 6 updates in 1 topic

[Suraj Sidh]

NO

I share the same reasoning as Björn and Marcelo.

I also think that the rename will create confusion among users.

happy to change my vote if we learn that name has bad connotations.

Cheers,

Suraj

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• [VOTE] Rename blackbox_exporter to prober - 6 Updates

[VOTE] Rename blackbox_exporter to prober

Callum Styan <callu...@gmail.com>: Jan 24 02:03PM -0800 ABSTAIN   I don't have a strong enough opinion to vote either way.   On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 1:26 PM Richard Hartmann <

Ganesh Vernekar <ganes...@gmail.com>: Jan 25 01:37PM +0530 Abstain from voting. Same reason as Callum.

"Marcelo Magallón" <marcelo....@grafana.com>: Jan 25 08:46AM -0600 NO   I'm actually on the fence on this, but my current position is closer to no change.   Reading thru https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-knodel-terminology-00.html and following the link to https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-bad-is-black-effect/ I can follow an argument like "black has a societal association with bad, and we should work towards fixing this". The bit I'm not convinced about is that scrubbing the word "black" everywhere moves us towards that goal, and I would even say that it does the opposite.   In "blacklist" such an association is obvious, since that's a list of bad actors, and therefore that word is problematic because it reinforces the stereotype. In "blackbox" no such association is intended or exists, as it simply means "opaque" or "hidden".   That said, I can concede that because of the connotation that "black" has for some people, they could interpret the term "blackbox" in the negative, communicating that a blackbox test is somehow inferior to the alternatives. If the goal is to fix _that_ perception, it should be stated clearly.   On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 8:41 AM Julien Pivotto <roidel...@prometheus.io> wrote:     -- Marcelo Magallón

Goutham Veeramachaneni <gout...@gmail.com>: Jan 25 03:53PM +0100 NO   I don't think prober is a good name and I think the change will cause a lot of confusion longer-term. I might be okay with *probe_exporter* but prober is a NO from me. I am sorry that I missed suggesting this and engaging with the previous thread :/   Thanks Goutham   On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 3:41 PM Julien Pivotto <roidel...@prometheus.io> wrote:

Bjoern Rabenstein <bjo...@rabenste.in>: Jan 25 05:33PM +0100 NO   Not feeling strongly, actually. In general, I'm not sure if the renaming itself will have a positive or negative effect (pretty much along the lines of Marcelo's mail). Add to that the overhead and confusion that comes with any renaming, I end up with a net-negative.   I explicitly don't want to make the call myself if "blackbox" has negative connotations. From what I know and feel, it doesn't. More on the contrary. But I think that call has to be made by those who would be affected if there were negative connotations.   More generally, I think it is a good idea to avoid metaphors in technical terms where possible, as attractive as they often appear. It's the nature of metaphors that they can be understood in various ways, and some of those might be unintended, distracting, or even insulting. That's why I think the move from "master/slave" to "primary/secondary" (or similar) is a great idea. However, "blackbox" is as much a metaphor as "prober".   On 20.01.22 15:41, Julien Pivotto wrote:   -- Björn Rabenstein [PGP-ID] 0x851C3DA17D748D03 [email] bjo...@rabenste.in

Chris Marchbanks <csmarc...@gmail.com>: Jan 25 10:55AM -0700 NO   I generally agree with Goutham and would be okay with probe_exporter.   On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:53 AM Goutham Veeramachaneni

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