Low acceleration

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Meninstick

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Oct 12, 2023, 6:28:57 AM10/12/23
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 Hello, I am currently modelling a simple vehicle, using the simpleEngine, AutomaticTransmissionSimpleMap and SimpleDriveline templates.

Using 40Nm tourque on the engine and a 1:1 gear ratio, 0.5 Front Chrono_acc.pngTorque Fraction I get only about half the excpected acceleration. Are there any losses I havn't acounted for?

 

For the acceleration test the throttle is set to 1, resulting in instant maximum tourque.

The graph shows an acceleration from 0 to 1.03 m/s in 0.57s. Resulting in a = 1.807 m/s^2.

Using the effective mass (taking wheel inertia into account), F = m*a results in F = 125N, 31.5N per wheel.

With a tire radius of 0.165m I get 5.2N/wheel. Not the 10N/ wheel expected.

 

Total mass: 66.3kg

Tire radius: 0.165m

Tire inertia: [0.015, 0.019, 0.015],

Wheel inertia: [0.002, 0.004, 0.002]

Effective mass: 69.8kg

 

Any answers are appreciated :)

 

tldr:

Are there any losses between SimpleEngine, AutomaticTransmissionSimpleMap, SimpleDriveline and the ground?

Radu Serban

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Oct 15, 2023, 12:55:34 PM10/15/23
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You don’t say anything about the tire model and terrain model you use.  You cannot leave that out when doing such a back of the envelope calculation.
You are assuming rolling without slip.  First thing I would do is monitor the longitudinal slip at each wheel.

 

--Radu

 

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Subject: [chrono] Low acceleration

 

 Hello, I am currently modelling a simple vehicle, using the simpleEngine, AutomaticTransmissionSimpleMap and SimpleDriveline templates.

Using 40Nm tourque on the engine and a 1:1 gear ratio, 0.5 Front Torque Fraction I get only about half the excpected acceleration. Are there any losses I havn't acounted for?

 

For the acceleration test the throttle is set to 1, resulting in instant maximum tourque.

The graph shows an acceleration from 0 to 1.03 m/s in 0.57s. Resulting in a = 1.807 m/s^2.

Using the effective mass (taking wheel inertia into account), F = m*a results in F = 125N, 31.5N per wheel.

With a tire radius of 0.165m I get 5.2N/wheel. Not the 10N/ wheel expected.

 

Total mass: 66.3kg

Tire radius: 0.165m

Tire inertia: [0.015, 0.019, 0.015],

Wheel inertia: [0.002, 0.004, 0.002]

Effective mass: 69.8kg

 

Any answers are appreciated :)

 

tldr:

Are there any losses between SimpleEngine, AutomaticTransmissionSimpleMap, SimpleDriveline and the ground?

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Meninstick

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Oct 19, 2023, 9:55:01 AM10/19/23
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Hello again. Sorry for leaving out vital information about the tire and terrain model. I was using rigid tire and terrain and there was very little slip. Turns out the problem was an axle with very high inertia in the rigid suspension I hadn't taken into account.

Thanks!

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