Fwd: [Squares] Global Online Occupy/Anonymous/Indignados Town Hall

[Sophie Banasiak]

sur les projets de réécriture de la constitution aux Etats-Unis... 

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From: Michael Morgan <bigdog...@hotmail.com>
Date: 2012/1/22
Subject: Re: [Squares] Global Online Occupy/Anonymous/Indignados Town Hall
To: Take the Squares list <squ...@lists.takethesquare.net>

I'm not on Facebook so I'd like to respond briefly here to the issue of a Constitutional convention mentioned in numbers 3 & 4 in his list of questions.
 
"Should the American people call for a constitutional convention to amend the Constitution of the United States of America?"
 
Absolutely NOT!!!  The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are still the 'shining light upon the hill' that is the model that other societies strive to attain.  It is the American people who have run into the ditch in their minds.  I am an American and I am ashamed of the mess created by MY generation of Americans.  By our ignorance, and our pliability by the mass media, we have lost our collective ability to think (or maybe our ability to think collectively?)  Our American society is so dumbed down that the people cannot conduct a rational discourse on hardly any subject.  The American people today are not intellectually qualified to conduct a constitutional convention.  With the current mindset and stupidity of most Americans the new constitution would be an absolute disaster.  Brittany Spears would probably be elected as head of the delegation and Lady Gaga would be proclaimed queen forever and we would worship her mummified body.  The Kardashians and Brad Pitt would have to be included somewhere.  The election process would devolve to American Idol-style voting.
 
Only since the Occupy movement shoved it down their throats did the average American think to rebel.  Out in the rural areas of the US the people still don't have a clue what Occupy is about.  And if they have heard of the riots in Russia or anywhere else they don't connect it with a worldwide movement.  They think of it as 'political unrest in Russia over the elections,' without tying it to the Occupy / worldwide movement.
 
I reiterate:  The American people today are not intellectually qualified to conduct a Constitutional Convention.  Stop that idea now.  Add an Amendment to the Bill of Rights if necessary.  DO NOT call for a Constitutional Convention.  We don't know how to have that kind of conversation anymore in the U.S.  We have forgotten what liberty is.

 

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Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:28:12 +0100
From: tern...@gmail.com
To: squ...@lists.takethesquare.net
Subject: Re: [Squares] ONGOING GLOBAL EVENT: 2nd Global Online Occupy/Anonymous/Indignados Town Hall

Thanks for the reply Michele,

I've visited the US a few times, the country is just so huge (and diverse) that it makes you think that the word "Global" means East to West Coast. I don't blame Sanders for that (I come from a chauvinist culture as well).

I was thinking like you before I post it, but then I though back in May-June 2011 I would had been so great to be able to send 13 questions about the movement born and centered in Spain to the whole network (few people were giving little attention to the re-love-ution at that time) and that is why I decided to give this US centered poll a chance, because we did not have one.

You may call it "generosity"(¿?) 

:)

T

On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Michelle Taylor <ches...@gmail.com> wrote:

...Those are very US-centric questions for something sent 'around the world'...

On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Dr. TR. Rojas-D <tern...@gmail.com> wrote:
> By Owen danders in: http://www.facebook.com/events/279513442103221/
>
> You are cordially invited to the second global online
> Occupy/Anonymous/Indignados town hall. I've come up with a set of questions
> that I will post in hundreds of facebook groups around the world. You, along
> with the rest of the members of the Occupy, Anonymous, and Indignados
> movements who are on facebook around the world, give your opinion on the
> questions, discuss them, say whatever you like really. I will catalog all
> the responses and compile them into one document, which I will then edit for
> length and post in all the facebook groups. That way, everyone in the world
> can see whatever everyone else around the world thinks about the questions.
>
> My hope is that this will get us thinking and eventually acting as one
> global movement. My hope is that by the property of emergence, a collective
> consciousness will emerge from this and future town halls that will reshape
> this world.
>
> The results of the first town hall can be found
> here: http://occupyvision.com/archives/372
>
> WHEN: The second global online Occupy town hall will take place on January
> 21st, at 8pm Greenwich Mean Time, which is:
>
> 12pm, Noon, Pacific Time
> 3pm Eastern Time
>
> UNTIL: Whenever people stop posting...
>
> To figure out when 8pm Greenwich Mean Time is where you are, go
> here: http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/
>
> WHERE: In hundreds of Facebook groups around the world. The town hall
> questions will be posted in every group to which this invitation was sent.
>
> If you need to find a Facebook group to join the discussion, here are some
> groups:
>
> http://www.facebook.com/groups/thisisoccupycentral/
> http://www.facebook.com/groups/272542879456091/
> http://www.facebook.com/groups/EarthHome/
>
>
>
> Here's the first draft of the questions that will be asked in the town
> hall:
>
> The 2nd Online Global Occupy/Indignados/Anonymous Town Hall:
>
> 1. About 130 people have taken this poll on http://occupyvision.com/:
>
> “Which issue should the American people try to solve first? Note that this
> does not mean which do you think is most important, but simply which should
> we tackle first?”
>
> 74% of respondents said “Getting money out of politics and ending corporate
> personhood”. No other option got above 7%. In the previous global online
> town hall, the majority of respondents who answered whether they agreed with
> this poll said that they did. In addition, national polling shows that 80%
> of Americans agree that getting money out of politics should be a top
> priority. I’m going to ask the question again, since we have a much larger
> and more diverse group of town hall participants this time. Should our
> united social movements collectively pursue getting money out of politics
> and ending corporate personhood as our first priority?
>
>
> 2. For those living in developing nations, is the equivalent to the
> intertwined issues of getting money out of politics and ending corporate
> personhood that of ending government corruption and bribery? If you live in
> the developing world, is this issue important enough to you to be worth
> making it a priority? What are some potential ways we could address this
> issue?
>
>
> 3. The founding fathers of the United States of America, recognizing the
> need for a revolution every twenty years or so, built into the United States
> Constitution an avenue for completely legal and nonviolent revolution. It’s
> called a constitutional convention. The way it works is that if we get 2/3
> of the state legislatures in the US to pass a bill asking Congress to call a
> constitutional convention, they’ll have no choice but to do it.
>
> Then, someone in Congress would propose a bill about how the convention
> would be run. The last time this almost happened, Senator Orin Hatch made a
> pretty good proposal, the most important provision of which was the one
> requiring that no senator or representative be “elected as delegate”.
> However, we could force on them whatever form of convention we wish. At the
> convention, we the people would propose amendments to the constitution, the
> highest law of the land. Note that in order to pass, any proposed amendment
> must be ratified by ¾ of the states, which means that only issues on which
> the left and the right are united could a consensus be reached. Should the
> American people call for a constitutional convention to amend the
> Constitution of the United States of America?
>
> 4. If the American people hold a constitutional convention, what amendments
> should be proposed?
>
> 5. Should all our movements across the globe unite somehow in order to
> resolve our first common grievance?

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