Issue the Military the S&W mp.40

[Haus]

All Branches of the military should dump the Beretta 9mm and adopt the
Smith and Wesson .40 Cal

The 9mm is a .45 cal set on stun The .40 caliber is more accurate, it
has the knock down power needed in close quarters combat and it is a
high volocity round

[The Real Gun Guy]

Seems logical to me. I carry a 9mm, but logic says that the bigger the
hole the more damage you're going to do. Especially when you're
restricted to FMJ as the military is. I'd prefer they go to .45, but
realize this might be a bit much for "some" of them to handle.

Thoughts?

[searan...@gmail.com]

No doubt that the 9mm is too anemic for combat. I was just reading an
article about the guys in the sandbox complaining that it takes three
or four rounds to drop a Jihadi. What's worse is they've been issued
crap magazines that don't feed unless they load no more than 10 rounds
in the mag. So much for the hi-cap argument.

I'd favor a Glock in .40 or .45. The Glock is well proven to stand up
to all a grunt can put it through and still fire. When it comes down
to it, if they need to use a handgun the last thing they need to worry
about is how many shots it's going to take and whether or not the
bullet launcher goes "bang" when they pull the trigger.

[Sailorcurt]

I doubt that the military would ever sign off on the Glock as an
issued weapon. No external safety. There may be plenty of arguments
that demonstrate that there is no need for an external safety but it's
pretty much guaranteed that the upper echelon won't care about little
things like "reason" or "logic."

Keep in mind, this is the same bureaucracy that resisted transitioning
from single shots to repeaters, from repeaters to semi-autos and from
semi-autos to select fire...all for the same reason: the higher rate
of fire might encourage poor fire discipline and wasting of ammo.

I doubt that the military will be going away from 9mm any time soon
unless they can convince all NATO countries to support the change. A
big part of the reason for going to the pea shooter in the first place
was to standardize ammo between NATO forces so that joint ops would be
easier to support.


On Jan 2, 5:49 pm, "searandham...@gmail.com" <searandham...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[searan...@gmail.com]

You make some good points and clearly illustrate the problems with the
brass-asses.

Maybe the answer is something a little less radical. What if the 9mm
were ramped up to a hotter round? The +P loads have been around for a
while, would take a minimum of reworking in the factory and would
offer better terminal performance.

[Joe Huffman]

Probably the easiest way to improve terminal performance would be to ignore
the Hague Convention and use hollow points instead of FMJs.

-joe-

[Yuri Orlov]

I can hear the hew and cry now. ...and people thought there was a outcry over "waterboarding"

It's always seemed kind of ridiculous to me to mandate FMJ ammo in effort to lessen suffering during war. I mean, it's war, the object of which is to kill the bad guys and blow stuff up.

-Yuri

[madrocketscientist]

No, we don't want to kill the enemy

just issue flesh wounds

(how do you say "Tis but a flesh wound" in arabic?)

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[Joe Huffman]

Technically, at the most fundamental level, the objective of war is to change behavior.

 

It might be that one entity wants another entity to stop defending their oil wells so the first entity can have those resources for themselves. Or it might be that one entity wants the other to give up their current political system. But it’s not really about killing and blow stuff up. That’s just the mechanism by which the behavior is modified.

 

Just being a nit-picky engineer again…

 

-joe-

http://blog.joehuffman.org/

[searan...@gmail.com]

Joe,

You may be right about the objective of war, but, as one of my
favorite generals said, "You don't win a war by dying for your
country. You win a war by making the other son-of-a-bitch die for
his."

Give me a SAW and a bucket of ammo, a guy on my left with an M-60, a
guy on my right with a grenade launcher, a guy at my back with an
M-14, a radio tied to artillery, a "puff the magic dragon" circling
overhead, and my objective will be made clear.

And if any of those S.O.B's finds a way to come through all of that
then I want a .45 with hollow points in my hand, because DAMN am I
gonna be pissed!

Geez...Patton can still inspire folks can't he? ;-)