To create this pressure difference, the surface of the wing must satisfy one or both ofthe following conditions. The wing surface must be:
All aircraft developers struggle to make airfoils for wings, tails, or propellers. A manually created spline will not guarantee the precision of the shape. Airfoils are represented as a set of X and Y coordinates in the DAT files. These coordinates should be multiplied on the wing chord to get real X and Y coordinates of all points.
I haven't MacOS computer to reproduce the error. Try to ask your question in this thread. -360-api-and-scripts/airfoil-dat-to-spline/td-p/7862870/page/2Someone will help, I believe.Provide all steps you performed with screenshots or results.
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I am trying to refine an airfoil I have imported from coordinates. I start with 33 points and I try to refine the foil globally. Any adjustment to the number of points creates a flat line along the x axis. This happens for any number of points and with any airfoil I use.
Some of the airfoils I load into XFLR5 come with a line along the X axis, from the leading to trailing edge (check attachment). This screws up both 2D and 3D simulations. Does anyone know a fix? I got the coordinates of the airfoil in the image from -selig.ae.illinois.edu/ads/coord_database.html.
Hi All, like several other folks, I can't find any support forums for AVL, so figure I might try here; however, I am using XFLR5 to generate geometry at the moment. I'm new to this type of process and working my way up to proficiency and expect to practice analysis with both AVL and XFLR5. Anyhow, AVL is tossing out some message that it can't find the airfoil foil, but as you can see in the screenshot, ....from what I understand, its exactly where it needs to be. Both the *.avl and airfoil *.dat are in the same folder..in this case the runs folder. The geometry looks fine in AVL FWIW. Has anybody else encountered this error? Ironically, if I load up a sample file, like the b737, it loads fine with no errors...but when I copy the AFIL directive from the b737 into my own *.avl, then all the sudden, it can't find the same airfoil file the b737 uses and kicks out the error message. Make me wonder if another directive is required in order to be able to read the AFIL file.
OK...I just figured out the issue. the file path given in the *.avl file to the airfoil.dat is relative to the avl executable....not relative to the where the *.avl file is. So :avl $ ./avl runs/tk3.avl doesn't work...but :runs ../avl tk3.avl does. Subtle....
1) I can load airfoil shapes easy enough by using pts files/splines but I would like the shape to be parameterised. ie the airfoil changes with span and due to Reynolds number effects changes with scale. I am also likely to change the airfoil profile a number of times while prototyping and testing. Is there a way to have the airfoil profile parameterised in a family table or something similar?.
2. By "plane normal to the sketch plane" do you mean horizontal? I'm not sure I understand what you are doing here. If you have an angle of attack defined, your angle is set, and location is probably fixed as well. Are you just trying to locate the highest point on the airfoil?
Good luck to you; you're ambitious to start out with airfoil geometry. I would recommend researching the ptc knowledge base on the subject. In the past they have included airfoils in course exercises, illustrating scaling the section along the span and twisting the foil using angles in a General Blend.
In regard to constraining the airfoil spline I am indeed trying to locate the highest point on the airfoil. I set the angle of attack and want the high point of the airfoil to set the vertical location, therefore as I change angle of attack the high point will stay on the same horizontal line. It is fine with circular geometry but I can not make it work with a spline. I could post a sample but I only have the student version.
1. Are you sure this is the way you want to control the airfoil? If you have more than one section along the span (of varying size and attack angle), and you constrain them all with highest-point-in-the-same-plane, aren't you in danger of creating a "wavy" wing where the leading edge moves around in an uncontrolled way? In other words, don't you want to control the straightness or gentle curve of the leading edge or its center, then let the developing foil twist around that control?
I want to constrain the airfoil in this way because this is how it is for the full size sailplane. The points files are 133 points for the top and 133 points for the bottom but I can interpolate these easily in Matlab to any desired format/size. I think I may manually place the airfoil sections and live with having to adjust them as required. This works by duplicating the airfoil in two sketches the second references the first sketch then a line can be made tangent to the reference profile. The required distance can be manually measured to correctly place another copy of the airfoil.
Here is the basic outline (Grunau Baby II). I ended up doing more or less as you suggested but added the analysis and optimization to the family tree so that the profiles are located automatically with each regen. The hard part now is to work out how to change profiles parametrically (all points in the airfoil spline) and add a thickened trailing edge, also parametrically driven, scale flying models have a thick trailing edge compared to the full size thing. I cant help but feel that proe does not deal with splines very efficiently.
My intention is to change the airfoil profile to a new shape so it is beyond just scaling a profile. I was hoping to declare the file that defines the airfoil spline as a parameter to enable the profile to be quickly changed. I can now see proe does not work that way so for know I will stick with doing it manually which is not much of a hassle. I might also look into the various API's (java) as they seem to offer a lot of possibilities.
I have found patents describing 3D objects such as turbofan blades using a combination of airfoils, twist and sweep combined. There seems to be nothing showing or describing a 2D profile of a wing unless it's flaps.
There certainly are airfoils that are patented. Here is an example. Here is another airfoil by the famous aerodynamicist Richard Whitcomb. I think it is tricky in practice to obtain a patent in that you need to define the airfoil in a way that isn't so narrow as to be useless for protection. Just claiming a series of coordinates would provide very little protection as someone could make minor changes to avoid infringement.
To offer an interpretive clarification: By definition 2D and 3D imply two-dimensional and three-dimensional fluid flow. A 2D profile is, by definition, a wing section or airfoil. There are many applications for 3D flow analysis and proprietary/patented design of wings and engine turbines. For instance, understanding 3D flow would be necessary in computational fluid dynamics for innovative winglet design to lower the drag of a wing and thereby improve fuel economy, or in the specialized modification of fairings on a wing or along the fuselage to limit flow interference and thereby reduce aerodynamic drag. By definition, flaps usually means a segment along the trailing edge of a wing that can be extended, and deflected downward, to increase lift. For heavy aircraft, such flaps are slotted. The design for improved lift typically involves, in addition to the use of slotted flaps, leading-edge slats (a drooping, forward extension of the leading edge of a wing) that opens a slot to improve airflow over the upper surface of the wing and augment the improved lift from slotted flaps.
And now onward to airfoils. There are airfoils that have been patented. Many of those airfoils are designed for specialized or specific applications be they wings, propellers, or turbine blades. Patented design usually means the designer developed and applied new and original special processes, innovative procedures, or applications in the design and development of their airfoil. By originality of process and design, these are considered unique and patentable. Examples have been offered elsewhere in the answer to this question.
However, airfoil design in general may not involve this type of innovative originality, even though the designer's resulting airfoil is, in itself, highly original. The typical development of airfoils for low-speed applications uses mathematical constructs involving conformal mapping and applications in fluid mechanics. The mathematical basis for these designs originated in the early 20th century. Developments in the theory were advanced during the Second World War through a careful review of mathematical theory and verification by wind-tunnel testing. This work was done by the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics, the predecessor of NASA. A considerable amount of this work has been published and is electronically available. Among special advances in pre-1950 airfoil design were the use of boundary-layer control to lower airfoil drag, development of advanced flap systems to improve lift, and the development of more efficient propellers.
After 1950, the specialized design of airfoils diverged. High-speed flight and the development of heavier, jet-powered aircraft, had different requirements and resulted in different advances in airfoil design. Many of these advances are considered proprietary and by their very nature, are obscure. In many cases, these proprietary features have been patented. This same element also persisted in the design of low-speed airfoils. Although the features of a design were easily recognized, understood, and attributed to known theory, backing out or reversing the process to obtain the procedure followed in developing the design would be protracted and considered largely impractical. Unless, of course, one had critical and key insights to the applied theory. Consequently, such designs have been considered the intellectual property of the designer. For all practical intents and purposes, this has been considered as good as a patent.
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