JSON / XML representations of Runestone Questions

Bradley Miller

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Jun 23, 2026, 5:27:29 PMJun 23

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Rob,

First, sorry the first attempt at this managed to go to -announce.

Onward:

Here is a simple example of the existing JSON representation for a card sort:

{ 'correctAnswers': [ ['left-1782245035128', 'right-1782245035129'], ['left-1782245102902', 'right-1782245110367'], ['left-1782245135124', 'right-1782245123236'], ['left-1782245848229', 'right-1782245035129']], 'feedback': 'Not quite. Try again.', 'left': [ {'id': 'left-1782245035128', 'label': 'England'}, {'id': 'left-1782245848229', 'label': 'France'}, {'id': 'left-1782245102902', 'label': 'USA'}, {'id': 'left-1782245135124', 'label': 'Egypt'}], 'right': [ {'id': 'right-1782245035129', 'label': 'EUEFA'}, {'id': 'right-1782245110367', 'label': 'CONCACAF'}, {'id': 'right-1782245123236', 'label': 'CAF'}], 'statement': 'Here is a cool card sort question. Match the national teams to

their regional confederation.’}

Correct / incorrect feedback keys would be added to the list of objects referenced by the ‘left’ key.

statement, feedback, plus new feedback(s) could all contain arbitrary html.

Brad

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Rob Beezer

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Jun 23, 2026, 7:32:27 PMJun 23

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Thanks, Brad. Sorry I missed the retry, several balls in the air right now. ;-)

And you want XML that mirrors the JSON? If you ran the JSON though your
tool/converter would it give me an even better leg-up?

What is the significance of the huge integers? Can I just use 1, 2, 3, 4? (Are
they local to the problem, or global?)

So many questions.

Rob

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Bradley Miller

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I don’t have a tool that would go from JSON to XML, but I could probably create one, or just ask claude to write one. Sounds like a fun little project, I’ll let you know later today.

The example I showed was built in the web interface, it does not ask the user to provide identifiers like an author of a question would need to do in PreTeXt. They are used as ids of the spans that are dragged and dropped so they do need to be unique. I think you may already handle that with the document-id + edition prefix to whatever the author chooses.

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Bradley Miller

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Jun 24, 2026, 11:57:28 AMJun 24

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My assistant recommended that we can re-use a lot of what we did for matching.

<statement>Here is a cool card sort question</statement>

<feedback>Not quite. Try again.</feedback>

<label>England</label>

</premise>

<label>France</label>

</premise>

</premise>

<label>Egypt</label>

</premise>

<id>right-1782245035129</id>

<label>EUEFA</label>

</response>

<id>right-1782245110367</id>

<label>CONCACAF</label>

</response>

<id>right-1782245123236</id>

</response>

</cardsort>

Seems simple enough to add a <feedback-correct>….</feedback-correct> and <feedback-incorrect>...</feedback-incorrect> inside each premise.

Brad

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Rob Beezer

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We had to pair premise and response into an #answer since #matching was so broad.

For #cardsort, we can associate premise-s with their one true response by
nesting them together. Which do you like?

Also, would you like to *always* have a #feedback-correct AND a
#feedback-incorrect, which could be possibly empty? Or do you only want those
elements if there is content for them?

Rob

> <answerpremise="left-1782245848229"response="right-1782245035129"/>

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> </cardsort>
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> Seems simple enough to add a <feedback-correct>….</feedback-correct> and
> <feedback-incorrect>...</feedback-incorrect> inside each premise.
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>> On Jun 24, 2026, at 7:57 AM, Bradley Miller <br...@runestone.academy> wrote:
>>
>> I don’t have a tool that would go from JSON to XML, but I could probably
>> create one, or just ask claude to write one. Sounds like a fun little
>> project, I’ll let you know later today.
>>
>> The example I showed was built in the web interface, it does not ask the user
>> to provide identifiers like an author of a question would need to do in
>> PreTeXt. They are used as ids of the spans that are dragged and dropped so
>> they do need to be unique. I think you may already handle that with the
>> document-id + edition prefix to whatever the author chooses.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> Brad Miller
>> Professor Emeritus, Luther College
>> Founder, Runestone Academy LTD
>> Blog: http://reputablejournal.com
>>

>> Set up a time to meet <https://fantastical.app/bonelake-Gj2i/meet-with-
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Bradley Miller

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The markup for matching was #edge which didn’t make any sense for cardsort.

I think what I sent you is easy to read, but I can have my assistant refactor to whatever markup you want to manufacture for the manifest.

I don’t see any reason why I would ever go from JSON to XML. Its only XML to JSON so we do not cause your JSON allergy to flare up.

I think I like the idea of both feedback tags being present even if empty. (unless that breaks lots of XML rules)

Brad

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