Dear All,
Qur'aan says: 'Do not say anything without confirmation'
Let's investigate and for this purpose please visit Meerwala, the village of
Mukhtar Mai.
From 2004 to 2010, I visited Meerwala Tehsil Jatoi several times and spend a
number of days there. I met, interviewed, investigated and cross questioned a
number of people there after the decision of Anti Terrorist Court Dera Ghazi
Khan. Before this decision I knew a lot about this case but cannot write on the
issue became the case was under trial and keeping in view the professional
ethics I was bound.
For God sake please investigate, please investigate and please investigate,
please confirm the following facts:
1- In all the statements of Mukhtar Mai before the court and before police and
also in her statement of 164, PPC she not claimed that gang rape had been done
with her.
2- No example is present in the whole world that sperms/swabs can be present on
the outer side of the body after 10 days. But in this particular case in the
month of hot June can it be possible that during those 10 days she not used
water on any part of her body. There was no AC or chiller in Mukhtar Mai's house
because there was no electricity in that area then how it is possible that
during these 10 days no perspiring (Paseena) was came out from her body to
dissolve or remove the symptom of swabs.
3- During my professional career I had seen a number of rape cases as I had been
Resident Editor Khabrein Multan and Islamabad as well as Resider Editor Ausaf
Multan. In all the rape cases I have seen a number of cuts, scars of the forced
raped women. You all can see please, the medical report; no sign of cut even
scar were present on the body of Mukhtar Mai and in all statements in media she
quoted this medical report. Actually this report was made by police and
forcefully signed by lady doctor posted at Jatoi.
4- The brother of Mukhtar Mai Abdul Shakoor was not 12 years old, he was 19
years old and he was involved in ugly relation with Salma Mai sister of Abdul
Khaliq Mastoi and Abdul Shakoor is now 29 years old. According to Mukhtar Mai's
claim of sodomy with her brother Abdul Shakoor is just fake and nothing else.
Actually the family of Mukhtar Mai was more rich than Mastois even in 2002 when
the fake incident took place. Her father Ghulam Fareed Tatla had a tractor,
Timber Aara machine and was honor of small land. On the other side Mastoi was
landless and just 'Mazaras'. They cultivate crop on rental land not more than
there Acors. Salma Mai was in love with Abdul Shakoor and everyone of the area
well aware about this ill relation. Abdul Shakoor wanted to marry her but the
father of Abdul Shakoor was claiming a davery of 40000 which was not affordable
for poor Mastoi's.
5- No evidence in the favor of Mukhtar Mai was present on record from Mirwala
'her own village'.
6- No evidence of 'Punchayat' was found to all investigation agencies.
7- The only convicted Abdul Khaliq who is still behind the bars is not alleged
of the gang rape case.
8- In her all statements even in 164 before Magistrate Mukhtar Mai not even used
the world 'Panchayat' or 'Akhat' or rape with her brother or gang rape with
herself.
9- Even till today the father and mother of Mukhtar Mai cannot say this on oath.
10- Please go there, please meet the residents of Meerwala, and please call the
concerns in the mosque for oath. Please investigate please. It is the
responsibility of all patriot Pakistanis.
11- Here I want to ask a question to 'All these opportunity availed NGO's which
are claiming their love with Mukhtar Mai, crying and throwing elephant tears for
her'
If Mukhtar Mail would be the part of their family then what would be their
response?
(Gandgi aur Ghalazat Say Rizzq Kamanay Waloon ko ALLAH Hidayat Day)
I have a lot about this fake rape case and it is first episode.
Mian Ghaffar Ahmad
Dunya TV
Good work Mian saab. I totally agree.
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Mian sb Pls send these facts to those ngos who are playing game on this
issue. they want only foreign funds on this issue
Humayon Saleem
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Mian Sahib seems sexually and psychologically sick. No woman, particularly in
Muslim society would make such an allegation unless she faces the worst. It is
pathetic that instead of supporting her, some Pakistani journalists are trying
to prove her wrong trying to bail out the bloody rapists.
Bashir from Indian Kashmir
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As you say, Asma Jahangir is "a sick-minded, money-lover." So who is a "good-minded, money-lover?" Please share their names too. And what has mind got to do with money? Is it necessary to have sharp minds to get money? Many empty-skulls are stuffed with money. And Mian Ghaffar Saheb, wah, wah, wah, kamalaan kar dittian, karrakay kadh dittay tusaan tay. You should join the Scotland Yard as their Chief Investigator for Fake Gang-rapes.
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Anwar Sahib: Asma Jahangir has been called worse names and in Pakistan you can make any claim without a shred of evidence. We love dissidents like Noam Chomsky but hate them if they happen to be Pakistanis. You may call it a case of double standards but this is the truth.
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As you say, Asma Jahangir is "a sick-minded, money-lover." So who is a
"good-minded, money-lover?" Please share their names too.
And what has mind got to do with money? Is it necessary to have sharp minds to
get money? Many empty-skulls are stuffed with money.
And Mian Ghaffar Saheb, wah, wah, wah, kamalaan kar dittian, karrakay kadh
dittay tusaan tay. You should join the Scotland Yard as their Chief Investigator
for Fake Gang-rapes.
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To: pressp...@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 12:08 PM
Agreed... but Mian sb these sold people will always argue, if you got dollars
then u can make these women understand, women like Asima jahangir are sick
minded money lovers...
Jibran Shah
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And Mian Ghaffar Saheb, wah, wah, wah, kamalaan kar dittian, karrakay kadh dittay tusaan tay. You should join the Scotland Yard as their Chief Investigator for Fake Gang-rapes. |
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You are 100 per cent right Mian Ghaffar Ahmed. Once ex-President musharraf
also said that the case was fake.
I also watched the television program 'Kharri Baat Luqman kay saat\'. You and
Mukhtaran Mai were the guests, but when you started exposing all the facts, she
could not faced you and left the program without saying a single world in
response.
These were the so called human rights activists like Farzana Baari who
propegates these type of fake cases just for making millions of rupees and
dollars.
Israr Khan
Cell# +92 346 9322611
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As you say, Asma Jahangir is "a sick-minded, money-lover." So who is a
"good-minded, money-lover?" Please share their names too.
And what has mind got to do with money? Is it necessary to have sharp minds to
get money? Many empty-skulls are stuffed with money.
And Mian Ghaffar Saheb, wah, wah, wah, kamalaan kar dittian, karrakay kadh
dittay tusaan tay. You should join the Scotland Yard as their Chief Investigator
for Fake Gang-rapes.
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Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 12:08 PM
Agreed... but Mian sb these sold people will always argue, if you got dollars
then u can make these women understand, women like Asima jahangir are sick
minded money lovers...
Jibran Shah
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Subject: Re: Fake Case of Mukhtaran Mai
Good work Mian saab. I totally agree.
Sent from my HTC Android.
M Salman Farooque.
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On Apr 29, 2011 9:59 PM, "Mian Ghaffar Ahmad" <miang...@dunyatv.tv> wrote:
This story is fabricated by you Mr Abdul Ghaffar.
I suspect u have
received heavy amount for this. You can not disguise the masses as we
all know about it. What happens in the rural areas of Pakistan. People
of your type are always obstacles in the way of justice.
Dunya News
should expell you for this lied story.
Fasih Siddiqui
You don't have fear of God as well as you are senseless. Muhtara Mai
has shown courage to fight against those elements who treat women as
sex slaves.
You might be blind as you don't see these types of cruelty
in this country. Instead of fighting for the justice to the poor
people you yellow journalists try to malafy the victims. It looks you
people are the paid servants of feudals. Khuda tum logon ko sahee
rasta dikhai.
Fasih Siddiqui
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:53 PM, H-N-A(JHELUM) <irfa...@gmail.com> wrote:
اسلام علیکم ورحمتہ اللہ ورکاتہ
امید ہے تمام دوست احباب اللہ کے فضل وکرم سے ٹھیک ٹھاک ہوں گے
دوستو بات یہ ہے کہ یہ ایک بے تکی سے بحث شروع ہے۔ کچھ دوستو کی طرف سے۔۔۔اصل میں
حقیقت یہ ہے کہ مختاراں مائی یہ کیا۔اس کی حقیقت کیاہے۔۔ایک سریم کورٹ کی طرف سے
حکم آیاہے اور بڑے افسوس سے کہنا پڑتا ہے کہ ہماری نام نہاد انسانی حقوق کی تنظیمیں
جنہوں نے وویلا سے برپا کردیاہے۔۔۔حقیت یہ ہے کہ مختاراں مائی کیس میں اس وقت بھی
کچھ نہیں تھا،،اور اب بھی کچھ نہیں ہے۔۔سپریم کورٹ کا فیصلہ بالکل حقیقت پرمبنی
فیصلہ ہے۔۔۔
حقیقت میں عورت فاونڈیشن اور دیگر غیر ملکی امداد پرپلنے والی تنطیمون کا کاروبار
بند ہورہاہے۔۔مختاراں مائی کی صورت میں جو انکو ایک کمرشل ملا تھا۔۔۔ وہ دم توڑتا
جارہاہے۔۔۔۔۔۔
میری گذارش ہے ان تمام تنظیموں سے خدارا اس ملک پر رحم کریں اور اس کو مزید بدنام
نہ کریں۔۔صرف چند ٹکوں کی خاطر
مبشر لقمان ایک منجھے ہوئے صحافی اور اینکر ہیں اور وہ جس بھی ایشو پر پروگرام کرتے
ہیں بڑی تحقیق اور مضبوط دلائل کے ساتھ ہوتا ہے۔۔۔اس پر اس قسم کی بحث فضول ہے۔۔۔
اللہ آپ تمام دوستو کا حامی وناصر ہو۔۔آمین
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On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:24 PM, <naw...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mian sb,
you have alot of work on this but why now you are arguing so. Why not before?
Why all of a sudden a campaign now? I dont understand......
haq nawaz
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Dear fasih, would you please go through the documents which are now the part
of court decision. Have you ever gone there? Have you ever met Mastoies? If no
then please go there my dear. God bless you and Help you in making right, true
and independent decision. May you live long
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From: Fasih Siddiqui <fasi...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Fake Case of Mukhtaran Mai
This story is fabricated by you Mr Abdul Ghaffar.
I suspect u have
received heavy amount for this. You can not disguise the masses as we
all know about it. What happens in the rural areas of Pakistan. People
of your type are always obstacles in the way of justice.
Dunya News
should expell you for this lied story.
Fasih Siddiqui
I think Mian Ghaffar has a sick mind. He thinks if a women stands up to seek
justice she has some ulterior motives.
Do you think all NGO's are surviving on funds received because they stood by
Mukhtaran mai when she needed support.
Strange mindset.
Misogynist like Mian Ghaffar and Lucman should be banned from the media.
Uzma
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Amir A. Tayyab <aata...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Salam Mian Ghaffar Ahmed,
None of your statements can be relied upon until you present a written, verbal
or audio/video evidence. Hopefully in your next episode, we will actually see
the evidence supporting your statements. I was myself shocked seeing Mukhtara
Mai shaking hands with the French President in front of cameras and media in
Paris. Without the verdict or evidence, the way Mukhtaran Mai (alongwith the
NGO's) met with global leaders, media and what not, this shows a one-sided
hypocrisy and an act of treason against her own homeland. West took full
advantage of her situation and she allowed it all to happen. It is all beyond
comprehension that how the daughter of Eve can fake rape or sexual harassment.
Let's wait to see those poor ones who have been behind bars for last 10 years
take up their own legal position against her in front of the recently-liberated
Judiciary of Pakistan. You can't imprison a person until he/she is proven
guilty.
Pakistan is a confused nation of people divided between religion and secularism.
Millions of those who died thinking they were dying for the cause of Islam back
in 1947 and ever since then, seems to have little connection with the present
day Pakistan, its Government and the "elite" class. This country will definitely
set an example of the largest and the bloodiest revolution in the human history
very soon, thanks to all of the global powers pitted against the people of
Pakistan. We are not Arabs and we are not Indians. We are more like Aryans
(right in the midst of Indus Valley) where human civilization set its foots
first time. And whatever "civilization" is being imposed by the "elite" of
Pakistan via load shedding, suicide bombings and drone attacks, it will be very
soon a thing of a past. But all of us have to go through something very painful,
very strange and something un-heard of. I'm not having parrots around me,
sitting on some street telling the fortune of Pakistan for 10 Rupees. Just
research a bit about Zionism, Hindu mindset and the "Western" nukes.
You are waiting, I'm waiting, everyone is waiting for that "mega event" to
arrive! Insha Allah... Those who have thought of this world's life and its
luxuries as the "only" thing they'd ever care, it will hit straight into their
faces. Hatred needs to be buried forever and let the love win this war. There
are billions of us, and the spirit of peace will live through each and every
survivor of this Armageddon (the artificial one). The true Armageddon will not
happen until there will be 100% peace on earth. And someone coming out of the
Mosque on Friday prayers will request to have sex with a woman right in front of
everyone and while doing it, someone amongst them will request him to do it
behind some tree or so. And that person who'd "dare" to request him so, will be
the Umar (ra) and Abu Bakar (ra) of their own time.
Wassalam,
Amir A. Tayyab
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From: M Salman Farooque <rabdi...@googlemail.com>
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Sent: Fri, April 29, 2011 12:05:20 PM
Subject: Re: Fake Case of Mukhtaran Mai
Good work Mian saab. I totally agree.
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M Salman Farooque.
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Just take a look back and you see a smiling Mai going all around the world
telling people she was gang raped. Would she have the courage to tell the people
of this country how much money she has earned in grants and sympathy with her
World Tours?
She is nothing but an imposter who has tried to cash in on something terrible.
Would she please tell the world about her financial position before and after
the incident?
Would Ms. Mai please stand up and tell the world about how she has so easily
managed to malign Pakistan by telling the world that this is the worst place to
live in? Does anyone know the amount of money Mai has made in the last nine
years, can we have access to her tax returns?
Standing up for your rights is different and maligning your country for
financial gains is a different story. Ms. Mai we need to have a look at your
bank statement, your tax returns and your umpteen visas before we decide on how
badly you have been treated in this country which even after a terrible incident
has given you a lot - this is enough
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Why did the Supreme Court of Pakistan upheld Lahore High Court verdict and
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Thanks Sumera Ali, Abdul Khaliq has not been convicted on rape case. His
marriage with Mukhtar mai through SHARIE Nikah have been accepted by High and
Supreme Courts but court declared it bad intention of Abdul Khaliq so he was
given 25 years imprisonment. This Nikah was read by Molvi Abdul Razaq who gave
application against Mastois because they disobeyed the verbal agreement and not
married her sister with Abdul Shakoor brother of Mukhtar Mai. Please go through
the court decision and visit the area,
May you live long.
Regards,
Mian Ghaffar
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Mian Ghaffar Sahib..
Well done...
Keep up it up and expose more and more of this so-called rape case so people can
feel the difference between 2004 and 2011
Mohiuddin
Dunya TV
Well done Mian Sahib ...u did right on the right time ,really it is the time
to tell every body about this case which was become a high profile case defaming
Pakistan and community as well in the whole world. The case is very simple but
was made this complicated for western interests and it was miss-reported.
I am trying to publish the facts about this case.
Shaukat Ashfaq
Resident Editor
Daily Pakistan, Multan
Dear, Court have not punished Abdul Khaliq on rape case. High Court and then supreme courts have accepted the Sharie nikah of Mukhtar mai with him but considered it bad intention of Abdul Khaliq. This Nikah was read by Abdul Razzaq. According to that verbal agreement abdul Shakoor brother of Mukhtar Mai and Salma mai sister of abdul Khakiq would be married on 28 june but they betrayed and gave her nikah to some one else. Next day Molvi Razzaq said in Juma prayer that Gang rape occurred in meer wala and then illiterate Mukhtar mai was called Hafiz e Quran.
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Why did the Supreme Court of Pakistan upheld Lahore High Court verdict and
ordered to keep one of them behind the bars?
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On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:05 PM, M Salman Farooque <rabdi...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
RESPECTED ALL.
What said by Mian Ghafar is truth all. I have covered this case in supreme court
and before the court ahtzaz ahsan, the lawyer of mukhtar mai had no argument but
again again he was arguing of fir. because there was no evidence. Surely because
of this fake rape case the ngo,s just tried to create bad name for Pakistan only
for grants. These ngo,s hav no concern for Pakistan, Its our duty to save
Pakistan from such few foreign-funded ngos. Certainly they will make agitation
because when the truth came out their shops will be closed.
tariq ch
daily jang
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Subject: Fake Case of Mukhtaran Mai
From: miang...@dunyatv.tv
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:56:08 -0400
رپورٹ: علی عمران شاہین
Media Deptt
jamaat e islami pakistan
Mian Ghaffar Sahib
U made a good attempt to bring the true picture of the story before the masses.
Manzoor Qadir
Journalist
0333-43-98-178
If Mukhtara Mai is "lying" why should anyone believe you, a party that has
been pro-imperialist all along? Why should anyone believe what you are saying?
You should be ashamed of yourself of calling someone who has been struggling for
so many years a liar! You people have no other work but to target women of this
country. It is great how you expose yourself, your intentions and your hatred
towards women by writing these statements. No one believes you anyway, a party
that has always been ready to sell this country to Americans in the guise of
religion. You are the true slaves to imperialism, and not only that but how you
have sold Islam and moulded, maimed and twisted it for your own interests. True
pests and nuisance, your value is no more than that. Go sell what you have to
sell elsewhere and package it under some new name and brand. Hypocrites of the
worst kind. Stop sodomizing religion.
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Subject: Re: Fake Case of Mukhtaran Mai
To: pressp...@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 9:37 PM
Well Respected Fatima. Aslam o Alikum. Your command on english language
indicates that you are well educated and lot of sense. It is very good. Please
visit meer wala. Meet all the concerns but before going just read the decision
or just go through the statements of Mukhtar mai before the magistrate under
section 164.
You expressed your eager a lot with out knowing me but fortunately my education,
and training stops me to answer in such way.
God bless you
May you live long with respect, honour and dignity.
Regards
Mian Ghaffar
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Mian Ghaffar or Fatimah Ihsan: Can someone please explain what are we disputing here? The Supreme Court still acknowledges that Mukhtaraan Mai was raped, right? The dispute is that some of the earlier convicts may not have actually committed the act. But at least one person did rape her. So, being raped by one person is not a rape? Mukhtaraan Mail is still a victim, right? And how her decision to go public with her plight and use whatever means she could to seek justice defames Islam? Can we, for once, stop linking Islam to women? Why is that every time a woman moves, moans or sighs, it endangers Islam? And why are men free to boast about their victims – they be women or young boys – as war trophies? Why their acts are not a threat to Islam? |
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Sorry Mr Anwer, Would you please read the decision. No rape occurs. Marriage
took place there and Nikah Khawan was Molvi Abdul Razzaq. Court accepted this
marriage but consider it a bad intention of Abdul Khaliq because he betrayed
from the agreement and made the marriage of her sister salma with khalil Mastoi
on Thursday,27 June 2002. According to agreement the marriage of Salma was
scheduled to be done on Friday 28 june 2002.
More detail will soon Insha Allah.
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Mian Ghaffar or Fatimah Ihsan: Can someone please explain what are we disputing
here? The Supreme Court still acknowledges that Mukhtaraan Mai was raped, right?
The dispute is that some of the earlier convicts may not have actually committed
the act. But at least one person did rape her.
So, being raped by one person is not a rape? Mukhtaraan Mail is still a victim,
right?
And how her decision to go public with her plight and use whatever means she
could to seek justice defames Islam?
Can we, for once, stop linking Islam to women? Why is that every time a woman
moves, moans or sighs, it endangers Islam?
And why are men free to boast about their victims � they be women or young boys � as war trophies? Why their acts are not a threat to Islam?
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Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 4:17 PM
Well Respected Fatima. Aslam o Alikum. Your command on english language
indicates that you are well educated and lot of sense. It is very good. Please
visit meer wala. Meet all the concerns but before going just read the decision
or just go through the statements of Mukhtar mai before the magistrate under
section 164.
You expressed your eager a lot with out knowing me but fortunately my education,
and training stops me to answer in such way.
God bless you
May you live long with respect, honour and dignity.
Regards
Mian Ghaffar
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Sorry Mr Anwer, Would you please read the decision. No rape occurs. Marriage
took place there and Nikah Khawan was Molvi Abdul Razzaq. Court accepted this
marriage but consider it a bad intention of Abdul Khaliq because he betrayed
from the agreement and made the marriage of her sister salma with khalil Mastoi
on Thursday,27 June 2002. According to agreement the marriage of Salma was
scheduled to be done on Friday 28 june 2002.
More detail will soon Insha Allah.
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Mian Ghaffar or Fatimah Ihsan: Can someone please explain what are we disputing
here? The Supreme Court still acknowledges that Mukhtaraan Mai was raped, right?
The dispute is that some of the earlier convicts may not have actually committed
the act. But at least one person did rape her.
So, being raped by one person is not a rape? Mukhtaraan Mail is still a victim,
right?
And how her decision to go public with her plight and use whatever means she
could to seek justice defames Islam?
Can we, for once, stop linking Islam to women? Why is that every time a woman
moves, moans or sighs, it endangers Islam?
And why are men free to boast about their victims – they be women or young boys – as war trophies? Why their acts are not a threat to Islam?
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From: mian ghaffar <miang...@dunyatv.tv>
Subject: Re: Fake Case of Mukhtaran Mai
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Date: Saturday, April 30, 2011, 4:17 PM
Well Respected Fatima. Aslam o Alikum. Your command on english language
indicates that you are well educated and lot of sense. It is very good. Please
visit meer wala. Meet all the concerns but before going just read the decision
or just go through the statements of Mukhtar mai before the magistrate under
section 164.
You expressed your eager a lot with out knowing me but fortunately my education,
and training stops me to answer in such way.
God bless you
May you live long with respect, honour and dignity.
Regards
Mian Ghaffar
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If Mukhtara Mai is "lying" why should anyone believe you, a party that has been
pro-imperialist all along? Why should anyone believe what you are saying? You
should be ashamed of yourself of calling someone who has been struggling for so
many years a liar! You people have no other work but to target women of this
country. It is great how you expose yourself, your intentions and your hatred
towards women by writing these statements. No one believes you anyway, a party
that has always been ready to sell this country to Americans in the guise of
religion. You are the true slaves to imperialism, and not only that but how you
have sold Islam and moulded, maimed and twisted it for your own interests. True
pests and nuisance, your value is no more than that. Go sell what you have to
sell elsewhere and package it under some new name and brand. Hypocrites of the
worst kind. Stop sodomizing religion.
Interpretations tell more about the interpreter than they do about the subject. The "investigative report" I have just read reveals more about the mind sets of the people who have written it than about Mukhtaran Mai. She is and will continue to be seen (at least by the sane amongst us) as a woman of integrity.
Kiran Nazir
Excellence in Gender Studies, QAU
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Well Respected Fatima. Aslam o Alikum. Your command on english language
indicates that you are well educated and lot of sense. It is very good. Please
visit meer wala. Meet all the concerns but before going just read the decision
or just go through the statements of Mukhtar mai before the magistrate under
section 164.
You expressed your eager a lot with out knowing me but fortunately my education,
and training stops me to answer in such way.
God bless you
May you live long with respect, honour and dignity.
Regards
Mian Ghaffar
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Mukhtaran Mai: the other side of the story
Bronwyn Curran
Saturday, April 30, 2011
As the author of a 2006 book on the Mukhtaran Mai case and a former
Islamabad-based Western female news correspondent, I must raise a voice of
dissent amidst the shrill reaction to the Supreme Court�s acquittal of 13 of 14
men accused in Mukhtaran Mai�s case.
In 2005-2006, after many months painstakingly poring through every police
statement, medical record, witness testimony, and cross-examination transcript
in this case, coupled with multiple visits to Mirwala, Jatoi and Dera Ghazi Khan
for extensive interviews with members of both sides of this case, I reached the
same conclusion as the Supreme Court has in 2011. The Lahore High Court reached
the same conclusion in 2005. Indeed, I would challenge anyone who has the
opportunity to pore through all such records and interview members and
associates of all sides in this case to come up with any conclusion other than
that 13 of the 14 accused are innocent.
May I stress that fundamental to that conclusion (shared by myself, the Supreme
Court and the Lahore High Court) is that Ms Mai is indeed a victim of a heinous
crime. The question is: of what? The Supreme Court and Lahore High Court find
that Ms Mai is a victim of rape, hence their maintenance of Abdul Khaliq�s
conviction for rape.
It is my belief that Ms Mai is a victim of two heinous crimes here. One is
sexual assault: the kind of sexual assault experienced by women forced to marry
against their will, and by women handed over by their men folk as compensatory
chattel to settle a feud.
Which leads me to what I believe is the paramount crime here: Vani. Under
current laws, Ms Mai�s men folk would be convicted for handing her over to the
Mastoi family to atone for her teenage brother�s alleged misbehaviour with a
teenage Mastoi girl. The tradition of handing women over to atone for their male
relatives� wrongdoing, known also as Swara, was outlawed by the Pakistan
government in January 2005.
The police and court records shows that both the prosecution and the Mastoi
family agree that it was Ms Mai�s men folk who presented her to the Mastoi
family after many hours negotiating, via a local cleric, to resolve a feud. The
feud had erupted earlier that day when Mukhtaran�s brother Shakoor was seen with
the Mastoi girl Salma in the sugarcane field between the two families� homes.
The prosecution�s version of what happened next is well-known. There is also a
little-credited defence version; the other side of the story. For what it�s
worth, the defence version fits the pattern of many a feud and its resolution in
rural Punjab and Sindh: to settle the feud, the perpetrator�s family hands over
a female to the victim�s family to be married off to one of their men.
I have met the women of the Mastoi family and heard their vivid accounts of what
happened that night. They showed me the shoddy room in their home where, they
say, they saw Abdul Khaliq bring Mukhtaran Mai to spend the night with him after
a �sharai nikah�, an on-the-spot marriage without a certificate. For what it�s
worth, they recall Ms Mai being thrown out one or more days later and sent back
to her family, in a state of disgrace.
What happened to Ms Mai was outrageous, unsolicited, and must be punished. But
the evidence, cross-referenced with my own protracted field research and
interviews, suggests that what happened is considerably different from what is
alleged by the prosecution.
I would beseech anyone who is concerned with justice and human rights to examine
this case in real detail, retrace its genesis and comb through the records, and
ask themselves whether a dangerous miscarriage of justice lies beneath the
famous Mukhtaran Mai story.
I urge the detractors of the Supreme Court�s brave decision to objectively
examine whether the 13 acquitted men, who have each spent between six and nine
years in jail despite earlier acquittals, have been wrongly accused and
imprisoned.
Perhaps the most obvious wrongful imprisonment is of the eight men accused of
being part of an alleged panchayat. These men, who lived 3.5 hours travel from
Ms Mai�s village on the other side of the Indus, were acquitted in the original
2002 trial for want of evidence. It is worth reading what the original trial
judge had to say about how those men came to be arrested and why he released
them without charge. This is the same judge who convicted four others of
gang-rape and two of aiding and abetment. Astonishingly, these eight acquitted
men were re-arrested two and a half years later in reaction to the storms of
outrage that followed the Lahore High Court�s 2005 acquittal of five out of six
convicted men. They have been in jail for the six years since 2005, without
charge. Where are the human rights advocates standing up for them?
Apart from a wealth of inconsistencies in statements to police and witness
testimonies, the paucity of evidence affects many celebrated aspects of the
prosecution story. The allegation that Shakoor was molested by three Mastoi
males is pure fabrication and easily revealed as such on any study of the case.
The claim of Ms Mai being paraded naked before hordes of people was thrown out
in the original 2002 trial, yet nevertheless has embedded itself in many re-tellings
by media and rights groups. The presentation of the Mastoi tribe as wealthier
and more powerful than Ms Mai�s clan was discounted in the original 2002 trial,
when police admitted under cross-examination that Ms Mai�s family owned more
land and had more powerful connections than the Mastoi family, well before this
story began.
It is also my belief that Ms Mai is a victim of characters around her who have
used her, her family, the local police and courts for their own purposes. Talk
to any lawyer in southern Punjab and they will tell you how often false cases
are filed between enemies. It�s my belief that Ms Mai was shamefully taken
advantage of and had little control over events once the charges, filed not by
her or her family but by two unrelated men, went public.
The charge of gang-rape was brought to the police by the cleric Abdul Razzaq and
a local journalist-cum-rights monitor who had heard rumours after Razzaq made
claims in a Friday sermon. Ms Mai was not involved in the lodging of charges.
Some hours later, she was hauled into the police station unceremoniously in the
back of a police truck. There she found a statement already written by the
cleric in her name. She was told to attest it with a thumbprint. As is
well-known, at that time she could neither read the statement, nor write her
name. How was she to know what she was attesting with her thumb?
The next day the charge was in a local newspaper, the following day in national
and international press, and just three days later Ms Mai had a cheque for
500,000 rupees in her hand from President Pervez Musharraf. No investigation had
taken place, and Ms Mai was already both an international heroine and wealthier
than any illiterate villager from a wretched Indus backwater could have ever
dreamed.
The writer is a former AFP news editor
TheNews Link :
http://thenews.com.pk/TodaysPrintDetail.aspx?IDD406&Cat9&dt4%2F30%2F2011
With all due respect, if one Mukhtara Mai lies but gives hundreds of brave ,
genuinely raped women the himmat to report the crime then , I am all for MM's
small lie . This is a woman who still lives in one room off her school which she
set up wtih the money she received - She has not moved to Karachi or Lahore and
started living in Defence or Gulberg.
She can get a lot of favour and money only living in Meer wala. She and her
brother is a symbol of terror there. Mastoi can not use the road in front of
mai,s home. Mastoi children can not read in the school of Mai. Three rape
incident were made by Mai,s brother Hazoor Buksh but no FIR. Two cases of the
theft of electricity but no action took place.
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What a language Ms Fatimah has used. Mashaullah.
that's why i say we, the so-called liberals and religious people, have no nerve to listen to other's point of view. we think whatever we say is Nauzbillah Wahi, and must be accepted blindly by others.
I once again repeat that instead of "exposing" each others' dignity, committment and patriotism here, pls pls pls pls, accept the court's judgment and if not then there is a way to go in review. there is no other way to resolve this issue.
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Mian sahib are you saying that Mukhtaran mai was not raped at all. For then SCP
has made a big blunder, as it has convicted one to life imprisonment on the
count of rape. Now the question is that was she raped once, twice, thrice or
four times or not at all. To most normal people, being raped once is
nightmarishly enough. Please for goodness sake do not make this matter even more
controversial then it has already become.
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She can get a lot of favour and money only living in Meer wala. She and her
brother is a symbol of terror there. Mastoi can not use the road in front of
mai,s home. Mastoi children can not read in the school of Mai. Three rape
incident were made by Mai,s brother Hazoor Buksh but no FIR. Two cases of the
theft of electricity but no action took place.
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Asma Jahangir has not spoken against the verdict. So has done Justice
(retired) Tariq Mahmood, Aitzaz Ahsan, Ali Ahmed Kurd and all
outstanding lawyers. No one can raise fingers on the competence and
integrity high and supreme courts.
Moral of the story is:
Civil society, suo-motu driven judges, media and rights campaigners
cannot prove a false accuser a ganagrape victim.
Mukhtaran Mai has earned millions, fame, connections in the world and
a powerful husband while her so-called tormentors have suffered nine
years in jail.
Now, the matter should be closed.
Ahsan