Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

[sudipto chatterjee]

Hi All,

First of all my apology for being absent since long in the entire issue due to some personal problem. However I have been following each and every development in the entire EDC issue. My sincere thanks to all members of the core group for taking the problem on behalf of each member of PRANAYAM.

 

However suddenly I can some exchange of mails on some small issues and we are hereby drifting for the real bone of contention. I would like to pin point any particular individual as this entire problem is affecting all members of PRANAYAM. I am penning down my own POV on the entire issue and just request every one to ponder upon the same

 

1. I think our utmost emphasis to given on the earliest possession although I appreciate the effort is made to sort out the other issues like EDC and Licencing part. But we must understand that we have already paid 95% of the total cost which is nothing less than 4.8-5 Mn which by any means is a huge money for any middle class family. Now if we keep trying to address the other problems (which is genuine as well) and in that process give chance to PCL to make us responsible for delayed possession it would only help the builders.
2. In the current situation most of us are incurring the cost of rent which is nothing less than 17-18K and also the EMI which is also around 35-40K totaling up to appx 55-60K. Now if we keep fighting against the builder and not come to a solution which allow us to take possession earliest we will keep incurring above the cost for an infinite time which actually at the end will cost us more what we might save by not paying the enhance EDC (which is coming out to be Rs20/sqft as calculated by the core group) right now. Actually this will give builder to buy time and play the delay tactic.
3. In India we all know any legal battle (say we go that way right a way) not gonna give solution in a flash and we don't know how long its gonna take.So in legal battle court might ask for a stay order as we ourselves questioning the licence issue and by that way we are just might devalued the BRAND value of PRANAYAM and hence we might not be able sale off our property if we want.

All I want to say is lets us try to get the possession first get our property registered and keep fighting as this gonna be a long fought battle. But if we have our property in our hand and registered we can fight it much harder.All we need to do at that time to prove we were cheated and fraud is committed.So at that time even if the battle has to fought for 10 years we can pursue that without compromising our own financial impact and by God's willing we will win it and get the penalty from PCL.

 

Hence my request all the members to try for earliest possession and take route to solution for the same. And also we must remember we are gonna live in PRANAYAM as a family and hence request all to refrain from writing any mails which seeds the element of rift among us.

 

 

All the best

Warm Regards

Sudipto Chatterjee

9650590816

 

 

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Asim Chowdhury <asim.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:

Rattan,

What you call a point by point response is again an attempt to mislead residents. For a moment I thought I was conversing with Puri's PRO. The tone of your email was surely not acceptable and hence my response. It leveled a couple of allegations (about your mail ID) and also sought to portray the impression that possession is being deliberately delayed because of the core group’s action. Here is a brief response to the points, following which, I hope, you will desist from further discussion on these issues.

1. I am attaching the license document for all to see. Serial No. 367 lists some area in sector 82 and 85 as PLOTTED. Therefore, we as residents need more clarification. It is surprising that you moved with the assumption that whatever Puri is saying is correct when there is information in this document that is compelling me to question the license. Without access to a copy of the official license I have no reason to assume that what PCL is saying is right or wrong. I should at best be critical. I hope you got my point. Also the long history of countrywide developer’s license in sectors that are not related to us is irrelevant here. Let the residents go through the license document and draw their own conclusions.
2. Appreciate your unconvincing ‘gyan’ on management. The core group will take up issues as and when it deems fit. Individuals can only suggest.
3. What you call as your 'genuine' concern is surely not the concern of all residents. Further, the core group consists of some of the finest professionals in their respective fields and surely do not need to concern themselves on whether they are praised or not. Such expectations are best left to the wannabes.
4. The fact that the trust of residents has been compromised by a few on the increased area discussion is a fact. Many residents, who attended the last meeting at IHC, had shared this opinion with me.
5. Discussing on issues such as litigation etc. should not be done on the fly (Thankfully, you agreed on this).
6. Any discussion on meetings with government officials should be addressed to GFWA. The core group is not authorized to speak on behalf of the GFWA.
   

Finally, let this be an end to this discussion that began with your mail. At the end of the day individual residents will do what they feel is right and so there is no reason why they should be presented with such unwanted discourse. Let us keep our opinions to ourselves and do what we feel is right. Only time will tell who was right.

Tnx,

AC

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:41 AM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:

Hi Asim,

 

Thanks for your email.  My responses are given below, point by point.  Please take the pain of going through my detailed responses, which I hope are able to dispel the misrepresentation of facts.

 

Going through your email and what you refer to as “facts”, the painful ignorance is ever so revealing.  The various terms used, parochial, cognitive dissonance, accused of creating unwanted tensions, putting words in others mouths, whimsical opinion, etc are only profoundly misplaced.  

 

To all fellow members, let me again clarify that I am not against the group, or any of its actions, or any of the members.  Sometimes, a critical opinion is a better opinion, and one must learn to take such opinions in stride, no matter how contrary they may appear to be to the populist stance.

 

With all due respect to all members, I have only chosen to express a different path for issue resolution.  I fail to understand the state of mind which considers the path suggested to be against any one particular member.  However if anyone still feels so, I personally appeal to ignore my suggestion.

 

Best Regards,

 

Rattan N Whig

Email: ratta...@wipro.com

Mobile: +91-9811210342

 

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Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

 

Hi Rattan,

I appreciate your letter addressed to Papiya on the issue and would like to revert to this since I am an active member in the core group now. Many of the issue raised by you contained incomplete information, which I would like to clarify, since I have more comprehensive and accurate information on these.

I fortunately am trained in several subjects of human endeavour and one of these is psycholinguistics. I was surprised to find that your email began with an accusatory tone which reflects a grave condition called cognitive dissonance. As residents we all are standing for a common cause and hence such language is not warranted. If I benefit from something you and all other residents also get automatically benefitted.  Lets dwell on this for a minute.  Cognitive dissonance, wow, now even I didn’t think of that one.  For people not familiar with the term, cognitive dissonance very simply, is the bridge built between reality & beliefs, often to justify one’s already held beliefs in light of real events / evidence.  An example can be smoking, where smokers are familiar with the harmful effects yet tend to justify smoking by denying the evidence linking smoking to health disorders, or the scope of impact, or plainly other causes of death, fate etc.  I do not understand the relevance of using this term here.  If that’s only for imposing your superiority as a subject matter expert, you have my vote J.  On the more serious matter of examining my psychology or state of mind, let me just say, I am not impressed by your “below the belt” attempt, let’s just leave it at that for the sake of courtesy (you do understand that term, I hope).  I fail to understand what part of my email offended you / anyone else?  None of the contents of my email did ever try to discredit or blame anyone in any manner.  Yes, the email is addressed to all members as all members have the right to listen to all opinions, unless you want to restrict that right and make it only a prohibitive one way communication structure.

For your information, all mails sent by the core group is marked to the mailing list and also sent to pranayam...@googlegroups.com just in case we miss out on someone’s ID. All you need to do is to be in this Google group.  Papia explained this by replying to me email yesterday and I get the point.

I am writing this mail to you since the mail was marked to all of us to give you a point-by-point clarification on the issue, although this may entail referring back to certain past developments. Please do not take these personally.  Despite the desperate personal attacks, let’s get to the points. 

1. For your information I am an active member of Pranayam and I was also present in the GFWA protest rally. I saw that you were present in the rally. However, towards the end, when we were wrapping up the meeting with the government officials it was only me and Mr Bidyutt were the only two people from Pranayam who participated in the informal discussions with the DC’s representative.  The GFWA members/records will very well reveal this.  Did I ever state that I attended the protest march rally from end to finish?  Or, is it even pertinent?  I was there to express my solidarity for the cause, however I chose not to walk on the streets and went back to attend to other pressing commitments.  
2. Paying under protest is not a feasible option because once you pay there is no way we can get back the EDC amount (because of the complex EDC calculation). Perhaps this is the reason why thousands of residents from all projects in Neherpar have not yet paid the enhanced EDC. The GFWA stands testimony to this. In the meeting between DT&CP and GFWA in Chandigarh this month, where I was also present, the DG of DT&CP categorically agreed (in front of more than 12 members) that we should ask the builder to give us a detailed calculation of the EDC. In the case of Pranayam we have a further set of complications such as we do not have any official clarity on the license. You may recall the last meeting between core committee members and PCL management where PCL could not produce a copy of their license in their name and agreed to write to DT&CP to provide them the same. We have not yet received any information from PCL about the response received on the subject from DT&CP. Moreover, the list of licenses provided in the website http://tcpharyana.gov.in points that the license for the Pranayam project has been issued for PLOTTED DEVELOPMENT. Now, do you think it is wise to pay PCL the enhanced EDC without any clarity on the license, its type, and a detailed EDC breakup? What about thousands of residents of other developers who, despite having absolute clarity about their license, have not paid yet?  Your discussion on the EDC, therefore, is parochial and does not address the holistic concerns I have listed here.  This is perhaps the most important point in your communication.  Let me address this through facts and not opinion alone, which shall decide whose point is parochial.  Puri Pranayam website lists the address of the project as Sector 82 & 85.  Apparently this project land and the license for development is listed in the name of Countrywide Promoters Pvt Ltd, a fact that has been accepted by PCL.  Using the same link as provided by you above, the website of Department of Country & Town planning – Haryana provides details of all the various licenses issued to various developers.  This list can be accessed by accessing the “license” link on the right side of the home page.  This link opens a copy of scanned pdf document with details of license holders.  Please turn to page no. 26 of the list, Serial No. 572, plot measuring 2.5 acres in Sector 82 is listed in the name of Countrywide Developers Pvt Ltd for “GH” and not plotted development as claimed by you.  On the same page, Serial No. 573, plot measuring 13.19 acres in Sector 77 is listed in the name of Countrywide Developers Pvt Ltd for “GH” development.  Further Page no. 27 Serial No. 581 plot measuring 2.89 acres in Sector 76, page no. 43, Serial No. 961 & 962 plot measuring 16.02 & 10 acres respectively in Sector 84, Page no. 46 Serial No. 1026 plot measuring 14 acres in Sector 81, are all listed in the name of Countrywide Developers Pvt Ltd for “GH” development.  There are numerous other plots located in the Sectors of Faridabad adjoining sector 80 which are listed in the name of Countrywide Developers Pvt Ltd for “GH” development.  At best, any one can say that there is ambiguity with regards to Sector 85 listed as address on the Puri Pranayam website which can be clarified from PCL.  Still want to talk about holistic nature of facts, stated by you? 
3. Your anxiety about possession is understandable. All of us are concerned about it. But possession is not something that can be forced. Possession is subject to the completion of several things such as completion of EWS flats, STP plants, etc. The EWS flats are far from being complete (only roofs are laid) and will take atleast a year to complete. Further, the STP plant, I was informed by a PCL staff, will take many more months. Under these conditions how do you think we can force PCL to give possession to us? I hope you can suggest the core group a way out.  Is it my anxiety alone or the anxiety of multitude of other flat buyers like me?  Possession is not something that can be forced, absolutely right.  So does that mean that we pile another issue on the top of handful of issues that we have to deal with?  Any sensible person will realize that you cannot tackle all problems at once.  In fact, all the management principles, deployed in daily life, at work or at home, in dealing with any set of problems teach only one thing, that to isolate the various issues and tackle one problem at a time in a methodical manner.  The idea is that this approach is much faster and more effective than dealing with problems all at one time.  This has been the underlying meaning in my previous as well as earlier communications.
4. The core group which acts on behalf of the collective cause of Pranayam residents, let me assure you, is a very sensible group that functions in a transparent manner. So much so that we constantly invite everyone to come forward and help us in whatever way they can. It is not a closed group with fixed boundaries; nor is anyone’s position supreme. We have never taken decisions on the fly that are arbitrary and one-sided. This is unlike the past where in some instances a few had taken decisions on behalf of Pranayam residents without consulting a larger group of residents. I would like to elaborate one such incident, which most residents have opined, is not acceptable to them. (I am elaborating this in the next point).  Where have I stated anything to the contrary?  In all my emails, it’s been a constant point that my endeavor is not to question the core group / it’s actions.   However by the language and tone of your email, it certainly appears that you are greatly irked at the nature of genuine concerns raised by someone who has chosen to differ and not joined chorus with others in singing praises for the core group.
5. Records available with the team show that you along with Pawan, Ramneek, Balvinder, & Pankaj had met PCL management and agreed on the increased area. A majority of residents are now collectively voicing their concern that this increase in area is irrational. Although I was not part of these discussions with PCL I have access to records of this meeting. Now, even if I were to apply the most fundament principles of ‘construction logic’ the question that arises is whether it is possible for the developer to start a construction and suddenly realize after completing the tower that there is an increase in area. Personally, I haven’t ever come across such absurdity ever in my life.  I am perplexed how shall I answer this.  Just because one hasn’t experienced an event / logic, does that mean the existence of such logic / event is deniable?   What you call absurdity is common place practice in real estate market, you may verify this through property experts / legal experts.  When we started the group against increase in saleable area as claimed by PCL we invited members to come forward and discuss the issue before taking the matter back to PCL.  There were multiple meetings organized spread over various months.  I distinctly remember Papia & Bidyut attending at least one such meeting organized at India Habitat Center.  We drafted common letters that all members can send individually apart from a letter for joint representation which was signed by all the members present.  We even took legal opinions on the subject through an expert working for a government body.  Only post all this, did we take the matter back to PCL armed with all the facts.  The minutes of the meeting including the outcome was circulated to all the members participating in the protest at the time and we never did agree on behalf of any member for the payment of additional area, each member still had the right to protest or not pay at their own accord.  Right from the start till the matter was taken to its conclusion, we met at least 8 – 10 times, at different venues and at different times.  There were other members as well who chose to pursue this matter in an individual manner and seek a resolution from PCL, and some of those members were extremely successful in getting so as well.
6. I could not understand why you raked up the issue of litigation in your mail when I cannot recall a single instance when the core group has discussed or for that matter even thought on these lines. Talking of litigation on the fly is unwarranted, particularly when no one is discussing or considering this. I failed to understand why this new seed is being planted in everyone’s mind all of a sudden. I hope you will desist from raking up such issues thoughtlessly, which I feel is akin to putting words in the mouths of others.  The term litigation is loosely used and I do regret any particular inferences drawn from the same.  The intent, I must once again state is not the provoke / instigate any  reaction but the divert the attention to the most important single goal of possession.  To say that this is planting a seed, or putting words in the mouths of others is completely baseless as we are all prudent enough to understand the consequences of civil litigations.
7. You have questioned the veracity of verbal statements made by the government officials. What you have not realized is that these statements were made in front of more than 15 representatives of GFWA which consists of residents from all developers in Neherpar. Everything talked and discussed has been recorded in one form or other and GFWA has the records which it cannot hand over to everyone and anyone. The discussions with the government officials have been very encouraging and I see no reason why we should start doubting these government officials. When discussing on a sensitive subject like this it is wise to be patient and composed and one should not negate things on the fly. I think you can get an appropriate response on the subject if you approach GFWA directly. Alternately, I request you to be part of the team when the GFWA goes to meet government officials in Chandigarh next. Perhaps you will be able to gather a better perspective which you can share with the group here. Whimsical statements about events/discussions etc. without learning about the complete picture creates unwanted tension for group members and should be avoided. To give you an idea of the profile of people leading the discussions with the government I would like to mention that one of the advisors of GFWA is the retired CMD of a Power Corporation.  I completely counter you and disagree on this point.  What you call whimsical is in fact a studied opinion.  Please go through the details & newspaper reports of all the various promises / assurances / commitments given by senior government officials to farmers in Noida extn cases.  These very high ranking officials were transferred in quick succession by the state government which left the farmers & property buyers equally confused, with no real outcome beneficial to any group.  What has happened in Noida extn and later spread to Gurgaon, I even dread to think, can happen anywhere.  Why should we believe certain government official/s, whose allegiance & interests cannot be ascertained?  Shall we not rather direct all our queries / concerns / grievances to only one party who can solve those, being the builder firm?  Why shall we hesitate to meet them again and again and rather not settle at only 1 – 2 meetings that were unfavorable to our interests?
8. The fact that discussions and patience can yield great results will be evident to you once you come to know what benefits the efforts of GFWA has gathered for all Neherpar residents from the Haryana government. What you are questioning Papiya here should be directed to the GFWA, provided you have time.  I will be glad to do so, and do need more time to do so.  In directing my concerns to Papia / Bidyut, I approached only the people from whom we are receiving the details.
9. In the last paragraph of your email, you made a passing remark (or should I say advice) that ‘collective benefits’ should be taken up first and ‘individual benefits’ should not be given priority. Can you be a little more specific as to how and when did you draw the conclusion that there was any talk of ‘individual benefits’ here? Is EDC, license, poor construction or delayed construction an individual issue? When you are writing a letter to Papiya you are addressing her not as an individual but as a core group member, of which many of us are a part. Further, your last line advises the core group to take a ‘collective decision’ implying that such ‘collective decision’ is not being taken now. May I know what and how did you conclude this? Any communication on such sensitive issues should not contain frivolous phrases/sentences/opinions without presenting the complete picture to residents.  Collective decision making is a constructive process.  The fact that few other members have also expressed solidarity with the unconditional priority for possession cause is enough fact to understand that there is no clear unanimity on this subject.  Yet, I am not in favor of going against each other.  Going by your statements, I can only infer one thing, that individual credit is so important to you that you have failed to notice that you are destroying the very fabric of trust on which the core group functions.  

Finally, to conclude, I feel that we should desist from writing such opinionated mails to anyone. Everything being discussed in this group relates to a common cause and so there is no reason why we should not present facts as they are by covering all aspects of an issue. Discussing this issue superficially perhaps is not a good thing to do when so many people of GFWA are engaged in discussing with the government.  Going through the above explanations, in your learned opinion whose email is more opinionated?  What you have expressed on multiple occasions is only limited your own superficial understanding of facts.  I hate to do this, but since you have taken this to a new low, I was left with no option.

The very fact why I replied to you today was because your mail tends to undermine my efforts as well where I had left aside my personal concerns and visited Chandigarh with the GFWA and also participated in many such initiatives without thinking about my personal concerns even for a moment. Next time when you write such mails related to the residents, you should desist from using such obnoxious and opinionated language for it undermines the effort of all of us.  Your efforts, or for that matter efforts by anyone else, are not being undermined.   In fact that’s the last thing anyone in their sensible mind will do.  To say that I have the influence to undermine your efforts and create thoughts in the minds of so many members, is placing me at an unusually high position of power of influence over others.  You of all people being a psychological expert should understand this very well.  That position is not mine to claim.  To say that I have done so is gross misrepresentation of facts, and I insist that you yourself desist from making such frivolous remarks in the future.

Thnx,

Asim Chowdhury
 

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:12 PM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:

Sending this email again from different ID as most of the people have not received the original email sent from gmail

 

Best Regards,

 

Rattan N Whig

Email: ratta...@wipro.com

Mobile: +91-9811210342

 

 

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From: rattan whig <ratta...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:28 PM
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To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>

Sending this email again as many people did not recieve it the first time.

 

Best Regards,

 

 

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Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:40 AM
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To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>

Hi Papia,

 

I was not marked on the original email sent by you & got this through another member.  As in my previous emails, I have few points which have not been considered / clarified enough, and which in my opinion deserve adequate attention.

 

At the onset to prevent any misunderstanding like earlier, let me clarify, a) that I am writing this email in my individual capacity and not as representative of any group, b) that my sole intent is timely possession of the flat, and c) that I am not against any one or any action proposed by any one, till the time that the said action or person goes against the purpose of securing timely possession of the units.

 

First, I will like to make it a point that I am not copied on any of your emails.  I attended one of the first meetings on this subject held in India Habitat Center and was present with Bidyut at the Faridabad protest march and I requested to be included in your emails whenever we met in any such forums.  I understand that this is your prerogative and you can decide who should be included, hence can only request to keep me involved, or at least informed.  As a flat owner I guess I have an interest in your pursuit of this collective cause.  In case you opine otherwise, its fine as well. 

 

Now coming to the main points raised in your email below.  I have always maintained and still do feel that the best course is to pay the EDC demand and later decide on the legal intricacies.  This may seem bewildering to a few, let me explain why it’s not.

 

First, we shall of course pay the demand under protest.  Second, we can pay the demand in different ways, either as one consolidated payment in the manner it has been demanded, or segregated as two different payments, for “Interest” and “Principal”, which break up we can always ask PCL to provide us.  This will also settle one of our main contentions regarding the breakup of the demand raised by PCL for enhanced EDC payment.  We may suggest that the demand for “principal” component of EDC be paid up front, while payment demand for “interest” component can be kept in abeyance or through post dated cheque, pending the decision by government / regulators as indicated in your email below.

 

Third, perhaps most significantly, we must note that protest is not a viable option for many members.  People who continue to stay on rent realize the pinch each month.  This can be avoided by gaining timely possession.  The debatable amount of EDC erroneously calculated by the builder is evidently offset against the additional rent being paid and to be paid in the coming months, which can be avoided in case completion certificate is delayed by the government / regulators on grounds of EDC payment not being cleared by the builder.  Now, whether the balance outstanding on EDC payment is on account of current increment in EDC rates or previous EDC demands raised on the builder and not met, is really a non issue.  Back of the envelope calculation tell that even in case 50% of the total EDC demand is erroneous, the same is less than 6 months’ rent paid out by one.

 

Litigation as an option to resolve any dispute is not really an option that we should consider.  While there are strong examples like the recent DLF Belair apartment case, which sound and look great, through careful introspection one cannot help but notice that the judgment has not alleviated the condition of apartment owners.  How much portion out of the total fine levied on the builder has been apportioned among the apartment buyers?  Has the judgment, which is under appeal, stopped DLF or any other builder from using incomprehensible language in the agreements with individual purchasers?   

 

Fourth, during the multiple meetings with DGT&CP, auditing of builders’ records, etc, out of the numerous encouraging statements mentioned in the email below, has anything been undertaken in writing by any government body?  If yes, then what’s the sanctity of such documents and is it binding on the builder?  If no, then shall we even consider those verbal statements which can easily change within minutes due to various external factors including but not limited to transfer of officials (case in point, Noida authority chairman was changed 4 times within one month)?  

 

I believe we must answer these & other questions before proceeding.

 

On the other points regarding PCL not meeting desired standards or defaulting from its commitment, the best way & perhaps only way forward is through dialog.  I am not a diplomat, neither am I averse to taking risks, however before taking any recourse one must weigh the pros and cons, sort of do a cost benefit analysis.  In this case, if one looks objectively, cost is significantly higher than the benefits one hopes to realize.  I must stress any benefits that are being proposed must be classified as tangible & intangible.  Intangible benefits that don’t translate in to any real outcome must be ignored.  We must keep our individual egos aside, sort of leave emotions at the door, as these will only jeopardize the entire future. 

 

I have not paid the EDC demand currently & shall only do so with the group.  It’s not my intention to cause a rift within the group, only to ensure that collective benefits are realized first and any individual benefits don’t take priority.  My humble opinion as mentioned above, lets take a wise collective decision and avoid any dispute at this stage.

 

 

Best Regards,

 

Rattan N Whig

Email: ratta...@wipro.com

Mobile: +91-9811210342

 

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'BRAVO'

I totally support the decision taken in the meeting and would like to join the association immediately on its formation.

kind regards,

Ravi

 On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All 

 

Here's the Minutes of the Meeting held on January 26, 2012:

 

I.        DISCUSSION ON ADDITIONAL PAYMENT ON ACCOUNT OF ENHANCED EDC

 

Recap

 

The meeting started with recap of the earlier events:

•  In late September 2011 PCL issued demand notice for additional EDC;
• We met on the 16th of October, 2011 and unanimously agreed to ask PCL to provide us a copy of the demand raised by the DGT&CP including calculations of additional EDC, details of EDC paid,etc. 
• We sent individual letters and submitted a group memorandum to PCL
• PCL did not provide us full information. they only provided us calculation on EDC and calculation of additional amount payable on account of enhanced EDC on plain A4 sheets of paper but neither did they sent to us either the demand notice received from DGT&CP nor, did they furnish the date-wise duly audited details of EDC paid  
• We again sent intimation individually and group representation asking PCL to provide the said documents on their letterhead duly signed by a senior managerial person
• PCL sent us signed copy of detailed EDC calculation, signed copy of additional EDC calculation but did not send us the audited copy of EDC paid disclosing dates on which EDC paid, etc. 
• We got the DGT&CP's computation of additional amount on account of enhanced EDC in case of OMAXE project.
• We met PCL team which included Mr.Arjun Puri. PCL team claimed that they have not received any demand / computation from DGT&CP except that they dug out the one-page demand notice (only the covering letter) from Countrywide Promoters office. He mentioned that he'll write to DGT&CP requesting them to send the demand raised in PCL's name and also request them to waive the interest on enhanced EDC upto the date of receipt of the revised demand letter . This apart, the PCL team could not show us sufficient evidence to satisfy our queries. (please refer MOM of the PCL meeting circulated earlier)
• Mr.Arjun Puri called up one of the members to inform that PCL has sent the letter to DGT&CP and has an acknowledgement from DGT&CP in record.
• As agreed during the meeting with PCL, the core group finalized the MOM of their meeting with PCL and sent it to Arjun Puri to sign. Arjun Puri refused saying that he did not agree with the MOM
• Core group requested PCL/ Kaushik Sengupta to provide computation of interest on Enhanced EDC. Inspite of several reminders the same  has not been provided till date by PCL.
• Mohinder Puri wrote a letter to some apartment buyers asking them to pay-up the enhanced EDC demand failing which inspection of apartment will not be allowed.

Meetings With DGT&CP Officials

 

The core group has been closely interacting with the GFWA. A contingent of representatives from various GHS of the Neharpar Area, Faridabad (including member from Pranayam group) met the DGT&CP and apprised him of the plight and ordeal the apartment buyers were facing as the cartel of Neharpar developers have adopted pressurizing tactics to induce the plot and apartment buyers to pay up their(developers') undue illegal demands in the garb of additional EDC to the Govt. In their submission before the authorities the apartment buyers' group brought  out these points vividly. The Director General Mr.T.C.Gupta after giving a patient hearing informed the group that the authorities were considering to bring out a notification waiving-off the interest on additional demand on enhanced EDC from January 2009 till the date of demand. He said, this waiver will give substantial relief to all the apartment and plot buyers of Neharpar area. This apart,  he promised to conduct an audit of the builders' book of accounts and document to assess whether they are collecting extra money from apartment and plot buyers in the garb of additional payment on account of enhanced EDC. For carrying out the audit/inspection Mr.Gupta requested for case studies of at least 2 cases from each developer. Accordingly, a list was forwarded to him by  GFWA  comprising  2-3 instances from each GHS.

 

The accounts team of DGT&CP came to audit/inspect the book of accounts of builders with reference to cases referred to them. They spent 2 days 24th and 25th Jan 2012 visiting the offices of all these developers, presumably inspected their records vis a vis the cases GFWA team forwarded to them and other cases in random (as we were informed by them). Thereafter, the audit team met up the contingent of representatives from various GHS at the DTP office in Sector 12 Faridabad. The meeting was attended by representatives from BPTP (plot owners), BPTP (various GHS apartment owners), Omaxe GHS, Piyush GHS, RPS Savana, Puri-Pranayam,SPR, SRS, Uppal Builders, etc. (Incidentally,  Uppal Builders have not raised any additional charges demand on account of enhanced EDC).The GHS groups had a prolonged meeting of about 3-4 hours with the aforesaid accounts team on 25th Jan, 2012 evening.

 

During the meeting all of us were informed by the authorities that :

1. DGT&CP is shortly coming out with a notification waiving the demand for interest from January 1, 2009. We were apprised that according to this notification interest will be payable by the developer if the additional amount on account of enhanced EDC is not made in time from the date of demand notice. The effect will be that there will be substantial relief due to waiver of interest for 28 months; This notification is in the reckoning and expected very shortly, within a month's time,
2. DGT&CP is not pressing the developers to make the payment of additional demand on account of enhanced EDC as the notification for interest waiver is in the reckoning, and  
3. The audit team were also to verify whether the builders' demand from customers (plot / apartment buyers) was in line with the demand levied by the DGT&CP. 

The representatives brought to the notice of the authorities that:

• Most of the builders were charging interest @ 15%  and 18% (overdue) from the buyers payable in one go whereas, they were making the payment @ 9% and 15% (overdue) in 4 installments. Further, they were not passing the benefit of moratorium for 12 months granted to them by authorities to the buyers. This is one of the ways the builders were extorting excess money from apartment /plot buyers in the guise of additional payment on account of enhanced EDC.
• Also, builders were charging additional amount on account of enhanced EDC for the entire area of land without giving abatement for the areas like clubs, school/s, shopping centers, medical clinics, other un-constructed area  which they'll sell on a later date.It was brought out that these areas were under ownership of the builders and the buyers were specifically precluded to claim any ownership rights and title on these areas vide clauses and specific annexure/s in the builder-buyer agreement. It was also pointed out that when the developer sells out these areas to third parties they would charge EDC at enhanced rate from the third party buyers as well, and pocket the amounts. 
• Further, it was specifically stated that as the rates of EDC and IDC are transparently available the builders are trying to play with the total saleable area and other financial tricks.
• The responsibility of paying the EDC and IDC is basically that of the builder and if any portion of the project remains unsold than, the builder will not burden the rest of the buyers for the principal as well as interest amounts in the EDC and IDC relating to such unused / unsold space.
• As the builder could have paid the EDC and IDC in lumpsum within 30 days of the grant of licence but they opted to pay the same in multiple equated installments for their own financial convenience therefore, they cannot pass the burden to the apartment buyers as that would be illegal and against the principle of natural justice.
• Further,it was also submitted that that, whereas, all the builders had collected practically 35% of the total dues at the time of booking,  they should have  cleared all statutory financial dues first so that the interest burden is limited only upto the date of first payment by the buyer and not beyond. Instead, they either paid the dues substantially later and deliberately let the interest burden accumulate to be passed on to the buyer, which is also illegal. 
• It was also submitted that as the buyer paid EDC and IDC as per the construction-linked payment plan scheme or lumpsum payment plan scheme advertised by the builder therefore, the buyers were not responsible for either the installment plan for payment of the interest nor could they be held responsible for payment of the interest due to delays. It was grossly illegal to charge / load the buyers with the element of such interest burden.
• Any increase in the super area should be duly approved by the DGT&CP and should be incorporated in the revised layout plan and only, than in the calculation of EDC and IDC.
• It was pointed out that since the builders were enhancing the basic sale price over the time scale they should absorb the cost of increased construction of non FAR areas in the increased profit and not load the burden on the buyer.
• It was also submitted that one of the reasonsfor enhanced EDC is due to huge outstanding / non-payment of EDC and IDC (even the old EDC and IDC). Therefore, raising illegal  demands taking opportunity of enhanced EDC charges is totally untenable in law and therefore, grossly a criminal offence. Hence, as per the norms of agreement between the DGT&CP and builder, the DGT&CP should consider cancellation of the licences of the builders and where the licence is due for renewal, the same should not be renewed.
• Collection of extra amounts in excess of what is demanded by the DGT&CP is grossly illegal.

 Appropriate documented submissions were also made to the authorities and we were assured by the authorities that the same will be considered by the DGT&CP. 

 

Decision:

 

All those present in this meeting of Pranayam Apartment Buyers raised their hand to confirm that none had paid the additional demand of PCL on account of enhanced EDC, it was unanimously agreed that the group would  wait till the notification and further instruction from the authorities in this regard.

 

II.     ANY OTHER MATTER

 

1. Many members felt that an apartment buyers association must be formed and a bank account should be opened so that the membership subscription can be deposited for meeting the expenses. 
2. Some members expressed concern over the quality of construction work done at "THE PRANAYAM" and certain others mentioned that the builder-buyer agreement as well as the proposed maintenance agreements are one-sided totally favoring the builder's interest which must also be looked-into by the proposed association.
3. One of the members present explained to the group that "THE PRNAYAM" site is infested with local anti-social elements who do not let the apartment buyers to take photograph of the work done for their respective towers as he had witnessed an incident when a local  person snatched-away the camera from one of the buyers and deleted the photographs taken by him.
4. All present unanimously agreed that it is only with cohesive action we could stop PCL from extracting undue and unjustified money demands from us, the apartment buyers.
5. Some members suggested that the group should re-visit the the "increased area demand of PCL in 2010".
6. One of the members present informed that he regularly passes-by "THE PRANAYAM" site area and updated that the EWS building structure roof-casting has been done upto the 6th or 7th floor but brick-work of that building is not in place as yet. In his opinion the earliest occupancy is subject to completion of EWS building.He cited that as per the Haryana Building By-laws,for the grant of occupancy certificate EWS units should stand fully constructed. 
7. Those present unanimously agreed that issues should be taken-up one at a time with PCL. One of the members pointed out that all communications to PCL should only be by registered post or speed post.
8. All present were informed that a number of RTIs are pending and the same are expected shortly. It was explained that there were no reason to meet-up PCL till we have substantial information in hand.
9. Some members felt that there is a greater need for participation and volunteered to serve the group in various ways. 
10.  It was unanimously voiced by all present that they will participate to make the group stronger in the interest of all apartment buyers and future neighbors of  "THE PRANAYAM" , make it a wonderful place to live-in  and, also make it the best address in the Greater Faridabad Area.One of the members thanked the group for their continuous support and cooperation.

The meeting ended with great thanks to all present.

 

Regards

Papia

 

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[sudipto chatterjee]

Dear Mr Chowdhry,

 

I don't have minutest of the doubt on the credibility or efforts put in by core group. All I am saying that we should come to a solution where we can demand a completion and possession time from PCL. They should be able to give us a concrete time frame and we can discuss what they require from us.

 

For example hypothetically if we say we pay X amt as enhanced EDC immediately @105 what is the time frame they would give us to deliver.In my mind once we pay that PCL wont have left with any silly excuses for delaying and then we really catch hold of them for any further delay. So lets say at worst with current speed we might be able to get possession in an years time or at least the propetry would be ready to be delivered. Now buy that time some decision comes from court on EDC part we still can adjust the amt against rest 5% to be given to PCL.

 

So at least the construction would be ready in an years time(conservatively) and then we can get it audited by an independent firm and if we find the deviation from actual offer in the construction we can file a case of fraudulent and cheating and we can fight that infinitely.

 

All I am saying is we should make sure that we don't give the PCL any excuses for further delaying project and at the end we come to a deadlock situation which I guess no one want. It should not be the another case that we are fighting the case for next 15 years and we are not getting possession due to some stay order which has happened many times in India (best example Dawarka).

 

I have complete trust on the ability each member of core group and high degree of respect for their effort. I am just requesting all the members to look into the matter in light of some alternative angle as well and may be we find a simple solution

 

Regards

Sudipto

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Asim Chowdhury <asim.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr Chatterjee,

Thanks for sharing your views. I completely agree with you since we also believe that possession is a priority. Since the EWS flats and STP plants etc. are still being constructed, as a rule PCL cannot give us possession until they complete these. Manas has given a conservative estimate of the completion of EWS flats as one year but if you visit the site and look at the slow pace of work in the EWS and the apartments, you can estimate the completion time for yourself. My estimate (gathered after talking to a few property consultants, and construction engineers) is that the time is likely to extend to more than one and half years if the work continues at the current pace.

The core group is relentlessly working to speed up things but PCL, it seems, is not responding to most of our queries. And to aggravate the situation you have some residents who are creating unwanted confusion by circulating incomplete information.

The core group is an open forum and you are most welcome to come and meet us and see for yourself what efforts we are putting forth for the cause.

Regards,

Asim Chowdhury

[K.S.Majithia]

Gentlemen

 

Instead of bickering over who said what, why does not the group of residents who feels that possession can be expedited by payment of all dues becomes proactive and try to find out if at all that is possible! Let them find out how this can be done and share it with the group.

 

If I know PCL well - nothing is going to be expedited even if you pay everything. Simply for the reasons that Asim has highlighted. No EWS - No Occupancy. On top of that all that has been paid is also lost because nothing is going to adjusted and/or returned.

 

Let us be patient and united.

 

Capt.K.S.Majithia 

[subroto haldar]

Team,
 
After going thru the recent mails, some comments from my side...
 
- Personally, I must thank Sudipto for the valuable points he has mentioned in his mail. I think his logics in Point 2 and 3 make a lot of sense. Sudipto, only thing is as you have mentioned paying 55 - 60K for a longer period of time is difficult, the same way for certain people arranging Rs 2.5 - 3 Lakhs within a short span of time may also be difficult. Another concern is... based on the recent observations (I mean the quality), how can we concentrate only on fast delivery... will you accept something which does not match your expected standard?
 
- I support Rattan's mail to Makhan / Asim. Yes, you have every right to protest against those words. We all are here for a cause and not in a war of vocabulary. I don't want to dig much about those mails but we must ensure that nothing drifts us away from our goal. No doubt our core group is doing a great job... but as a member of the group, we have every right to raise our concerns. We got united because of the Additional EDC issue but during the course of our action, so many other facts has been brought into our attention. We should be thankful to everyone for their contribution. Now we as a group, we need to evaluate and see which issue should be our top priority because at the end of the day the goal (savings) remains the same.
 
- We are not sure whether PCL has been keeping a track of all our correspondences and they will try to take every opportunity to "divide and rule". Hence, please be careful before you write anything here.
 
- I would like to request every member (especially the core members) of the group to evaluate very carefully and put their comments.
 
 
Thanks n regards
Subroto Haldar
+971506211395
 
 
 

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 15:11:16 +0530

Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

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Hi Sudipto,

 

thanks for your suggestion / point of views expressed below.  This is exactly my point of view as well.  I have expressed similar views in one of the first emails I wrote on this subject around 1 - 1.5 month back, and something I reiterated day before yesterday in my email again.

 

The same point has also been expressed by other few members as well.  Possession should get the top priority as all members having invested 95% of the total project value are going to be the true losers in case of any delay.  The idea is, as expressed by you, to deal with one issue at a time and not give PCL any additional option for delaying the possession.  That many members are reeling under double impact of EMI and rental accomodation makes the need of an early possession even more urgent.

 

However, I have been accused of parochial views, incorrect opinions, and being an agent of PCL (yes, thats right).  Being an agent of PCL for taking further the cause of many members in the group!!  Being an agent of PCL for stating my views freely and for not showering praises on the core group!!!

 

The core group is, by their own admission, an autonomous body, which shall take actions on its own, and members can only suggest and not participate in any other way. 

 

The demands from members especially of an early possession are being negated and disregarded by the core group. 

 

Through this email, I once again appeal to the core group to hold each members suggestions as valid expressions of interest and to treat those in like way.  I am not against the core group, just dont agree with the functioning and the disregard for members' genuine concerns.

 

Best Regards,

Rattan N Whig

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:26 PM, sudipto chatterjee <sudipto...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Best Regards,

 

Rattan N Whig

# 9811210342

[subroto haldar]

Sudipto,
 
I also support this point that what's the guarantee that PCL expedite their work and promptly deliver the units to the owners ever after the payment of additional EDC!!!
 
Proceeding legally might be required not only for the Additional EDC but also for the penalty clause on late delivery. Moreover, we need to think how to make these delays more public so that it seriously affects PCL to sell units in their upcoming projects. That might force them to complete Pranayam project quickly in order to avoid the bad reputation in the market.
 
I am sorry if I sound confusing by saying, "I support Sudipto's point and then I support Capt Majithia's point"...
My prime objective is... we should concentrate on completion of the project asap and get the occupancy... and in order to achieve that, we should do whatever possible... legal action / publicity against PCL...
 
Regards
Subroto Haldar
 

 

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From: cap...@gmail.com
To: pranayam...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:10:20 +0530

[sudipto chatterjee]

Dear Mr Halder,

I completely agree with you that we are giving PCL all the reason to divide and rule.

Just to clarify my point I am not saying paying the EDC is a solution and it will just expedite PCL speeding up the entire construction. I also agree that arranging this much of fund (3L) is also equally difficult.

 

All I am saying is to think tactically and fig out a solution for win win situation so that we can have possession at least in 1 years (worst possible). But i should not be like things are not moving any where and PCL has one more silly excuses for delay tactic that we did not pay the EDC in time. My point is if have waited 4 yrs may be we can wait 5 yrs(assuming it will take another 1 yrs to complete the construction as assessed by all who visited while also assuming current rate of work done) but this 5 yrs must not be 10 years or more so that we are in just no man's land. At the end we have to remember the stake is our as we have already paid 95% of payment and we still don't have anything in our hand.

 

So all I am looking for a meet and come to an short term effective solution which should build our case strong and we get the possession as early as possible. Once we get the possession we can fight our cause life long and we all will support.

 

Regards

Sudipto
 

[sudipto chatterjee]

Subroto,

I agree with both of yours concern that no guarantee PCL expedite contraction after paying EDC. In all likelihood they wont. But in worst possible situation they will be slow and we will get in years time. But still we get it. But right now if they have 5 nonsense reason to delay they have now 6th one which they would very conveniently pass it on to us. I am just not saying we should go and pay and things will be very hunky dory. No it wont but at least we think of alternative way to fetch the solution. At least we can go to builder and talk about possession. I mean we should not be stuck to one method of solution and just to think other wise as well.

 

Thx

Sudipto

[Ajay Sharma]

Hello Everybody

lot of mails........
every mail forced to think otherwise of other .....
somebody please let everybody know the below

a.   who all are part of core group ?
b.   What are the current problem looked into? & their impact on us
c.   Any mitigation plan to cater these problems?
d.    Where do we stand wrt plan?
e.    Do there any way to put pressure on builder to get the possession at earliest possible?

personally, I agreed with Sudipto. if we can put pressure on builder by paying edc as per our calculations, why not consider it? at the end of day, we all know that dtcp has increased the edc and everybody have to pay it, unless reversed by court which is not going in happen soon.

Ajay

[Pawan Kumar Hemrajani]

Dear Ajay-ji, Rattan-ji,

What you have mentioned in your mail is quiet surprising that there
are only 2-3 members in the core group, whereas in the meeting
conducted in Indian Habitat Center around 3 months back more than
10-12 people had volunteered to be a part of core committee and had
given their names as well including Pankaj Srivastava-ji and Sachin
Kumar-ji who are currently residing in Faridabad and can also
contribute towards the noble cause. Requesting them to rejoin the core
group.

I strongly feel that core committee should be expanded to included
more people to ensure that we have wider knowledge base, the work can
also be divided to ensure that only 2-3 persons are not burdened with
this huge task and things can be managed without any conflicts,
however strictly ensuring that thoughts and opinions of all residents
should be given respect and no unwarranted reaction is made on
anyone's opinion/ thought. Rattan-ji and Sudipto-ji, would request if
you can also become the part of the core committee and contribute
towards this noble cause.

Apart from the core committee, the same principle should be followed
for formation of RWA as well and inputs and nominations from all the
residents must be sought to ensure fair representation from all
segments and would also request if this action can also be taken on
priority.

Also respect the views given by ML Sazawal-ji, Dwarkanath-ji and
Balvinder-ji, however we need to act on those really fast as now we
have the common understanding in regards to our top priority being
Pranayam possession timeline (as PCL might create an issue while
making the penalty payment for the late delivery), followed by correct
EDC calculation and its payment (with or without protest) and finally
the quality of construction and other issues.

Lets ensure that there are no more bitter mails being circulated as
mentioned by Bharat-ji too in his mail sent recently and hope for
celebrating 2012 Diwali together in Pranayam.

Best Regards
Pawan Kumar Hemrajani

On 2/1/12, rattan whig <ratta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Ajay ji,
>
> I will try to explain & provide answer to your queries below. I have
> requested for a meeting with the core group where we can discuss these
> issues in greater detail.
>
> a. who all are part of core group ? Per information available with me,
> Papia & Asim are the members, for others I am not sure. Of course i may be
> wrong.
>
> b. What are the current problem looked into? & their impact on us. There
> is multitude of problems we are facing currently. EDC payment is the most
> important of them which also has an immediate financial impact for each
> member. Other problems are quality of construction, STP, EWS flats, etc.
> All these problems with the exception of Quality of construction can cause
> a possible delay in possession. My suggestion is to break down the EDC
> payment in to principle & interest components, discuss with PCL that we
> will make payment of principle amount upfront and interest component can be
> kept in abeyance till government decides on interest. I learn from the
> core group that government is considering withdrawal of interest charges
> and this is the fact that we can present to PCL to leverage our case.
>
> c. Any mitigation plan to cater these problems? The plan is to engage in
> conversation with PCL on all these points individually. We shall not or at
> least try not to put everything on one plate while we sit down at the
> discussion table. I have already suggested EDC plan above. for other
> concerns, we can draft a startegy at our next meeting, which i have
> requested with the core group.
> d. Where do we stand wrt plan? Unfortunately nowehere. While I and
> various other members have suggested that possession should be the only
> sole concern, we have various voices on various subjects, For better
> clarity & unified approach, I have suggested a meeting with the core
> group. Once this happens, we will be in position to take the plan forward.

> e. Do there any way to put pressure on builder to get the possession at

> earliest possible? The only way to put pressure on builder is through a
> dialog & our persuasion to initiate dialog with PCL at this stage. Having
> paid 95% of the total project cost, the builder has nothing to lose, while
> we on the other hand have very less to gain. Had the situation been
> different, in terms of project completion, for example if we had paid only
> 40% of the total cost, then the current stance would be favorable.
> Lets all meet with the core group this / next week and plan to discuss &
> resolve all these issues and approach builder with one unified Plan of
> action.

>
>
> Best Regards,
> Rattan N Whig
>

>>>>> 1. I think our utmost emphasis to given on the earliest possession

>>>>> although I appreciate the effort is made to sort out the other
>>>>> issues like
>>>>> EDC and Licencing part. But we must understand that we have already
>>>>> paid

>>>>> 95% of the total cost which is nothing less than *4.8-5 Mn* *which
>>>>> by any means is a huge money for any middle class family. *Now if

>>>>> we keep trying to address the other problems (which is genuine as
>>>>> well) and
>>>>> in that process give chance to PCL to make us responsible for
>>>>> delayed
>>>>> possession it would only help the builders.

>>>>> 2. In the current situation most of us are incurring the cost of

>>>>> rent which is nothing less than 17-18K and also the EMI which is
>>>>> also
>>>>> around 35-40K totaling up to appx 55-60K. Now if we keep fighting
>>>>> against
>>>>> the builder and not come to a solution which allow us to take
>>>>> possession
>>>>> earliest we will keep incurring above the cost for an infinite time
>>>>> which
>>>>> actually at the end will cost us more what we might save by not
>>>>> paying the
>>>>> enhance EDC (which is coming out to be Rs20/sqft as calculated by
>>>>> the core
>>>>> group) right now. Actually this will give builder to buy time and
>>>>> play the
>>>>> delay tactic.

>>>>> 3. In India we all know any legal battle (say we go that way right

>>>>>> 1. I am attaching the license document for all to see. Serial No.

>>>>>> 367 lists some area in sector 82 and 85 as PLOTTED. Therefore, we
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> residents need more clarification. It is surprising that you moved
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> assumption that whatever Puri is saying is correct when there is
>>>>>> information in this document that is compelling me to question the
>>>>>> license.
>>>>>> Without access to a copy of the official license I have no reason
>>>>>> to assume
>>>>>> that what PCL is saying is right or wrong. I should at best be
>>>>>> critical. I
>>>>>> hope you got my point. Also the long history of countrywide
>>>>>> developer’s
>>>>>> license in sectors that are not related to us is irrelevant here.
>>>>>> Let the
>>>>>> residents go through the license document and draw their own
>>>>>> conclusions.

>>>>>> 2. Appreciate your unconvincing ‘gyan’ on management. The core

>>>>>> group will take up issues as and when it deems fit. Individuals can
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> suggest.

>>>>>> 3. What you call as your 'genuine' concern is surely not the

>>>>>> concern of all residents. Further, the core group consists of some
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> finest professionals in their respective fields and surely do not
>>>>>> need to
>>>>>> concern themselves on whether they are praised or not. Such
>>>>>> expectations
>>>>>> are best left to the wannabes.

>>>>>> 4. The fact that the trust of residents has been compromised by a

>>>>>> few on the increased area discussion is a fact. Many residents, who
>>>>>> attended the last meeting at IHC, had shared this opinion with me.

>>>>>> 5. Discussing on issues such as litigation etc. should not be done

>>>>>> on the fly (Thankfully, you agreed on this).

>>>>>> 6. Any discussion on meetings with government officials should be

>>>>>> addressed to GFWA. The core group is not authorized to speak on
>>>>>> behalf of
>>>>>> the GFWA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, let this be an end to this discussion that began with your
>>>>>> mail. At the end of the day individual residents will do what they
>>>>>> feel is
>>>>>> right and so there is no reason why they should be presented with such
>>>>>> unwanted discourse. Let us keep our opinions to ourselves and do what
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> feel is right. Only time will tell who was right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tnx,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:41 AM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hi Asim,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your email. My responses are given below, point by
>>>>>>> point. Please take the pain of going through my detailed responses,
>>>>>>> which

>>>>>>> I hope are able to dispel the misrepresentation of facts.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Going through your email and what you refer to as “facts”, the
>>>>>>> painful ignorance is ever so revealing. The various terms used,
>>>>>>> parochial,
>>>>>>> cognitive dissonance, accused of creating unwanted tensions, putting
>>>>>>> words
>>>>>>> in others mouths, whimsical opinion, etc are only profoundly
>>>>>>> misplaced.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To all fellow members, let me again clarify that I am not against the
>>>>>>> group, or any of its actions, or any of the members. Sometimes, a
>>>>>>> critical
>>>>>>> opinion is a better opinion, and one must learn to take such opinions
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> stride, no matter how contrary they may appear to be to the populist
>>>>>>> stance.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With all due respect to all members, I have only chosen to express a
>>>>>>> different path for issue resolution. I fail to understand the state
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> mind which considers the path suggested to be against any one
>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>> member. However if anyone still feels so, I personally appeal to
>>>>>>> ignore my

>>>>>>> suggestion.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rattan N Whig****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Asim Chowdhury [mailto:asim.ch...@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:21 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* Rattan Whig
>>>>>>> *Cc:* amit...@elofic.com; ashish...@gmail.com;

>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>> make it only a prohibitive one way communication structure.****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For your information, all mails sent by the core group is marked to
>>>>>>> the mailing list and also sent to

>>>>>>> pranayam...@googlegroups.comjust in case we miss out on

>>>>>>> someone’s ID. All you need to do is to be in
>>>>>>> this Google group. Papia explained this by replying to me email
>>>>>>> yesterday and I get the point.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am writing this mail to you since the mail was marked to all of us
>>>>>>> to give you a point-by-point clarification on the issue, although
>>>>>>> this may
>>>>>>> entail referring back to certain past developments. Please do not
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>> these personally. Despite the desperate personal attacks, let’s get

>>>>>>> to the points. ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. For your information I am an active member of Pranayam and I

>>>>>>> was also present in the GFWA protest rally. I saw that you were
>>>>>>> present in
>>>>>>> the rally. However, towards the end, when we were wrapping up the
>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>> with the government officials it was only me and Mr Bidyutt were
>>>>>>> the only
>>>>>>> two people from Pranayam who participated in the informal
>>>>>>> discussions with
>>>>>>> the DC’s representative. The GFWA members/records will very well
>>>>>>> reveal
>>>>>>> this. Did I ever state that I attended the protest march rally
>>>>>>> from end to finish? Or, is it even pertinent? I was there to
>>>>>>> express my
>>>>>>> solidarity for the cause, however I chose not to walk on the
>>>>>>> streets and

>>>>>>> went back to attend to other pressing commitments. ****
>>>>>>> 2. Paying under protest is not a feasible option because once you

>>>>>>> have listed here. *This is perhaps the most important point in

>>>>>>> holistic nature of facts, stated by you? *
>>>>>>> 3. Your anxiety about possession is understandable. All of us are

>>>>>>> well as earlier communications.****
>>>>>>> 4. The core group which acts on behalf of the collective cause of

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> 5. Records available with the team show that you along with

>>>>>>> were extremely successful in getting so as well. ****
>>>>>>> 6. I could not understand why you raked up the issue of

>>>>>>> litigation in your mail when I cannot recall a single instance
>>>>>>> when the
>>>>>>> core group has discussed or for that matter even thought on these
>>>>>>> lines.
>>>>>>> Talking of litigation on the fly is unwarranted, particularly when
>>>>>>> no one
>>>>>>> is discussing or considering this. I failed to understand why this
>>>>>>> new seed
>>>>>>> is being planted in everyone’s mind all of a sudden. I hope you
>>>>>>> will desist
>>>>>>> from raking up such issues thoughtlessly, which I feel is akin to
>>>>>>> putting
>>>>>>> words in the mouths of others. The term litigation is loosely
>>>>>>> used and I do regret any particular inferences drawn from the
>>>>>>> same. The
>>>>>>> intent, I must once again state is not the provoke / instigate any
>>>>>>> reaction but the divert the attention to the most important
>>>>>>> single goal of
>>>>>>> possession. To say that this is planting a seed, or putting words
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> mouths of others is completely baseless as we are all prudent
>>>>>>> enough to

>>>>>>> understand the consequences of civil litigations.****
>>>>>>> 7. You have questioned the veracity of verbal statements made by

>>>>>>> interests? ****
>>>>>>> 8. The fact that discussions and patience can yield great results

>>>>>>> will be evident to you once you come to know what benefits the
>>>>>>> efforts of
>>>>>>> GFWA has gathered for all Neherpar residents from the Haryana
>>>>>>> government.
>>>>>>> What you are questioning Papiya here should be directed to the
>>>>>>> GFWA,
>>>>>>> provided you have time. I will be glad to do so, and do need
>>>>>>> more time to do so. In directing my concerns to Papia / Bidyut, I
>>>>>>> approached only the people from whom we are receiving the details.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> 9. In the last paragraph of your email, you made a passing remark

>>>>>>> trust on which the core group functions. ****

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thnx,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Asim Chowdhury
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:12 PM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sending this email again from different ID as most of the people have

>>>>>>> not received the original email sent from gmail****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rattan N Whig****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: *rattan whig* <ratta...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:28 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: <amit...@elofic.com>; <ashish...@gmail.com>; <
>>>>>>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in>; <amita...@yahoo.co.in>; <
>>>>>>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in>; <ananta...@gmail.com>; <
>>>>>>> arunjai...@gmail.com>; <arunam...@gmail.com>; <
>>>>>>> amrit...@yahoo.com>; <atanu_sinha

>>>>>>> To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sending this email again as many people did not recieve it the first

>>>>>>> time.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: *rattan whig* <ratta...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:40 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: amit...@elofic.com, ashish...@gmail.com,
>>>>>>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in, amita...@yahoo.co.in,
>>>>>>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in, ananta...@gmail.com,
>>>>>>> arunjai...@gmail.com, arunam...@gmail.com,
>>>>>>> amrit...@yahoo.com, atanu...@hotmail.com, anil.

>>>>>>> To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Papia,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was not marked on the original email sent by you & got this through
>>>>>>> another member. As in my previous emails, I have few points which
>>>>>>> have not
>>>>>>> been considered / clarified enough, and which in my opinion deserve

>>>>>>> adequate attention.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the onset to prevent any misunderstanding like earlier, let me
>>>>>>> clarify, a) that I am writing this email in my individual capacity
>>>>>>> and not
>>>>>>> as representative of any group, b) that my sole intent is timely
>>>>>>> possession
>>>>>>> of the flat, and c) that I am not against any one or any action
>>>>>>> proposed by
>>>>>>> any one, till the time that the said action or person goes against
>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> purpose of securing timely possession of the units.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, I will like to make it a point that I am not copied on any of
>>>>>>> your emails. I attended one of the first meetings on this subject
>>>>>>> held in
>>>>>>> India Habitat Center and was present with Bidyut at the Faridabad
>>>>>>> protest
>>>>>>> march and I requested to be included in your emails whenever we met
>>>>>>> in any
>>>>>>> such forums. I understand that this is your prerogative and you can
>>>>>>> decide
>>>>>>> who should be included, hence can only request to keep me involved,
>>>>>>> or at
>>>>>>> least informed. As a flat owner I guess I have an interest in your
>>>>>>> pursuit
>>>>>>> of this collective cause. In case you opine otherwise, its fine as
>>>>>>> well.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now coming to the main points raised in your email below. I have
>>>>>>> always maintained and still do feel that the best course is to pay
>>>>>>> the EDC
>>>>>>> demand and later decide on the legal intricacies. This may seem

>>>>>>> bewildering to a few, let me explain why it’s not.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, we shall of course pay the demand under protest. Second, we
>>>>>>> can pay the demand in different ways, either as one consolidated
>>>>>>> payment in
>>>>>>> the manner it has been demanded, or segregated as two different
>>>>>>> payments,
>>>>>>> for “Interest” and “Principal”, which break up we can always ask PCL
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> provide us. This will also settle one of our main contentions
>>>>>>> regarding
>>>>>>> the breakup of the demand raised by PCL for enhanced EDC payment. We
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> suggest that the demand for “principal” component of EDC be paid up
>>>>>>> front,
>>>>>>> while payment demand for “interest” component can be kept in abeyance
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> through post dated cheque, pending the decision by government /
>>>>>>> regulators

>>>>>>> as indicated in your email below. ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Third, perhaps most significantly, we must note that protest is not a
>>>>>>> viable option for many members. People who continue to stay on rent
>>>>>>> realize the pinch each month. This can be avoided by gaining timely
>>>>>>> possession. The debatable amount of EDC erroneously calculated by
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> builder is evidently offset against the additional rent being paid
>>>>>>> and to
>>>>>>> be paid in the coming months, which can be avoided in case completion
>>>>>>> certificate is delayed by the government / regulators on grounds of
>>>>>>> EDC
>>>>>>> payment not being cleared by the builder. Now, whether the balance
>>>>>>> outstanding on EDC payment is on account of current increment in EDC
>>>>>>> rates
>>>>>>> or previous EDC demands raised on the builder and not met, is really
>>>>>>> a non
>>>>>>> issue. Back of the envelope calculation tell that even in case 50%
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> total EDC demand is erroneous, the same is less than 6 months’ rent
>>>>>>> paid

>>>>>>> out by one.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Litigation as an option to resolve any dispute is not really an
>>>>>>> option that we should consider. While there are strong examples like
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> recent DLF Belair apartment case, which sound and look great, through
>>>>>>> careful introspection one cannot help but notice that the judgment
>>>>>>> has not
>>>>>>> alleviated the condition of apartment owners. How much portion out
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> total fine levied on the builder has been apportioned among the
>>>>>>> apartment
>>>>>>> buyers? Has the judgment, which is under appeal, stopped DLF or any
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> builder from using incomprehensible language in the agreements with

>>>>>>> individual purchasers? ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fourth, during the multiple meetings with DGT&CP, auditing of
>>>>>>> builders’ records, etc, out of the numerous encouraging statements
>>>>>>> mentioned in the email below, has anything been undertaken in writing
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> any government body? If yes, then what’s the sanctity of such
>>>>>>> documents
>>>>>>> and is it binding on the builder? If no, then shall we even consider
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> verbal statements which can easily change within minutes due to
>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>> external factors including but not limited to transfer of officials
>>>>>>> (case
>>>>>>> in point, Noida authority chairman was changed 4 times within one
>>>>>>> month)?

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe we must answer these & other questions before proceeding.**
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other points regarding PCL not meeting desired standards or
>>>>>>> defaulting from its commitment, the best way & perhaps only way
>>>>>>> forward is
>>>>>>> through dialog. I am not a diplomat, neither am I averse to taking
>>>>>>> risks,
>>>>>>> however before taking any recourse one must weigh the pros and cons,
>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>> of do a cost benefit analysis. In this case, if one looks
>>>>>>> objectively,
>>>>>>> cost is significantly higher than the benefits one hopes to realize.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> must stress any benefits that are being proposed must be classified
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> tangible & intangible. Intangible benefits that don’t translate in
>>>>>>> to any
>>>>>>> real outcome must be ignored. We must keep our individual egos
>>>>>>> aside, sort
>>>>>>> of leave emotions at the door, as these will only jeopardize the
>>>>>>> entire

>>>>>>> future. ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have not paid the EDC demand currently & shall only do so with the
>>>>>>> group. It’s not my intention to cause a rift within the group, only
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> ensure that collective benefits are realized first and any individual
>>>>>>> benefits don’t take priority. My humble opinion as mentioned above,
>>>>>>> lets
>>>>>>> take a wise collective decision and avoid any dispute at this stage.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rattan N Whig****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>> dco...@gmail.com ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *'BRAVO'*

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I totally support the decision taken in the meeting and would like to
>>>>>>> join the association immediately on its formation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ravi ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Papia Bhatachaarji <

>>>>>>> papiabha...@gmail.com> wrote:****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear All ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's the Minutes of the Meeting held on January 26, 2012:****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I. DISCUSSION ON ADDITIONAL PAYMENT ON ACCOUNT OF ENHANCED
>>>>>>> EDC*****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Recap*****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The meeting started with recap of the earlier events:****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - In late September 2011 PCL issued demand notice for additional
>>>>>>> EDC;****
>>>>>>> - We met on the 16th of October, 2011 and unanimously agreed to

>>>>>>> ask PCL to provide us a copy of the demand raised by the DGT&CP
>>>>>>> including

>>>>>>> calculations of additional EDC, details of EDC paid,etc. ****
>>>>>>> - We sent individual letters and submitted a group memorandum to
>>>>>>> PCL****
>>>>>>> - PCL did not provide us full information. they only provided us

>>>>>>> calculation on EDC and calculation of additional amount payable on
>>>>>>> account
>>>>>>> of enhanced EDC on plain A4 sheets of paper but neither did they
>>>>>>> sent to us
>>>>>>> either the demand notice received from DGT&CP nor, did they
>>>>>>> furnish the

>>>>>>> date-wise duly audited details of EDC paid ****
>>>>>>> - We again sent intimation individually and group representation

>>>>>>> asking PCL to provide the said documents on their letterhead duly
>>>>>>> signed by

>>>>>>> a senior managerial person****
>>>>>>> - PCL sent us signed copy of detailed EDC calculation, signed

>>>>>>> copy of additional EDC calculation but did not send us the audited
>>>>>>> copy of

>>>>>>> EDC paid disclosing dates on which EDC paid, etc. ****
>>>>>>> - We got the DGT&CP's computation of additional amount on account
>>>>>>> of enhanced EDC in case of OMAXE project.****
>>>>>>> - We met PCL team which included Mr.Arjun Puri. PCL team claimed

>>>>>>> that they have not received any demand / computation from DGT&CP
>>>>>>> except
>>>>>>> that they dug out the one-page demand notice (only the covering
>>>>>>> letter)
>>>>>>> from Countrywide Promoters office. He mentioned that he'll write
>>>>>>> to DGT&CP
>>>>>>> requesting them to send the demand raised in PCL's name and also
>>>>>>> request
>>>>>>> them to waive the interest on enhanced EDC upto the date of
>>>>>>> receipt of the
>>>>>>> revised demand letter . This apart, the PCL team could not show us
>>>>>>> sufficient evidence to satisfy our queries. (please refer MOM of
>>>>>>> the PCL

>>>>>>> meeting circulated earlier)****
>>>>>>> - Mr.Arjun Puri called up one of the members to inform that PCL

>>>>>>> has sent the letter to DGT&CP and has an acknowledgement from
>>>>>>> DGT&CP in

>>>>>>> record.****
>>>>>>> - As agreed during the meeting with PCL, the core group finalized

>>>>>>> the MOM of their meeting with PCL and sent it to Arjun Puri to
>>>>>>> sign. Arjun

>>>>>>> Puri refused saying that he did not agree with the MOM****
>>>>>>> - Core group requested PCL/ Kaushik Sengupta to provide

>>>>>>> computation of interest on Enhanced EDC. Inspite of several
>>>>>>> reminders the

>>>>>>> same has not been provided till date by PCL.****
>>>>>>> - Mohinder Puri wrote a letter to some apartment buyers asking

>>>>>>> them to pay-up the enhanced EDC demand failing which inspection of

>>>>>>> apartment will not be allowed.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Meetings With DGT&CP Officials*****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>> comprising 2-3 instances from each GHS.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The accounts team of DGT&CP came to audit/inspect the book of
>>>>>>> accounts of builders with reference to cases referred to them. They
>>>>>>> spent 2
>>>>>>> days 24th and 25th Jan 2012 visiting the offices of all these
>>>>>>> developers,
>>>>>>> presumably inspected their records vis a vis the cases GFWA team
>>>>>>> forwarded
>>>>>>> to them and other cases in random (as we were informed by them).
>>>>>>> Thereafter, the audit team met up the contingent of representatives
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> various GHS at the DTP office in Sector 12 Faridabad. The meeting was
>>>>>>> attended by representatives from BPTP (plot owners), BPTP (various
>>>>>>> GHS
>>>>>>> apartment owners), Omaxe GHS, Piyush GHS, RPS Savana,
>>>>>>> Puri-Pranayam,SPR,
>>>>>>> SRS, Uppal Builders, etc. (Incidentally, Uppal Builders have not
>>>>>>> raised
>>>>>>> any additional charges demand on account of enhanced EDC).The GHS
>>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>> had a prolonged meeting of about 3-4 hours with the aforesaid
>>>>>>> accounts team

>>>>>>> on 25th Jan, 2012 evening.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> During the meeting all of us were informed by the authorities that :*
>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. DGT&CP is shortly coming out with a notification waiving the

>>>>>>> demand for interest from January 1, 2009. We were apprised that
>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>> to this notification interest will be payable by the developer if
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> additional amount on account of enhanced EDC is not made in time
>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>> date of demand notice. The effect will be that there will be
>>>>>>> substantial
>>>>>>> relief due to waiver of interest for 28 months; This notification
>>>>>>> is in the

>>>>>>> reckoning and expected very shortly, within a month's time,****
>>>>>>> 2. DGT&CP is not pressing the developers to make the payment of

>>>>>>> additional demand on account of enhanced EDC as the notification
>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>> interest waiver is in the reckoning, and ****
>>>>>>> 3. The audit team were also to verify whether the builders'

>>>>>>> demand from customers (plot / apartment buyers) was in line with
>>>>>>> the demand

>>>>>>> levied by the DGT&CP. ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The representatives brought to the notice of the authorities that:***
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Most of the builders were charging interest @ 15% and 18%

>>>>>>> (overdue) from the buyers payable in one go whereas, they were
>>>>>>> making the
>>>>>>> payment @ 9% and 15% (overdue) in 4 installments. Further, they
>>>>>>> were not
>>>>>>> passing the benefit of moratorium for 12 months granted to them by
>>>>>>> authorities to the buyers. This is one of the ways the builders
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> extorting excess money from apartment /plot buyers in the guise of

>>>>>>> additional payment on account of enhanced EDC.****
>>>>>>> - Also, builders were charging additional amount on account of

>>>>>>> enhanced EDC for the entire area of land without giving abatement
>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>> areas like clubs, school/s, shopping centers, medical clinics,
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> un-constructed area which they'll sell on a later date.It was
>>>>>>> brought out
>>>>>>> that these areas were under ownership of the builders and the
>>>>>>> buyers were
>>>>>>> specifically precluded to claim any ownership rights and title on
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> areas vide clauses and specific annexure/s in the builder-buyer
>>>>>>> agreement.
>>>>>>> It was also pointed out that when the developer sells out these
>>>>>>> areas to
>>>>>>> third parties they would charge EDC at enhanced rate from the
>>>>>>> third party

>>>>>>> buyers as well, and pocket the amounts. ****
>>>>>>> - Further, it was specifically stated that as the rates of EDC

>>>>>>> and IDC are transparently available the builders are trying to
>>>>>>> play with

>>>>>>> the total saleable area and other financial tricks.****
>>>>>>> - The responsibility of paying the EDC and IDC is basically that

>>>>>>> of the builder and if any portion of the project remains unsold
>>>>>>> than, the
>>>>>>> builder will not burden the rest of the buyers for the principal
>>>>>>> as well as
>>>>>>> interest amounts in the EDC and IDC relating to such unused /
>>>>>>> unsold space.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> - As the builder could have paid the EDC and IDC in lumpsum

>>>>>>> within 30 days of the grant of licence but they opted to pay the
>>>>>>> same in
>>>>>>> multiple equated installments for their own financial convenience
>>>>>>> therefore, they cannot pass the burden to the apartment buyers as
>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>> would be illegal and against the principle of natural justice.****
>>>>>>> - Further,it was also submitted that that, whereas, all the

>>>>>>> builders had collected practically 35% of the total dues at the
>>>>>>> time of
>>>>>>> booking, they should have cleared all statutory financial dues
>>>>>>> first so
>>>>>>> that the interest burden is limited only upto the date of first
>>>>>>> payment by
>>>>>>> the buyer and not beyond. Instead, they either paid the dues
>>>>>>> substantially
>>>>>>> later and deliberately let the interest burden accumulate to be
>>>>>>> passed on

>>>>>>> to the buyer, which is also illegal. ****
>>>>>>> - It was also submitted that as the buyer paid EDC and IDC as per

>>>>>>> the construction-linked payment plan scheme or lumpsum payment
>>>>>>> plan scheme
>>>>>>> advertised by the builder therefore, the buyers were not
>>>>>>> responsible for
>>>>>>> either the installment plan for payment of the interest nor could
>>>>>>> they be
>>>>>>> held responsible for payment of the interest due to delays. It was
>>>>>>> grossly
>>>>>>> illegal to charge / load the buyers with the element of such
>>>>>>> interest

>>>>>>> burden.****
>>>>>>> - Any increase in the super area should be duly approved by the

>>>>>>> DGT&CP and should be incorporated in the revised layout plan and
>>>>>>> only, than

>>>>>>> in the calculation of EDC and IDC.****
>>>>>>> - It was pointed out that since the builders were enhancing the

>>>>>>> basic sale price over the time scale they should absorb the cost
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> increased construction of non FAR areas in the increased profit
>>>>>>> and not

>>>>>>> load the burden on the buyer.****
>>>>>>> - It was also submitted that one of the reasonsfor enhanced EDC

>>>>>>> is due to huge outstanding / non-payment of EDC and IDC (even the
>>>>>>> old EDC
>>>>>>> and IDC). Therefore, raising illegal demands taking opportunity
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> enhanced EDC charges is totally untenable in law and therefore,
>>>>>>> grossly a
>>>>>>> criminal offence. Hence, as per the norms of agreement between the
>>>>>>> DGT&CP
>>>>>>> and builder, the DGT&CP should consider cancellation of the
>>>>>>> licences of the
>>>>>>> builders and where the licence is due for renewal, the same should
>>>>>>> not be

>>>>>>> renewed.****
>>>>>>> - Collection of extra amounts in excess of what is demanded by
>>>>>>> the DGT&CP is grossly illegal.****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Appropriate documented submissions were also made to the authorities
>>>>>>> and we were assured by the authorities that the same will be
>>>>>>> considered by

>>>>>>> the DGT&CP. ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Decision:****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All those present in this meeting of Pranayam Apartment Buyers raised
>>>>>>> their hand to confirm that none had paid the additional demand of PCL
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> account of enhanced EDC, it was unanimously agreed that the group
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> wait till the notification and further instruction from the
>>>>>>> authorities in

>>>>>>> this regard.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *II. ANY OTHER MATTER*****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Many members felt that an apartment buyers association must be

>>>>>>> formed and a bank account should be opened so that the membership

>>>>>>> subscription can be deposited for meeting the expenses. ****
>>>>>>> 2. Some members expressed concern over the quality of

>>>>>>> construction work done at "THE PRANAYAM" and certain others
>>>>>>> mentioned that
>>>>>>> the builder-buyer agreement as well as the proposed maintenance
>>>>>>> agreements
>>>>>>> are one-sided totally favoring the builder's interest which must
>>>>>>> also be

>>>>>>> looked-into by the proposed association.****
>>>>>>> 3. One of the members present explained to the group that "THE

>>>>>>> PRNAYAM" site is infested with local anti-social elements who do
>>>>>>> not let
>>>>>>> the apartment buyers to take photograph of the work done for their
>>>>>>> respective towers as he had witnessed an incident when a local
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>> snatched-away the camera from one of the buyers and deleted

>>>>>>> the photographs taken by him.****
>>>>>>> 4. All present unanimously agreed that it is only with cohesive

>>>>>>> action we could stop PCL from extracting undue and unjustified
>>>>>>> money

>>>>>>> demands from us, the apartment buyers.****
>>>>>>> 5. Some members suggested that the group should re-visit the the
>>>>>>> "increased area demand of PCL in 2010".****
>>>>>>> 6. One of the members present informed that he regularly

>>>>>>> passes-by "THE PRANAYAM" site area and updated that the EWS
>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>> structure roof-casting has been done upto the 6th or 7th floor but
>>>>>>> brick-work of that building is not in place as yet. In his opinion
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> earliest occupancy is subject to completion of EWS building.He
>>>>>>> cited that
>>>>>>> as per the Haryana Building By-laws,for the grant of occupancy
>>>>>>> certificate

>>>>>>> EWS units should stand fully constructed. ****
>>>>>>> 7. Those present unanimously agreed that issues should be

>>>>>>> taken-up one at a time with PCL. One of the members pointed out
>>>>>>> that all
>>>>>>> communications to PCL should only be by registered post or speed
>>>>>>> post.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> 8. All present were informed that a number of RTIs are pending

>>>>>>> and the same are expected shortly. It was explained that there
>>>>>>> were no
>>>>>>> reason to meet-up PCL till we have substantial information in
>>>>>>> hand.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> 9. Some members felt that there is a greater need for

>>>>>>> participation and volunteered to serve the group in various ways.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> 10. It was unanimously voiced by all present that they will

>>>>>>> participate to make the group stronger in the interest of all
>>>>>>> apartment
>>>>>>> buyers and future neighbors of "THE PRANAYAM" , make it a
>>>>>>> wonderful place
>>>>>>> to live-in and, also make it the best address in the Greater
>>>>>>> Faridabad
>>>>>>> Area.One of the members thanked the group for their continuous
>>>>>>> support and

>>>>>>> cooperation.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The meeting ended with great thanks to all present.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Papia****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
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[Balvinder Sahrawat]

Hi Everyone,
First thing first, thanks to all the efforts done by Core Group and more importantly by each and every flat owner who has shared their knowledge and concerns. It doesn't matter however detailed/correct/relevant they are -at least they make you scratch your brain and ponder on situation to take a well informed / calculated INDIVIDUAL decision. Right or wrong, only time will tell.
My Thoughts after bring in this industry for some time now-
1- Calculations by Sudipto/Rattan (or whoever has shared it) regarding loss of interest/EMI is a clear indication of what we are loosing if we don't get possession at time viz what we are fighting for. In no way I am saying we just pay EDC, but for sure we, atleast I, have more focus on getting possession and would do anything to get it asap and then fight for quality/edc or whatever the issue is there.
2-I have 2 investment in that area, unfortunately. 1 bptp resort and 1 pranayam. For BPTP - flat is ready and possession is being called. For this I got enhanced EDC demand 15 days back and I paid it this monday as the only way I can have some value for my money is when I get possession.
3- I sometime back wrote about part completion and mentioned that it is very much possible and lot of big development, particularly commercial, go for it and generally residential builder avoid it due to cost implication and more so because services need to be in place for complete development even if they are seeking part occupancy for half the project. Doesn't make business sense STILL many developer, including DLF,EMaar has done it given market conditions.
4-Supdito point is fully valid- its not easy to arrange 3 lakhs in one go for most of us who are working individuals. Is deferred payment an option? May be may be not...
5- status quo on this is fine and even if. CC is after EWS wing which will take time, if the project is delayed due to non payment of any fees from my side, builder will not pay any interest on delay as per the clause in agreement (irrespective how small it is) as I would not have followed my obligation of paying, as per the agreement clauses. In short- why don't we start a protest against delay and push for getting penal interest, as and when its applicable as per our individual agreement. Legally speaking, we have better chances of winning that battle. Just a thought....

Anyways-its not about divide and rule, its individual call based on individual assessment of risk and reward.

This is what I intend to do-I will delay this payment to whenever possible and more than anything else my interest is in possession of flat. The day I get a feel that EDC payment is delaying possession, I would pay EDC under protest (there is a proper legal provision for that) and wait for decision on this issue by court. More than builder, this issue is because of HUDA. Whatever the decision will be it will be applicable for everyone. Nothing to lose because if I pay an interest of 10.5% on my home loan, its better than paying 15% or even 9% penal interest which will be applicable retrospectively. Simple maths!!
I intend to pick those battles where I know I have better chances to win and which directly impact my investment -i.e quality of construction, overall project development and delivery of project.

While I appreciate every effort being done by everyone in community and happy to support any legal case against developer, both morally and financially (something which was always suggested by Mr Dwarkanath and unfortunately nothing happened) I don't appreciate/ or think we should accept any individual remark by individual on anyone's intent. Its surprising how someone can address one of the flat owners as developer's guy.... Everyone is free to express what he feel. As grownup owners who have invested their OWN money in this project, let's limit our thoughts about others .
Mr Dwarkanath- Sir, if you still have the intent and enthusiasm to take it up legally, pls let me know and I am happy to dutch in. If we have to fight, let's fight legally, else we will have our email box filling with no solution in sight.

Best/ Balvinder
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Subject: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

Thanks for your email Subroto.

My point has been exactly the same, and I stated this same point
approx 2 months back. We having paid 95% of the total project cost
must secure our tangible interest at the earliest. The only rangible
interest in this whole thing is the possession of the flat.

We agree that there are reasons beyond the EDC issue that can delay
the possession. No one is disputing that. However, what kind of
logic is it to pile up one issue on top of the other and not resolve
the resolvable issues. By doing so, we are just going to provide
another reason for possible delay in possession.

Sudipto, ramneek, pankaj, you and few others have also expressed
similar point of views. However this is not going down well with
certain individuals who have formed an all pervading, autonomous body
called the core group. Yet, we are not against this group or its
members or their actions. All we are humbly and politely, time and
again requesting is that the point of views expressed by many members
must not be ignored.

Best Regards,
Rattan N Whig

>> ------------------------------

>> 1. I think our utmost emphasis to given on the earliest possession

>> although I appreciate the effort is made to sort out the other issues
>> like
>> EDC and Licencing part. But we must understand that we have already
>> paid

>> 95% of the total cost which is nothing less than *4.8-5 Mn* *which by
>> any means is a huge money for any middle class family. *Now if we keep

>> trying to address the other problems (which is genuine as well) and in
>> that
>> process give chance to PCL to make us responsible for delayed
>> possession it
>> would only help the builders.

>> 2. In the current situation most of us are incurring the cost of rent

>> which is nothing less than 17-18K and also the EMI which is also around
>> 35-40K totaling up to appx 55-60K. Now if we keep fighting against the
>> builder and not come to a solution which allow us to take possession
>> earliest we will keep incurring above the cost for an infinite time
>> which
>> actually at the end will cost us more what we might save by not paying
>> the
>> enhance EDC (which is coming out to be Rs20/sqft as calculated by the
>> core
>> group) right now. Actually this will give builder to buy time and play
>> the
>> delay tactic.

>> 3. In India we all know any legal battle (say we go that way right a

>> 1. I am attaching the license document for all to see. Serial No. 367

>> lists some area in sector 82 and 85 as PLOTTED. Therefore, we as
>> residents
>> need more clarification. It is surprising that you moved with the
>> assumption that whatever Puri is saying is correct when there is
>> information in this document that is compelling me to question the
>> license.
>> Without access to a copy of the official license I have no reason to
>> assume
>> that what PCL is saying is right or wrong. I should at best be
>> critical. I
>> hope you got my point. Also the long history of countrywide developer’s
>> license in sectors that are not related to us is irrelevant here. Let
>> the
>> residents go through the license document and draw their own
>> conclusions.

>> 2. Appreciate your unconvincing ‘gyan’ on management. The core group

>> will take up issues as and when it deems fit. Individuals can only
>> suggest.

>> 3. What you call as your 'genuine' concern is surely not the concern

>> of all residents. Further, the core group consists of some of the
>> finest
>> professionals in their respective fields and surely do not need to
>> concern
>> themselves on whether they are praised or not. Such expectations are
>> best
>> left to the wannabes.

>> 4. The fact that the trust of residents has been compromised by a few

>> on the increased area discussion is a fact. Many residents, who
>> attended
>> the last meeting at IHC, had shared this opinion with me.

>> 5. Discussing on issues such as litigation etc. should not be done on

>> the fly (Thankfully, you agreed on this).

>> 6. Any discussion on meetings with government officials should be

>> addressed to GFWA. The core group is not authorized to speak on behalf
>> of
>> the GFWA.
>>
>> Finally, let this be an end to this discussion that began with your mail.
>> At the end of the day individual residents will do what they feel is right
>> and so there is no reason why they should be presented with such unwanted
>> discourse. Let us keep our opinions to ourselves and do what we feel is
>> right. Only time will tell who was right.
>>
>> Tnx,
>>
>> AC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:41 AM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:
>>

>> Hi Asim,****
>>
>> ** **

>>
>> Thanks for your email. My responses are given below, point by point.
>> Please take the pain of going through my detailed responses, which I hope

>> are able to dispel the misrepresentation of facts.****
>>
>> ** **

>>
>> Going through your email and what you refer to as “facts”, the painful
>> ignorance is ever so revealing. The various terms used, parochial,
>> cognitive dissonance, accused of creating unwanted tensions, putting words

>> in others mouths, whimsical opinion, etc are only profoundly misplaced. *
>> ***
>>
>> ** **

>>
>> To all fellow members, let me again clarify that I am not against the
>> group, or any of its actions, or any of the members. Sometimes, a
>> critical
>> opinion is a better opinion, and one must learn to take such opinions in
>> stride, no matter how contrary they may appear to be to the populist
>> stance.

>> ****
>>
>> ** **

>>
>> With all due respect to all members, I have only chosen to express a
>> different path for issue resolution. I fail to understand the state of
>> mind which considers the path suggested to be against any one particular
>> member. However if anyone still feels so, I personally appeal to ignore
>> my

>> suggestion.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Best Regards,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Rattan N Whig****
>>
>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>
>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Asim Chowdhury [mailto:asim.ch...@gmail.com]

>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:21 AM
>> *To:* Rattan Whig
>> *Cc:* amit...@elofic.com; ashish...@gmail.com;

>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012****
>>
>> ** **

>> communication structure.****

>>
>>
>> For your information, all mails sent by the core group is marked to the
>> mailing list and also sent to pranayam...@googlegroups.com just in
>> case we miss out on someone’s ID. All you need to do is to be in this
>> Google group. Papia explained this by replying to me email yesterday and
>> I get the point.
>>

>> ****

>>
>> I am writing this mail to you since the mail was marked to all of us to
>> give you a point-by-point clarification on the issue, although this may
>> entail referring back to certain past developments. Please do not take
>> these personally. Despite the desperate personal attacks, let’s get to

>> the points. ****
>>
>> 1. For your information I am an active member of Pranayam and I was

>> also present in the GFWA protest rally. I saw that you were present in
>> the
>> rally. However, towards the end, when we were wrapping up the meeting
>> with
>> the government officials it was only me and Mr Bidyutt were the only
>> two
>> people from Pranayam who participated in the informal discussions with
>> the
>> DC’s representative. The GFWA members/records will very well reveal
>> this.
>> Did I ever state that I attended the protest march rally from end to
>> finish? Or, is it even pertinent? I was there to express my
>> solidarity
>> for the cause, however I chose not to walk on the streets and went back
>> to

>> attend to other pressing commitments. ****
>> 2. Paying under protest is not a feasible option because once you pay

>> have listed here. *This is perhaps the most important point in your

>> nature of facts, stated by you? *
>> 3. Your anxiety about possession is understandable. All of us are

>> well as earlier communications.****
>> 4. The core group which acts on behalf of the collective cause of

>> Pranayam residents, let me assure you, is a very sensible group that
>> functions in a transparent manner. So much so that we constantly invite
>> everyone to come forward and help us in whatever way they can. It is
>> not a
>> closed group with fixed boundaries; nor is anyone’s position supreme.
>> We
>> have never taken decisions on the fly that are arbitrary and one-sided.
>> This is unlike the past where in some instances a few had taken
>> decisions
>> on behalf of Pranayam residents without consulting a larger group of
>> residents. I would like to elaborate one such incident, which most
>> residents have opined, is not acceptable to them. (I am elaborating
>> this in
>> the next point). Where have I stated anything to the contrary? In
>> all my emails, it’s been a constant point that my endeavor is not to
>> question the core group / it’s actions. However by the language and
>> tone
>> of your email, it certainly appears that you are greatly irked at the
>> nature of genuine concerns raised by someone who has chosen to differ
>> and

>> not joined chorus with others in singing praises for the core group. **
>> **
>> 5. Records available with the team show that you along with Pawan,

>> getting so as well. ****
>> 6. I could not understand why you raked up the issue of litigation in

>> your mail when I cannot recall a single instance when the core group
>> has
>> discussed or for that matter even thought on these lines. Talking of
>> litigation on the fly is unwarranted, particularly when no one is
>> discussing or considering this. I failed to understand why this new
>> seed is
>> being planted in everyone’s mind all of a sudden. I hope you will
>> desist
>> from raking up such issues thoughtlessly, which I feel is akin to
>> putting
>> words in the mouths of others. The term litigation is loosely used
>> and I do regret any particular inferences drawn from the same. The
>> intent,
>> I must once again state is not the provoke / instigate any reaction
>> but
>> the divert the attention to the most important single goal of
>> possession.
>> To say that this is planting a seed, or putting words in the mouths of
>> others is completely baseless as we are all prudent enough to
>> understand

>> the consequences of civil litigations.****
>> 7. You have questioned the veracity of verbal statements made by the

>> interests? ****
>> 8. The fact that discussions and patience can yield great results will

>> be evident to you once you come to know what benefits the efforts of
>> GFWA
>> has gathered for all Neherpar residents from the Haryana government.
>> What
>> you are questioning Papiya here should be directed to the GFWA,
>> provided
>> you have time. I will be glad to do so, and do need more time to do
>> so. In directing my concerns to Papia / Bidyut, I approached only the

>> people from whom we are receiving the details. ****
>> 9. In the last paragraph of your email, you made a passing remark (or

>> which the core group functions. ****

>> ****
>>
>>
>> Thnx,
>>
>> Asim Chowdhury
>> ****
>>

>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:12 PM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:****

>>
>> Sending this email again from different ID as most of the people have not

>> received the original email sent from gmail****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Best Regards,****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Rattan N Whig****
>>
>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>
>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>

>> ---------- Forwarded message
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: *rattan whig* <ratta...@gmail.com>

>> Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:28 PM
>> Subject: <amit...@elofic.com>; <ashish...@gmail.com>; <
>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in>; <amita...@yahoo.co.in>; <
>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in>; <ananta...@gmail.com>; <
>> arunjai...@gmail.com>; <arunam...@gmail.com>; <
>> amrit...@yahoo.com>; <atanu_sinha

>> To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>****

>>
>>
>> Sending this email again as many people did not recieve it the first time.

>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Best Regards,****
>>
>> ****
>>
>>

>> ****
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: *rattan whig* <ratta...@gmail.com>

>> Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:40 AM
>> Subject: amit...@elofic.com, ashish...@gmail.com,
>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in, amita...@yahoo.co.in,
>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in, ananta...@gmail.com,
>> arunjai...@gmail.com,
>> arunam...@gmail.com, amrit...@yahoo.com, atanu...@hotmail.com,
>> anil.

>> To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>****
>>
>> Hi Papia,****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> I was not marked on the original email sent by you & got this through
>> another member. As in my previous emails, I have few points which have
>> not
>> been considered / clarified enough, and which in my opinion deserve

>> adequate attention.****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> At the onset to prevent any misunderstanding like earlier, let me clarify,
>> a) that I am writing this email in my individual capacity and not as
>> representative of any group, b) that my sole intent is timely possession
>> of
>> the flat, and c) that I am not against any one or any action proposed by
>> any one, till the time that the said action or person goes against the

>> purpose of securing timely possession of the units.****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> First, I will like to make it a point that I am not copied on any of your
>> emails. I attended one of the first meetings on this subject held in
>> India
>> Habitat Center and was present with Bidyut at the Faridabad protest march
>> and I requested to be included in your emails whenever we met in any such
>> forums. I understand that this is your prerogative and you can decide who
>> should be included, hence can only request to keep me involved, or at
>> least
>> informed. As a flat owner I guess I have an interest in your pursuit of

>> this collective cause. In case you opine otherwise, its fine as well. **
>> **
>>
>> ****

>>
>> Now coming to the main points raised in your email below. I have always
>> maintained and still do feel that the best course is to pay the EDC demand
>> and later decide on the legal intricacies. This may seem bewildering to a

>> few, let me explain why it’s not.****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> First, we shall of course pay the demand under protest. Second, we can
>> pay the demand in different ways, either as one consolidated payment in
>> the
>> manner it has been demanded, or segregated as two different payments, for
>> “Interest” and “Principal”, which break up we can always ask PCL to
>> provide
>> us. This will also settle one of our main contentions regarding the
>> breakup of the demand raised by PCL for enhanced EDC payment. We may
>> suggest that the demand for “principal” component of EDC be paid up front,
>> while payment demand for “interest” component can be kept in abeyance or
>> through post dated cheque, pending the decision by government / regulators

>> as indicated in your email below. ****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> Third, perhaps most significantly, we must note that protest is not a
>> viable option for many members. People who continue to stay on rent
>> realize the pinch each month. This can be avoided by gaining timely
>> possession. The debatable amount of EDC erroneously calculated by the
>> builder is evidently offset against the additional rent being paid and to
>> be paid in the coming months, which can be avoided in case completion
>> certificate is delayed by the government / regulators on grounds of EDC
>> payment not being cleared by the builder. Now, whether the balance
>> outstanding on EDC payment is on account of current increment in EDC rates
>> or previous EDC demands raised on the builder and not met, is really a non
>> issue. Back of the envelope calculation tell that even in case 50% of the
>> total EDC demand is erroneous, the same is less than 6 months’ rent paid

>> out by one.****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> Litigation as an option to resolve any dispute is not really an option
>> that we should consider. While there are strong examples like the recent
>> DLF Belair apartment case, which sound and look great, through careful
>> introspection one cannot help but notice that the judgment has not
>> alleviated the condition of apartment owners. How much portion out of the
>> total fine levied on the builder has been apportioned among the apartment
>> buyers? Has the judgment, which is under appeal, stopped DLF or any other
>> builder from using incomprehensible language in the agreements with

>> individual purchasers? ****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> Fourth, during the multiple meetings with DGT&CP, auditing of builders’
>> records, etc, out of the numerous encouraging statements mentioned in the
>> email below, has anything been undertaken in writing by any government
>> body? If yes, then what’s the sanctity of such documents and is it
>> binding
>> on the builder? If no, then shall we even consider those verbal
>> statements
>> which can easily change within minutes due to various external factors
>> including but not limited to transfer of officials (case in point, Noida

>> authority chairman was changed 4 times within one month)? ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I believe we must answer these & other questions before proceeding.****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> On the other points regarding PCL not meeting desired standards or
>> defaulting from its commitment, the best way & perhaps only way forward is
>> through dialog. I am not a diplomat, neither am I averse to taking risks,
>> however before taking any recourse one must weigh the pros and cons, sort
>> of do a cost benefit analysis. In this case, if one looks objectively,
>> cost is significantly higher than the benefits one hopes to realize. I
>> must stress any benefits that are being proposed must be classified as
>> tangible & intangible. Intangible benefits that don’t translate in to any
>> real outcome must be ignored. We must keep our individual egos aside,
>> sort
>> of leave emotions at the door, as these will only jeopardize the entire

>> future. ****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> I have not paid the EDC demand currently & shall only do so with the
>> group. It’s not my intention to cause a rift within the group, only to
>> ensure that collective benefits are realized first and any individual
>> benefits don’t take priority. My humble opinion as mentioned above, lets

>> take a wise collective decision and avoid any dispute at this stage. ****

>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Best Regards,****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Rattan N Whig****
>>
>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>
>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>
>> ****
>>
>>

>> -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON
>> 26.01.2012 From: "R.Kapur" To: papiabha...@gmail.com CC:
>> amit...@elofic.com,ashish...@gmail.com,ashoow...@yahoo.co.in,
>> amita...@yahoo.co.in,anand_...@yahoo.co.in,ananta...@gmail.com,
>> arunjai...@gmail.com,arunam...@gmail.com,amrit...@yahoo.com,
>> atanu...@hotmail.com,anil....@goodyear.com,ABHISH...@gmail.com,
>> ashok....@gmail.com,anan...@airtel.in,akhi...@yahoo.com,
>> arun...@yahoo.com,agrawa...@yahoo.com,abhish...@rediffmail.com,
>> arya_n...@yahoo.co.in,aggar...@yahoo.com,
>> ashish....@plantronics.com,aggarwa...@yahoo.com,
>> a_k...@hotmail.com,anand_g...@yahoo.co.in,amits...@airtelmail.in,
>> archa...@yahoo.com,arj...@yahoo.com,anubhav...@gmail.com,
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>>
>> *'BRAVO'*

>>
>> I totally support the decision taken in the meeting and would like to join
>> the association immediately on its formation.
>>
>> kind regards,
>>

>> Ravi ****

>>
>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Papia Bhatachaarji <

>> papiabha...@gmail.com> wrote:****
>>
>> Dear All ****
>>
>> ****
>>

>> Here's the Minutes of the Meeting held on January 26, 2012:****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *I. DISCUSSION ON ADDITIONAL PAYMENT ON ACCOUNT OF ENHANCED EDC****
>> *
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *Recap*****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> The meeting started with recap of the earlier events:****
>>
>> - In late September 2011 PCL issued demand notice for additional EDC;*
>> ***
>> - We met on the 16th of October, 2011 and unanimously agreed to ask

>> PCL to provide us a copy of the demand raised by the DGT&CP including

>> calculations of additional EDC, details of EDC paid,etc. ****
>> - We sent individual letters and submitted a group memorandum to PCL***
>> *
>> - PCL did not provide us full information. they only provided us

>> calculation on EDC and calculation of additional amount payable on
>> account
>> of enhanced EDC on plain A4 sheets of paper but neither did they sent
>> to us
>> either the demand notice received from DGT&CP nor, did they furnish the

>> date-wise duly audited details of EDC paid ****
>> - We again sent intimation individually and group representation

>> asking PCL to provide the said documents on their letterhead duly
>> signed by

>> a senior managerial person****
>> - PCL sent us signed copy of detailed EDC calculation, signed copy of

>> additional EDC calculation but did not send us the audited copy of EDC
>> paid

>> disclosing dates on which EDC paid, etc. ****
>> - We got the DGT&CP's computation of additional amount on account of
>> enhanced EDC in case of OMAXE project.****
>> - We met PCL team which included Mr.Arjun Puri. PCL team claimed that

>> they have not received any demand / computation from DGT&CP except that
>> they dug out the one-page demand notice (only the covering letter) from
>> Countrywide Promoters office. He mentioned that he'll write to DGT&CP
>> requesting them to send the demand raised in PCL's name and also
>> request
>> them to waive the interest on enhanced EDC upto the date of receipt of
>> the
>> revised demand letter . This apart, the PCL team could not show us
>> sufficient evidence to satisfy our queries. (please refer MOM of the
>> PCL

>> meeting circulated earlier)****
>> - Mr.Arjun Puri called up one of the members to inform that PCL has

>> sent the letter to DGT&CP and has an acknowledgement from DGT&CP in
>> record.

>> ****
>> - As agreed during the meeting with PCL, the core group finalized the

>> MOM of their meeting with PCL and sent it to Arjun Puri to sign. Arjun
>> Puri

>> refused saying that he did not agree with the MOM****
>> - Core group requested PCL/ Kaushik Sengupta to provide computation of

>> interest on Enhanced EDC. Inspite of several reminders the same has
>> not

>> been provided till date by PCL.****
>> - Mohinder Puri wrote a letter to some apartment buyers asking them to

>> pay-up the enhanced EDC demand failing which inspection of apartment
>> will

>> not be allowed.****
>>
>> *Meetings With DGT&CP Officials*****
>>
>> ****
>>

>> The core group has been closely interacting with the GFWA. A contingent of
>> representatives from various GHS of the Neharpar Area, Faridabad
>> (including
>> member from Pranayam group) met the DGT&CP and apprised him of the plight
>> and ordeal the apartment buyers were facing as the cartel of Neharpar
>> developers have adopted pressurizing tactics to induce the plot and
>> apartment buyers to pay up their(developers') undue illegal demands in the
>> garb of additional EDC to the Govt. In their submission before the
>> authorities the apartment buyers' group brought out these points vividly.
>> The Director General Mr.T.C.Gupta after giving a patient hearing informed
>> the group that the authorities were considering to bring out a
>> notification
>> waiving-off the interest on additional demand on enhanced EDC from January
>> 2009 till the date of demand. He said, this waiver will give substantial
>> relief to all the apartment and plot buyers of Neharpar area. This apart,
>> he promised to conduct an audit of the builders' book of accounts and
>> document to assess whether they are collecting extra money from apartment
>> and plot buyers in the garb of additional payment on account of enhanced
>> EDC. For carrying out the audit/inspection Mr.Gupta requested for case
>> studies of at least 2 cases from each developer. Accordingly, a list was

>> forwarded to him by GFWA comprising 2-3 instances from each GHS.****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> The accounts team of DGT&CP came to audit/inspect the book of accounts of
>> builders with reference to cases referred to them. They spent 2 days 24th
>> and 25th Jan 2012 visiting the offices of all these developers, presumably
>> inspected their records vis a vis the cases GFWA team forwarded to them
>> and
>> other cases in random (as we were informed by them). Thereafter, the audit
>> team met up the contingent of representatives from various GHS at the DTP
>> office in Sector 12 Faridabad. The meeting was attended by representatives
>> from BPTP (plot owners), BPTP (various GHS apartment owners), Omaxe GHS,
>> Piyush GHS, RPS Savana, Puri-Pranayam,SPR, SRS, Uppal Builders, etc.
>> (Incidentally, Uppal Builders have not raised any additional charges
>> demand on account of enhanced EDC).The GHS groups had a prolonged meeting
>> of about 3-4 hours with the aforesaid accounts team on 25th Jan, 2012

>> evening.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> During the meeting all of us were informed by the authorities that :****
>>
>> 1. DGT&CP is shortly coming out with a notification waiving the demand

>> for interest from January 1, 2009. We were apprised that according to
>> this
>> notification interest will be payable by the developer if the
>> additional
>> amount on account of enhanced EDC is not made in time from the date of
>> demand notice. The effect will be that there will be substantial relief
>> due
>> to waiver of interest for 28 months; This notification is in the
>> reckoning

>> and expected very shortly, within a month's time,****
>> 2. DGT&CP is not pressing the developers to make the payment of

>> additional demand on account of enhanced EDC as the notification for

>> interest waiver is in the reckoning, and ****
>> 3. The audit team were also to verify whether the builders' demand

>> from customers (plot / apartment buyers) was in line with the demand
>> levied

>> by the DGT&CP. ****
>>
>> The representatives brought to the notice of the authorities that:****
>>
>> - Most of the builders were charging interest @ 15% and 18% (overdue)

>> from the buyers payable in one go whereas, they were making the payment
>> @
>> 9% and 15% (overdue) in 4 installments. Further, they were not passing
>> the
>> benefit of moratorium for 12 months granted to them by authorities to
>> the
>> buyers. This is one of the ways the builders were extorting excess
>> money
>> from apartment /plot buyers in the guise of additional payment on
>> account

>> of enhanced EDC.****
>> - Also, builders were charging additional amount on account of

>> enhanced EDC for the entire area of land without giving abatement for
>> the
>> areas like clubs, school/s, shopping centers, medical clinics, other
>> un-constructed area which they'll sell on a later date.It was brought
>> out
>> that these areas were under ownership of the builders and the buyers
>> were
>> specifically precluded to claim any ownership rights and title on these
>> areas vide clauses and specific annexure/s in the builder-buyer
>> agreement.
>> It was also pointed out that when the developer sells out these areas
>> to
>> third parties they would charge EDC at enhanced rate from the third
>> party

>> buyers as well, and pocket the amounts. ****
>> - Further, it was specifically stated that as the rates of EDC and IDC

>> are transparently available the builders are trying to play with the
>> total

>> saleable area and other financial tricks.****
>> - The responsibility of paying the EDC and IDC is basically that of

>> the builder and if any portion of the project remains unsold than, the
>> builder will not burden the rest of the buyers for the principal as
>> well as
>> interest amounts in the EDC and IDC relating to such unused / unsold
>> space.

>> ****
>> - As the builder could have paid the EDC and IDC in lumpsum within 30

>> days of the grant of licence but they opted to pay the same in multiple
>> equated installments for their own financial convenience therefore,
>> they
>> cannot pass the burden to the apartment buyers as that would be illegal
>> and

>> against the principle of natural justice.****
>> - Further,it was also submitted that that, whereas, all the builders

>> had collected practically 35% of the total dues at the time of booking,
>> they should have cleared all statutory financial dues first so that
>> the
>> interest burden is limited only upto the date of first payment by the
>> buyer
>> and not beyond. Instead, they either paid the dues substantially later
>> and
>> deliberately let the interest burden accumulate to be passed on to the

>> buyer, which is also illegal. ****
>> - It was also submitted that as the buyer paid EDC and IDC as per the

>> construction-linked payment plan scheme or lumpsum payment plan scheme
>> advertised by the builder therefore, the buyers were not responsible
>> for
>> either the installment plan for payment of the interest nor could they
>> be
>> held responsible for payment of the interest due to delays. It was
>> grossly
>> illegal to charge / load the buyers with the element of such interest

>> burden.****
>> - Any increase in the super area should be duly approved by the DGT&CP

>> and should be incorporated in the revised layout plan and only, than in
>> the

>> calculation of EDC and IDC.****
>> - It was pointed out that since the builders were enhancing the basic

>> sale price over the time scale they should absorb the cost of increased
>> construction of non FAR areas in the increased profit and not load the

>> burden on the buyer.****
>> - It was also submitted that one of the reasonsfor enhanced EDC is due

>> to huge outstanding / non-payment of EDC and IDC (even the old EDC and
>> IDC). Therefore, raising illegal demands taking opportunity of
>> enhanced
>> EDC charges is totally untenable in law and therefore, grossly a
>> criminal
>> offence. Hence, as per the norms of agreement between the DGT&CP and
>> builder, the DGT&CP should consider cancellation of the licences of the
>> builders and where the licence is due for renewal, the same should not
>> be

>> renewed.****
>> - Collection of extra amounts in excess of what is demanded by the
>> DGT&CP is grossly illegal.****

>>
>> Appropriate documented submissions were also made to the authorities and
>> we were assured by the authorities that the same will be considered by the

>> DGT&CP. ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Decision:****
>>
>> ****
>>

>> All those present in this meeting of Pranayam Apartment Buyers raised
>> their hand to confirm that none had paid the additional demand of PCL on
>> account of enhanced EDC, it was unanimously agreed that the group would
>> wait till the notification and further instruction from the authorities
>> in

>> this regard.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *II. ANY OTHER MATTER*****
>>
>> ****
>>

>> 1. Many members felt that an apartment buyers association must be

>> formed and a bank account should be opened so that the membership

>> subscription can be deposited for meeting the expenses. ****
>> 2. Some members expressed concern over the quality of construction

>> work done at "THE PRANAYAM" and certain others mentioned that the
>> builder-buyer agreement as well as the proposed maintenance agreements
>> are
>> one-sided totally favoring the builder's interest which must also be

>> looked-into by the proposed association.****
>> 3. One of the members present explained to the group that "THE

>> PRNAYAM" site is infested with local anti-social elements who do not
>> let
>> the apartment buyers to take photograph of the work done for their
>> respective towers as he had witnessed an incident when a local person
>> snatched-away the camera from one of the buyers and deleted

>> the photographs taken by him.****
>> 4. All present unanimously agreed that it is only with cohesive action

>> we could stop PCL from extracting undue and unjustified money demands
>> from

>> us, the apartment buyers.****
>> 5. Some members suggested that the group should re-visit the the
>> "increased area demand of PCL in 2010".****
>> 6. One of the members present informed that he regularly passes-by

>> "THE PRANAYAM" site area and updated that the EWS building structure
>> roof-casting has been done upto the 6th or 7th floor but brick-work of
>> that
>> building is not in place as yet. In his opinion the earliest occupancy
>> is
>> subject to completion of EWS building.He cited that as per the Haryana
>> Building By-laws,for the grant of occupancy certificate EWS units
>> should

>> stand fully constructed. ****
>> 7. Those present unanimously agreed that issues should be taken-up one

>> at a time with PCL. One of the members pointed out that all
>> communications

>> to PCL should only be by registered post or speed post.****
>> 8. All present were informed that a number of RTIs are pending and the

>> same are expected shortly. It was explained that there were no reason
>> to

>> meet-up PCL till we have substantial information in hand.****
>> 9. Some members felt that there is a greater need for participation
>> and volunteered to serve the group in various ways. ****
>> 10. It was unanimously voiced by all present that they will

>> participate to make the group stronger in the interest of all apartment
>> buyers and future neighbors of "THE PRANAYAM" , make it a wonderful
>> place
>> to live-in and, also make it the best address in the Greater Faridabad
>> Area.One of the members thanked the group for their continuous support
>> and

>> cooperation.****

>>
>> The meeting ended with great thanks to all present.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Regards****
>>
>> Papia****
>>
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[rattan whig]

Hi,

 

I request you to organize a meeting of the core group.  There are multiple members now who feel that thay have adequate suggestions to address this matter and other issues as well. 

 

If everyone's schedule permits, we can meet this coming weekend or the next weekend, preferably in the afternoon.  Please communicate the date & time as decided. 

Best Regards,

Rattan N Whig

 

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:56 PM, rattan whig <ratta...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for your email Subroto.

My point has been exactly the same, and I stated this same point
approx 2 months back.  We having paid 95% of the total project cost
must secure our tangible interest at the earliest.  The only rangible
interest in this whole thing is the possession of the flat.

We agree that there are reasons beyond the EDC issue that can delay
the possession.  No one is disputing that.  However, what kind of
logic is it to pile up one issue on top of the other and not resolve
the resolvable issues.  By doing so, we are just going to provide
another reason for possible delay in possession.

Sudipto, ramneek, pankaj, you and few others have also expressed

similar point of views.  However this is not going down well with

certain individuals who have formed an all pervading, autonomous body
called the core group.  Yet, we are not against this group or its
members or their actions.  All we are humbly and politely, time and
again requesting is that the point of views expressed by many members
must not be ignored.

Best Regards,
Rattan N Whig

On 2/1/12, sudipto chatterjee <sudipto...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>  ------------------------------

>>    1. I think our utmost emphasis to given on the earliest possession

>>    although I appreciate the effort is made to sort out the other issues
>> like
>>    EDC and Licencing part. But we must understand that we have already
>> paid

>>    95% of the total cost which is nothing less than *4.8-5 Mn* *which by
>>    any means is a huge money for any middle class family. *Now if we keep

>>    trying to address the other problems (which is genuine as well) and in
>> that
>>    process give chance to PCL to make us responsible for delayed
>> possession it
>>    would only help the builders.

>>    2. In the current situation most of us are incurring the cost of rent

>>    which is nothing less than 17-18K and also the EMI which is also around
>>    35-40K totaling up to appx 55-60K. Now if we keep fighting against the
>>    builder and not come to a solution which allow us to take possession
>>    earliest we will keep incurring above the cost for an infinite time
>> which
>>    actually at the end will cost us more what we might save by not paying
>> the
>>    enhance EDC (which is coming out to be Rs20/sqft as calculated by the
>> core
>>    group) right now. Actually this will give builder to buy time and play
>> the
>>    delay tactic.

>>    3. In India we all know any legal battle (say we go that way right a

>>    1. I am attaching the license document for all to see. Serial No. 367

>>    lists some area in sector 82 and 85 as PLOTTED. Therefore, we as
>> residents
>>    need more clarification. It is surprising that you moved with the
>>    assumption that whatever Puri is saying is correct when there is
>>    information in this document that is compelling me to question the
>> license.
>>    Without access to a copy of the official license I have no reason to
>> assume
>>    that what PCL is saying is right or wrong. I should at best be
>> critical. I
>>    hope you got my point. Also the long history of countrywide developer’s
>>    license in sectors that are not related to us is irrelevant here. Let
>> the
>>    residents go through the license document and draw their own
>> conclusions.

>>    2. Appreciate your unconvincing ‘gyan’ on management. The core group

>>    will take up issues as and when it deems fit. Individuals can only
>> suggest.

>>    3. What you call as your 'genuine' concern is surely not the concern

>>    of all residents. Further, the core group consists of some of the
>> finest
>>    professionals in their respective fields and surely do not need to
>> concern
>>    themselves on whether they are praised or not. Such expectations are
>> best
>>    left to the wannabes.

>>    4. The fact that the trust of residents has been compromised by a few

>>    on the increased area discussion is a fact. Many residents, who
>> attended
>>    the last meeting at IHC, had shared this opinion with me.

>>    5. Discussing on issues such as litigation etc. should not be done on

>>    the fly (Thankfully, you agreed on this).

>>    6. Any discussion on meetings with government officials should be

>>    addressed to GFWA. The core group is not authorized to speak on behalf
>> of
>>    the GFWA.
>>
>> Finally, let this be an end to this discussion that began with your mail.
>> At the end of the day individual residents will do what they feel is right
>> and so there is no reason why they should be presented with such unwanted
>> discourse. Let us keep our opinions to ourselves and do what we feel is
>> right. Only time will tell who was right.
>>
>> Tnx,
>>
>> AC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:41 AM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:
>>

>>  Hi Asim,****
>>
>> ** **

>>
>> Thanks for your email.  My responses are given below, point by point.
>> Please take the pain of going through my detailed responses, which I hope

>> are able to dispel the misrepresentation of facts.****
>>
>> ** **

>>
>> Going through your email and what you refer to as “facts”, the painful
>> ignorance is ever so revealing.  The various terms used, parochial,
>> cognitive dissonance, accused of creating unwanted tensions, putting words

>> in others mouths, whimsical opinion, etc are only profoundly misplaced.  *
>> ***
>>
>> ** **

>>
>> To all fellow members, let me again clarify that I am not against the
>> group, or any of its actions, or any of the members.  Sometimes, a
>> critical
>> opinion is a better opinion, and one must learn to take such opinions in
>> stride, no matter how contrary they may appear to be to the populist
>> stance.

>> ****
>>
>> ** **

>>
>> With all due respect to all members, I have only chosen to express a
>> different path for issue resolution.  I fail to understand the state of
>> mind which considers the path suggested to be against any one particular
>> member.  However if anyone still feels so, I personally appeal to ignore
>> my

>> suggestion.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Best Regards,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Rattan N Whig****
>>
>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>
>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Asim Chowdhury [mailto:asim.ch...@gmail.com]

>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:21 AM
>> *To:* Rattan Whig
>> *Cc:* amit...@elofic.com; ashish...@gmail.com;

>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012****
>>
>> ** **

>> communication structure.****

>>
>>
>> For your information, all mails sent by the core group is marked to the
>> mailing list and also sent to pranayam...@googlegroups.com just in
>> case we miss out on someone’s ID. All you need to do is to be in this
>> Google group.  Papia explained this by replying to me email yesterday and
>> I get the point.
>>

>> ****

>>
>> I am writing this mail to you since the mail was marked to all of us to
>> give you a point-by-point clarification on the issue, although this may
>> entail referring back to certain past developments. Please do not take
>> these personally.  Despite the desperate personal attacks, let’s get to

>> the points.  ****
>>
>>    1. For your information I am an active member of Pranayam and I was

>>    also present in the GFWA protest rally. I saw that you were present in
>> the
>>    rally. However, towards the end, when we were wrapping up the meeting
>> with
>>    the government officials it was only me and Mr Bidyutt were the only
>> two
>>    people from Pranayam who participated in the informal discussions with
>> the
>>    DC’s representative.  The GFWA members/records will very well reveal
>> this.
>>    Did I ever state that I attended the protest march rally from end to
>>    finish?  Or, is it even pertinent?  I was there to express my
>> solidarity
>>    for the cause, however I chose not to walk on the streets and went back
>> to

>>    attend to other pressing commitments.  ****

>>    2. Paying under protest is not a feasible option because once you pay

>>    have listed here.  *This is perhaps the most important point in your

>>    nature of facts, stated by you?  *
>>    3. Your anxiety about possession is understandable. All of us are

>>    well as earlier communications.****
>>    4. The core group which acts on behalf of the collective cause of

>>    Pranayam residents, let me assure you, is a very sensible group that
>>    functions in a transparent manner. So much so that we constantly invite
>>    everyone to come forward and help us in whatever way they can. It is
>> not a
>>    closed group with fixed boundaries; nor is anyone’s position supreme.
>> We
>>    have never taken decisions on the fly that are arbitrary and one-sided.
>>    This is unlike the past where in some instances a few had taken
>> decisions
>>    on behalf of Pranayam residents without consulting a larger group of
>>    residents. I would like to elaborate one such incident, which most
>>    residents have opined, is not acceptable to them. (I am elaborating
>> this in
>>    the next point).  Where have I stated anything to the contrary?  In
>>    all my emails, it’s been a constant point that my endeavor is not to
>>    question the core group / it’s actions.   However by the language and
>> tone
>>    of your email, it certainly appears that you are greatly irked at the
>>    nature of genuine concerns raised by someone who has chosen to differ
>> and

>>    not joined chorus with others in singing praises for the core group. **
>>    **
>>    5. Records available with the team show that you along with Pawan,

>>    getting so as well. ****
>>    6. I could not understand why you raked up the issue of litigation in

>>    your mail when I cannot recall a single instance when the core group
>> has
>>    discussed or for that matter even thought on these lines. Talking of
>>    litigation on the fly is unwarranted, particularly when no one is
>>    discussing or considering this. I failed to understand why this new
>> seed is
>>    being planted in everyone’s mind all of a sudden. I hope you will
>> desist
>>    from raking up such issues thoughtlessly, which I feel is akin to
>> putting
>>    words in the mouths of others.  The term litigation is loosely used
>>    and I do regret any particular inferences drawn from the same.  The
>> intent,
>>    I must once again state is not the provoke / instigate any  reaction
>> but
>>    the divert the attention to the most important single goal of
>> possession.
>>    To say that this is planting a seed, or putting words in the mouths of
>>    others is completely baseless as we are all prudent enough to
>> understand

>>    the consequences of civil litigations.****
>>    7. You have questioned the veracity of verbal statements made by the

>>    interests? ****
>>    8. The fact that discussions and patience can yield great results will

>>    be evident to you once you come to know what benefits the efforts of
>> GFWA
>>    has gathered for all Neherpar residents from the Haryana government.
>> What
>>    you are questioning Papiya here should be directed to the GFWA,
>> provided
>>    you have time.  I will be glad to do so, and do need more time to do
>>    so.  In directing my concerns to Papia / Bidyut, I approached only the

>>    people from whom we are receiving the details. ****
>>    9. In the last paragraph of your email, you made a passing remark (or

>>    which the core group functions.  ****

>> ****
>>
>>
>> Thnx,
>>
>> Asim Chowdhury
>>   ****
>>

>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:12 PM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:****

>>
>> Sending this email again from different ID as most of the people have not

>> received the original email sent from gmail****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Best Regards,****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Rattan N Whig****
>>
>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>
>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>
>>  ****
>>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message
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>> Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:28 PM
>> Subject: <amit...@elofic.com>; <ashish...@gmail.com>; <
>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in>; <amita...@yahoo.co.in>; <
>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in>; <ananta...@gmail.com>; <
>> arunjai...@gmail.com>; <arunam...@gmail.com>; <
>> amrit...@yahoo.com>; <atanu_sinha

>> To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>****

>>
>>
>> Sending this email again as many people did not recieve it the first time.

>> ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Best Regards,****
>>
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>> ---------- Forwarded message
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>> From: *rattan whig* <ratta...@gmail.com>

>> Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:40 AM
>> Subject: amit...@elofic.com, ashish...@gmail.com,
>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in, amita...@yahoo.co.in,
>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in, ananta...@gmail.com,
>> arunjai...@gmail.com,
>> arunam...@gmail.com, amrit...@yahoo.com, atanu...@hotmail.com,
>> anil.

>> To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>****
>>
>> Hi Papia,****
>>
>>  ****

>>
>> I was not marked on the original email sent by you & got this through
>> another member.  As in my previous emails, I have few points which have
>> not
>> been considered / clarified enough, and which in my opinion deserve

>> adequate attention.****
>>
>>  ****

>>
>> At the onset to prevent any misunderstanding like earlier, let me clarify,
>> a) that I am writing this email in my individual capacity and not as
>> representative of any group, b) that my sole intent is timely possession
>> of
>> the flat, and c) that I am not against any one or any action proposed by
>> any one, till the time that the said action or person goes against the

>> purpose of securing timely possession of the units.****
>>
>>  ****

>>
>> First, I will like to make it a point that I am not copied on any of your
>> emails.  I attended one of the first meetings on this subject held in
>> India
>> Habitat Center and was present with Bidyut at the Faridabad protest march
>> and I requested to be included in your emails whenever we met in any such
>> forums.  I understand that this is your prerogative and you can decide who
>> should be included, hence can only request to keep me involved, or at
>> least
>> informed.  As a flat owner I guess I have an interest in your pursuit of

>> this collective cause.  In case you opine otherwise, its fine as well.  **
>> **
>>
>>  ****

>>
>> Now coming to the main points raised in your email below.  I have always
>> maintained and still do feel that the best course is to pay the EDC demand
>> and later decide on the legal intricacies.  This may seem bewildering to a

>> few, let me explain why it’s not.****
>>
>>  ****

>>
>> First, we shall of course pay the demand under protest.  Second, we can
>> pay the demand in different ways, either as one consolidated payment in
>> the
>> manner it has been demanded, or segregated as two different payments, for
>> “Interest” and “Principal”, which break up we can always ask PCL to
>> provide
>> us.  This will also settle one of our main contentions regarding the
>> breakup of the demand raised by PCL for enhanced EDC payment.  We may
>> suggest that the demand for “principal” component of EDC be paid up front,
>> while payment demand for “interest” component can be kept in abeyance or
>> through post dated cheque, pending the decision by government / regulators

>> as indicated in your email below. ****
>>
>>  ****

>>
>> Third, perhaps most significantly, we must note that protest is not a
>> viable option for many members.  People who continue to stay on rent
>> realize the pinch each month.  This can be avoided by gaining timely
>> possession.  The debatable amount of EDC erroneously calculated by the
>> builder is evidently offset against the additional rent being paid and to
>> be paid in the coming months, which can be avoided in case completion
>> certificate is delayed by the government / regulators on grounds of EDC
>> payment not being cleared by the builder.  Now, whether the balance
>> outstanding on EDC payment is on account of current increment in EDC rates
>> or previous EDC demands raised on the builder and not met, is really a non
>> issue.  Back of the envelope calculation tell that even in case 50% of the
>> total EDC demand is erroneous, the same is less than 6 months’ rent paid

>> out by one.****
>>
>>  ****

>>
>> Litigation as an option to resolve any dispute is not really an option
>> that we should consider.  While there are strong examples like the recent
>> DLF Belair apartment case, which sound and look great, through careful
>> introspection one cannot help but notice that the judgment has not
>> alleviated the condition of apartment owners.  How much portion out of the
>> total fine levied on the builder has been apportioned among the apartment
>> buyers?  Has the judgment, which is under appeal, stopped DLF or any other
>> builder from using incomprehensible language in the agreements with

>> individual purchasers?    ****
>>
>>  ****

>>
>> Fourth, during the multiple meetings with DGT&CP, auditing of builders’
>> records, etc, out of the numerous encouraging statements mentioned in the
>> email below, has anything been undertaken in writing by any government
>> body?  If yes, then what’s the sanctity of such documents and is it
>> binding
>> on the builder?  If no, then shall we even consider those verbal
>> statements
>> which can easily change within minutes due to various external factors
>> including but not limited to transfer of officials (case in point, Noida

>> authority chairman was changed 4 times within one month)?   ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> I believe we must answer these & other questions before proceeding.****
>>
>>  ****

>>
>> On the other points regarding PCL not meeting desired standards or
>> defaulting from its commitment, the best way & perhaps only way forward is
>> through dialog.  I am not a diplomat, neither am I averse to taking risks,
>> however before taking any recourse one must weigh the pros and cons, sort
>> of do a cost benefit analysis.  In this case, if one looks objectively,
>> cost is significantly higher than the benefits one hopes to realize.  I
>> must stress any benefits that are being proposed must be classified as
>> tangible & intangible.  Intangible benefits that don’t translate in to any
>> real outcome must be ignored.  We must keep our individual egos aside,
>> sort
>> of leave emotions at the door, as these will only jeopardize the entire

>> future.  ****
>>
>>  ****

>>
>> I have not paid the EDC demand currently & shall only do so with the
>> group.  It’s not my intention to cause a rift within the group, only to
>> ensure that collective benefits are realized first and any individual
>> benefits don’t take priority.  My humble opinion as mentioned above, lets

>> take a wise collective decision and avoid any dispute at this stage. ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Best Regards,****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Rattan N Whig****
>>
>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>
>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>
>>  ****

>>
>>

>> -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON
>> 26.01.2012 From: "R.Kapur" To: papiabha...@gmail.com CC:

>> amit...@elofic.com,ashish...@gmail.com,ashoow...@yahoo.co.in,
>> amita...@yahoo.co.in,anand_...@yahoo.co.in,ananta...@gmail.com,
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>> ban...@gmail.com,csatr...@yahoo.com,ccnph...@gmail.com,
>> contact...@yahoo.com,charn...@gmail.com,chauhan....@gmail.com,
>> cap...@gmail.com,dane...@gmail.com,dhane...@gmail.com,
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>> dennis.th...@gmail.com,damera...@gmail.com,damera...@yahoo.com

>> ,deepak...@bankofamerica.com,dco...@gmail.com ****
>>
>> *'BRAVO'*

>>

>> I totally support the decision taken in the meeting and would like to join
>> the association immediately on its formation.
>>
>> kind regards,
>>

>> Ravi ****

>>
>>  On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Papia Bhatachaarji <

>> papiabha...@gmail.com> wrote:****
>>
>> Dear All ****
>>
>>  ****
>>

>> Here's the Minutes of the Meeting held on January 26, 2012:****
>>
>>  ****

>>
>> *I.        DISCUSSION ON ADDITIONAL PAYMENT ON ACCOUNT OF ENHANCED EDC****
>> *
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> *Recap*****
>>
>>  ****
>>

>> The meeting started with recap of the earlier events:****
>>
>>    -  In late September 2011 PCL issued demand notice for additional EDC;*
>>    ***
>>    - We met on the 16th of October, 2011 and unanimously agreed to ask

>>    PCL to provide us a copy of the demand raised by the DGT&CP including

>>    calculations of additional EDC, details of EDC paid,etc. ****
>>    - We sent individual letters and submitted a group memorandum to PCL***
>>    *
>>    - PCL did not provide us full information. they only provided us

>>    calculation on EDC and calculation of additional amount payable on
>> account
>>    of enhanced EDC on plain A4 sheets of paper but neither did they sent
>> to us
>>    either the demand notice received from DGT&CP nor, did they furnish the

>>    date-wise duly audited details of EDC paid  ****

>>    - We again sent intimation individually and group representation

>>    asking PCL to provide the said documents on their letterhead duly
>> signed by

>>    a senior managerial person****
>>    - PCL sent us signed copy of detailed EDC calculation, signed copy of

>>    additional EDC calculation but did not send us the audited copy of EDC
>> paid

>>    disclosing dates on which EDC paid, etc. ****
>>    - We got the DGT&CP's computation of additional amount on account of
>>    enhanced EDC in case of OMAXE project.****
>>    - We met PCL team which included Mr.Arjun Puri. PCL team claimed that

>>    they have not received any demand / computation from DGT&CP except that
>>    they dug out the one-page demand notice (only the covering letter) from
>>    Countrywide Promoters office. He mentioned that he'll write to DGT&CP
>>    requesting them to send the demand raised in PCL's name and also
>> request
>>    them to waive the interest on enhanced EDC upto the date of receipt of
>> the
>>    revised demand letter . This apart, the PCL team could not show us
>>    sufficient evidence to satisfy our queries. (please refer MOM of the
>> PCL

>>    meeting circulated earlier)****
>>    - Mr.Arjun Puri called up one of the members to inform that PCL has

>>    sent the letter to DGT&CP and has an acknowledgement from DGT&CP in
>> record.

>>    ****
>>    - As agreed during the meeting with PCL, the core group finalized the

>>    MOM of their meeting with PCL and sent it to Arjun Puri to sign. Arjun
>> Puri

>>    refused saying that he did not agree with the MOM****
>>    - Core group requested PCL/ Kaushik Sengupta to provide computation of

>>    interest on Enhanced EDC. Inspite of several reminders the same  has
>> not

>>    been provided till date by PCL.****
>>    - Mohinder Puri wrote a letter to some apartment buyers asking them to

>>    pay-up the enhanced EDC demand failing which inspection of apartment
>> will

>>    not be allowed.****
>>
>> *Meetings With DGT&CP Officials*****
>>
>>  ****

>>

>> The core group has been closely interacting with the GFWA. A contingent of
>> representatives from various GHS of the Neharpar Area, Faridabad
>> (including
>> member from Pranayam group) met the DGT&CP and apprised him of the plight
>> and ordeal the apartment buyers were facing as the cartel of Neharpar
>> developers have adopted pressurizing tactics to induce the plot and
>> apartment buyers to pay up their(developers') undue illegal demands in the
>> garb of additional EDC to the Govt. In their submission before the
>> authorities the apartment buyers' group brought  out these points vividly.
>> The Director General Mr.T.C.Gupta after giving a patient hearing informed
>> the group that the authorities were considering to bring out a
>> notification
>> waiving-off the interest on additional demand on enhanced EDC from January
>> 2009 till the date of demand. He said, this waiver will give substantial
>> relief to all the apartment and plot buyers of Neharpar area. This apart,
>>  he promised to conduct an audit of the builders' book of accounts and
>> document to assess whether they are collecting extra money from apartment
>> and plot buyers in the garb of additional payment on account of enhanced
>> EDC. For carrying out the audit/inspection Mr.Gupta requested for case
>> studies of at least 2 cases from each developer. Accordingly, a list was

>> forwarded to him by  GFWA  comprising  2-3 instances from each GHS.****
>>
>>  ****

>>
>> The accounts team of DGT&CP came to audit/inspect the book of accounts of
>> builders with reference to cases referred to them. They spent 2 days 24th
>> and 25th Jan 2012 visiting the offices of all these developers, presumably

>> inspected their records vis a vis the cases GFWA team forwarded to them
>> and

>> other cases in random (as we were informed by them). Thereafter, the audit
>> team met up the contingent of representatives from various GHS at the DTP
>> office in Sector 12 Faridabad. The meeting was attended by representatives
>> from BPTP (plot owners), BPTP (various GHS apartment owners), Omaxe GHS,
>> Piyush GHS, RPS Savana, Puri-Pranayam,SPR, SRS, Uppal Builders, etc.
>> (Incidentally,  Uppal Builders have not raised any additional charges
>> demand on account of enhanced EDC).The GHS groups had a prolonged meeting
>> of about 3-4 hours with the aforesaid accounts team on 25th Jan, 2012

>> evening.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> During the meeting all of us were informed by the authorities that :****
>>
>>    1. DGT&CP is shortly coming out with a notification waiving the demand

>>    for interest from January 1, 2009. We were apprised that according to
>> this
>>    notification interest will be payable by the developer if the

>> additional

>>    amount on account of enhanced EDC is not made in time from the date of
>>    demand notice. The effect will be that there will be substantial relief
>> due
>>    to waiver of interest for 28 months; This notification is in the
>> reckoning

>>    and expected very shortly, within a month's time,****
>>    2. DGT&CP is not pressing the developers to make the payment of

>>    additional demand on account of enhanced EDC as the notification for

>>    interest waiver is in the reckoning, and  ****
>>    3. The audit team were also to verify whether the builders' demand

>>    from customers (plot / apartment buyers) was in line with the demand
>> levied

>>    by the DGT&CP. ****
>>
>> The representatives brought to the notice of the authorities that:****
>>
>>    - Most of the builders were charging interest @ 15%  and 18% (overdue)

>>    from the buyers payable in one go whereas, they were making the payment
>> @
>>    9% and 15% (overdue) in 4 installments. Further, they were not passing
>> the
>>    benefit of moratorium for 12 months granted to them by authorities to
>> the
>>    buyers. This is one of the ways the builders were extorting excess
>> money
>>    from apartment /plot buyers in the guise of additional payment on
>> account

>>    of enhanced EDC.****
>>    - Also, builders were charging additional amount on account of

>>    enhanced EDC for the entire area of land without giving abatement for
>> the
>>    areas like clubs, school/s, shopping centers, medical clinics, other
>>    un-constructed area  which they'll sell on a later date.It was brought
>> out
>>    that these areas were under ownership of the builders and the buyers
>> were
>>    specifically precluded to claim any ownership rights and title on these
>>    areas vide clauses and specific annexure/s in the builder-buyer
>> agreement.

>>    It was also pointed out that when the developer sells out these areas
>> to

>>    third parties they would charge EDC at enhanced rate from the third
>> party

>>    buyers as well, and pocket the amounts. ****
>>    - Further, it was specifically stated that as the rates of EDC and IDC

>>    are transparently available the builders are trying to play with the
>> total

>>    saleable area and other financial tricks.****
>>    - The responsibility of paying the EDC and IDC is basically that of

>>    the builder and if any portion of the project remains unsold than, the
>>    builder will not burden the rest of the buyers for the principal as
>> well as
>>    interest amounts in the EDC and IDC relating to such unused / unsold
>> space.

>>    ****
>>    - As the builder could have paid the EDC and IDC in lumpsum within 30

>>    days of the grant of licence but they opted to pay the same in multiple
>>    equated installments for their own financial convenience therefore,
>> they
>>    cannot pass the burden to the apartment buyers as that would be illegal
>> and

>>    against the principle of natural justice.****
>>    - Further,it was also submitted that that, whereas, all the builders

>>    had collected practically 35% of the total dues at the time of booking,
>>     they should have  cleared all statutory financial dues first so that
>> the
>>    interest burden is limited only upto the date of first payment by the
>> buyer
>>    and not beyond. Instead, they either paid the dues substantially later
>> and
>>    deliberately let the interest burden accumulate to be passed on to the

>>    buyer, which is also illegal. ****
>>    - It was also submitted that as the buyer paid EDC and IDC as per the

>>    construction-linked payment plan scheme or lumpsum payment plan scheme
>>    advertised by the builder therefore, the buyers were not responsible
>> for
>>    either the installment plan for payment of the interest nor could they
>> be
>>    held responsible for payment of the interest due to delays. It was
>> grossly
>>    illegal to charge / load the buyers with the element of such interest

>>    burden.****
>>    - Any increase in the super area should be duly approved by the DGT&CP

>>    and should be incorporated in the revised layout plan and only, than in
>> the

>>    calculation of EDC and IDC.****
>>    - It was pointed out that since the builders were enhancing the basic

>>    sale price over the time scale they should absorb the cost of increased
>>    construction of non FAR areas in the increased profit and not load the

>>    burden on the buyer.****
>>    - It was also submitted that one of the reasonsfor enhanced EDC is due

>>    to huge outstanding / non-payment of EDC and IDC (even the old EDC and
>>    IDC). Therefore, raising illegal  demands taking opportunity of
>> enhanced
>>    EDC charges is totally untenable in law and therefore, grossly a
>> criminal
>>    offence. Hence, as per the norms of agreement between the DGT&CP and
>>    builder, the DGT&CP should consider cancellation of the licences of the
>>    builders and where the licence is due for renewal, the same should not
>> be

>>    renewed.****
>>    - Collection of extra amounts in excess of what is demanded by the
>>    DGT&CP is grossly illegal.****

>>
>>  Appropriate documented submissions were also made to the authorities and
>> we were assured by the authorities that the same will be considered by the

>> DGT&CP. ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Decision:****
>>
>>  ****

>>

>> All those present in this meeting of Pranayam Apartment Buyers raised
>> their hand to confirm that none had paid the additional demand of PCL on
>> account of enhanced EDC, it was unanimously agreed that the group would
>>  wait till the notification and further instruction from the authorities
>> in

>> this regard.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> *II.     ANY OTHER MATTER*****
>>
>>  ****
>>

>>    1. Many members felt that an apartment buyers association must be

>>    formed and a bank account should be opened so that the membership

>>    subscription can be deposited for meeting the expenses. ****
>>    2. Some members expressed concern over the quality of construction

>>    work done at "THE PRANAYAM" and certain others mentioned that the
>>    builder-buyer agreement as well as the proposed maintenance agreements
>> are
>>    one-sided totally favoring the builder's interest which must also be

>>    looked-into by the proposed association.****
>>    3. One of the members present explained to the group that "THE

>>    PRNAYAM" site is infested with local anti-social elements who do not
>> let
>>    the apartment buyers to take photograph of the work done for their
>>    respective towers as he had witnessed an incident when a local  person
>>    snatched-away the camera from one of the buyers and deleted

>>    the photographs taken by him.****
>>    4. All present unanimously agreed that it is only with cohesive action

>>    we could stop PCL from extracting undue and unjustified money demands
>> from

>>    us, the apartment buyers.****
>>    5. Some members suggested that the group should re-visit the the
>>    "increased area demand of PCL in 2010".****
>>    6. One of the members present informed that he regularly passes-by

>>    "THE PRANAYAM" site area and updated that the EWS building structure
>>    roof-casting has been done upto the 6th or 7th floor but brick-work of
>> that
>>    building is not in place as yet. In his opinion the earliest occupancy
>> is
>>    subject to completion of EWS building.He cited that as per the Haryana
>>    Building By-laws,for the grant of occupancy certificate EWS units
>> should

>>    stand fully constructed. ****
>>    7. Those present unanimously agreed that issues should be taken-up one

>>    at a time with PCL. One of the members pointed out that all
>> communications

>>    to PCL should only be by registered post or speed post.****
>>    8. All present were informed that a number of RTIs are pending and the

>>    same are expected shortly. It was explained that there were no reason
>> to

>>    meet-up PCL till we have substantial information in hand.****
>>    9. Some members felt that there is a greater need for participation
>>    and volunteered to serve the group in various ways.  ****
>>    10.  It was unanimously voiced by all present that they will

>>    participate to make the group stronger in the interest of all apartment
>>    buyers and future neighbors of  "THE PRANAYAM" , make it a wonderful
>> place
>>    to live-in  and, also make it the best address in the Greater Faridabad
>>    Area.One of the members thanked the group for their continuous support
>> and

>>    cooperation.****

>>
>> The meeting ended with great thanks to all present.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Regards****
>>
>> Papia****
>>
>>  ****

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[rattan whig]

Hi Sudipto,

 

thanks for your suggestion / point of views expressed below.  This is exactly my point of view as well.  I have expressed similar views in one of the first emails I wrote on this subject around 1 - 1.5 month back, and something I reiterated day before yesterday in my email again.

 

The same point has also been expressed by other few members as well.  Possession should get the top priority as all members having invested 95% of the total project value are going to be the true losers in case of any delay.  The idea is, as expressed by you, to deal with one issue at a time and not give PCL any additional option for delaying the possession.  That many members are reeling under double impact of EMI and rental accomodation makes the need of an early possession even more urgent.

 

However, I have been accused of parochial views, incorrect opinions, and being an agent of PCL (yes, thats right).  Being an agent of PCL for taking further the cause of many members in the group!!  Being an agent of PCL for stating my views freely and for not showering praises on the core group!!!

 

The core group is, by their own admission, an autonomous body, which shall take actions on its own, and members can only suggest and not participate in any other way. 

 

The demands from members especially of an early possession are being negated and disregarded by the core group. 

 

Through this email, I once again appeal to the core group to hold each members suggestions as valid expressions of interest and to treat those in like way.  I am not against the core group, just dont agree with the functioning and the disregard for members' genuine concerns.

 

Best Regards,

Rattan N Whig

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:26 PM, sudipto chatterjee <sudipto...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Best Regards,

 

Rattan N Whig

# 9811210342

[ratta...@wipro.com]

[rattan whig]

Thanks for your email Subroto.

My point has been exactly the same, and I stated this same point
approx 2 months back. We having paid 95% of the total project cost
must secure our tangible interest at the earliest. The only rangible
interest in this whole thing is the possession of the flat.

We agree that there are reasons beyond the EDC issue that can delay
the possession. No one is disputing that. However, what kind of
logic is it to pile up one issue on top of the other and not resolve
the resolvable issues. By doing so, we are just going to provide
another reason for possible delay in possession.

Sudipto, ramneek, pankaj, you and few others have also expressed
similar point of views. However this is not going down well with
certain individuals who have formed an all pervading, autonomous body
called the core group. Yet, we are not against this group or its
members or their actions. All we are humbly and politely, time and
again requesting is that the point of views expressed by many members
must not be ignored.

Best Regards,
Rattan N Whig

On 2/1/12, sudipto chatterjee <sudipto...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> ------------------------------

>> 1. I think our utmost emphasis to given on the earliest possession

>> although I appreciate the effort is made to sort out the other issues
>> like
>> EDC and Licencing part. But we must understand that we have already
>> paid

>> 95% of the total cost which is nothing less than *4.8-5 Mn* *which by
>> any means is a huge money for any middle class family. *Now if we keep

>> trying to address the other problems (which is genuine as well) and in
>> that
>> process give chance to PCL to make us responsible for delayed
>> possession it
>> would only help the builders.

>> 2. In the current situation most of us are incurring the cost of rent

>> which is nothing less than 17-18K and also the EMI which is also around
>> 35-40K totaling up to appx 55-60K. Now if we keep fighting against the
>> builder and not come to a solution which allow us to take possession
>> earliest we will keep incurring above the cost for an infinite time
>> which
>> actually at the end will cost us more what we might save by not paying
>> the
>> enhance EDC (which is coming out to be Rs20/sqft as calculated by the
>> core
>> group) right now. Actually this will give builder to buy time and play
>> the
>> delay tactic.

>> 3. In India we all know any legal battle (say we go that way right a

>> 1. I am attaching the license document for all to see. Serial No. 367

>> lists some area in sector 82 and 85 as PLOTTED. Therefore, we as
>> residents
>> need more clarification. It is surprising that you moved with the
>> assumption that whatever Puri is saying is correct when there is
>> information in this document that is compelling me to question the
>> license.
>> Without access to a copy of the official license I have no reason to
>> assume
>> that what PCL is saying is right or wrong. I should at best be
>> critical. I
>> hope you got my point. Also the long history of countrywide developer’s
>> license in sectors that are not related to us is irrelevant here. Let
>> the
>> residents go through the license document and draw their own
>> conclusions.

>> 2. Appreciate your unconvincing ‘gyan’ on management. The core group

>> will take up issues as and when it deems fit. Individuals can only
>> suggest.

>> 3. What you call as your 'genuine' concern is surely not the concern

>> of all residents. Further, the core group consists of some of the
>> finest
>> professionals in their respective fields and surely do not need to
>> concern
>> themselves on whether they are praised or not. Such expectations are
>> best
>> left to the wannabes.

>> 4. The fact that the trust of residents has been compromised by a few

>> on the increased area discussion is a fact. Many residents, who
>> attended
>> the last meeting at IHC, had shared this opinion with me.

>> 5. Discussing on issues such as litigation etc. should not be done on

>> the fly (Thankfully, you agreed on this).

>> 6. Any discussion on meetings with government officials should be

>> addressed to GFWA. The core group is not authorized to speak on behalf
>> of
>> the GFWA.
>>
>> Finally, let this be an end to this discussion that began with your mail.
>> At the end of the day individual residents will do what they feel is right
>> and so there is no reason why they should be presented with such unwanted
>> discourse. Let us keep our opinions to ourselves and do what we feel is
>> right. Only time will tell who was right.
>>
>> Tnx,
>>
>> AC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:41 AM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:
>>

>> Hi Asim,****
>>
>> ** **

>>
>> Thanks for your email. My responses are given below, point by point.
>> Please take the pain of going through my detailed responses, which I hope

>> are able to dispel the misrepresentation of facts.****
>>
>> ** **

>>
>> Going through your email and what you refer to as “facts”, the painful
>> ignorance is ever so revealing. The various terms used, parochial,
>> cognitive dissonance, accused of creating unwanted tensions, putting words

>> in others mouths, whimsical opinion, etc are only profoundly misplaced. *
>> ***
>>
>> ** **

>>
>> To all fellow members, let me again clarify that I am not against the
>> group, or any of its actions, or any of the members. Sometimes, a
>> critical
>> opinion is a better opinion, and one must learn to take such opinions in
>> stride, no matter how contrary they may appear to be to the populist
>> stance.

>> ****
>>
>> ** **

>>
>> With all due respect to all members, I have only chosen to express a
>> different path for issue resolution. I fail to understand the state of
>> mind which considers the path suggested to be against any one particular
>> member. However if anyone still feels so, I personally appeal to ignore
>> my

>> suggestion.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Best Regards,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Rattan N Whig****
>>
>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>
>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Asim Chowdhury [mailto:asim.ch...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:21 AM
>> *To:* Rattan Whig

>> *Cc:* amit...@elofic.com; ashish...@gmail.com;

>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012****
>>
>> ** **

>> communication structure.****

>>
>>
>> For your information, all mails sent by the core group is marked to the
>> mailing list and also sent to pranayam...@googlegroups.com just in
>> case we miss out on someone’s ID. All you need to do is to be in this
>> Google group. Papia explained this by replying to me email yesterday and
>> I get the point.
>>

>> ****

>>
>> I am writing this mail to you since the mail was marked to all of us to
>> give you a point-by-point clarification on the issue, although this may
>> entail referring back to certain past developments. Please do not take
>> these personally. Despite the desperate personal attacks, let’s get to

>> the points. ****
>>
>> 1. For your information I am an active member of Pranayam and I was

>> also present in the GFWA protest rally. I saw that you were present in
>> the
>> rally. However, towards the end, when we were wrapping up the meeting
>> with
>> the government officials it was only me and Mr Bidyutt were the only
>> two
>> people from Pranayam who participated in the informal discussions with
>> the
>> DC’s representative. The GFWA members/records will very well reveal
>> this.
>> Did I ever state that I attended the protest march rally from end to
>> finish? Or, is it even pertinent? I was there to express my
>> solidarity
>> for the cause, however I chose not to walk on the streets and went back
>> to

>> attend to other pressing commitments. ****
>> 2. Paying under protest is not a feasible option because once you pay

>> have listed here. *This is perhaps the most important point in your

>> nature of facts, stated by you? *
>> 3. Your anxiety about possession is understandable. All of us are

>> well as earlier communications.****
>> 4. The core group which acts on behalf of the collective cause of

>> Pranayam residents, let me assure you, is a very sensible group that
>> functions in a transparent manner. So much so that we constantly invite
>> everyone to come forward and help us in whatever way they can. It is
>> not a
>> closed group with fixed boundaries; nor is anyone’s position supreme.
>> We
>> have never taken decisions on the fly that are arbitrary and one-sided.
>> This is unlike the past where in some instances a few had taken
>> decisions
>> on behalf of Pranayam residents without consulting a larger group of
>> residents. I would like to elaborate one such incident, which most
>> residents have opined, is not acceptable to them. (I am elaborating
>> this in
>> the next point). Where have I stated anything to the contrary? In
>> all my emails, it’s been a constant point that my endeavor is not to
>> question the core group / it’s actions. However by the language and
>> tone
>> of your email, it certainly appears that you are greatly irked at the
>> nature of genuine concerns raised by someone who has chosen to differ
>> and

>> not joined chorus with others in singing praises for the core group. **
>> **
>> 5. Records available with the team show that you along with Pawan,

>> getting so as well. ****
>> 6. I could not understand why you raked up the issue of litigation in

>> your mail when I cannot recall a single instance when the core group
>> has
>> discussed or for that matter even thought on these lines. Talking of
>> litigation on the fly is unwarranted, particularly when no one is
>> discussing or considering this. I failed to understand why this new
>> seed is
>> being planted in everyone’s mind all of a sudden. I hope you will
>> desist
>> from raking up such issues thoughtlessly, which I feel is akin to
>> putting
>> words in the mouths of others. The term litigation is loosely used
>> and I do regret any particular inferences drawn from the same. The
>> intent,
>> I must once again state is not the provoke / instigate any reaction
>> but
>> the divert the attention to the most important single goal of
>> possession.
>> To say that this is planting a seed, or putting words in the mouths of
>> others is completely baseless as we are all prudent enough to
>> understand

>> the consequences of civil litigations.****
>> 7. You have questioned the veracity of verbal statements made by the

>> interests? ****
>> 8. The fact that discussions and patience can yield great results will

>> be evident to you once you come to know what benefits the efforts of
>> GFWA
>> has gathered for all Neherpar residents from the Haryana government.
>> What
>> you are questioning Papiya here should be directed to the GFWA,
>> provided
>> you have time. I will be glad to do so, and do need more time to do
>> so. In directing my concerns to Papia / Bidyut, I approached only the

>> people from whom we are receiving the details. ****
>> 9. In the last paragraph of your email, you made a passing remark (or

>> which the core group functions. ****

>> ****
>>
>>
>> Thnx,
>>
>> Asim Chowdhury
>> ****
>>

>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:12 PM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:****

>>
>> Sending this email again from different ID as most of the people have not

>> received the original email sent from gmail****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Best Regards,****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Rattan N Whig****
>>
>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>
>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>

>> ---------- Forwarded message
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: *rattan whig* <ratta...@gmail.com>

>> Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:28 PM
>> Subject: <amit...@elofic.com>; <ashish...@gmail.com>; <
>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in>; <amita...@yahoo.co.in>; <
>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in>; <ananta...@gmail.com>; <
>> arunjai...@gmail.com>; <arunam...@gmail.com>; <
>> amrit...@yahoo.com>; <atanu_sinha

>> To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>****

>>
>>
>> Sending this email again as many people did not recieve it the first time.

>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Best Regards,****
>>
>> ****
>>
>>
>> ****
>>

>> ---------- Forwarded message
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: *rattan whig* <ratta...@gmail.com>

>> Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:40 AM
>> Subject: amit...@elofic.com, ashish...@gmail.com,
>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in, amita...@yahoo.co.in,
>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in, ananta...@gmail.com,
>> arunjai...@gmail.com,
>> arunam...@gmail.com, amrit...@yahoo.com, atanu...@hotmail.com,
>> anil.

>> To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>****
>>
>> Hi Papia,****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> I was not marked on the original email sent by you & got this through
>> another member. As in my previous emails, I have few points which have
>> not
>> been considered / clarified enough, and which in my opinion deserve

>> adequate attention.****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> At the onset to prevent any misunderstanding like earlier, let me clarify,
>> a) that I am writing this email in my individual capacity and not as
>> representative of any group, b) that my sole intent is timely possession
>> of
>> the flat, and c) that I am not against any one or any action proposed by
>> any one, till the time that the said action or person goes against the

>> purpose of securing timely possession of the units.****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> First, I will like to make it a point that I am not copied on any of your
>> emails. I attended one of the first meetings on this subject held in
>> India
>> Habitat Center and was present with Bidyut at the Faridabad protest march
>> and I requested to be included in your emails whenever we met in any such
>> forums. I understand that this is your prerogative and you can decide who
>> should be included, hence can only request to keep me involved, or at
>> least
>> informed. As a flat owner I guess I have an interest in your pursuit of

>> this collective cause. In case you opine otherwise, its fine as well. **
>> **
>>
>> ****

>>
>> Now coming to the main points raised in your email below. I have always
>> maintained and still do feel that the best course is to pay the EDC demand
>> and later decide on the legal intricacies. This may seem bewildering to a

>> few, let me explain why it’s not.****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> First, we shall of course pay the demand under protest. Second, we can
>> pay the demand in different ways, either as one consolidated payment in
>> the
>> manner it has been demanded, or segregated as two different payments, for
>> “Interest” and “Principal”, which break up we can always ask PCL to
>> provide
>> us. This will also settle one of our main contentions regarding the
>> breakup of the demand raised by PCL for enhanced EDC payment. We may
>> suggest that the demand for “principal” component of EDC be paid up front,
>> while payment demand for “interest” component can be kept in abeyance or
>> through post dated cheque, pending the decision by government / regulators

>> as indicated in your email below. ****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> Third, perhaps most significantly, we must note that protest is not a
>> viable option for many members. People who continue to stay on rent
>> realize the pinch each month. This can be avoided by gaining timely
>> possession. The debatable amount of EDC erroneously calculated by the
>> builder is evidently offset against the additional rent being paid and to
>> be paid in the coming months, which can be avoided in case completion
>> certificate is delayed by the government / regulators on grounds of EDC
>> payment not being cleared by the builder. Now, whether the balance
>> outstanding on EDC payment is on account of current increment in EDC rates
>> or previous EDC demands raised on the builder and not met, is really a non
>> issue. Back of the envelope calculation tell that even in case 50% of the
>> total EDC demand is erroneous, the same is less than 6 months’ rent paid

>> out by one.****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> Litigation as an option to resolve any dispute is not really an option
>> that we should consider. While there are strong examples like the recent
>> DLF Belair apartment case, which sound and look great, through careful
>> introspection one cannot help but notice that the judgment has not
>> alleviated the condition of apartment owners. How much portion out of the
>> total fine levied on the builder has been apportioned among the apartment
>> buyers? Has the judgment, which is under appeal, stopped DLF or any other
>> builder from using incomprehensible language in the agreements with

>> individual purchasers? ****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> Fourth, during the multiple meetings with DGT&CP, auditing of builders’
>> records, etc, out of the numerous encouraging statements mentioned in the
>> email below, has anything been undertaken in writing by any government
>> body? If yes, then what’s the sanctity of such documents and is it
>> binding
>> on the builder? If no, then shall we even consider those verbal
>> statements
>> which can easily change within minutes due to various external factors
>> including but not limited to transfer of officials (case in point, Noida

>> authority chairman was changed 4 times within one month)? ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I believe we must answer these & other questions before proceeding.****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> On the other points regarding PCL not meeting desired standards or
>> defaulting from its commitment, the best way & perhaps only way forward is
>> through dialog. I am not a diplomat, neither am I averse to taking risks,
>> however before taking any recourse one must weigh the pros and cons, sort
>> of do a cost benefit analysis. In this case, if one looks objectively,
>> cost is significantly higher than the benefits one hopes to realize. I
>> must stress any benefits that are being proposed must be classified as
>> tangible & intangible. Intangible benefits that don’t translate in to any
>> real outcome must be ignored. We must keep our individual egos aside,
>> sort
>> of leave emotions at the door, as these will only jeopardize the entire

>> future. ****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> I have not paid the EDC demand currently & shall only do so with the
>> group. It’s not my intention to cause a rift within the group, only to
>> ensure that collective benefits are realized first and any individual
>> benefits don’t take priority. My humble opinion as mentioned above, lets

>> take a wise collective decision and avoid any dispute at this stage. ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Best Regards,****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Rattan N Whig****
>>
>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>
>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>
>> ****
>>
>>

>> -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON
>> 26.01.2012 From: "R.Kapur" To: papiabha...@gmail.com CC:

>> amit...@elofic.com,ashish...@gmail.com,ashoow...@yahoo.co.in,
>> amita...@yahoo.co.in,anand_...@yahoo.co.in,ananta...@gmail.com,
>> arunjai...@gmail.com,arunam...@gmail.com,amrit...@yahoo.com,
>> atanu...@hotmail.com,anil....@goodyear.com,ABHISH...@gmail.com,
>> ashok....@gmail.com,anan...@airtel.in,akhi...@yahoo.com,
>> arun...@yahoo.com,agrawa...@yahoo.com,abhish...@rediffmail.com,
>> arya_n...@yahoo.co.in,aggar...@yahoo.com,
>> ashish....@plantronics.com,aggarwa...@yahoo.com,
>> a_k...@hotmail.com,anand_g...@yahoo.co.in,amits...@airtelmail.in,
>> archa...@yahoo.com,arj...@yahoo.com,anubhav...@gmail.com,
>> ajay....@ads-ooh.co.in,anil....@mcann.com,anandka...@yahoo.com,
>> amank...@aimil.com,asim.ch...@gmail.com,abpa...@gmail.com,
>> ajay....@outdooradz.com,akta...@hotmail.com,ajayth...@yahoo.com,
>> amit...@googlemail.com,ban...@gmail.com,brama...@gmail.com,
>> bhupis...@hotmail.com,balvinde...@gmail.com,bmkat...@yahoo.com,
>> ban...@gmail.com,csatr...@yahoo.com,ccnph...@gmail.com,
>> contact...@yahoo.com,charn...@gmail.com,chauhan....@gmail.com,
>> cap...@gmail.com,dane...@gmail.com,dhane...@gmail.com,
>> dgx...@gmail.com,dwark...@gmail.com,Dheera...@iqor.com,
>> darsh...@hotmail.com,dahiy...@gmail.com,deepa...@comcast.net,
>> dennis.th...@gmail.com,damera...@gmail.com,damera...@yahoo.com
>> ,deepak...@bankofamerica.com,dco...@gmail.com ****
>>
>> *'BRAVO'*
>>

>> I totally support the decision taken in the meeting and would like to join
>> the association immediately on its formation.
>>
>> kind regards,
>>

>> Ravi ****

>>
>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Papia Bhatachaarji <

>> papiabha...@gmail.com> wrote:****
>>
>> Dear All ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Here's the Minutes of the Meeting held on January 26, 2012:****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *I. DISCUSSION ON ADDITIONAL PAYMENT ON ACCOUNT OF ENHANCED EDC****
>> *
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *Recap*****
>>
>> ****
>>

>> The meeting started with recap of the earlier events:****
>>
>> - In late September 2011 PCL issued demand notice for additional EDC;*
>> ***
>> - We met on the 16th of October, 2011 and unanimously agreed to ask

>> PCL to provide us a copy of the demand raised by the DGT&CP including

>> calculations of additional EDC, details of EDC paid,etc. ****
>> - We sent individual letters and submitted a group memorandum to PCL***
>> *
>> - PCL did not provide us full information. they only provided us

>> calculation on EDC and calculation of additional amount payable on
>> account
>> of enhanced EDC on plain A4 sheets of paper but neither did they sent
>> to us
>> either the demand notice received from DGT&CP nor, did they furnish the

>> date-wise duly audited details of EDC paid ****
>> - We again sent intimation individually and group representation

>> asking PCL to provide the said documents on their letterhead duly
>> signed by

>> a senior managerial person****
>> - PCL sent us signed copy of detailed EDC calculation, signed copy of

>> additional EDC calculation but did not send us the audited copy of EDC
>> paid

>> disclosing dates on which EDC paid, etc. ****
>> - We got the DGT&CP's computation of additional amount on account of
>> enhanced EDC in case of OMAXE project.****
>> - We met PCL team which included Mr.Arjun Puri. PCL team claimed that

>> they have not received any demand / computation from DGT&CP except that
>> they dug out the one-page demand notice (only the covering letter) from
>> Countrywide Promoters office. He mentioned that he'll write to DGT&CP
>> requesting them to send the demand raised in PCL's name and also
>> request
>> them to waive the interest on enhanced EDC upto the date of receipt of
>> the
>> revised demand letter . This apart, the PCL team could not show us
>> sufficient evidence to satisfy our queries. (please refer MOM of the
>> PCL

>> meeting circulated earlier)****
>> - Mr.Arjun Puri called up one of the members to inform that PCL has

>> sent the letter to DGT&CP and has an acknowledgement from DGT&CP in
>> record.

>> ****
>> - As agreed during the meeting with PCL, the core group finalized the

>> MOM of their meeting with PCL and sent it to Arjun Puri to sign. Arjun
>> Puri

>> refused saying that he did not agree with the MOM****
>> - Core group requested PCL/ Kaushik Sengupta to provide computation of

>> interest on Enhanced EDC. Inspite of several reminders the same has
>> not

>> been provided till date by PCL.****
>> - Mohinder Puri wrote a letter to some apartment buyers asking them to

>> pay-up the enhanced EDC demand failing which inspection of apartment
>> will

>> not be allowed.****
>>
>> *Meetings With DGT&CP Officials*****
>>
>> ****
>>

>> The core group has been closely interacting with the GFWA. A contingent of
>> representatives from various GHS of the Neharpar Area, Faridabad
>> (including
>> member from Pranayam group) met the DGT&CP and apprised him of the plight
>> and ordeal the apartment buyers were facing as the cartel of Neharpar
>> developers have adopted pressurizing tactics to induce the plot and
>> apartment buyers to pay up their(developers') undue illegal demands in the
>> garb of additional EDC to the Govt. In their submission before the
>> authorities the apartment buyers' group brought out these points vividly.
>> The Director General Mr.T.C.Gupta after giving a patient hearing informed
>> the group that the authorities were considering to bring out a
>> notification
>> waiving-off the interest on additional demand on enhanced EDC from January
>> 2009 till the date of demand. He said, this waiver will give substantial
>> relief to all the apartment and plot buyers of Neharpar area. This apart,
>> he promised to conduct an audit of the builders' book of accounts and
>> document to assess whether they are collecting extra money from apartment
>> and plot buyers in the garb of additional payment on account of enhanced
>> EDC. For carrying out the audit/inspection Mr.Gupta requested for case
>> studies of at least 2 cases from each developer. Accordingly, a list was

>> forwarded to him by GFWA comprising 2-3 instances from each GHS.****
>>
>> ****

>>
>> The accounts team of DGT&CP came to audit/inspect the book of accounts of
>> builders with reference to cases referred to them. They spent 2 days 24th
>> and 25th Jan 2012 visiting the offices of all these developers, presumably
>> inspected their records vis a vis the cases GFWA team forwarded to them
>> and
>> other cases in random (as we were informed by them). Thereafter, the audit
>> team met up the contingent of representatives from various GHS at the DTP
>> office in Sector 12 Faridabad. The meeting was attended by representatives
>> from BPTP (plot owners), BPTP (various GHS apartment owners), Omaxe GHS,
>> Piyush GHS, RPS Savana, Puri-Pranayam,SPR, SRS, Uppal Builders, etc.
>> (Incidentally, Uppal Builders have not raised any additional charges
>> demand on account of enhanced EDC).The GHS groups had a prolonged meeting
>> of about 3-4 hours with the aforesaid accounts team on 25th Jan, 2012

>> evening.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> During the meeting all of us were informed by the authorities that :****
>>
>> 1. DGT&CP is shortly coming out with a notification waiving the demand

>> for interest from January 1, 2009. We were apprised that according to
>> this
>> notification interest will be payable by the developer if the
>> additional
>> amount on account of enhanced EDC is not made in time from the date of
>> demand notice. The effect will be that there will be substantial relief
>> due
>> to waiver of interest for 28 months; This notification is in the
>> reckoning

>> and expected very shortly, within a month's time,****
>> 2. DGT&CP is not pressing the developers to make the payment of

>> additional demand on account of enhanced EDC as the notification for

>> interest waiver is in the reckoning, and ****
>> 3. The audit team were also to verify whether the builders' demand

>> from customers (plot / apartment buyers) was in line with the demand
>> levied

>> by the DGT&CP. ****
>>
>> The representatives brought to the notice of the authorities that:****
>>
>> - Most of the builders were charging interest @ 15% and 18% (overdue)

>> from the buyers payable in one go whereas, they were making the payment
>> @
>> 9% and 15% (overdue) in 4 installments. Further, they were not passing
>> the
>> benefit of moratorium for 12 months granted to them by authorities to
>> the
>> buyers. This is one of the ways the builders were extorting excess
>> money
>> from apartment /plot buyers in the guise of additional payment on
>> account

>> of enhanced EDC.****
>> - Also, builders were charging additional amount on account of

>> enhanced EDC for the entire area of land without giving abatement for
>> the
>> areas like clubs, school/s, shopping centers, medical clinics, other
>> un-constructed area which they'll sell on a later date.It was brought
>> out
>> that these areas were under ownership of the builders and the buyers
>> were
>> specifically precluded to claim any ownership rights and title on these
>> areas vide clauses and specific annexure/s in the builder-buyer
>> agreement.
>> It was also pointed out that when the developer sells out these areas
>> to
>> third parties they would charge EDC at enhanced rate from the third
>> party

>> buyers as well, and pocket the amounts. ****
>> - Further, it was specifically stated that as the rates of EDC and IDC

>> are transparently available the builders are trying to play with the
>> total

>> saleable area and other financial tricks.****
>> - The responsibility of paying the EDC and IDC is basically that of

>> the builder and if any portion of the project remains unsold than, the
>> builder will not burden the rest of the buyers for the principal as
>> well as
>> interest amounts in the EDC and IDC relating to such unused / unsold
>> space.

>> ****
>> - As the builder could have paid the EDC and IDC in lumpsum within 30

>> days of the grant of licence but they opted to pay the same in multiple
>> equated installments for their own financial convenience therefore,
>> they
>> cannot pass the burden to the apartment buyers as that would be illegal
>> and

>> against the principle of natural justice.****
>> - Further,it was also submitted that that, whereas, all the builders

>> had collected practically 35% of the total dues at the time of booking,
>> they should have cleared all statutory financial dues first so that
>> the
>> interest burden is limited only upto the date of first payment by the
>> buyer
>> and not beyond. Instead, they either paid the dues substantially later
>> and
>> deliberately let the interest burden accumulate to be passed on to the

>> buyer, which is also illegal. ****
>> - It was also submitted that as the buyer paid EDC and IDC as per the

>> construction-linked payment plan scheme or lumpsum payment plan scheme
>> advertised by the builder therefore, the buyers were not responsible
>> for
>> either the installment plan for payment of the interest nor could they
>> be
>> held responsible for payment of the interest due to delays. It was
>> grossly
>> illegal to charge / load the buyers with the element of such interest

>> burden.****
>> - Any increase in the super area should be duly approved by the DGT&CP

>> and should be incorporated in the revised layout plan and only, than in
>> the

>> calculation of EDC and IDC.****
>> - It was pointed out that since the builders were enhancing the basic

>> sale price over the time scale they should absorb the cost of increased
>> construction of non FAR areas in the increased profit and not load the

>> burden on the buyer.****
>> - It was also submitted that one of the reasonsfor enhanced EDC is due

>> to huge outstanding / non-payment of EDC and IDC (even the old EDC and
>> IDC). Therefore, raising illegal demands taking opportunity of
>> enhanced
>> EDC charges is totally untenable in law and therefore, grossly a
>> criminal
>> offence. Hence, as per the norms of agreement between the DGT&CP and
>> builder, the DGT&CP should consider cancellation of the licences of the
>> builders and where the licence is due for renewal, the same should not
>> be

>> renewed.****
>> - Collection of extra amounts in excess of what is demanded by the
>> DGT&CP is grossly illegal.****

>>
>> Appropriate documented submissions were also made to the authorities and
>> we were assured by the authorities that the same will be considered by the

>> DGT&CP. ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Decision:****
>>
>> ****
>>

>> All those present in this meeting of Pranayam Apartment Buyers raised
>> their hand to confirm that none had paid the additional demand of PCL on
>> account of enhanced EDC, it was unanimously agreed that the group would
>> wait till the notification and further instruction from the authorities
>> in

>> this regard.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *II. ANY OTHER MATTER*****
>>
>> ****
>>

>> 1. Many members felt that an apartment buyers association must be

>> formed and a bank account should be opened so that the membership

>> subscription can be deposited for meeting the expenses. ****
>> 2. Some members expressed concern over the quality of construction

>> work done at "THE PRANAYAM" and certain others mentioned that the
>> builder-buyer agreement as well as the proposed maintenance agreements
>> are
>> one-sided totally favoring the builder's interest which must also be

>> looked-into by the proposed association.****
>> 3. One of the members present explained to the group that "THE

>> PRNAYAM" site is infested with local anti-social elements who do not
>> let
>> the apartment buyers to take photograph of the work done for their
>> respective towers as he had witnessed an incident when a local person
>> snatched-away the camera from one of the buyers and deleted

>> the photographs taken by him.****
>> 4. All present unanimously agreed that it is only with cohesive action

>> we could stop PCL from extracting undue and unjustified money demands
>> from

>> us, the apartment buyers.****
>> 5. Some members suggested that the group should re-visit the the
>> "increased area demand of PCL in 2010".****
>> 6. One of the members present informed that he regularly passes-by

>> "THE PRANAYAM" site area and updated that the EWS building structure
>> roof-casting has been done upto the 6th or 7th floor but brick-work of
>> that
>> building is not in place as yet. In his opinion the earliest occupancy
>> is
>> subject to completion of EWS building.He cited that as per the Haryana
>> Building By-laws,for the grant of occupancy certificate EWS units
>> should

>> stand fully constructed. ****
>> 7. Those present unanimously agreed that issues should be taken-up one

>> at a time with PCL. One of the members pointed out that all
>> communications

>> to PCL should only be by registered post or speed post.****
>> 8. All present were informed that a number of RTIs are pending and the

>> same are expected shortly. It was explained that there were no reason
>> to

>> meet-up PCL till we have substantial information in hand.****
>> 9. Some members felt that there is a greater need for participation
>> and volunteered to serve the group in various ways. ****
>> 10. It was unanimously voiced by all present that they will

>> participate to make the group stronger in the interest of all apartment
>> buyers and future neighbors of "THE PRANAYAM" , make it a wonderful
>> place
>> to live-in and, also make it the best address in the Greater Faridabad
>> Area.One of the members thanked the group for their continuous support
>> and

>> cooperation.****
>>
>> The meeting ended with great thanks to all present.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Regards****
>>
>> Papia****
>>
>> ****

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[ratta...@wipro.com]

Dear Mr. Sazawal,

 

The core committee has the right to accept / reject any suggestion made by any member, but what about the similar suggestions made by multiple members.  Do you still feel that the core committee can act in an autonomous manner disregarding the needs & genuine requests by so many members.  If you don’t believe me, please go through the recent emails sent my many members on this subject, least of all me.

 

I completely agree with your point that the core committee has been doing a fabulous job.  However does that mean that the efforts should not be redirected to address a more pressing requirement.  No one is questioning the motive, all we are appealing is that the efforts being put in need minor adjustment of direction, that’s it.  How does that become such a huge issue??

 

We all know that with time even the most noble of ideas / efforts lose significance if it fails to address the core issues.  In my opinion, and this opinion is held by many members, the core demand is not being addressed sufficiently by the core group, hence the voices of discontent.

 

Further, what some core group members have resorted to now, are personal attacks and usage of derogatory language plus incorrect / incomplete facts.  Should this not be protested?

 

 

Best Regards,

 

Rattan N Whig

Email: ratta...@wipro.com

Mobile: +91-9811210342

 

From: makhan sazawal [mailto:mla...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:13 AM
To: Rattan Whig; asim.ch...@gmail.com; papiabha...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

 

Dear All

The Core Committee deserves all appreciation and praise  for the selfless contribution made by them from time to time. I wholeheartedly commend their contribution.

Irrespective of what has been stated above let every one know  that In democratic system every  member  has  the right  to   express views freely and the CORE COMMITTEE has the  PREROGATIVE  to accept or reject them.

With regards

 

mlsazawal:
M Lall Sazawal
Cell:646-431-5289

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[Asim Chowdhury]

Rattan,

What you call a point by point response is again an attempt to mislead residents. For a moment I thought I was conversing with Puri's PRO. The tone of your email was surely not acceptable and hence my response. It leveled a couple of allegations (about your mail ID) and also sought to portray the impression that possession is being deliberately delayed because of the core group’s action. Here is a brief response to the points, following which, I hope, you will desist from further discussion on these issues.

1. I am attaching the license document for all to see. Serial No. 367 lists some area in sector 82 and 85 as PLOTTED. Therefore, we as residents need more clarification. It is surprising that you moved with the assumption that whatever Puri is saying is correct when there is information in this document that is compelling me to question the license. Without access to a copy of the official license I have no reason to assume that what PCL is saying is right or wrong. I should at best be critical. I hope you got my point. Also the long history of countrywide developer’s license in sectors that are not related to us is irrelevant here. Let the residents go through the license document and draw their own conclusions.

1. Appreciate your unconvincing ‘gyan’ on management. The core group will take up issues as and when it deems fit. Individuals can only suggest.

1. What you call as your 'genuine' concern is surely not the concern of all residents. Further, the core group consists of some of the finest professionals in their respective fields and surely do not need to concern themselves on whether they are praised or not. Such expectations are best left to the wannabes.

1. The fact that the trust of residents has been compromised by a few on the increased area discussion is a fact. Many residents, who attended the last meeting at IHC, had shared this opinion with me.

1. Discussing on issues such as litigation etc. should not be done on the fly (Thankfully, you agreed on this).

1. Any discussion on meetings with government officials should be addressed to GFWA. The core group is not authorized to speak on behalf of the GFWA.
   

Finally, let this be an end to this discussion that began with your mail. At the end of the day individual residents will do what they feel is right and so there is no reason why they should be presented with such unwanted discourse. Let us keep our opinions to ourselves and do what we feel is right. Only time will tell who was right.

Tnx,

AC



On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:41 AM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:

[Asim Chowdhury]

Hi Rattan,

I appreciate your letter addressed to Papiya on the issue and would like to revert to this since I am an active member in the core group now. Many of the issue raised by you contained incomplete information, which I would like to clarify, since I have more comprehensive and accurate information on these.

I fortunately am trained in several subjects of human endeavour and one of these is psycholinguistics. I was surprised to find that your email began with an accusatory tone which reflects a grave condition called cognitive dissonance. As residents we all are standing for a common cause and hence such language is not warranted. If I benefit from something you and all other residents also get automatically benefitted.

For your information, all mails sent by the core group is marked to the mailing list and also sent to pranayam...@googlegroups.com just in case we miss out on someone’s ID. All you need to do is to be in this Google group.

I am writing this mail to you since the mail was marked to all of us to give you a point-by-point clarification on the issue, although this may entail referring back to certain past developments. Please do not take these personally.

1. For your information I am an active member of Pranayam and I was also present in the GFWA protest rally. I saw that you were present in the rally. However, towards the end, when we were wrapping up the meeting with the government officials it was only me and Mr Bidyutt were the only two people from Pranayam who participated in the informal discussions with the DC’s representative.  The GFWA members/records will very well reveal this.

1. Paying under protest is not a feasible option because once you pay there is no way we can get back the EDC amount (because of the complex EDC calculation). Perhaps this is the reason why thousands of residents from all projects in Neherpar have not yet paid the enhanced EDC. The GFWA stands testimony to this. In the meeting between DT&CP and GFWA in Chandigarh this month, where I was also present, the DG of DT&CP categorically agreed (in front of more than 12 members) that we should ask the builder to give us a detailed calculation of the EDC. In the case of Pranayam we have a further set of complications such as we do not have any official clarity on the license. You may recall the last meeting between core committee members and PCL management where PCL could not produce a copy of their license in their name and agreed to write to DT&CP to provide them the same. We have not yet received any information from PCL about the response received on the subject from DT&CP. Moreover, the list of licenses provided in the website http://tcpharyana.gov.in points that the license for the Pranayam project has been issued for PLOTTED DEVELOPMENT. Now, do you think it is wise to pay PCL the enhanced EDC without any clarity on the license, its type, and a detailed EDC breakup? What about thousands of residents of other developers who, despite having absolute clarity about their license, have not paid yet?  Your discussion on the EDC, therefore, is parochial and does not address the holistic concerns I have listed here.

1. Your anxiety about possession is understandable. All of us are concerned about it. But possession is not something that can be forced. Possession is subject to the completion of several things such as completion of EWS flats, STP plants, etc. The EWS flats are far from being complete (only roofs are laid) and will take atleast a year to complete. Further, the STP plant, I was informed by a PCL staff, will take many more months. Under these conditions how do you think we can force PCL to give possession to us? I hope you can suggest the core group a way out.

1. The core group which acts on behalf of the collective cause of Pranayam residents, let me assure you, is a very sensible group that functions in a transparent manner. So much so that we constantly invite everyone to come forward and help us in whatever way they can. It is not a closed group with fixed boundaries; nor is anyone’s position supreme. We have never taken decisions on the fly that are arbitrary and one-sided. This is unlike the past where in some instances a few had taken decisions on behalf of Pranayam residents without consulting a larger group of residents. I would like to elaborate one such incident, which most residents have opined, is not acceptable to them. (I am elaborating this in the next point)

1. Records available with the team show that you along with Pawan, Ramneek, Balvinder, & Pankaj had met PCL management and agreed on the increased area. A majority of residents are now collectively voicing their concern that this increase in area is irrational. Although I was not part of these discussions with PCL I have access to records of this meeting. Now, even if I were to apply the most fundament principles of ‘construction logic’ the question that arises is whether it is possible for the developer to start a construction and suddenly realize after completing the tower that there is an increase in area. Personally, I haven’t ever come across such absurdity ever in my life.

1. I could not understand why you raked up the issue of litigation in your mail when I cannot recall a single instance when the core group has discussed or for that matter even thought on these lines. Talking of litigation on the fly is unwarranted, particularly when no one is discussing or considering this. I failed to understand why this new seed is being planted in everyone’s mind all of a sudden. I hope you will desist from raking up such issues thoughtlessly, which I feel is akin to putting words in the mouths of others.

1. You have questioned the veracity of verbal statements made by the government officials. What you have not realized is that these statements were made in front of more than 15 representatives of GFWA which consists of residents from all developers in Neherpar. Everything talked and discussed has been recorded in one form or other and GFWA has the records which it cannot hand over to everyone and anyone. The discussions with the government officials have been very encouraging and I see no reason why we should start doubting these government officials. When discussing on a sensitive subject like this it is wise to be patient and composed and one should not negate things on the fly. I think you can get an appropriate response on the subject if you approach GFWA directly. Alternately, I request you to be part of the team when the GFWA goes to meet government officials in Chandigarh next. Perhaps you will be able to gather a better perspective which you can share with the group here. Whimsical statements about events/discussions etc. without learning about the complete picture creates unwanted tension for group members and should be avoided. To give you an idea of the profile of people leading the discussions with the government I would like to mention that one of the advisors of GFWA is the retired CMD of a Power Corporation.

1. The fact that discussions and patience can yield great results will be evident to you once you come to know what benefits the efforts of GFWA has gathered for all Neherpar residents from the Haryana government. What you are questioning Papiya here should be directed to the GFWA, provided you have time.
   

1. In the last paragraph of your email, you made a passing remark (or should I say advice) that ‘collective benefits’ should be taken up first and ‘individual benefits’ should not be given priority. Can you be a little more specific as to how and when did you draw the conclusion that there was any talk of ‘individual benefits’ here? Is EDC, license, poor construction or delayed construction an individual issue? When you are writing a letter to Papiya you are addressing her not as an individual but as a core group member, of which many of us are a part. Further, your last line advises the core group to take a ‘collective decision’ implying that such ‘collective decision’ is not being taken now. May I know what and how did you conclude this? Any communication on such sensitive issues should not contain frivolous phrases/sentences/opinions without presenting the complete picture to residents.
   

Finally, to conclude, I feel that we should desist from writing such opinionated mails to anyone. Everything being discussed in this group relates to a common cause and so there is no reason why we should not present facts as they are by covering all aspects of an issue. Discussing this issue superficially perhaps is not a good thing to do when so many people of GFWA are engaged in discussing with the government.

The very fact why I replied to you today was because your mail tends to undermine my efforts as well where I had left aside my personal concerns and visited Chandigarh with the GFWA and also participated in many such initiatives without thinking about my personal concerns even for a moment. Next time when you write such mails related to the residents, you should desist from using such obnoxious and opinionated language for it undermines the effort of all of us.

[Dwarka Nath]

Dear All

I think, Mr. Sudipto Chatterjee is right. We need follow the course
that serves us. BestRegards Dwarkanath

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:26 PM, sudipto chatterjee
<sudipto...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Regards,

Dwarkanath
Mobile +91 8800444082

[rattan whig]

Dear Ajay ji,

 

I will try to explain & provide answer to your queries below.  I have requested for a meeting with the core group where we can discuss these issues in greater detail.

 

a.   who all are part of core group ?  Per information available with me, Papia & Asim are the members, for others I am not sure.  Of course i may be wrong.

 

b.   What are the current problem looked into? & their impact on us.  There is multitude of problems we are facing currently.  EDC payment is the most important of them which also has an immediate financial impact for each member.  Other problems are quality of construction, STP, EWS flats, etc.  All these problems with the exception of Quality of construction can cause a possible delay in possession.  My suggestion is to break down the EDC payment in to principle & interest components, discuss with PCL that we will make payment of principle amount upfront and interest component can be kept in abeyance till government decides on interest.  I learn from the core group that government is considering withdrawal of interest charges and this is the fact that we can present to PCL to leverage our case.

 

c.   Any mitigation plan to cater these problems?  The plan is to engage in conversation with PCL on all these points individually.  We shall not or at least try not to put everything on one plate while we sit down at the discussion table.  I have already suggested EDC plan above.  for other concerns, we can draft a startegy at our next meeting, which i have requested with the core group.

d.    Where do we stand wrt plan?  Unfortunately nowehere.  While I and various other members have suggested that possession should be the only sole concern, we have various voices on various subjects,  For better clarity & unified approach, I have suggested a meeting with the core group.  Once this happens, we will be in position to take the plan forward.

e.    Do there any way to put pressure on builder to get the possession at earliest possible?  The only way to put pressure on builder is through a dialog & our persuasion to initiate dialog with PCL at this stage.  Having paid 95% of the total project cost, the builder has nothing to lose, while we on the other hand have very less to gain.  Had the situation been different, in terms of project completion, for example if we had paid only 40% of the total cost, then the current stance would be favorable.   

Lets all meet with the core group this / next week and plan to discuss & resolve all these issues and approach builder with one unified Plan of action.

 

 

Best Regards,

Rattan N Whig

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Ajay Sharma <ajays...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Best Regards,

 

Rattan N Whig

# 9811210342

[Asim Chowdhury]

Dear Mr Chatterjee,

Thanks for sharing your views. I completely agree with you since we also believe that possession is a priority. Since the EWS flats and STP plants etc. are still being constructed, as a rule PCL cannot give us possession until they complete these. Manas has given a conservative estimate of the completion of EWS flats as one year but if you visit the site and look at the slow pace of work in the EWS and the apartments, you can estimate the completion time for yourself. My estimate (gathered after talking to a few property consultants, and construction engineers) is that the time is likely to extend to more than one and half years if the work continues at the current pace.

The core group is relentlessly working to speed up things but PCL, it seems, is not responding to most of our queries. And to aggravate the situation you have some residents who are creating unwanted confusion by circulating incomplete information.

The core group is an open forum and you are most welcome to come and meet us and see for yourself what efforts we are putting forth for the cause.

Regards,

Asim Chowdhury

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:26 PM, sudipto chatterjee <sudipto...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Asim Chowdhury]

Hi Rattan,

I appreciate your letter addressed to Papiya on the issue and would like to respond to this since I am an active member in the core group now. Many of the issue raised by you contained incomplete information, which I feel should be clarified, since I have comprehensive and accurate information on these.

I fortunately am trained in several subjects of human endeavour and one of these is psycholinguistics. Its through this filter of psycholinguistics that I perused through your email to find an unacceptable accusatory tone which reflects a grave condition on your part, termed 'cognitive dissonance.' As residents we all are standing for a common cause and hence such language is not warranted. If I benefit from something, you and all other residents also get automatically benefited. Its not a rat race for individual benefits.

Further, for your information, all mails sent by the core group is marked to the mailing list and also sent to pranayam...@googlegroups.com just in case we miss out on someone’s ID. All you need to do is to be in this Google group.

I am writing this mail to you since the mail was marked to all of us to give you a point-by-point clarification on the issue, although this may entail referring back to certain past developments. Please do not take these personally.

1. I am an active member of Pranayam and I was also present in the GFWA protest rally. I saw you in the rally, although towards the end, when we were wrapping up the meeting with the government officials, it was only me and Mr Bidyutt who were the only people from Pranayam who participated in the informal discussions with the DC’s representative.
   
2. Paying under protest, as suggested by you, is not a feasible option because once you pay there is no way we can get back the EDC amount (because of the complex EDC calculation). This is the reason why thousands of residents from all Neherpar projects have not paid the enhanced EDC yet. In the meeting between DT&CP and GFWA in Chandigarh this month, where I was also present, the DG of DT&CP categorically agreed (in front of more than 12 members) that we should ask the builder to give us a detailed calculation of the EDC. In the case of Pranayam we have a further set of complications such as we do not have any official clarity on the license. You may recall the last meeting between core committee members and PCL management where PCL could not produce a copy of their license in their name and agreed to write to DT&CP to provide them the same. We have not yet received any information from PCL about the response received on the subject from DT&CP. Moreover, the list of licenses provided in the website http://tcpharyana.gov.in points that the license for the Pranayam project has been issued for PLOTTED DEVELOPMENT. Now, do you think it is wise to pay PCL the enhanced EDC without any clarity on the license, its type, and a detailed EDC breakup? What about thousands of residents of other developers who, despite having absolute clarity about their license, have not paid yet?  Your discussion on the EDC, therefore, is parochial and does not address the holistic concerns I have listed here.
3. Your anxiety about possession is understandable. All of us are concerned about it. But possession is not something that can be forced just like that. Possession is subject to the completion of several things such as EWS flats, STP plants, etc. The EWS flats are far from being complete (only roofs are laid) and will take atleast a year to complete. The STP plant, I was informed by a PCL staff, will also take many more months. Under these conditions how do you think can we get possession? I hope you can suggest an effective way forward.
4. The core group which acts on behalf of the collective cause of Pranayam residents is a very sensible group that functions transparently. So much so that we constantly invite everyone to come forward and help us in whatever way they can. It is not a closed group with fixed boundaries; nor is anyone’s position supreme. We never taken decisions on the fly that are arbitrary and one-sided. This is quite unlike the past where a few had taken crucial decisions on behalf of Pranayam residents without consulting residents. I will elaborate one such incident, which most residents have shared with the core group, time and again. (I am elaborating this in the next point)
5. Records available with the team show that you, along with Pawan, Ramneek, Balvinder, & Pankaj had met PCL management and agreed on the increased area. Residents are still not clear as to how and why the area was increased. Now, even if we were to apply the most fundamental principles of ‘construction logic,’ the question arises on how is it possible for the developer to complete constructing towers and the suddenly realize about an increase in area. Were the towers not erected as per the plan and design. Personally, I haven't come across such absurd logic ever in my life.
6. I fail to understand why you have raked up the issue of litigation in your mail, when there was not a single instance when the core group has discussed or even thought on these lines. Talking of litigation, on the fly, is unacceptable, particularly the core group is not discussing/considering this. I failed to understand from where you have gathered this idea and also why you are raking up such issues, all of a sudden. You should hold your horses and desist from raking up issues thoughtlessly, which is akin to putting words in the mouths of others.
7. You have questioned the veracity of verbal statements made by the government officials. What you have not realized is that these statements were made in front of more than 15 representatives of GFWA which consists of residents from all developers in Neherpar. Everything talked and discussed has been recorded in one form or other and GFWA has all records which it cannot hand over to everyone and anyone. The discussions with the government officials have been very encouraging and I see no reason why we should start doubting these government officials. When discussing on a sensitive subject like this it is wise to be patient and composed and one should not negate things on the fly. I think you can get an appropriate response on the subject if you approach GFWA directly. Alternately, I request you to be part of the team when the GFWA goes to meet government officials in Chandigarh next. Perhaps you will be able to gather a better perspective which you can share with the group here. Whimsical statements about events/discussions etc. without learning about the complete picture creates unwanted tension for group members and should be avoided. To give you an idea of the profile of people leading the discussions I would like to mention that one of the advisors of GFWA is the retired CMD of a Power Corporation.
8. The fact that discussions and patience can yield great results will be evident to you once you come to know what benefits the efforts of GFWA has gathered for all Neherpar residents from the Haryana government. Therefore, instead of questioning Papiya here on the discussions with the government you should direct your queries to GFWA.
   
9. In the last paragraph of your email, you made a passing remark (or should I say 'adviced') that ‘collective benefits’ should be taken up first and ‘individual benefits’ should not be given priority. Can you be a little more specific as to how and when did you draw the conclusion that there was any talk of ‘individual benefits’ here? Is EDC, license, poor construction, lack of transparency or delayed construction an individual issue? When you are writing a letter to Papiya you are addressing her not as an individual but as a core group member, of which many of us are a part. Further, your last line advises the core group to take a ‘collective decision’ thereby implying that such ‘collective decision’ is not being taken now. May I know how, when, and from whom did you gather this?

Finally, to conclude, I feel that we should desist from writing such opinionated mails to anyone. Everything being discussed in this group relates to a common cause and so there is no reason why we should not present facts as they are by detailing out all aspects of an issue.

I replied to you today because your mail tends to undermine my efforts, as well as, the efforts of many others who are putting in their time and energy for the cause. In case you have personal things to say to individuals you should write only to the concerned person without marking these to everyone.

[rattan whig]

Anand,

 

I guess you are missing the entire point here.  Please read my emails carefully before commenting.

 

When did I insist on becoming core group member / leading the core group?  When did I show distrust in efforts put in by the core group?

 

I wasnt aware that you have such monumental differences with me.  In any case, I said earlier also, I dont want to be a part of core group. 

 

Just out of curiosity, and dont construe this incorrectly as my willingness to be in the core group, who are your referring to as "nobody wants you"?  Have you consulted other people on who should join the agitation?  Are you making this a preplanned agenda based attack against me and few others?  Anyway, I know the answer to that, dont bother answering......

 

I am satisfied with my suggestions taken on board.  My suggestions are not mine alone, but similar to those of multiple other members.  If Our collective sessions are taken on board, I dont have any issues with who leads the core group.

 

When Pawan proposed to me to join core group, it was not for me alone, but others as well.  Anyway, I am running little short on patience here, have been addressing these and other issues since afternoon yesterday non stop.

 

Lets all just settle for two peaceful outcomes, a) I have no desire to and will not join the core group, b) Our suggestions must not be ignored and should be taken on baord.

 

Best Regards,

 

Rattan N Whig

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Anand Jha <Anan...@in.airtel.com> wrote:

Dear Rattan

Am active member

Not replying mail doesn't mean I am inactive

We met @ IHC during super areas increasing ,

We trusted then core member as I failed to get any response from Pur

Even though , I was sure that core team did not their job correctly ( sir am engineer , my one brother is arch , second one s. CS n LLB who workS for reputed builder, third brother is Civil eng who woks in PWD)
I paid super areas pay out based upon ur commitment , in fact puri took our signature on your agreed mom ( we signed that mom ) as accepted you 5 as our representative


Going fwd we ( I) don't authorized you 5 to represent us for any matter . We only authorize Asim n Papia do so , you all 5 may withdraw from this gr


We accepted you 5 as leaders to represent our view in past , it doesn't entitle you abuse our current core members ( asim n papia)

You may be very articulation ( I know how). Doesn't entitle to be our leader going fwd

You all have shown ur true clr ,


Finally we don't want clash , you all 5 were leader in super area payout ,we honored you by paying same. , Now its your turn to be led by more intellectual n professional n experienced people

Hence please respect new gr , ur interest will be taken care

PS - Papia n Asim and other wil lead our gr for this en devour till possession. , you may have your own emi gr


Note _ sorry friend , I don't even I pay enhanced edc , Willi I get my flat now without and any litigation

Best  Regards

Anand Jha.  +919810390102




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From: rattan.whig

Sent: 02/01/2012 07:21 PM GMT
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Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

Dear Anand,

What are you referring to?  You have sent some 5 - 6 emails directed to Pawan, Balvinder and others initially and then directed to me, Pawan and Ramneek.  What is your real agenda and on whose behalf are you acting?

Why do you feel your opinion on others become important, just in the last two hours that you've been active?

I and others are expressing our individual views.  What is so offending in our views is something I don't understand?  Please explain why can't we express our views?  And if our views find resonance and support from others within the fraternity, then should those views not be adapted as common agenda for the core group to pursue?

Best Regards,

Rattan N Whig

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From: Anand Jha <Anan...@in.airtel.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 00:20:28
To: Pawan Kumar Hemrajani<pawa...@gmail.com>; rattan whig<ratta...@gmail.com>

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Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

I don't want you rattan n ramneek to be prt of core gp

We don't want emi gr pl

Best  Regards

Anand Jha.  +919810390102




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[rattan whig]

Dear Pawan,
 
I respect you as a friend and individual.  I appreciate your suggestion here.  But I cant assume this particular responsbility now.  Not after the numerous personal attacks that have been made over the past two days. 
 
Till few hours back, I was still contemplating participating actively.  But now, after Mr. Jha's 10 emails attacking me, you and others personally, accusing us of breach of trust among other things, its impossible for me to do so.
 
I will be satisifed with our suggestions being accepted as the core agenda of the core group.  This is what I started my initial protest over, and this is my sole intention now.
 
I will however not give up on our suggestions & efforts till such time that they are accepted, and urge any and everyone to objectively weigh the suggestions put forth by me and by many others.

Best Regards,
 
Rattan N Whig

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:39 PM, <ratta...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Pawan,

As I have done in the past, I volunteer to become a member of the core group to shoulder the responsibilites.

Best Regards,

Rattan N Whig

Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

-----Original Message-----
From: Pawan Kumar Hemrajani <pawa...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 22:33:46
To: rattan whig<ratta...@gmail.com>

[RAVI KAPUR]

Dear Friends,

I draw the attention to the mail of Capt. Majithia below to which no reply has been received from the members  who are highly vocal in favour of early possession. Pl. share your plan how the possession can be expedited by just paying the EDC as demanded by PCL and ignoring the bye laws of DGTCP which clearly states no EWS -no occupancy and the completion of EWS is going to take about a year.

There is no harm in entering into a dialogue with PCL on all the issues- EDC, possession, quality etc. We would be getting something positive only on perusing the matter with PCL on regular basis.

Formation of association at the earliest is also utmost important and we may continue with the same members in the core committee at least till the possession is handed over as they are doing an excellent job and well updated  on all the issues. Further, I would stress the need to have patience and trust in the core committee if we intend to gain something positive. 

We need to  show it to core committee right now  that we trust and have full faith in them so that they may continue with the good work. We need to keep on encouraging them rather than becoming their critiques.

Kind regards,

Ravi

[Vijaya Kohli]

Dear Friends,
Thank you all for contributing so much to the common good.
 
The issue of possession is suddenly being projected as being the most pressing one although  the C and D flats (regardless of quality) are not  ready and are not, by all accounts, even  likely to be ready for many months.

I am not running anyone's views down  but I must say that with the best will in the world, I just can't figure out  why the struggle for pie-in-the sky  is of more immediate relevance than the struggle for fair-play.

With good wishes,
Vijaya K.

[Kumar, Sunil]

Fully agree with Ramneek as it is important to ensure that we have a platform to discuss issues cordially with Puri (without burning bridges). While we are all are right in our individual viewpoints and opinions, Passionate emails among ourselves will do nothing to mobilise Puri Cons to deliver what we are looking for or achieve our objective.

 

I must also commend the core committee on the exceptional work they are doing on behalf of all us and I have full faith in the leadership of Papia, however I have the following to comment.

 

Enhanced EDC is a common topic among all Greater Faridabad flats and the matter is being discussed in multiple forums including the courts and I am sure there will be a resolution on this soon which will apply to all the builders / investors. Whatever the outcome It is unlikely that the amount of enhanced EDC will be Zero…

 

It is also a fact that the govt has demanded the enhanced EDC from the builders and we are contractually bound to pay the same. The dispute however is over the amount and the detail of the computation. We are well within our right to demand the detailed information from Puri Cons on the computation of the Enhanced EDC and challenge the same.

 

In the absence of specific detail/documentation not provided by Puri Cons, why don’t we propose to pay the undisputed amount as per our information and computation ( core committee can decide on this amount) with an undertaking that we will pay the outstanding upon Puri Construction providing us with the documentation as demanded by us and we being satisfied with the computation.

 

Let us not lose sight of bigger things like date of possession, quality which cannot be reversed or improved if we don’t engage with Puri right now, and on these unfortunately we will need the full support of Puri to deliver.

 

Let us work to convert the negative energy (evident in the emails) to positive results and actions…

 

Sunil Kumar

 

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Sent: 02 February 2012 17:19
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Subject: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

 

Hi All

Though i did not received lot's of mails on the Google group starting last night. But heard about it from friends..

Without giving any clarifications, I would like to make my point very clear, I was part of the meeting on 26th Jan, did not get to meet Biduyat but did spoke with Asim about my concerns like why possession is more important to me. These points were not in the meeting minutes, that's why I wrote the mail around my POV.

EDC issues are being working actively by GFWA, in perallel we need to start Active dialogue with PCL around Possession and Quality issues with individual flats as only PCL will fix those issues and nobody else.

I feel a constructive dialogue needs to start with PCL, if we start discussions with negative notes then personally I do not expect a lot. I am fine if any member based in NCR would like to take lead on PCL front but this should happen for sure..

Regards

Ramneek

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[rattan whig]

Dear Sunil,

 

Your suggestions are absolutely valid and completely agreeable.

 

Lets just hope that the core group meeting happens soon and we are able to clear all these, and then proceed with one common agenda.

 

Best Regards,

 

Rattan N Whig

[rattan whig]

Dear Mr. Kapur / Dear Mr. Majithia,

Please bear with me while I try to address contents of your email
below. I could not respond earlier as I was travelling.

With all due respect, I am not sure how you feel that no reply has been
recieved for Mr. Majithia's suggestions. I will request you to go through
tons of thought provoking reading material that
has been generated over the past few days, where many members have made
their valuable suggestions, at times repeatedly on how we can approach
PCL and ultimately seek resolution to this problem.

I will like to point out few of such suggestive emails for your kind
consideration. Please check mail from Mr. Balvinder Sahrawat, email from
Mr. Sudipto & Mr. Subroto, and Mr. Ramneek
& Mr. Pawan, and last but not the least, Mr. M L Sazawall & Mr.
Sunil Kumar yesterday. I may have missed out on few names but these are the
ones I can recall immediately.

Now let me ask you this, with all due respect again. Why is core group so
sensitive? Why have few members started protesting at the moment someone
said anything which is
different from that being preached by core group? Is it that no member can
express a different opinion? Is it that no member can hope to get a
logical hearing from this core group?
Is it that there is only one opinion and one opinion alone? Is it that no
other member has equal or higher knoweldge of the subject? How is it that
all members have lost the right to
voice their suggestions, different as the may be? I am sure you will
agree that this should not be the case.

Please understand and God only knows how many times have I typed the same
lines in past 4 - 5 days. No one is taking anything away from the core
group. Frankly no one cares to
do that. We all realize core group has done a fantastic job and must
continue to do so with our support if we are to see the real outcomes of
their efforts. I am ready to support the core
group in all its endeavors provided the core group behaves like an ideal
core group.

For heavens sake, we are not fighting elections here. This is no place
& time for bickering and petty politics, nor for name calling and abusive
language that has been adapted off
late by few members, at least not at this critical juncture when we
are trying to form a unified agenda.

My request, 3rd time in last 5 days, please lets meet this weekend with
the core group members, to sort all our issues. This meeting will go a
long way in building ties of solidarity
between us.

Best Regards,

Rattan N Whig

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 3:46 PM, RAVI KAPUR <ravik...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> I draw the attention to the mail of Capt. Majithia below to which no reply
> has been received from the members who are highly vocal in favour of early
> possession. Pl. share your plan how the possession can be expedited by just
> paying the EDC as demanded by PCL and ignoring the bye laws of DGTCP which
> clearly states no EWS -no occupancy and the completion of EWS is going to
> take about a year.
>
> There is no harm in entering into a dialogue with PCL on all the issues-
> EDC, possession, quality etc. We would be getting something positive only
> on perusing the matter with PCL on regular basis.
>
> Formation of association at the earliest is also utmost important and we
> may continue with the same members in the core committee at least till the
> possession is handed over as they are doing an excellent job and well
> updated on all the issues. Further, I would stress the need to have
> patience and trust in the core committee if we intend to gain something
> positive.
>
> We need to show it to core committee right now that we trust and have
> full faith in them so that they may continue with the good work. We need to
> keep on encouraging them rather than becoming their critiques.
>

> **Kind regards,

>
> Ravi
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:40 PM, K.S.Majithia <cap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

>> **

>>> 1. I think our utmost emphasis to given on the earliest possession

>>> although I appreciate the effort is made to sort out the other issues like
>>> EDC and Licencing part. But we must understand that we have already paid

>>> 95% of the total cost which is nothing less than *4.8-5 Mn* *which
>>> by any means is a huge money for any middle class family. *Now if we

>>> keep trying to address the other problems (which is genuine as well) and
>>> in that process give chance to PCL to make us responsible for delayed
>>> possession it would only help the builders.

>>> 2. In the current situation most of us are incurring the cost of

>>> rent which is nothing less than 17-18K and also the EMI which is also
>>> around 35-40K totaling up to appx 55-60K. Now if we keep fighting against
>>> the builder and not come to a solution which allow us to take possession
>>> earliest we will keep incurring above the cost for an infinite time which
>>> actually at the end will cost us more what we might save by not paying the
>>> enhance EDC (which is coming out to be Rs20/sqft as calculated by the core
>>> group) right now. Actually this will give builder to buy time and play the
>>> delay tactic.

>>> 3. In India we all know any legal battle (say we go that way right a

>>>> 1. I am attaching the license document for all to see. Serial No.

>>>> 367 lists some area in sector 82 and 85 as PLOTTED. Therefore, we as
>>>> residents need more clarification. It is surprising that you moved with the
>>>> assumption that whatever Puri is saying is correct when there is
>>>> information in this document that is compelling me to question the license.
>>>> Without access to a copy of the official license I have no reason to assume
>>>> that what PCL is saying is right or wrong. I should at best be critical. I
>>>> hope you got my point. Also the long history of countrywide developer’s
>>>> license in sectors that are not related to us is irrelevant here. Let the
>>>> residents go through the license document and draw their own conclusions.

>>>> 2. Appreciate your unconvincing ‘gyan’ on management. The core

>>>> group will take up issues as and when it deems fit. Individuals can only
>>>> suggest.

>>>> 3. What you call as your 'genuine' concern is surely not the

>>>> concern of all residents. Further, the core group consists of some of the
>>>> finest professionals in their respective fields and surely do not need to
>>>> concern themselves on whether they are praised or not. Such expectations
>>>> are best left to the wannabes.

>>>> 4. The fact that the trust of residents has been compromised by a

>>>> few on the increased area discussion is a fact. Many residents, who
>>>> attended the last meeting at IHC, had shared this opinion with me.

>>>> 5. Discussing on issues such as litigation etc. should not be done

>>>> on the fly (Thankfully, you agreed on this).

>>>> 6. Any discussion on meetings with government officials should be

>>>> addressed to GFWA. The core group is not authorized to speak on behalf of
>>>> the GFWA.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, let this be an end to this discussion that began with your
>>>> mail. At the end of the day individual residents will do what they feel is
>>>> right and so there is no reason why they should be presented with such
>>>> unwanted discourse. Let us keep our opinions to ourselves and do what we
>>>> feel is right. Only time will tell who was right.
>>>>
>>>> Tnx,
>>>>
>>>> AC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:41 AM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:
>>>>

>>>>> Hi Asim,****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your email. My responses are given below, point by point.
>>>>> Please take the pain of going through my detailed responses, which I hope

>>>>> are able to dispel the misrepresentation of facts.****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> Going through your email and what you refer to as “facts”, the painful
>>>>> ignorance is ever so revealing. The various terms used, parochial,
>>>>> cognitive dissonance, accused of creating unwanted tensions, putting words
>>>>> in others mouths, whimsical opinion, etc are only profoundly misplaced.

>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> To all fellow members, let me again clarify that I am not against the
>>>>> group, or any of its actions, or any of the members. Sometimes, a critical
>>>>> opinion is a better opinion, and one must learn to take such opinions in
>>>>> stride, no matter how contrary they may appear to be to the populist stance.

>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> With all due respect to all members, I have only chosen to express a
>>>>> different path for issue resolution. I fail to understand the state of
>>>>> mind which considers the path suggested to be against any one particular
>>>>> member. However if anyone still feels so, I personally appeal to ignore my

>>>>> suggestion.****

>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> Rattan N Whig****
>>>>>
>>>>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>>>>
>>>>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>

>>>>> *From:* Asim Chowdhury [mailto:asim.ch...@gmail.com]
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:21 AM
>>>>> *To:* Rattan Whig

>>>>> *Cc:* amit...@elofic.com; ashish...@gmail.com;

>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>> make it only a prohibitive one way communication structure.****

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For your information, all mails sent by the core group is marked to

>>>>> the mailing list and also sent to pranayam...@googlegroups.comjust in case we miss out on someone’s ID. All you need to do is to be in

>>>>> this Google group. Papia explained this by replying to me email
>>>>> yesterday and I get the point.
>>>>>

>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> I am writing this mail to you since the mail was marked to all of us
>>>>> to give you a point-by-point clarification on the issue, although this may
>>>>> entail referring back to certain past developments. Please do not take
>>>>> these personally. Despite the desperate personal attacks, let’s get

>>>>> to the points. ****
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. For your information I am an active member of Pranayam and I

>>>>> was also present in the GFWA protest rally. I saw that you were present in
>>>>> the rally. However, towards the end, when we were wrapping up the meeting
>>>>> with the government officials it was only me and Mr Bidyutt were the only
>>>>> two people from Pranayam who participated in the informal discussions with
>>>>> the DC’s representative. The GFWA members/records will very well reveal
>>>>> this. Did I ever state that I attended the protest march rally
>>>>> from end to finish? Or, is it even pertinent? I was there to express my
>>>>> solidarity for the cause, however I chose not to walk on the streets and

>>>>> went back to attend to other pressing commitments. ****
>>>>> 2. Paying under protest is not a feasible option because once you

>>>>> pay there is no way we can get back the EDC amount (because of the complex
>>>>> EDC calculation). Perhaps this is the reason why thousands of residents
>>>>> from all projects in Neherpar have not yet paid the enhanced EDC. The GFWA
>>>>> stands testimony to this. In the meeting between DT&CP and GFWA in
>>>>> Chandigarh this month, where I was also present, the DG of DT&CP
>>>>> categorically agreed (in front of more than 12 members) that we should ask
>>>>> the builder to give us a detailed calculation of the EDC. In the case of
>>>>> Pranayam we have a further set of complications such as we do not have any
>>>>> official clarity on the license. You may recall the last meeting between
>>>>> core committee members and PCL management where PCL could not produce a
>>>>> copy of their license in their name and agreed to write to DT&CP to provide
>>>>> them the same. We have not yet received any information from PCL about the
>>>>> response received on the subject from DT&CP. Moreover, the list of licenses
>>>>> provided in the website http://tcpharyana.gov.in points that the
>>>>> license for the Pranayam project has been issued for PLOTTED DEVELOPMENT.
>>>>> Now, do you think it is wise to pay PCL the enhanced EDC without any
>>>>> clarity on the license, its type, and a detailed EDC breakup? What about
>>>>> thousands of residents of other developers who, despite having absolute
>>>>> clarity about their license, have not paid yet? Your discussion on the
>>>>> EDC, therefore, is parochial and does not address the holistic concerns I

>>>>> have listed here. *This is perhaps the most important point in

>>>>> your communication. Let me address this through facts and not opinion
>>>>> alone, which shall decide whose point is parochial. Puri Pranayam website
>>>>> lists the address of the project as Sector 82 & 85. Apparently this
>>>>> project land and the license for development is listed in the name of
>>>>> Countrywide Promoters Pvt Ltd, a fact that has been accepted by PCL. Using
>>>>> the same link as provided by you above, the website of Department of
>>>>> Country & Town planning – Haryana provides details of all the various
>>>>> licenses issued to various developers. This list can be accessed by
>>>>> accessing the “license” link on the right side of the home page. This link
>>>>> opens a copy of scanned pdf document with details of license holders.
>>>>> Please turn to page no. 26 of the list, Serial No. 572, plot measuring 2.5
>>>>> acres in Sector 82 is listed in the name of Countrywide Developers Pvt Ltd
>>>>> for “GH” and not plotted development as claimed by you. On the same page,
>>>>> Serial No. 573, plot measuring 13.19 acres in Sector 77 is listed in the
>>>>> name of Countrywide Developers Pvt Ltd for “GH” development. Further Page
>>>>> no. 27 Serial No. 581 plot measuring 2.89 acres in Sector 76, page no. 43,
>>>>> Serial No. 961 & 962 plot measuring 16.02 & 10 acres respectively in Sector
>>>>> 84, Page no. 46 Serial No. 1026 plot measuring 14 acres in Sector 81, are
>>>>> all listed in the name of Countrywide Developers Pvt Ltd for “GH”
>>>>> development. There are numerous other plots located in the Sectors of
>>>>> Faridabad adjoining sector 80 which are listed in the name of Countrywide
>>>>> Developers Pvt Ltd for “GH” development. At best, any one can say that
>>>>> there is ambiguity with regards to Sector 85 listed as address on the Puri
>>>>> Pranayam website which can be clarified from PCL. Still want to talk about

>>>>> holistic nature of facts, stated by you? *
>>>>> 3. Your anxiety about possession is understandable. All of us are

>>>>> concerned about it. But possession is not something that can be forced.
>>>>> Possession is subject to the completion of several things such as
>>>>> completion of EWS flats, STP plants, etc. The EWS flats are far from being
>>>>> complete (only roofs are laid) and will take atleast a year to complete.
>>>>> Further, the STP plant, I was informed by a PCL staff, will take many more
>>>>> months. Under these conditions how do you think we can force PCL to give
>>>>> possession to us? I hope you can suggest the core group a way out. Is
>>>>> it my anxiety alone or the anxiety of multitude of other flat buyers like
>>>>> me? Possession is not something that can be forced, absolutely right. So
>>>>> does that mean that we pile another issue on the top of handful of issues
>>>>> that we have to deal with? Any sensible person will realize that you
>>>>> cannot tackle all problems at once. In fact, all the management
>>>>> principles, deployed in daily life, at work or at home, in dealing with any
>>>>> set of problems teach only one thing, that to isolate the various issues
>>>>> and tackle one problem at a time in a methodical manner. The idea is that
>>>>> this approach is much faster and more effective than dealing with problems
>>>>> all at one time. This has been the underlying meaning in my previous as

>>>>> well as earlier communications.****
>>>>> 4. The core group which acts on behalf of the collective cause of

>>>>> Pranayam residents, let me assure you, is a very sensible group that
>>>>> functions in a transparent manner. So much so that we constantly invite
>>>>> everyone to come forward and help us in whatever way they can. It is not a
>>>>> closed group with fixed boundaries; nor is anyone’s position supreme. We
>>>>> have never taken decisions on the fly that are arbitrary and one-sided.
>>>>> This is unlike the past where in some instances a few had taken decisions
>>>>> on behalf of Pranayam residents without consulting a larger group of
>>>>> residents. I would like to elaborate one such incident, which most
>>>>> residents have opined, is not acceptable to them. (I am elaborating this in
>>>>> the next point). Where have I stated anything to the contrary?
>>>>> In all my emails, it’s been a constant point that my endeavor is not to
>>>>> question the core group / it’s actions. However by the language and tone
>>>>> of your email, it certainly appears that you are greatly irked at the
>>>>> nature of genuine concerns raised by someone who has chosen to differ and
>>>>> not joined chorus with others in singing praises for the core group.

>>>>> ****
>>>>> 5. Records available with the team show that you along with Pawan,

>>>>> getting so as well. ****
>>>>> 6. I could not understand why you raked up the issue of litigation

>>>>> in your mail when I cannot recall a single instance when the core group has
>>>>> discussed or for that matter even thought on these lines. Talking of
>>>>> litigation on the fly is unwarranted, particularly when no one is
>>>>> discussing or considering this. I failed to understand why this new seed is
>>>>> being planted in everyone’s mind all of a sudden. I hope you will desist
>>>>> from raking up such issues thoughtlessly, which I feel is akin to putting
>>>>> words in the mouths of others. The term litigation is loosely
>>>>> used and I do regret any particular inferences drawn from the same. The
>>>>> intent, I must once again state is not the provoke / instigate any
>>>>> reaction but the divert the attention to the most important single goal of
>>>>> possession. To say that this is planting a seed, or putting words in the
>>>>> mouths of others is completely baseless as we are all prudent enough to

>>>>> understand the consequences of civil litigations.****
>>>>> 7. You have questioned the veracity of verbal statements made by

>>>>> interests? ****
>>>>> 8. The fact that discussions and patience can yield great results

>>>>> will be evident to you once you come to know what benefits the efforts of
>>>>> GFWA has gathered for all Neherpar residents from the Haryana government.
>>>>> What you are questioning Papiya here should be directed to the GFWA,
>>>>> provided you have time. I will be glad to do so, and do need more
>>>>> time to do so. In directing my concerns to Papia / Bidyut, I approached

>>>>> only the people from whom we are receiving the details. ****
>>>>> 9. In the last paragraph of your email, you made a passing remark

>>>>> (or should I say advice) that ‘collective benefits’ should be taken up
>>>>> first and ‘individual benefits’ should not be given priority. Can you be a
>>>>> little more specific as to how and when did you draw the conclusion that
>>>>> there was any talk of ‘individual benefits’ here? Is EDC, license, poor
>>>>> construction or delayed construction an individual issue? When you are
>>>>> writing a letter to Papiya you are addressing her not as an individual but
>>>>> as a core group member, of which many of us are a part. Further, your last
>>>>> line advises the core group to take a ‘collective decision’ implying that
>>>>> such ‘collective decision’ is not being taken now. May I know what and how
>>>>> did you conclude this? Any communication on such sensitive issues should
>>>>> not contain frivolous phrases/sentences/opinions without presenting the
>>>>> complete picture to residents. Collective decision making is a
>>>>> constructive process. The fact that few other members have also expressed
>>>>> solidarity with the unconditional priority for possession cause is enough
>>>>> fact to understand that there is no clear unanimity on this subject. Yet,
>>>>> I am not in favor of going against each other. Going by your statements, I
>>>>> can only infer one thing, that individual credit is so important to you
>>>>> that you have failed to notice that you are destroying the very fabric of

>>>>> trust on which the core group functions. ****

>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thnx,
>>>>>
>>>>> Asim Chowdhury
>>>>> ****
>>>>>

>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:12 PM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:****

>>>>>
>>>>> Sending this email again from different ID as most of the people have

>>>>> not received the original email sent from gmail****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> Rattan N Whig****
>>>>>
>>>>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>>>>
>>>>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>

>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: *rattan whig* <ratta...@gmail.com>

>>>>> Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: <amit...@elofic.com>; <ashish...@gmail.com>; <
>>>>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in>; <amita...@yahoo.co.in>; <
>>>>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in>; <ananta...@gmail.com>; <
>>>>> arunjai...@gmail.com>; <arunam...@gmail.com>; <
>>>>> amrit...@yahoo.com>; <atanu_sinha

>>>>> To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>****

>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sending this email again as many people did not recieve it the first

>>>>> time.****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>

>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: *rattan whig* <ratta...@gmail.com>

>>>>> Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:40 AM
>>>>> Subject: amit...@elofic.com, ashish...@gmail.com,
>>>>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in, amita...@yahoo.co.in,
>>>>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in, ananta...@gmail.com,
>>>>> arunjai...@gmail.com, arunam...@gmail.com,
>>>>> amrit...@yahoo.com, atanu...@hotmail.com, anil.

>>>>> To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>****
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Papia,****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> I was not marked on the original email sent by you & got this through
>>>>> another member. As in my previous emails, I have few points which have not
>>>>> been considered / clarified enough, and which in my opinion deserve

>>>>> adequate attention.****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> At the onset to prevent any misunderstanding like earlier, let me
>>>>> clarify, a) that I am writing this email in my individual capacity and not
>>>>> as representative of any group, b) that my sole intent is timely possession
>>>>> of the flat, and c) that I am not against any one or any action proposed by
>>>>> any one, till the time that the said action or person goes against the

>>>>> purpose of securing timely possession of the units.****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> First, I will like to make it a point that I am not copied on any of
>>>>> your emails. I attended one of the first meetings on this subject held in
>>>>> India Habitat Center and was present with Bidyut at the Faridabad protest
>>>>> march and I requested to be included in your emails whenever we met in any
>>>>> such forums. I understand that this is your prerogative and you can decide
>>>>> who should be included, hence can only request to keep me involved, or at
>>>>> least informed. As a flat owner I guess I have an interest in your pursuit
>>>>> of this collective cause. In case you opine otherwise, its fine as well.

>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> Now coming to the main points raised in your email below. I have
>>>>> always maintained and still do feel that the best course is to pay the EDC
>>>>> demand and later decide on the legal intricacies. This may seem

>>>>> bewildering to a few, let me explain why it’s not.****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> First, we shall of course pay the demand under protest. Second, we
>>>>> can pay the demand in different ways, either as one consolidated payment in
>>>>> the manner it has been demanded, or segregated as two different payments,
>>>>> for “Interest” and “Principal”, which break up we can always ask PCL to
>>>>> provide us. This will also settle one of our main contentions regarding
>>>>> the breakup of the demand raised by PCL for enhanced EDC payment. We may
>>>>> suggest that the demand for “principal” component of EDC be paid up front,
>>>>> while payment demand for “interest” component can be kept in abeyance or
>>>>> through post dated cheque, pending the decision by government / regulators

>>>>> as indicated in your email below. ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> Third, perhaps most significantly, we must note that protest is not a
>>>>> viable option for many members. People who continue to stay on rent
>>>>> realize the pinch each month. This can be avoided by gaining timely
>>>>> possession. The debatable amount of EDC erroneously calculated by the
>>>>> builder is evidently offset against the additional rent being paid and to
>>>>> be paid in the coming months, which can be avoided in case completion
>>>>> certificate is delayed by the government / regulators on grounds of EDC
>>>>> payment not being cleared by the builder. Now, whether the balance
>>>>> outstanding on EDC payment is on account of current increment in EDC rates
>>>>> or previous EDC demands raised on the builder and not met, is really a non
>>>>> issue. Back of the envelope calculation tell that even in case 50% of the
>>>>> total EDC demand is erroneous, the same is less than 6 months’ rent paid

>>>>> out by one.****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> Litigation as an option to resolve any dispute is not really an option
>>>>> that we should consider. While there are strong examples like the recent
>>>>> DLF Belair apartment case, which sound and look great, through careful
>>>>> introspection one cannot help but notice that the judgment has not
>>>>> alleviated the condition of apartment owners. How much portion out of the
>>>>> total fine levied on the builder has been apportioned among the apartment
>>>>> buyers? Has the judgment, which is under appeal, stopped DLF or any other
>>>>> builder from using incomprehensible language in the agreements with

>>>>> individual purchasers? ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> Fourth, during the multiple meetings with DGT&CP, auditing of
>>>>> builders’ records, etc, out of the numerous encouraging statements
>>>>> mentioned in the email below, has anything been undertaken in writing by
>>>>> any government body? If yes, then what’s the sanctity of such documents
>>>>> and is it binding on the builder? If no, then shall we even consider those
>>>>> verbal statements which can easily change within minutes due to various
>>>>> external factors including but not limited to transfer of officials (case
>>>>> in point, Noida authority chairman was changed 4 times within one month)?

>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe we must answer these & other questions before proceeding.***
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> On the other points regarding PCL not meeting desired standards or
>>>>> defaulting from its commitment, the best way & perhaps only way forward is
>>>>> through dialog. I am not a diplomat, neither am I averse to taking risks,
>>>>> however before taking any recourse one must weigh the pros and cons, sort
>>>>> of do a cost benefit analysis. In this case, if one looks objectively,
>>>>> cost is significantly higher than the benefits one hopes to realize. I
>>>>> must stress any benefits that are being proposed must be classified as
>>>>> tangible & intangible. Intangible benefits that don’t translate in to any
>>>>> real outcome must be ignored. We must keep our individual egos aside, sort
>>>>> of leave emotions at the door, as these will only jeopardize the entire

>>>>> future. ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> I have not paid the EDC demand currently & shall only do so with the
>>>>> group. It’s not my intention to cause a rift within the group, only to
>>>>> ensure that collective benefits are realized first and any individual
>>>>> benefits don’t take priority. My humble opinion as mentioned above, lets

>>>>> take a wise collective decision and avoid any dispute at this stage. *

>>>>> ***
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> Rattan N Whig****
>>>>>
>>>>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>>>>
>>>>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>> -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP
>>>>> ON 26.01.2012 From: "R.Kapur" To: papiabha...@gmail.com CC:
>>>>> amit...@elofic.com,ashish...@gmail.com,ashoow...@yahoo.co.in,
>>>>> amita...@yahoo.co.in,anand_...@yahoo.co.in,
>>>>> ananta...@gmail.com,arunjai...@gmail.com,arunam...@gmail.com
>>>>> ,amrit...@yahoo.com,atanu...@hotmail.com,anil....@goodyear.com
>>>>> ,ABHISH...@gmail.com,ashok....@gmail.com,anan...@airtel.in,
>>>>> akhi...@yahoo.com,arun...@yahoo.com,agrawa...@yahoo.com,
>>>>> abhish...@rediffmail.com,arya_n...@yahoo.co.in,
>>>>> aggar...@yahoo.com,ashish....@plantronics.com,
>>>>> aggarwa...@yahoo.com,a_k...@hotmail.com,
>>>>> anand_g...@yahoo.co.in,amits...@airtelmail.in,
>>>>> archa...@yahoo.com,arj...@yahoo.com,anubhav...@gmail.com,
>>>>> ajay....@ads-ooh.co.in,anil....@mcann.com,
>>>>> anandka...@yahoo.com,amank...@aimil.com,
>>>>> asim.ch...@gmail.com,abpa...@gmail.com,ajay....@outdooradz.com
>>>>> ,akta...@hotmail.com,ajayth...@yahoo.com,amit...@googlemail.com
>>>>> ,ban...@gmail.com,brama...@gmail.com,bhupis...@hotmail.com,

>>>>> balvinde...@gmail.com,bmkat...@yahoo.com,ban...@gmail.com,
>>>>> csatr...@yahoo.com,ccnph...@gmail.com,contact...@yahoo.com,
>>>>> charn...@gmail.com,chauhan....@gmail.com,cap...@gmail.com,
>>>>> dane...@gmail.com,dhane...@gmail.com,dgx...@gmail.com,
>>>>> dwark...@gmail.com,Dheera...@iqor.com,darsh...@hotmail.com,
>>>>> dahiy...@gmail.com,deepa...@comcast.net,
>>>>> dennis.th...@gmail.com,damera...@gmail.com,
>>>>> damera...@yahoo.com,deepak...@bankofamerica.com,
>>>>> dco...@gmail.com ****
>>>>>
>>>>> *'BRAVO'*
>>>>>

>>>>> I totally support the decision taken in the meeting and would like to
>>>>> join the association immediately on its formation.
>>>>>
>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>>

>>>>> Ravi ****

>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Papia Bhatachaarji <

>>>>> papiabha...@gmail.com> wrote:****
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear All ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>

>>>>> Here's the Minutes of the Meeting held on January 26, 2012:****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> *I. DISCUSSION ON ADDITIONAL PAYMENT ON ACCOUNT OF ENHANCED EDC
>>>>> *****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> *Recap*****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> The meeting started with recap of the earlier events:****
>>>>>
>>>>> - In late September 2011 PCL issued demand notice for additional
>>>>> EDC;****
>>>>> - We met on the 16th of October, 2011 and unanimously agreed to

>>>>> ask PCL to provide us a copy of the demand raised by the DGT&CP including

>>>>> calculations of additional EDC, details of EDC paid,etc. ****
>>>>> - We sent individual letters and submitted a group memorandum to
>>>>> PCL****
>>>>> - PCL did not provide us full information. they only provided us

>>>>> calculation on EDC and calculation of additional amount payable on account
>>>>> of enhanced EDC on plain A4 sheets of paper but neither did they sent to us
>>>>> either the demand notice received from DGT&CP nor, did they furnish the

>>>>> date-wise duly audited details of EDC paid ****
>>>>> - We again sent intimation individually and group representation

>>>>> asking PCL to provide the said documents on their letterhead duly signed by

>>>>> a senior managerial person****
>>>>> - PCL sent us signed copy of detailed EDC calculation, signed copy

>>>>> of additional EDC calculation but did not send us the audited copy of EDC

>>>>> paid disclosing dates on which EDC paid, etc. ****
>>>>> - We got the DGT&CP's computation of additional amount on account
>>>>> of enhanced EDC in case of OMAXE project.****
>>>>> - We met PCL team which included Mr.Arjun Puri. PCL team claimed

>>>>> that they have not received any demand / computation from DGT&CP except
>>>>> that they dug out the one-page demand notice (only the covering letter)
>>>>> from Countrywide Promoters office. He mentioned that he'll write to DGT&CP
>>>>> requesting them to send the demand raised in PCL's name and also request
>>>>> them to waive the interest on enhanced EDC upto the date of receipt of the
>>>>> revised demand letter . This apart, the PCL team could not show us
>>>>> sufficient evidence to satisfy our queries. (please refer MOM of the PCL

>>>>> meeting circulated earlier)****
>>>>> - Mr.Arjun Puri called up one of the members to inform that PCL

>>>>> has sent the letter to DGT&CP and has an acknowledgement from DGT&CP in

>>>>> record.****
>>>>> - As agreed during the meeting with PCL, the core group finalized

>>>>> the MOM of their meeting with PCL and sent it to Arjun Puri to sign. Arjun

>>>>> Puri refused saying that he did not agree with the MOM****
>>>>> - Core group requested PCL/ Kaushik Sengupta to provide

>>>>> computation of interest on Enhanced EDC. Inspite of several reminders the

>>>>> same has not been provided till date by PCL.****
>>>>> - Mohinder Puri wrote a letter to some apartment buyers asking

>>>>> them to pay-up the enhanced EDC demand failing which inspection of

>>>>> apartment will not be allowed.****
>>>>>
>>>>> *Meetings With DGT&CP Officials*****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>

>>>>> The core group has been closely interacting with the GFWA. A
>>>>> contingent of representatives from various GHS of the Neharpar Area,
>>>>> Faridabad (including member from Pranayam group) met the DGT&CP and
>>>>> apprised him of the plight and ordeal the apartment buyers were facing as
>>>>> the cartel of Neharpar developers have adopted pressurizing tactics to
>>>>> induce the plot and apartment buyers to pay up their(developers') undue
>>>>> illegal demands in the garb of additional EDC to the Govt. In their
>>>>> submission before the authorities the apartment buyers' group brought out
>>>>> these points vividly. The Director General Mr.T.C.Gupta after giving a
>>>>> patient hearing informed the group that the authorities were considering to
>>>>> bring out a notification waiving-off the interest on additional demand on
>>>>> enhanced EDC from January 2009 till the date of demand. He said, this
>>>>> waiver will give substantial relief to all the apartment and plot buyers of
>>>>> Neharpar area. This apart, he promised to conduct an audit of the
>>>>> builders' book of accounts and document to assess whether they are
>>>>> collecting extra money from apartment and plot buyers in the garb of
>>>>> additional payment on account of enhanced EDC. For carrying out the
>>>>> audit/inspection Mr.Gupta requested for case studies of at least 2 cases
>>>>> from each developer. Accordingly, a list was forwarded to him by GFWA

>>>>> comprising 2-3 instances from each GHS.****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****

>>>>>
>>>>> The accounts team of DGT&CP came to audit/inspect the book of accounts
>>>>> of builders with reference to cases referred to them. They spent 2 days
>>>>> 24th and 25th Jan 2012 visiting the offices of all these developers,
>>>>> presumably inspected their records vis a vis the cases GFWA team forwarded
>>>>> to them and other cases in random (as we were informed by them).
>>>>> Thereafter, the audit team met up the contingent of representatives from
>>>>> various GHS at the DTP office in Sector 12 Faridabad. The meeting was
>>>>> attended by representatives from BPTP (plot owners), BPTP (various GHS
>>>>> apartment owners), Omaxe GHS, Piyush GHS, RPS Savana, Puri-Pranayam,SPR,
>>>>> SRS, Uppal Builders, etc. (Incidentally, Uppal Builders have not raised
>>>>> any additional charges demand on account of enhanced EDC).The GHS groups
>>>>> had a prolonged meeting of about 3-4 hours with the aforesaid accounts team

>>>>> on 25th Jan, 2012 evening.****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> During the meeting all of us were informed by the authorities that :**
>>>>> **
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. DGT&CP is shortly coming out with a notification waiving the

>>>>> demand for interest from January 1, 2009. We were apprised that according
>>>>> to this notification interest will be payable by the developer if the
>>>>> additional amount on account of enhanced EDC is not made in time from the
>>>>> date of demand notice. The effect will be that there will be substantial
>>>>> relief due to waiver of interest for 28 months; This notification is in the

>>>>> reckoning and expected very shortly, within a month's time,****
>>>>> 2. DGT&CP is not pressing the developers to make the payment of

>>>>> additional demand on account of enhanced EDC as the notification for

>>>>> interest waiver is in the reckoning, and ****
>>>>> 3. The audit team were also to verify whether the builders' demand

>>>>> from customers (plot / apartment buyers) was in line with the demand levied

>>>>> by the DGT&CP. ****
>>>>>
>>>>> The representatives brought to the notice of the authorities that:****
>>>>>
>>>>> - Most of the builders were charging interest @ 15% and 18%

>>>>> (overdue) from the buyers payable in one go whereas, they were making the
>>>>> payment @ 9% and 15% (overdue) in 4 installments. Further, they were not
>>>>> passing the benefit of moratorium for 12 months granted to them by
>>>>> authorities to the buyers. This is one of the ways the builders were
>>>>> extorting excess money from apartment /plot buyers in the guise of

>>>>> additional payment on account of enhanced EDC.****
>>>>> - Also, builders were charging additional amount on account of

>>>>> enhanced EDC for the entire area of land without giving abatement for the
>>>>> areas like clubs, school/s, shopping centers, medical clinics, other
>>>>> un-constructed area which they'll sell on a later date.It was brought out
>>>>> that these areas were under ownership of the builders and the buyers were
>>>>> specifically precluded to claim any ownership rights and title on these
>>>>> areas vide clauses and specific annexure/s in the builder-buyer agreement.
>>>>> It was also pointed out that when the developer sells out these areas to
>>>>> third parties they would charge EDC at enhanced rate from the third party

>>>>> buyers as well, and pocket the amounts. ****
>>>>> - Further, it was specifically stated that as the rates of EDC and

>>>>> IDC are transparently available the builders are trying to play with the

>>>>> total saleable area and other financial tricks.****
>>>>> - The responsibility of paying the EDC and IDC is basically that

>>>>> of the builder and if any portion of the project remains unsold than, the
>>>>> builder will not burden the rest of the buyers for the principal as well as
>>>>> interest amounts in the EDC and IDC relating to such unused / unsold space.

>>>>> ****
>>>>> - As the builder could have paid the EDC and IDC in lumpsum within

>>>>> 30 days of the grant of licence but they opted to pay the same in multiple
>>>>> equated installments for their own financial convenience therefore, they
>>>>> cannot pass the burden to the apartment buyers as that would be illegal and

>>>>> against the principle of natural justice.****
>>>>> - Further,it was also submitted that that, whereas, all the

>>>>> builders had collected practically 35% of the total dues at the time of
>>>>> booking, they should have cleared all statutory financial dues first so
>>>>> that the interest burden is limited only upto the date of first payment by
>>>>> the buyer and not beyond. Instead, they either paid the dues substantially
>>>>> later and deliberately let the interest burden accumulate to be passed on

>>>>> to the buyer, which is also illegal. ****
>>>>> - It was also submitted that as the buyer paid EDC and IDC as per

>>>>> the construction-linked payment plan scheme or lumpsum payment plan scheme
>>>>> advertised by the builder therefore, the buyers were not responsible for
>>>>> either the installment plan for payment of the interest nor could they be
>>>>> held responsible for payment of the interest due to delays. It was grossly
>>>>> illegal to charge / load the buyers with the element of such interest

>>>>> burden.****
>>>>> - Any increase in the super area should be duly approved by the

>>>>> DGT&CP and should be incorporated in the revised layout plan and only, than

>>>>> in the calculation of EDC and IDC.****
>>>>> - It was pointed out that since the builders were enhancing the

>>>>> basic sale price over the time scale they should absorb the cost of
>>>>> increased construction of non FAR areas in the increased profit and not

>>>>> load the burden on the buyer.****
>>>>> - It was also submitted that one of the reasonsfor enhanced EDC is

>>>>> due to huge outstanding / non-payment of EDC and IDC (even the old EDC and
>>>>> IDC). Therefore, raising illegal demands taking opportunity of enhanced
>>>>> EDC charges is totally untenable in law and therefore, grossly a criminal
>>>>> offence. Hence, as per the norms of agreement between the DGT&CP and
>>>>> builder, the DGT&CP should consider cancellation of the licences of the
>>>>> builders and where the licence is due for renewal, the same should not be

>>>>> renewed.****
>>>>> - Collection of extra amounts in excess of what is demanded by the
>>>>> DGT&CP is grossly illegal.****

>>>>>
>>>>> Appropriate documented submissions were also made to the authorities
>>>>> and we were assured by the authorities that the same will be considered by

>>>>> the DGT&CP. ****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> Decision:****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>

>>>>> All those present in this meeting of Pranayam Apartment Buyers raised
>>>>> their hand to confirm that none had paid the additional demand of PCL on
>>>>> account of enhanced EDC, it was unanimously agreed that the group would
>>>>> wait till the notification and further instruction from the authorities in

>>>>> this regard.****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> *II. ANY OTHER MATTER*****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>

>>>>> 1. Many members felt that an apartment buyers association must be

>>>>> formed and a bank account should be opened so that the membership

>>>>> subscription can be deposited for meeting the expenses. ****
>>>>> 2. Some members expressed concern over the quality of construction

>>>>> work done at "THE PRANAYAM" and certain others mentioned that the
>>>>> builder-buyer agreement as well as the proposed maintenance agreements are
>>>>> one-sided totally favoring the builder's interest which must also be

>>>>> looked-into by the proposed association.****
>>>>> 3. One of the members present explained to the group that "THE

>>>>> PRNAYAM" site is infested with local anti-social elements who do not let
>>>>> the apartment buyers to take photograph of the work done for their
>>>>> respective towers as he had witnessed an incident when a local person
>>>>> snatched-away the camera from one of the buyers and deleted

>>>>> the photographs taken by him.****
>>>>> 4. All present unanimously agreed that it is only with cohesive

>>>>> action we could stop PCL from extracting undue and unjustified money

>>>>> demands from us, the apartment buyers.****
>>>>> 5. Some members suggested that the group should re-visit the the
>>>>> "increased area demand of PCL in 2010".****
>>>>> 6. One of the members present informed that he regularly passes-by

>>>>> "THE PRANAYAM" site area and updated that the EWS building structure
>>>>> roof-casting has been done upto the 6th or 7th floor but brick-work of that
>>>>> building is not in place as yet. In his opinion the earliest occupancy is
>>>>> subject to completion of EWS building.He cited that as per the Haryana
>>>>> Building By-laws,for the grant of occupancy certificate EWS units should

>>>>> stand fully constructed. ****
>>>>> 7. Those present unanimously agreed that issues should be taken-up

>>>>> one at a time with PCL. One of the members pointed out that all
>>>>> communications to PCL should only be by registered post or speed post.

>>>>> ****
>>>>> 8. All present were informed that a number of RTIs are pending and

>>>>> the same are expected shortly. It was explained that there were no reason

>>>>> to meet-up PCL till we have substantial information in hand.****
>>>>> 9. Some members felt that there is a greater need for

>>>>> participation and volunteered to serve the group in various ways.

>>>>> ****
>>>>> 10. It was unanimously voiced by all present that they will

>>>>> participate to make the group stronger in the interest of all apartment
>>>>> buyers and future neighbors of "THE PRANAYAM" , make it a wonderful place
>>>>> to live-in and, also make it the best address in the Greater Faridabad
>>>>> Area.One of the members thanked the group for their continuous support and

>>>>> cooperation.****
>>>>>
>>>>> The meeting ended with great thanks to all present.****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards****
>>>>>
>>>>> Papia****
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
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[Anand Jha]

I don't want you rattan n ramneek to be prt of core gp

We don't want emi gr pl
Best Regards Anand Jha. +919810390102

----- Original Message -----
From: Pawan Kumar Hemrajani [pawa...@gmail.com]
Sent: 02/01/2012 10:33 PM ZE5B

[Anand Jha]

No one wants earlier core group member to be part of this current group Best Regards Anand Jha. +919810390102

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: 02/01/2012 05:09 PM GMT
To: "Pawan Kumar Hemrajani" <pawa...@gmail.com>

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Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

Dear Pawan,

As I have done in the past, I volunteer to become a member of the core group to shoulder the responsibilites.

Best Regards,

Rattan N Whig

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To: rattan whig<ratta...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

Dear Ajay-ji, Rattan-ji,

> Best Regards,
> Rattan N Whig
>

> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Ajay Sharma <ajays...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Everybody
>>
>> lot of mails........
>> every mail forced to think otherwise of other .....
>> somebody please let everybody know the below
>>
>> a. who all are part of core group ?
>> b. What are the current problem looked into? & their impact on us
>> c. Any mitigation plan to cater these problems?
>> d. Where do we stand wrt plan?
>> e. Do there any way to put pressure on builder to get the possession at
>> earliest possible?
>>
>> personally, I agreed with Sudipto. if we can put pressure on builder by
>> paying edc as per our calculations, why not consider it? at the end of
>> day,
>> we all know that dtcp has increased the edc and everybody have to pay it,
>> unless reversed by court which is not going in happen soon.
>>
>> Ajay
>>
>>

>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Rattan N Whig****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Asim Chowdhury [mailto:asim.ch...@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:21 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* Rattan Whig

>>>>>>> *Cc:* amit...@elofic.com; ashish...@gmail.com;

>>>>>>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in; amita...@yahoo.co.in;
>>>>>>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in; ananta...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> arunjai...@gmail.com; arunam...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> amrit...@yahoo.com; atanu...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> anil....@goodyear.com; ABHISH...@gmail.com;

>>>>>>> ashok....@gmail.com; anan...@airtel.in; akhi...@yahoo.com;

>>>>>>> arun...@yahoo.com; agrawa...@yahoo.com;
>>>>>>> abhish...@rediffmail.com; arya_n...@yahoo.co.in;
>>>>>>> aggar...@yahoo.com; ashish....@plantronics.com;
>>>>>>> aggarwa...@yahoo.com; a_k...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> anand_g...@yahoo.co.in; amits...@airtelmail.in;
>>>>>>> archa...@yahoo.com; arj...@yahoo.com; anubhav...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> ajay....@ads-ooh.co.in; anil....@mcann.com;
>>>>>>> anandka...@yahoo.com; amank...@aimil.com; abpa...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> ajay....@outdooradz.com; akta...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> ajayth...@yahoo.com; amit...@googlemail.com; ban...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> brama...@gmail.com; bhupis...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> balvinde...@gmail.com; bmkat...@yahoo.com; ban...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> csatr...@yahoo.com; ccnph...@gmail.com; contact...@yahoo.com;
>>>>>>> charn...@gmail.com; chauhan....@gmail.com; cap...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> dane...@gmail.com; dhane...@gmail.com; dgx...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> dwark...@gmail.com; Dheera...@iqor.com;
>>>>>>> darsh...@hotmail.com; dahiy...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> deepa...@comcast.net; dennis.th...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> damera...@gmail.com; damera...@yahoo.com;

>>>>>>> deepak...@bankofamerica.com; dco...@gmail.com;

>>>>>>> pawa...@gmail.com; pra...@indocan.ca; poonamsh...@gmail.com;

>>>>>>> ssamb...@gmail.com; sudipto...@gmail.com;

>>>>>>> sanjay...@hotmail.com; sdy...@yahoo.com; srir...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> subrot...@hotmail.com; savi_...@yahoo.com; sune...@yahoo.com;
>>>>>>> sharma...@yahoo.co.uk; santan...@gmail.com; skm...@yahoo.com;
>>>>>>> sud...@maricoworld.net; shubendr...@hcl.in;
>>>>>>> satb...@gmail.com; sachi...@hotmail.com; seem...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> negi_s...@yahoo.com; sn...@deloitte.com; shu...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> shub...@gmail.com; sti...@essar.com; sumeet...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> saiba...@gmrgroup.in; shashan...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> sanil....@asianpaints.com; sunan...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> sunand...@yahoo.com; sudee...@yahoo.com;
>>>>>>> skag...@ipolicynetworks.com; sachin...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> Sunil...@arcelormittal.com; sshar...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> surys...@gmail.com; sub...@techsoftindia.com;
>>>>>>> sunilsha...@hotmail.com; tiwarim...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> tiwari...@gmail.com; tanu...@gmail.com; tkvar...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> thakra...@yahoo.com; TOGO_...@yahoo.com; verm...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> viv...@sify.com; vicky...@rediffmail.com; vbpat...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> vive...@gmail.com; vikas.s...@unilever.com;
>>>>>>> vikasr...@sify.com; vb...@rediffmail.com; vine...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> vineet...@gmail.com; vikr...@gmail.com; vijay....@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> vijaya...@googlemail.com; vn22...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> vaibha...@yahoo.co.in; was...@gmail.com; writ...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> yogesh...@yahoo.com; yogesh...@gmail.com;

>>>>>>> pranayam...@googlegroups.com; papiabha...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> ratta...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>> Subject: <amit...@elofic.com>; <ashish...@gmail.com>; <

>>>>>>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in>; <amita...@yahoo.co.in>; <
>>>>>>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in>; <ananta...@gmail.com>; <
>>>>>>> arunjai...@gmail.com>; <arunam...@gmail.com>; <

>>>>>>> ananta...@gmail.com,arunjai...@gmail.com,
>>>>>>> arunam...@gmail.com,amrit...@yahoo.com,atanu...@hotmail.com,
>>>>>>> anil....@goodyear.com,ABHISH...@gmail.com,
>>>>>>> ashok....@gmail.com,anan...@airtel.in,akhi...@yahoo.com,
>>>>>>> arun...@yahoo.com,agrawa...@yahoo.com,abhish...@rediffmail.com
>>>>>>> ,arya_n...@yahoo.co.in,aggar...@yahoo.com,
>>>>>>> ashish....@plantronics.com,aggarwa...@yahoo.com,
>>>>>>> a_k...@hotmail.com,anand_g...@yahoo.co.in,
>>>>>>> amits...@airtelmail.in,archa...@yahoo.com,arj...@yahoo.com,
>>>>>>> anubhav...@gmail.com,ajay....@ads-ooh.co.in,
>>>>>>> anil....@mcann.com,anandka...@yahoo.com,amank...@aimil.com
>>>>>>> ,asim.ch...@gmail.com,abpa...@gmail.com,
>>>>>>> ajay....@outdooradz.com,akta...@hotmail.com,
>>>>>>> ajayth...@yahoo.com,amit...@googlemail.com,ban...@gmail.com,
>>>>>>> brama...@gmail.com,bhupis...@hotmail.com,

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> Best Regards,
>
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[Ramneek Sethi]

Hi All

Though i did not received lot's of mails on the Google group starting last night. But heard about it from friends..

Without giving any clarifications, I would like to make my point very clear, I was part of the meeting on 26th Jan, did not get to meet Biduyat but did spoke with Asim about my concerns like why possession is more important to me. These points were not in the meeting minutes, that's why I wrote the mail around my POV.

EDC issues are being working actively by GFWA, in perallel we need to start Active dialogue with PCL around Possession and Quality issues with individual flats as only PCL will fix those issues and nobody else.

I feel a constructive dialogue needs to start with PCL, if we start discussions with negative notes then personally I do not expect a lot. I am fine if any member based in NCR would like to take lead on PCL front but this should happen for sure..

Regards

Ramneek

[ratta...@gmail.com]

Dear Anand,

What are you referring to? You have sent some 5 - 6 emails directed to Pawan, Balvinder and others initially and then directed to me, Pawan and Ramneek. What is your real agenda and on whose behalf are you acting?

Why do you feel your opinion on others become important, just in the last two hours that you've been active?

I and others are expressing our individual views. What is so offending in our views is something I don't understand? Please explain why can't we express our views? And if our views find resonance and support from others within the fraternity, then should those views not be adapted as common agenda for the core group to pursue?

Best Regards,

Rattan N Whig

Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

-----Original Message-----

From: Anand Jha <Anan...@in.airtel.com>
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 00:20:28

[Anand Jha]

Dear Rattan

Am active member

Not replying mail doesn't mean I am inactive

We met @ IHC during super areas increasing ,

We trusted then core member as I failed to get any response from Pur

Even though , I was sure that core team did not their job correctly ( sir am engineer , my one brother is arch , second one s. CS n LLB who workS for reputed builder, third brother is Civil eng who woks in PWD)
I paid super areas pay out based upon ur commitment , in fact puri took our signature on your agreed mom ( we signed that mom ) as accepted you 5 as our representative

Going fwd we ( I) don't authorized you 5 to represent us for any matter . We only authorize Asim n Papia do so , you all 5 may withdraw from this gr

We accepted you 5 as leaders to represent our view in past , it doesn't entitle you abuse our current core members ( asim n papia)

You may be very articulation ( I know how). Doesn't entitle to be our leader going fwd

You all have shown ur true clr ,

Finally we don't want clash , you all 5 were leader in super area payout ,we honored you by paying same. , Now its your turn to be led by more intellectual n professional n experienced people

Hence please respect new gr , ur interest will be taken care

PS - Papia n Asim and other wil lead our gr for this en devour till possession. , you may have your own emi gr

Note _ sorry friend , I don't even I pay enhanced edc , Willi I get my flat now without and any litigation

Best Regards

Anand Jha. +919810390102

----- Original Message -----
From: rattan.whig
Sent: 02/01/2012 07:21 PM GMT

[Anand Jha]

I don't want you to be there Best Regards Anand Jha. +919810390102

----- Original Message -----
From: rattan.whig
Sent: 02/01/2012 05:09 PM GMT
To: "Pawan Kumar Hemrajani" <pawa...@gmail.com>
Cc: "deepak aswani" <deepak...@gmail.com>; "deepak_aswani" <deepak...@hotmail.com>; "Deepak Aswani" <deepak...@bankofamerica.com>; dinesh...@yahoo.com; "Ajay Sharma" <ajays...@gmail.com>; pranayam...@googlegroups.com; "Asim Chowdhury" <asim.ch...@gmail.com>; ratta...@wipro.com; amit...@elofic.com; ashish...@gmail.com; ashoow...@yahoo.co.in; amita...@yahoo.co.in; anand_...@yahoo.co.in; ananta...@gmail.com; arunjai...@gmail.com; arunam...@gmail.com; amrit...@yahoo.com; atanu...@hotmail.com; anil....@goodyear.com; ABHISH...@gmail.com; ashok....@gmail.com; Anand Jha; akhi...@yahoo.com; arun...@yahoo.com; agrawa...@yahoo.com; abhish...@rediffmail.com; arya_n...@yahoo.co.in; aggar...@yahoo.com; ashish....@plantronics.com; aggarwa...@yahoo.com; a_k...@hotmail.com; anand_g...@yahoo.co.in
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

Dear Pawan,

As I have done in the past, I volunteer to become a member of the core group to shoulder the responsibilites.

Best Regards,

Rattan N Whig
Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

-----Original Message-----
From: Pawan Kumar Hemrajani <pawa...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 22:33:46
To: rattan whig<ratta...@gmail.com>
Cc: deepak aswani<deepak...@gmail.com>; deepak_aswani<deepak...@hotmail.com>; Deepak Aswani<deepak...@bankofamerica.com>; <dinesh...@yahoo.com>; Ajay Sharma<ajays...@gmail.com>; <pranayam...@googlegroups.com>; Asim Chowdhury<asim.ch...@gmail.com>; <ratta...@wipro.com>; <amit...@elofic.com>; <ashish...@gmail.com>; <ashoow...@yahoo.co.in>; <amita...@yahoo.co.in>; <anand_...@yahoo.co.in>; <ananta...@gmail.com>; <arunjai...@gmail.com>; <arunam...@gmail.com>; <amrit...@yahoo.com>; <atanu...@hotmail.com>; <anil....@goodyear.com>; <ABHISH...@gmail.com>; <ashok....@gmail.com>; <anan...@airtel.in>; <akhi...@yahoo.com>; <arun...@yahoo.com>; <agrawa...@yahoo.com>; <abhish...@rediffmail.com>; <arya_n...@yahoo.co.in>; <aggar...@yahoo.com>; <ashish....@plantronics.com>; <aggarwa...@yahoo.com>; <a_k...@hotmail.com>; <anand_g...@yahoo.co.in>; <amits...@airtelmail.in>; <archa...@yahoo.com>; <arj...@yahoo.com>; <anubhav...@gmail.com>; <ajay....@ads-ooh.co.in>; <anil....@mcann.com>; <anandka...@yahoo.com>; 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Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

Dear Ajay-ji, Rattan-ji,

> Best Regards,
> Rattan N Whig
>

> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Ajay Sharma <ajays...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Everybody
>>
>> lot of mails........
>> every mail forced to think otherwise of other .....
>> somebody please let everybody know the below
>>
>> a. who all are part of core group ?
>> b. What are the current problem looked into? & their impact on us
>> c. Any mitigation plan to cater these problems?
>> d. Where do we stand wrt plan?
>> e. Do there any way to put pressure on builder to get the possession at
>> earliest possible?
>>
>> personally, I agreed with Sudipto. if we can put pressure on builder by
>> paying edc as per our calculations, why not consider it? at the end of
>> day,
>> we all know that dtcp has increased the edc and everybody have to pay it,
>> unless reversed by court which is not going in happen soon.
>>
>> Ajay
>>
>>

>>> Regards
>>> Sudipto

>>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:26 PM, sudipto chatterjee <
>>>> sudipto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> First of all my apology for being absent since long in the entire issue
>>>>> due to some personal problem. However I have been following each and
>>>>> every
>>>>> development in the entire EDC issue. My sincere thanks to all members
>>>>> of
>>>>> the core group for taking the problem on behalf of each member of
>>>>> PRANAYAM.
>>>>>
>>>>> However suddenly I can some exchange of mails on some small issues and
>>>>> we are hereby drifting for the real bone of contention. I would like to
>>>>> pin
>>>>> point any particular individual as this entire problem is affecting all
>>>>> members of PRANAYAM. I am penning down my own POV on the entire issue
>>>>> and
>>>>> just request every one to ponder upon the same
>>>>>
>>>>>

>>>>> 1. I think our utmost emphasis to given on the earliest possession

>>>>> although I appreciate the effort is made to sort out the other
>>>>> issues like
>>>>> EDC and Licencing part. But we must understand that we have already
>>>>> paid

>>>>> 95% of the total cost which is nothing less than *4.8-5 Mn* *which
>>>>> by any means is a huge money for any middle class family. *Now if

>>>>> we keep trying to address the other problems (which is genuine as
>>>>> well) and
>>>>> in that process give chance to PCL to make us responsible for
>>>>> delayed
>>>>> possession it would only help the builders.

>>>>> 2. In the current situation most of us are incurring the cost of

>>>>> rent which is nothing less than 17-18K and also the EMI which is
>>>>> also
>>>>> around 35-40K totaling up to appx 55-60K. Now if we keep fighting
>>>>> against
>>>>> the builder and not come to a solution which allow us to take
>>>>> possession
>>>>> earliest we will keep incurring above the cost for an infinite time
>>>>> which
>>>>> actually at the end will cost us more what we might save by not
>>>>> paying the
>>>>> enhance EDC (which is coming out to be Rs20/sqft as calculated by
>>>>> the core
>>>>> group) right now. Actually this will give builder to buy time and
>>>>> play the
>>>>> delay tactic.

>>>>> 3. In India we all know any legal battle (say we go that way right

>>>>>> 1. I am attaching the license document for all to see. Serial No.

>>>>>> 367 lists some area in sector 82 and 85 as PLOTTED. Therefore, we
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> residents need more clarification. It is surprising that you moved
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> assumption that whatever Puri is saying is correct when there is
>>>>>> information in this document that is compelling me to question the
>>>>>> license.
>>>>>> Without access to a copy of the official license I have no reason
>>>>>> to assume
>>>>>> that what PCL is saying is right or wrong. I should at best be
>>>>>> critical. I
>>>>>> hope you got my point. Also the long history of countrywide
>>>>>> developer’s
>>>>>> license in sectors that are not related to us is irrelevant here.
>>>>>> Let the
>>>>>> residents go through the license document and draw their own
>>>>>> conclusions.

>>>>>> 2. Appreciate your unconvincing ‘gyan’ on management. The core

>>>>>> group will take up issues as and when it deems fit. Individuals can
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> suggest.

>>>>>> 3. What you call as your 'genuine' concern is surely not the

>>>>>> concern of all residents. Further, the core group consists of some
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> finest professionals in their respective fields and surely do not
>>>>>> need to
>>>>>> concern themselves on whether they are praised or not. Such
>>>>>> expectations
>>>>>> are best left to the wannabes.

>>>>>> 4. The fact that the trust of residents has been compromised by a

>>>>>> few on the increased area discussion is a fact. Many residents, who
>>>>>> attended the last meeting at IHC, had shared this opinion with me.

>>>>>> 5. Discussing on issues such as litigation etc. should not be done

>>>>>> on the fly (Thankfully, you agreed on this).

>>>>>> 6. Any discussion on meetings with government officials should be

>>>>>> addressed to GFWA. The core group is not authorized to speak on
>>>>>> behalf of
>>>>>> the GFWA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, let this be an end to this discussion that began with your
>>>>>> mail. At the end of the day individual residents will do what they
>>>>>> feel is
>>>>>> right and so there is no reason why they should be presented with such
>>>>>> unwanted discourse. Let us keep our opinions to ourselves and do what
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> feel is right. Only time will tell who was right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tnx,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:41 AM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hi Asim,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your email. My responses are given below, point by
>>>>>>> point. Please take the pain of going through my detailed responses,
>>>>>>> which

>>>>>>> I hope are able to dispel the misrepresentation of facts.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Going through your email and what you refer to as “facts”, the
>>>>>>> painful ignorance is ever so revealing. The various terms used,
>>>>>>> parochial,
>>>>>>> cognitive dissonance, accused of creating unwanted tensions, putting
>>>>>>> words
>>>>>>> in others mouths, whimsical opinion, etc are only profoundly
>>>>>>> misplaced.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To all fellow members, let me again clarify that I am not against the
>>>>>>> group, or any of its actions, or any of the members. Sometimes, a
>>>>>>> critical
>>>>>>> opinion is a better opinion, and one must learn to take such opinions
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> stride, no matter how contrary they may appear to be to the populist
>>>>>>> stance.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With all due respect to all members, I have only chosen to express a
>>>>>>> different path for issue resolution. I fail to understand the state
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> mind which considers the path suggested to be against any one
>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>> member. However if anyone still feels so, I personally appeal to
>>>>>>> ignore my

>>>>>>> suggestion.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rattan N Whig****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Asim Chowdhury [mailto:asim.ch...@gmail.com]
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:21 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* Rattan Whig

>>>>>>> *Cc:* amit...@elofic.com; ashish...@gmail.com;

>>>>>>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in; amita...@yahoo.co.in;
>>>>>>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in; ananta...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> arunjai...@gmail.com; arunam...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> amrit...@yahoo.com; atanu...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> anil....@goodyear.com; ABHISH...@gmail.com;

>>>>>>> ashok....@gmail.com; anan...@airtel.in; akhi...@yahoo.com;

>>>>>>> arun...@yahoo.com; agrawa...@yahoo.com;
>>>>>>> abhish...@rediffmail.com; arya_n...@yahoo.co.in;
>>>>>>> aggar...@yahoo.com; ashish....@plantronics.com;
>>>>>>> aggarwa...@yahoo.com; a_k...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> anand_g...@yahoo.co.in; amits...@airtelmail.in;
>>>>>>> archa...@yahoo.com; arj...@yahoo.com; anubhav...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> ajay....@ads-ooh.co.in; anil....@mcann.com;
>>>>>>> anandka...@yahoo.com; amank...@aimil.com; abpa...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> ajay....@outdooradz.com; akta...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> ajayth...@yahoo.com; amit...@googlemail.com; ban...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> brama...@gmail.com; bhupis...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> balvinde...@gmail.com; bmkat...@yahoo.com; ban...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> csatr...@yahoo.com; ccnph...@gmail.com; contact...@yahoo.com;
>>>>>>> charn...@gmail.com; chauhan....@gmail.com; cap...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> dane...@gmail.com; dhane...@gmail.com; dgx...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> dwark...@gmail.com; Dheera...@iqor.com;
>>>>>>> darsh...@hotmail.com; dahiy...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> deepa...@comcast.net; dennis.th...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> damera...@gmail.com; damera...@yahoo.com;

>>>>>>> deepak...@bankofamerica.com; dco...@gmail.com;

>>>>>>> pawa...@gmail.com; pra...@indocan.ca; poonamsh...@gmail.com;

>>>>>>> ssamb...@gmail.com; sudipto...@gmail.com;

>>>>>>> sanjay...@hotmail.com; sdy...@yahoo.com; srir...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> subrot...@hotmail.com; savi_...@yahoo.com; sune...@yahoo.com;
>>>>>>> sharma...@yahoo.co.uk; santan...@gmail.com; skm...@yahoo.com;
>>>>>>> sud...@maricoworld.net; shubendr...@hcl.in;
>>>>>>> satb...@gmail.com; sachi...@hotmail.com; seem...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> negi_s...@yahoo.com; sn...@deloitte.com; shu...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> shub...@gmail.com; sti...@essar.com; sumeet...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> saiba...@gmrgroup.in; shashan...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> sanil....@asianpaints.com; sunan...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> sunand...@yahoo.com; sudee...@yahoo.com;
>>>>>>> skag...@ipolicynetworks.com; sachin...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> Sunil...@arcelormittal.com; sshar...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> surys...@gmail.com; sub...@techsoftindia.com;
>>>>>>> sunilsha...@hotmail.com; tiwarim...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> tiwari...@gmail.com; tanu...@gmail.com; tkvar...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> thakra...@yahoo.com; TOGO_...@yahoo.com; verm...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> viv...@sify.com; vicky...@rediffmail.com; vbpat...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> vive...@gmail.com; vikas.s...@unilever.com;
>>>>>>> vikasr...@sify.com; vb...@rediffmail.com; vine...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> vineet...@gmail.com; vikr...@gmail.com; vijay....@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> vijaya...@googlemail.com; vn22...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> vaibha...@yahoo.co.in; was...@gmail.com; writ...@hotmail.com;
>>>>>>> yogesh...@yahoo.com; yogesh...@gmail.com;

>>>>>>> pranayam...@googlegroups.com; papiabha...@gmail.com;
>>>>>>> ratta...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>> make it only a prohibitive one way communication structure.****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For your information, all mails sent by the core group is marked to
>>>>>>> the mailing list and also sent to

>>>>>>> pranayam...@googlegroups.comjust in case we miss out on

>>>>>>> someone’s ID. All you need to do is to be in
>>>>>>> this Google group. Papia explained this by replying to me email
>>>>>>> yesterday and I get the point.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am writing this mail to you since the mail was marked to all of us
>>>>>>> to give you a point-by-point clarification on the issue, although
>>>>>>> this may
>>>>>>> entail referring back to certain past developments. Please do not
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>> these personally. Despite the desperate personal attacks, let’s get

>>>>>>> to the points. ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. For your information I am an active member of Pranayam and I

>>>>>>> was also present in the GFWA protest rally. I saw that you were
>>>>>>> present in
>>>>>>> the rally. However, towards the end, when we were wrapping up the
>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>> with the government officials it was only me and Mr Bidyutt were
>>>>>>> the only
>>>>>>> two people from Pranayam who participated in the informal
>>>>>>> discussions with
>>>>>>> the DC’s representative. The GFWA members/records will very well
>>>>>>> reveal
>>>>>>> this. Did I ever state that I attended the protest march rally
>>>>>>> from end to finish? Or, is it even pertinent? I was there to
>>>>>>> express my
>>>>>>> solidarity for the cause, however I chose not to walk on the
>>>>>>> streets and

>>>>>>> went back to attend to other pressing commitments. ****
>>>>>>> 2. Paying under protest is not a feasible option because once you

>>>>>>> have listed here. *This is perhaps the most important point in

>>>>>>> holistic nature of facts, stated by you? *
>>>>>>> 3. Your anxiety about possession is understandable. All of us are

>>>>>>> well as earlier communications.****
>>>>>>> 4. The core group which acts on behalf of the collective cause of

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> 5. Records available with the team show that you along with

>>>>>>> were extremely successful in getting so as well. ****
>>>>>>> 6. I could not understand why you raked up the issue of

>>>>>>> litigation in your mail when I cannot recall a single instance
>>>>>>> when the
>>>>>>> core group has discussed or for that matter even thought on these
>>>>>>> lines.
>>>>>>> Talking of litigation on the fly is unwarranted, particularly when
>>>>>>> no one
>>>>>>> is discussing or considering this. I failed to understand why this
>>>>>>> new seed
>>>>>>> is being planted in everyone’s mind all of a sudden. I hope you
>>>>>>> will desist
>>>>>>> from raking up such issues thoughtlessly, which I feel is akin to
>>>>>>> putting
>>>>>>> words in the mouths of others. The term litigation is loosely
>>>>>>> used and I do regret any particular inferences drawn from the
>>>>>>> same. The
>>>>>>> intent, I must once again state is not the provoke / instigate any
>>>>>>> reaction but the divert the attention to the most important
>>>>>>> single goal of
>>>>>>> possession. To say that this is planting a seed, or putting words
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> mouths of others is completely baseless as we are all prudent
>>>>>>> enough to

>>>>>>> understand the consequences of civil litigations.****
>>>>>>> 7. You have questioned the veracity of verbal statements made by

>>>>>>> interests? ****
>>>>>>> 8. The fact that discussions and patience can yield great results

>>>>>>> will be evident to you once you come to know what benefits the
>>>>>>> efforts of
>>>>>>> GFWA has gathered for all Neherpar residents from the Haryana
>>>>>>> government.
>>>>>>> What you are questioning Papiya here should be directed to the
>>>>>>> GFWA,
>>>>>>> provided you have time. I will be glad to do so, and do need
>>>>>>> more time to do so. In directing my concerns to Papia / Bidyut, I
>>>>>>> approached only the people from whom we are receiving the details.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> 9. In the last paragraph of your email, you made a passing remark

>>>>>>> trust on which the core group functions. ****

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thnx,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Asim Chowdhury
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:12 PM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sending this email again from different ID as most of the people have

>>>>>>> not received the original email sent from gmail****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rattan N Whig****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: *rattan whig* <ratta...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:28 PM

>>>>>>> Subject: <amit...@elofic.com>; <ashish...@gmail.com>; <

>>>>>>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in>; <amita...@yahoo.co.in>; <
>>>>>>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in>; <ananta...@gmail.com>; <
>>>>>>> arunjai...@gmail.com>; <arunam...@gmail.com>; <

>>>>>>> amrit...@yahoo.com>; <atanu_sinha
>>>>>>> To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sending this email again as many people did not recieve it the first

>>>>>>> time.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: *rattan whig* <ratta...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:40 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: amit...@elofic.com, ashish...@gmail.com,
>>>>>>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in, amita...@yahoo.co.in,
>>>>>>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in, ananta...@gmail.com,
>>>>>>> arunjai...@gmail.com, arunam...@gmail.com,
>>>>>>> amrit...@yahoo.com, atanu...@hotmail.com, anil.

>>>>>>> To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Papia,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was not marked on the original email sent by you & got this through
>>>>>>> another member. As in my previous emails, I have few points which
>>>>>>> have not
>>>>>>> been considered / clarified enough, and which in my opinion deserve

>>>>>>> adequate attention.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the onset to prevent any misunderstanding like earlier, let me
>>>>>>> clarify, a) that I am writing this email in my individual capacity
>>>>>>> and not
>>>>>>> as representative of any group, b) that my sole intent is timely
>>>>>>> possession
>>>>>>> of the flat, and c) that I am not against any one or any action
>>>>>>> proposed by
>>>>>>> any one, till the time that the said action or person goes against
>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> purpose of securing timely possession of the units.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, I will like to make it a point that I am not copied on any of
>>>>>>> your emails. I attended one of the first meetings on this subject
>>>>>>> held in
>>>>>>> India Habitat Center and was present with Bidyut at the Faridabad
>>>>>>> protest
>>>>>>> march and I requested to be included in your emails whenever we met
>>>>>>> in any
>>>>>>> such forums. I understand that this is your prerogative and you can
>>>>>>> decide
>>>>>>> who should be included, hence can only request to keep me involved,
>>>>>>> or at
>>>>>>> least informed. As a flat owner I guess I have an interest in your
>>>>>>> pursuit
>>>>>>> of this collective cause. In case you opine otherwise, its fine as
>>>>>>> well.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now coming to the main points raised in your email below. I have
>>>>>>> always maintained and still do feel that the best course is to pay
>>>>>>> the EDC
>>>>>>> demand and later decide on the legal intricacies. This may seem

>>>>>>> bewildering to a few, let me explain why it’s not.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, we shall of course pay the demand under protest. Second, we
>>>>>>> can pay the demand in different ways, either as one consolidated
>>>>>>> payment in
>>>>>>> the manner it has been demanded, or segregated as two different
>>>>>>> payments,
>>>>>>> for “Interest” and “Principal”, which break up we can always ask PCL
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> provide us. This will also settle one of our main contentions
>>>>>>> regarding
>>>>>>> the breakup of the demand raised by PCL for enhanced EDC payment. We
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> suggest that the demand for “principal” component of EDC be paid up
>>>>>>> front,
>>>>>>> while payment demand for “interest” component can be kept in abeyance
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> through post dated cheque, pending the decision by government /
>>>>>>> regulators

>>>>>>> as indicated in your email below. ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Third, perhaps most significantly, we must note that protest is not a
>>>>>>> viable option for many members. People who continue to stay on rent
>>>>>>> realize the pinch each month. This can be avoided by gaining timely
>>>>>>> possession. The debatable amount of EDC erroneously calculated by
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> builder is evidently offset against the additional rent being paid
>>>>>>> and to
>>>>>>> be paid in the coming months, which can be avoided in case completion
>>>>>>> certificate is delayed by the government / regulators on grounds of
>>>>>>> EDC
>>>>>>> payment not being cleared by the builder. Now, whether the balance
>>>>>>> outstanding on EDC payment is on account of current increment in EDC
>>>>>>> rates
>>>>>>> or previous EDC demands raised on the builder and not met, is really
>>>>>>> a non
>>>>>>> issue. Back of the envelope calculation tell that even in case 50%
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> total EDC demand is erroneous, the same is less than 6 months’ rent
>>>>>>> paid

>>>>>>> out by one.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Litigation as an option to resolve any dispute is not really an
>>>>>>> option that we should consider. While there are strong examples like
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> recent DLF Belair apartment case, which sound and look great, through
>>>>>>> careful introspection one cannot help but notice that the judgment
>>>>>>> has not
>>>>>>> alleviated the condition of apartment owners. How much portion out
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> total fine levied on the builder has been apportioned among the
>>>>>>> apartment
>>>>>>> buyers? Has the judgment, which is under appeal, stopped DLF or any
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> builder from using incomprehensible language in the agreements with

>>>>>>> individual purchasers? ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fourth, during the multiple meetings with DGT&CP, auditing of
>>>>>>> builders’ records, etc, out of the numerous encouraging statements
>>>>>>> mentioned in the email below, has anything been undertaken in writing
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> any government body? If yes, then what’s the sanctity of such
>>>>>>> documents
>>>>>>> and is it binding on the builder? If no, then shall we even consider
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> verbal statements which can easily change within minutes due to
>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>> external factors including but not limited to transfer of officials
>>>>>>> (case
>>>>>>> in point, Noida authority chairman was changed 4 times within one
>>>>>>> month)?

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe we must answer these & other questions before proceeding.**
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other points regarding PCL not meeting desired standards or
>>>>>>> defaulting from its commitment, the best way & perhaps only way
>>>>>>> forward is
>>>>>>> through dialog. I am not a diplomat, neither am I averse to taking
>>>>>>> risks,
>>>>>>> however before taking any recourse one must weigh the pros and cons,
>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>> of do a cost benefit analysis. In this case, if one looks
>>>>>>> objectively,
>>>>>>> cost is significantly higher than the benefits one hopes to realize.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> must stress any benefits that are being proposed must be classified
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> tangible & intangible. Intangible benefits that don’t translate in
>>>>>>> to any
>>>>>>> real outcome must be ignored. We must keep our individual egos
>>>>>>> aside, sort
>>>>>>> of leave emotions at the door, as these will only jeopardize the
>>>>>>> entire

>>>>>>> future. ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have not paid the EDC demand currently & shall only do so with the
>>>>>>> group. It’s not my intention to cause a rift within the group, only
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> ensure that collective benefits are realized first and any individual
>>>>>>> benefits don’t take priority. My humble opinion as mentioned above,
>>>>>>> lets
>>>>>>> take a wise collective decision and avoid any dispute at this stage.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rattan N Whig****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP

>>>>>>> ON 26.01.2012 From: "R.Kapur" To: papiabha...@gmail.com CC:

>>>>>>> I totally support the decision taken in the meeting and would like to
>>>>>>> join the association immediately on its formation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ravi ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Papia Bhatachaarji <

>>>>>>> papiabha...@gmail.com> wrote:****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear All ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Here's the Minutes of the Meeting held on January 26, 2012:****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I. DISCUSSION ON ADDITIONAL PAYMENT ON ACCOUNT OF ENHANCED
>>>>>>> EDC*****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Recap*****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The meeting started with recap of the earlier events:****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - In late September 2011 PCL issued demand notice for additional
>>>>>>> EDC;****
>>>>>>> - We met on the 16th of October, 2011 and unanimously agreed to

>>>>>>> ask PCL to provide us a copy of the demand raised by the DGT&CP
>>>>>>> including

>>>>>>> calculations of additional EDC, details of EDC paid,etc. ****
>>>>>>> - We sent individual letters and submitted a group memorandum to
>>>>>>> PCL****
>>>>>>> - PCL did not provide us full information. they only provided us

>>>>>>> calculation on EDC and calculation of additional amount payable on
>>>>>>> account
>>>>>>> of enhanced EDC on plain A4 sheets of paper but neither did they
>>>>>>> sent to us
>>>>>>> either the demand notice received from DGT&CP nor, did they
>>>>>>> furnish the

>>>>>>> date-wise duly audited details of EDC paid ****
>>>>>>> - We again sent intimation individually and group representation

>>>>>>> asking PCL to provide the said documents on their letterhead duly
>>>>>>> signed by

>>>>>>> a senior managerial person****
>>>>>>> - PCL sent us signed copy of detailed EDC calculation, signed

>>>>>>> copy of additional EDC calculation but did not send us the audited
>>>>>>> copy of

>>>>>>> EDC paid disclosing dates on which EDC paid, etc. ****
>>>>>>> - We got the DGT&CP's computation of additional amount on account
>>>>>>> of enhanced EDC in case of OMAXE project.****
>>>>>>> - We met PCL team which included Mr.Arjun Puri. PCL team claimed

>>>>>>> that they have not received any demand / computation from DGT&CP
>>>>>>> except
>>>>>>> that they dug out the one-page demand notice (only the covering
>>>>>>> letter)
>>>>>>> from Countrywide Promoters office. He mentioned that he'll write
>>>>>>> to DGT&CP
>>>>>>> requesting them to send the demand raised in PCL's name and also
>>>>>>> request
>>>>>>> them to waive the interest on enhanced EDC upto the date of
>>>>>>> receipt of the
>>>>>>> revised demand letter . This apart, the PCL team could not show us
>>>>>>> sufficient evidence to satisfy our queries. (please refer MOM of
>>>>>>> the PCL

>>>>>>> meeting circulated earlier)****
>>>>>>> - Mr.Arjun Puri called up one of the members to inform that PCL

>>>>>>> has sent the letter to DGT&CP and has an acknowledgement from
>>>>>>> DGT&CP in

>>>>>>> record.****
>>>>>>> - As agreed during the meeting with PCL, the core group finalized

>>>>>>> the MOM of their meeting with PCL and sent it to Arjun Puri to
>>>>>>> sign. Arjun

>>>>>>> Puri refused saying that he did not agree with the MOM****
>>>>>>> - Core group requested PCL/ Kaushik Sengupta to provide

>>>>>>> computation of interest on Enhanced EDC. Inspite of several
>>>>>>> reminders the

>>>>>>> same has not been provided till date by PCL.****
>>>>>>> - Mohinder Puri wrote a letter to some apartment buyers asking

>>>>>>> them to pay-up the enhanced EDC demand failing which inspection of

>>>>>>> apartment will not be allowed.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Meetings With DGT&CP Officials*****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> comprising 2-3 instances from each GHS.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The accounts team of DGT&CP came to audit/inspect the book of
>>>>>>> accounts of builders with reference to cases referred to them. They
>>>>>>> spent 2
>>>>>>> days 24th and 25th Jan 2012 visiting the offices of all these
>>>>>>> developers,
>>>>>>> presumably inspected their records vis a vis the cases GFWA team
>>>>>>> forwarded
>>>>>>> to them and other cases in random (as we were informed by them).
>>>>>>> Thereafter, the audit team met up the contingent of representatives
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> various GHS at the DTP office in Sector 12 Faridabad. The meeting was
>>>>>>> attended by representatives from BPTP (plot owners), BPTP (various
>>>>>>> GHS
>>>>>>> apartment owners), Omaxe GHS, Piyush GHS, RPS Savana,
>>>>>>> Puri-Pranayam,SPR,
>>>>>>> SRS, Uppal Builders, etc. (Incidentally, Uppal Builders have not
>>>>>>> raised
>>>>>>> any additional charges demand on account of enhanced EDC).The GHS
>>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>> had a prolonged meeting of about 3-4 hours with the aforesaid
>>>>>>> accounts team

>>>>>>> on 25th Jan, 2012 evening.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> During the meeting all of us were informed by the authorities that :*
>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. DGT&CP is shortly coming out with a notification waiving the

>>>>>>> demand for interest from January 1, 2009. We were apprised that
>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>> to this notification interest will be payable by the developer if
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> additional amount on account of enhanced EDC is not made in time
>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>> date of demand notice. The effect will be that there will be
>>>>>>> substantial
>>>>>>> relief due to waiver of interest for 28 months; This notification
>>>>>>> is in the

>>>>>>> reckoning and expected very shortly, within a month's time,****
>>>>>>> 2. DGT&CP is not pressing the developers to make the payment of

>>>>>>> additional demand on account of enhanced EDC as the notification
>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>> interest waiver is in the reckoning, and ****
>>>>>>> 3. The audit team were also to verify whether the builders'

>>>>>>> demand from customers (plot / apartment buyers) was in line with
>>>>>>> the demand

>>>>>>> levied by the DGT&CP. ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The representatives brought to the notice of the authorities that:***
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Most of the builders were charging interest @ 15% and 18%

>>>>>>> (overdue) from the buyers payable in one go whereas, they were
>>>>>>> making the
>>>>>>> payment @ 9% and 15% (overdue) in 4 installments. Further, they
>>>>>>> were not
>>>>>>> passing the benefit of moratorium for 12 months granted to them by
>>>>>>> authorities to the buyers. This is one of the ways the builders
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> extorting excess money from apartment /plot buyers in the guise of

>>>>>>> additional payment on account of enhanced EDC.****
>>>>>>> - Also, builders were charging additional amount on account of

>>>>>>> enhanced EDC for the entire area of land without giving abatement
>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>> areas like clubs, school/s, shopping centers, medical clinics,
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> un-constructed area which they'll sell on a later date.It was
>>>>>>> brought out
>>>>>>> that these areas were under ownership of the builders and the
>>>>>>> buyers were
>>>>>>> specifically precluded to claim any ownership rights and title on
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> areas vide clauses and specific annexure/s in the builder-buyer
>>>>>>> agreement.
>>>>>>> It was also pointed out that when the developer sells out these
>>>>>>> areas to
>>>>>>> third parties they would charge EDC at enhanced rate from the
>>>>>>> third party

>>>>>>> buyers as well, and pocket the amounts. ****
>>>>>>> - Further, it was specifically stated that as the rates of EDC

>>>>>>> and IDC are transparently available the builders are trying to
>>>>>>> play with

>>>>>>> the total saleable area and other financial tricks.****
>>>>>>> - The responsibility of paying the EDC and IDC is basically that

>>>>>>> of the builder and if any portion of the project remains unsold
>>>>>>> than, the
>>>>>>> builder will not burden the rest of the buyers for the principal
>>>>>>> as well as
>>>>>>> interest amounts in the EDC and IDC relating to such unused /
>>>>>>> unsold space.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> - As the builder could have paid the EDC and IDC in lumpsum

>>>>>>> within 30 days of the grant of licence but they opted to pay the
>>>>>>> same in
>>>>>>> multiple equated installments for their own financial convenience
>>>>>>> therefore, they cannot pass the burden to the apartment buyers as
>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>> would be illegal and against the principle of natural justice.****
>>>>>>> - Further,it was also submitted that that, whereas, all the

>>>>>>> builders had collected practically 35% of the total dues at the
>>>>>>> time of
>>>>>>> booking, they should have cleared all statutory financial dues
>>>>>>> first so
>>>>>>> that the interest burden is limited only upto the date of first
>>>>>>> payment by
>>>>>>> the buyer and not beyond. Instead, they either paid the dues
>>>>>>> substantially
>>>>>>> later and deliberately let the interest burden accumulate to be
>>>>>>> passed on

>>>>>>> to the buyer, which is also illegal. ****
>>>>>>> - It was also submitted that as the buyer paid EDC and IDC as per

>>>>>>> the construction-linked payment plan scheme or lumpsum payment
>>>>>>> plan scheme
>>>>>>> advertised by the builder therefore, the buyers were not
>>>>>>> responsible for
>>>>>>> either the installment plan for payment of the interest nor could
>>>>>>> they be
>>>>>>> held responsible for payment of the interest due to delays. It was
>>>>>>> grossly
>>>>>>> illegal to charge / load the buyers with the element of such
>>>>>>> interest

>>>>>>> burden.****
>>>>>>> - Any increase in the super area should be duly approved by the

>>>>>>> DGT&CP and should be incorporated in the revised layout plan and
>>>>>>> only, than

>>>>>>> in the calculation of EDC and IDC.****
>>>>>>> - It was pointed out that since the builders were enhancing the

>>>>>>> basic sale price over the time scale they should absorb the cost
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> increased construction of non FAR areas in the increased profit
>>>>>>> and not

>>>>>>> load the burden on the buyer.****
>>>>>>> - It was also submitted that one of the reasonsfor enhanced EDC

>>>>>>> is due to huge outstanding / non-payment of EDC and IDC (even the
>>>>>>> old EDC
>>>>>>> and IDC). Therefore, raising illegal demands taking opportunity
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> enhanced EDC charges is totally untenable in law and therefore,
>>>>>>> grossly a
>>>>>>> criminal offence. Hence, as per the norms of agreement between the
>>>>>>> DGT&CP
>>>>>>> and builder, the DGT&CP should consider cancellation of the
>>>>>>> licences of the
>>>>>>> builders and where the licence is due for renewal, the same should
>>>>>>> not be

>>>>>>> renewed.****
>>>>>>> - Collection of extra amounts in excess of what is demanded by
>>>>>>> the DGT&CP is grossly illegal.****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Appropriate documented submissions were also made to the authorities
>>>>>>> and we were assured by the authorities that the same will be
>>>>>>> considered by

>>>>>>> the DGT&CP. ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Decision:****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> All those present in this meeting of Pranayam Apartment Buyers raised
>>>>>>> their hand to confirm that none had paid the additional demand of PCL
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> account of enhanced EDC, it was unanimously agreed that the group
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> wait till the notification and further instruction from the
>>>>>>> authorities in

>>>>>>> this regard.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *II. ANY OTHER MATTER*****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 1. Many members felt that an apartment buyers association must be

>>>>>>> formed and a bank account should be opened so that the membership

>>>>>>> subscription can be deposited for meeting the expenses. ****
>>>>>>> 2. Some members expressed concern over the quality of

>>>>>>> construction work done at "THE PRANAYAM" and certain others
>>>>>>> mentioned that
>>>>>>> the builder-buyer agreement as well as the proposed maintenance
>>>>>>> agreements
>>>>>>> are one-sided totally favoring the builder's interest which must
>>>>>>> also be

>>>>>>> looked-into by the proposed association.****
>>>>>>> 3. One of the members present explained to the group that "THE

>>>>>>> PRNAYAM" site is infested with local anti-social elements who do
>>>>>>> not let
>>>>>>> the apartment buyers to take photograph of the work done for their
>>>>>>> respective towers as he had witnessed an incident when a local
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>> snatched-away the camera from one of the buyers and deleted

>>>>>>> the photographs taken by him.****
>>>>>>> 4. All present unanimously agreed that it is only with cohesive

>>>>>>> action we could stop PCL from extracting undue and unjustified
>>>>>>> money

>>>>>>> demands from us, the apartment buyers.****
>>>>>>> 5. Some members suggested that the group should re-visit the the
>>>>>>> "increased area demand of PCL in 2010".****
>>>>>>> 6. One of the members present informed that he regularly

>>>>>>> passes-by "THE PRANAYAM" site area and updated that the EWS
>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>> structure roof-casting has been done upto the 6th or 7th floor but
>>>>>>> brick-work of that building is not in place as yet. In his opinion
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> earliest occupancy is subject to completion of EWS building.He
>>>>>>> cited that
>>>>>>> as per the Haryana Building By-laws,for the grant of occupancy
>>>>>>> certificate

>>>>>>> EWS units should stand fully constructed. ****
>>>>>>> 7. Those present unanimously agreed that issues should be

>>>>>>> taken-up one at a time with PCL. One of the members pointed out
>>>>>>> that all
>>>>>>> communications to PCL should only be by registered post or speed
>>>>>>> post.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> 8. All present were informed that a number of RTIs are pending

>>>>>>> and the same are expected shortly. It was explained that there
>>>>>>> were no
>>>>>>> reason to meet-up PCL till we have substantial information in
>>>>>>> hand.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> 9. Some members felt that there is a greater need for

>>>>>>> participation and volunteered to serve the group in various ways.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> 10. It was unanimously voiced by all present that they will

>>>>>>> participate to make the group stronger in the interest of all
>>>>>>> apartment
>>>>>>> buyers and future neighbors of "THE PRANAYAM" , make it a
>>>>>>> wonderful place
>>>>>>> to live-in and, also make it the best address in the Greater
>>>>>>> Faridabad
>>>>>>> Area.One of the members thanked the group for their continuous
>>>>>>> support and

>>>>>>> cooperation.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The meeting ended with great thanks to all present.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Papia****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
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[Anand Jha]

Dear

Rattan , pawan , rammed , current core gr doing good job , why do we need more people

We know your past performance @ EMI gr

Let current core gr to do their job , they are working with GFWA n govt official to close issues

Your ( earlier core gr) email suggest dissonance , we don't want you to be in core gr , else we wil end up paying enhanced edc in emi ( 10 installment()

If you want for another gr , pl go ahead n do it ( puri will get what they wanted. Implanted. Or agent or anything else). Sorry for this its my feeling , I don't want you 5 to be there

[ratta...@gmail.com]

Dear Pawan,

As I have done in the past, I volunteer to become a member of the core group to shoulder the responsibilites.

Best Regards,

Rattan N Whig

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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 22:33:46
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Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

>>>>> 1. I think our utmost emphasis to given on the earliest possession

>>>>> although I appreciate the effort is made to sort out the other
>>>>> issues like
>>>>> EDC and Licencing part. But we must understand that we have already
>>>>> paid

>>>>> 95% of the total cost which is nothing less than *4.8-5 Mn* *which
>>>>> by any means is a huge money for any middle class family. *Now if

>>>>> we keep trying to address the other problems (which is genuine as
>>>>> well) and
>>>>> in that process give chance to PCL to make us responsible for
>>>>> delayed
>>>>> possession it would only help the builders.

>>>>> 2. In the current situation most of us are incurring the cost of

>>>>> rent which is nothing less than 17-18K and also the EMI which is
>>>>> also
>>>>> around 35-40K totaling up to appx 55-60K. Now if we keep fighting
>>>>> against
>>>>> the builder and not come to a solution which allow us to take
>>>>> possession
>>>>> earliest we will keep incurring above the cost for an infinite time
>>>>> which
>>>>> actually at the end will cost us more what we might save by not
>>>>> paying the
>>>>> enhance EDC (which is coming out to be Rs20/sqft as calculated by
>>>>> the core
>>>>> group) right now. Actually this will give builder to buy time and
>>>>> play the
>>>>> delay tactic.

>>>>> 3. In India we all know any legal battle (say we go that way right

>>>>>> 1. I am attaching the license document for all to see. Serial No.

>>>>>> 367 lists some area in sector 82 and 85 as PLOTTED. Therefore, we
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> residents need more clarification. It is surprising that you moved
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> assumption that whatever Puri is saying is correct when there is
>>>>>> information in this document that is compelling me to question the
>>>>>> license.
>>>>>> Without access to a copy of the official license I have no reason
>>>>>> to assume
>>>>>> that what PCL is saying is right or wrong. I should at best be
>>>>>> critical. I
>>>>>> hope you got my point. Also the long history of countrywide
>>>>>> developer’s
>>>>>> license in sectors that are not related to us is irrelevant here.
>>>>>> Let the
>>>>>> residents go through the license document and draw their own
>>>>>> conclusions.

>>>>>> 2. Appreciate your unconvincing ‘gyan’ on management. The core

>>>>>> group will take up issues as and when it deems fit. Individuals can
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> suggest.

>>>>>> 3. What you call as your 'genuine' concern is surely not the

>>>>>> concern of all residents. Further, the core group consists of some
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> finest professionals in their respective fields and surely do not
>>>>>> need to
>>>>>> concern themselves on whether they are praised or not. Such
>>>>>> expectations
>>>>>> are best left to the wannabes.

>>>>>> 4. The fact that the trust of residents has been compromised by a

>>>>>> few on the increased area discussion is a fact. Many residents, who
>>>>>> attended the last meeting at IHC, had shared this opinion with me.

>>>>>> 5. Discussing on issues such as litigation etc. should not be done

>>>>>> on the fly (Thankfully, you agreed on this).

>>>>>> 6. Any discussion on meetings with government officials should be

>>>>>> addressed to GFWA. The core group is not authorized to speak on
>>>>>> behalf of
>>>>>> the GFWA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, let this be an end to this discussion that began with your
>>>>>> mail. At the end of the day individual residents will do what they
>>>>>> feel is
>>>>>> right and so there is no reason why they should be presented with such
>>>>>> unwanted discourse. Let us keep our opinions to ourselves and do what
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> feel is right. Only time will tell who was right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tnx,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:41 AM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:
>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Hi Asim,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your email. My responses are given below, point by
>>>>>>> point. Please take the pain of going through my detailed responses,
>>>>>>> which

>>>>>>> I hope are able to dispel the misrepresentation of facts.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Going through your email and what you refer to as “facts”, the
>>>>>>> painful ignorance is ever so revealing. The various terms used,
>>>>>>> parochial,
>>>>>>> cognitive dissonance, accused of creating unwanted tensions, putting
>>>>>>> words
>>>>>>> in others mouths, whimsical opinion, etc are only profoundly
>>>>>>> misplaced.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To all fellow members, let me again clarify that I am not against the
>>>>>>> group, or any of its actions, or any of the members. Sometimes, a
>>>>>>> critical
>>>>>>> opinion is a better opinion, and one must learn to take such opinions
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> stride, no matter how contrary they may appear to be to the populist
>>>>>>> stance.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With all due respect to all members, I have only chosen to express a
>>>>>>> different path for issue resolution. I fail to understand the state
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> mind which considers the path suggested to be against any one
>>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>> member. However if anyone still feels so, I personally appeal to
>>>>>>> ignore my

>>>>>>> suggestion.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rattan N Whig****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Asim Chowdhury [mailto:asim.ch...@gmail.com]

>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2012 1:21 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* Rattan Whig
>>>>>>> *Cc:* amit...@elofic.com; ashish...@gmail.com;

>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** **

>>>>>>> make it only a prohibitive one way communication structure.****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For your information, all mails sent by the core group is marked to
>>>>>>> the mailing list and also sent to

>>>>>>> pranayam...@googlegroups.comjust in case we miss out on

>>>>>>> someone’s ID. All you need to do is to be in
>>>>>>> this Google group. Papia explained this by replying to me email
>>>>>>> yesterday and I get the point.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am writing this mail to you since the mail was marked to all of us
>>>>>>> to give you a point-by-point clarification on the issue, although
>>>>>>> this may
>>>>>>> entail referring back to certain past developments. Please do not
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>> these personally. Despite the desperate personal attacks, let’s get

>>>>>>> to the points. ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. For your information I am an active member of Pranayam and I

>>>>>>> was also present in the GFWA protest rally. I saw that you were
>>>>>>> present in
>>>>>>> the rally. However, towards the end, when we were wrapping up the
>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>> with the government officials it was only me and Mr Bidyutt were
>>>>>>> the only
>>>>>>> two people from Pranayam who participated in the informal
>>>>>>> discussions with
>>>>>>> the DC’s representative. The GFWA members/records will very well
>>>>>>> reveal
>>>>>>> this. Did I ever state that I attended the protest march rally
>>>>>>> from end to finish? Or, is it even pertinent? I was there to
>>>>>>> express my
>>>>>>> solidarity for the cause, however I chose not to walk on the
>>>>>>> streets and

>>>>>>> went back to attend to other pressing commitments. ****
>>>>>>> 2. Paying under protest is not a feasible option because once you

>>>>>>> have listed here. *This is perhaps the most important point in

>>>>>>> holistic nature of facts, stated by you? *
>>>>>>> 3. Your anxiety about possession is understandable. All of us are

>>>>>>> well as earlier communications.****
>>>>>>> 4. The core group which acts on behalf of the collective cause of

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> 5. Records available with the team show that you along with

>>>>>>> were extremely successful in getting so as well. ****
>>>>>>> 6. I could not understand why you raked up the issue of

>>>>>>> litigation in your mail when I cannot recall a single instance
>>>>>>> when the
>>>>>>> core group has discussed or for that matter even thought on these
>>>>>>> lines.
>>>>>>> Talking of litigation on the fly is unwarranted, particularly when
>>>>>>> no one
>>>>>>> is discussing or considering this. I failed to understand why this
>>>>>>> new seed
>>>>>>> is being planted in everyone’s mind all of a sudden. I hope you
>>>>>>> will desist
>>>>>>> from raking up such issues thoughtlessly, which I feel is akin to
>>>>>>> putting
>>>>>>> words in the mouths of others. The term litigation is loosely
>>>>>>> used and I do regret any particular inferences drawn from the
>>>>>>> same. The
>>>>>>> intent, I must once again state is not the provoke / instigate any
>>>>>>> reaction but the divert the attention to the most important
>>>>>>> single goal of
>>>>>>> possession. To say that this is planting a seed, or putting words
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> mouths of others is completely baseless as we are all prudent
>>>>>>> enough to

>>>>>>> understand the consequences of civil litigations.****
>>>>>>> 7. You have questioned the veracity of verbal statements made by

>>>>>>> interests? ****
>>>>>>> 8. The fact that discussions and patience can yield great results

>>>>>>> will be evident to you once you come to know what benefits the
>>>>>>> efforts of
>>>>>>> GFWA has gathered for all Neherpar residents from the Haryana
>>>>>>> government.
>>>>>>> What you are questioning Papiya here should be directed to the
>>>>>>> GFWA,
>>>>>>> provided you have time. I will be glad to do so, and do need
>>>>>>> more time to do so. In directing my concerns to Papia / Bidyut, I
>>>>>>> approached only the people from whom we are receiving the details.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> 9. In the last paragraph of your email, you made a passing remark

>>>>>>> trust on which the core group functions. ****

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thnx,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Asim Chowdhury
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 8:12 PM, <ratta...@wipro.com> wrote:****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sending this email again from different ID as most of the people have

>>>>>>> not received the original email sent from gmail****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rattan N Whig****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: *rattan whig* <ratta...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:28 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: <amit...@elofic.com>; <ashish...@gmail.com>; <
>>>>>>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in>; <amita...@yahoo.co.in>; <
>>>>>>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in>; <ananta...@gmail.com>; <
>>>>>>> arunjai...@gmail.com>; <arunam...@gmail.com>; <
>>>>>>> amrit...@yahoo.com>; <atanu_sinha

>>>>>>> To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sending this email again as many people did not recieve it the first

>>>>>>> time.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: *rattan whig* <ratta...@gmail.com>

>>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 5:40 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: amit...@elofic.com, ashish...@gmail.com,
>>>>>>> ashoow...@yahoo.co.in, amita...@yahoo.co.in,
>>>>>>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in, ananta...@gmail.com,
>>>>>>> arunjai...@gmail.com, arunam...@gmail.com,
>>>>>>> amrit...@yahoo.com, atanu...@hotmail.com, anil.

>>>>>>> To: Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Papia,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was not marked on the original email sent by you & got this through
>>>>>>> another member. As in my previous emails, I have few points which
>>>>>>> have not
>>>>>>> been considered / clarified enough, and which in my opinion deserve

>>>>>>> adequate attention.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the onset to prevent any misunderstanding like earlier, let me
>>>>>>> clarify, a) that I am writing this email in my individual capacity
>>>>>>> and not
>>>>>>> as representative of any group, b) that my sole intent is timely
>>>>>>> possession
>>>>>>> of the flat, and c) that I am not against any one or any action
>>>>>>> proposed by
>>>>>>> any one, till the time that the said action or person goes against
>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> purpose of securing timely possession of the units.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, I will like to make it a point that I am not copied on any of
>>>>>>> your emails. I attended one of the first meetings on this subject
>>>>>>> held in
>>>>>>> India Habitat Center and was present with Bidyut at the Faridabad
>>>>>>> protest
>>>>>>> march and I requested to be included in your emails whenever we met
>>>>>>> in any
>>>>>>> such forums. I understand that this is your prerogative and you can
>>>>>>> decide
>>>>>>> who should be included, hence can only request to keep me involved,
>>>>>>> or at
>>>>>>> least informed. As a flat owner I guess I have an interest in your
>>>>>>> pursuit
>>>>>>> of this collective cause. In case you opine otherwise, its fine as
>>>>>>> well.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now coming to the main points raised in your email below. I have
>>>>>>> always maintained and still do feel that the best course is to pay
>>>>>>> the EDC
>>>>>>> demand and later decide on the legal intricacies. This may seem

>>>>>>> bewildering to a few, let me explain why it’s not.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, we shall of course pay the demand under protest. Second, we
>>>>>>> can pay the demand in different ways, either as one consolidated
>>>>>>> payment in
>>>>>>> the manner it has been demanded, or segregated as two different
>>>>>>> payments,
>>>>>>> for “Interest” and “Principal”, which break up we can always ask PCL
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> provide us. This will also settle one of our main contentions
>>>>>>> regarding
>>>>>>> the breakup of the demand raised by PCL for enhanced EDC payment. We
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> suggest that the demand for “principal” component of EDC be paid up
>>>>>>> front,
>>>>>>> while payment demand for “interest” component can be kept in abeyance
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> through post dated cheque, pending the decision by government /
>>>>>>> regulators

>>>>>>> as indicated in your email below. ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Third, perhaps most significantly, we must note that protest is not a
>>>>>>> viable option for many members. People who continue to stay on rent
>>>>>>> realize the pinch each month. This can be avoided by gaining timely
>>>>>>> possession. The debatable amount of EDC erroneously calculated by
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> builder is evidently offset against the additional rent being paid
>>>>>>> and to
>>>>>>> be paid in the coming months, which can be avoided in case completion
>>>>>>> certificate is delayed by the government / regulators on grounds of
>>>>>>> EDC
>>>>>>> payment not being cleared by the builder. Now, whether the balance
>>>>>>> outstanding on EDC payment is on account of current increment in EDC
>>>>>>> rates
>>>>>>> or previous EDC demands raised on the builder and not met, is really
>>>>>>> a non
>>>>>>> issue. Back of the envelope calculation tell that even in case 50%
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> total EDC demand is erroneous, the same is less than 6 months’ rent
>>>>>>> paid

>>>>>>> out by one.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Litigation as an option to resolve any dispute is not really an
>>>>>>> option that we should consider. While there are strong examples like
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> recent DLF Belair apartment case, which sound and look great, through
>>>>>>> careful introspection one cannot help but notice that the judgment
>>>>>>> has not
>>>>>>> alleviated the condition of apartment owners. How much portion out
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> total fine levied on the builder has been apportioned among the
>>>>>>> apartment
>>>>>>> buyers? Has the judgment, which is under appeal, stopped DLF or any
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> builder from using incomprehensible language in the agreements with

>>>>>>> individual purchasers? ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fourth, during the multiple meetings with DGT&CP, auditing of
>>>>>>> builders’ records, etc, out of the numerous encouraging statements
>>>>>>> mentioned in the email below, has anything been undertaken in writing
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> any government body? If yes, then what’s the sanctity of such
>>>>>>> documents
>>>>>>> and is it binding on the builder? If no, then shall we even consider
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> verbal statements which can easily change within minutes due to
>>>>>>> various
>>>>>>> external factors including but not limited to transfer of officials
>>>>>>> (case
>>>>>>> in point, Noida authority chairman was changed 4 times within one
>>>>>>> month)?

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe we must answer these & other questions before proceeding.**
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other points regarding PCL not meeting desired standards or
>>>>>>> defaulting from its commitment, the best way & perhaps only way
>>>>>>> forward is
>>>>>>> through dialog. I am not a diplomat, neither am I averse to taking
>>>>>>> risks,
>>>>>>> however before taking any recourse one must weigh the pros and cons,
>>>>>>> sort
>>>>>>> of do a cost benefit analysis. In this case, if one looks
>>>>>>> objectively,
>>>>>>> cost is significantly higher than the benefits one hopes to realize.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> must stress any benefits that are being proposed must be classified
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> tangible & intangible. Intangible benefits that don’t translate in
>>>>>>> to any
>>>>>>> real outcome must be ignored. We must keep our individual egos
>>>>>>> aside, sort
>>>>>>> of leave emotions at the door, as these will only jeopardize the
>>>>>>> entire

>>>>>>> future. ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have not paid the EDC demand currently & shall only do so with the
>>>>>>> group. It’s not my intention to cause a rift within the group, only
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> ensure that collective benefits are realized first and any individual
>>>>>>> benefits don’t take priority. My humble opinion as mentioned above,
>>>>>>> lets
>>>>>>> take a wise collective decision and avoid any dispute at this stage.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rattan N Whig****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: ratta...@wipro.com****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Mobile*: +91-9811210342****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP
>>>>>>> ON 26.01.2012 From: "R.Kapur" To: papiabha...@gmail.com CC:

>>>>>>> I totally support the decision taken in the meeting and would like to
>>>>>>> join the association immediately on its formation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ravi ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Papia Bhatachaarji <

>>>>>>> papiabha...@gmail.com> wrote:****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear All ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Here's the Minutes of the Meeting held on January 26, 2012:****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I. DISCUSSION ON ADDITIONAL PAYMENT ON ACCOUNT OF ENHANCED
>>>>>>> EDC*****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Recap*****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The meeting started with recap of the earlier events:****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - In late September 2011 PCL issued demand notice for additional
>>>>>>> EDC;****
>>>>>>> - We met on the 16th of October, 2011 and unanimously agreed to

>>>>>>> ask PCL to provide us a copy of the demand raised by the DGT&CP
>>>>>>> including

>>>>>>> calculations of additional EDC, details of EDC paid,etc. ****
>>>>>>> - We sent individual letters and submitted a group memorandum to
>>>>>>> PCL****
>>>>>>> - PCL did not provide us full information. they only provided us

>>>>>>> calculation on EDC and calculation of additional amount payable on
>>>>>>> account
>>>>>>> of enhanced EDC on plain A4 sheets of paper but neither did they
>>>>>>> sent to us
>>>>>>> either the demand notice received from DGT&CP nor, did they
>>>>>>> furnish the

>>>>>>> date-wise duly audited details of EDC paid ****
>>>>>>> - We again sent intimation individually and group representation

>>>>>>> asking PCL to provide the said documents on their letterhead duly
>>>>>>> signed by

>>>>>>> a senior managerial person****
>>>>>>> - PCL sent us signed copy of detailed EDC calculation, signed

>>>>>>> copy of additional EDC calculation but did not send us the audited
>>>>>>> copy of

>>>>>>> EDC paid disclosing dates on which EDC paid, etc. ****
>>>>>>> - We got the DGT&CP's computation of additional amount on account
>>>>>>> of enhanced EDC in case of OMAXE project.****
>>>>>>> - We met PCL team which included Mr.Arjun Puri. PCL team claimed

>>>>>>> that they have not received any demand / computation from DGT&CP
>>>>>>> except
>>>>>>> that they dug out the one-page demand notice (only the covering
>>>>>>> letter)
>>>>>>> from Countrywide Promoters office. He mentioned that he'll write
>>>>>>> to DGT&CP
>>>>>>> requesting them to send the demand raised in PCL's name and also
>>>>>>> request
>>>>>>> them to waive the interest on enhanced EDC upto the date of
>>>>>>> receipt of the
>>>>>>> revised demand letter . This apart, the PCL team could not show us
>>>>>>> sufficient evidence to satisfy our queries. (please refer MOM of
>>>>>>> the PCL

>>>>>>> meeting circulated earlier)****
>>>>>>> - Mr.Arjun Puri called up one of the members to inform that PCL

>>>>>>> has sent the letter to DGT&CP and has an acknowledgement from
>>>>>>> DGT&CP in

>>>>>>> record.****
>>>>>>> - As agreed during the meeting with PCL, the core group finalized

>>>>>>> the MOM of their meeting with PCL and sent it to Arjun Puri to
>>>>>>> sign. Arjun

>>>>>>> Puri refused saying that he did not agree with the MOM****
>>>>>>> - Core group requested PCL/ Kaushik Sengupta to provide

>>>>>>> computation of interest on Enhanced EDC. Inspite of several
>>>>>>> reminders the

>>>>>>> same has not been provided till date by PCL.****
>>>>>>> - Mohinder Puri wrote a letter to some apartment buyers asking

>>>>>>> them to pay-up the enhanced EDC demand failing which inspection of

>>>>>>> apartment will not be allowed.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Meetings With DGT&CP Officials*****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> comprising 2-3 instances from each GHS.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The accounts team of DGT&CP came to audit/inspect the book of
>>>>>>> accounts of builders with reference to cases referred to them. They
>>>>>>> spent 2
>>>>>>> days 24th and 25th Jan 2012 visiting the offices of all these
>>>>>>> developers,
>>>>>>> presumably inspected their records vis a vis the cases GFWA team
>>>>>>> forwarded
>>>>>>> to them and other cases in random (as we were informed by them).
>>>>>>> Thereafter, the audit team met up the contingent of representatives
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> various GHS at the DTP office in Sector 12 Faridabad. The meeting was
>>>>>>> attended by representatives from BPTP (plot owners), BPTP (various
>>>>>>> GHS
>>>>>>> apartment owners), Omaxe GHS, Piyush GHS, RPS Savana,
>>>>>>> Puri-Pranayam,SPR,
>>>>>>> SRS, Uppal Builders, etc. (Incidentally, Uppal Builders have not
>>>>>>> raised
>>>>>>> any additional charges demand on account of enhanced EDC).The GHS
>>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>> had a prolonged meeting of about 3-4 hours with the aforesaid
>>>>>>> accounts team

>>>>>>> on 25th Jan, 2012 evening.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> During the meeting all of us were informed by the authorities that :*
>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. DGT&CP is shortly coming out with a notification waiving the

>>>>>>> demand for interest from January 1, 2009. We were apprised that
>>>>>>> according
>>>>>>> to this notification interest will be payable by the developer if
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> additional amount on account of enhanced EDC is not made in time
>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>> date of demand notice. The effect will be that there will be
>>>>>>> substantial
>>>>>>> relief due to waiver of interest for 28 months; This notification
>>>>>>> is in the

>>>>>>> reckoning and expected very shortly, within a month's time,****
>>>>>>> 2. DGT&CP is not pressing the developers to make the payment of

>>>>>>> additional demand on account of enhanced EDC as the notification
>>>>>>> for

>>>>>>> interest waiver is in the reckoning, and ****
>>>>>>> 3. The audit team were also to verify whether the builders'

>>>>>>> demand from customers (plot / apartment buyers) was in line with
>>>>>>> the demand

>>>>>>> levied by the DGT&CP. ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The representatives brought to the notice of the authorities that:***
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Most of the builders were charging interest @ 15% and 18%

>>>>>>> (overdue) from the buyers payable in one go whereas, they were
>>>>>>> making the
>>>>>>> payment @ 9% and 15% (overdue) in 4 installments. Further, they
>>>>>>> were not
>>>>>>> passing the benefit of moratorium for 12 months granted to them by
>>>>>>> authorities to the buyers. This is one of the ways the builders
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>> extorting excess money from apartment /plot buyers in the guise of

>>>>>>> additional payment on account of enhanced EDC.****
>>>>>>> - Also, builders were charging additional amount on account of

>>>>>>> enhanced EDC for the entire area of land without giving abatement
>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>> areas like clubs, school/s, shopping centers, medical clinics,
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> un-constructed area which they'll sell on a later date.It was
>>>>>>> brought out
>>>>>>> that these areas were under ownership of the builders and the
>>>>>>> buyers were
>>>>>>> specifically precluded to claim any ownership rights and title on
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> areas vide clauses and specific annexure/s in the builder-buyer
>>>>>>> agreement.
>>>>>>> It was also pointed out that when the developer sells out these
>>>>>>> areas to
>>>>>>> third parties they would charge EDC at enhanced rate from the
>>>>>>> third party

>>>>>>> buyers as well, and pocket the amounts. ****
>>>>>>> - Further, it was specifically stated that as the rates of EDC

>>>>>>> and IDC are transparently available the builders are trying to
>>>>>>> play with

>>>>>>> the total saleable area and other financial tricks.****
>>>>>>> - The responsibility of paying the EDC and IDC is basically that

>>>>>>> of the builder and if any portion of the project remains unsold
>>>>>>> than, the
>>>>>>> builder will not burden the rest of the buyers for the principal
>>>>>>> as well as
>>>>>>> interest amounts in the EDC and IDC relating to such unused /
>>>>>>> unsold space.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> - As the builder could have paid the EDC and IDC in lumpsum

>>>>>>> within 30 days of the grant of licence but they opted to pay the
>>>>>>> same in
>>>>>>> multiple equated installments for their own financial convenience
>>>>>>> therefore, they cannot pass the burden to the apartment buyers as
>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>> would be illegal and against the principle of natural justice.****
>>>>>>> - Further,it was also submitted that that, whereas, all the

>>>>>>> builders had collected practically 35% of the total dues at the
>>>>>>> time of
>>>>>>> booking, they should have cleared all statutory financial dues
>>>>>>> first so
>>>>>>> that the interest burden is limited only upto the date of first
>>>>>>> payment by
>>>>>>> the buyer and not beyond. Instead, they either paid the dues
>>>>>>> substantially
>>>>>>> later and deliberately let the interest burden accumulate to be
>>>>>>> passed on

>>>>>>> to the buyer, which is also illegal. ****
>>>>>>> - It was also submitted that as the buyer paid EDC and IDC as per

>>>>>>> the construction-linked payment plan scheme or lumpsum payment
>>>>>>> plan scheme
>>>>>>> advertised by the builder therefore, the buyers were not
>>>>>>> responsible for
>>>>>>> either the installment plan for payment of the interest nor could
>>>>>>> they be
>>>>>>> held responsible for payment of the interest due to delays. It was
>>>>>>> grossly
>>>>>>> illegal to charge / load the buyers with the element of such
>>>>>>> interest

>>>>>>> burden.****
>>>>>>> - Any increase in the super area should be duly approved by the

>>>>>>> DGT&CP and should be incorporated in the revised layout plan and
>>>>>>> only, than

>>>>>>> in the calculation of EDC and IDC.****
>>>>>>> - It was pointed out that since the builders were enhancing the

>>>>>>> basic sale price over the time scale they should absorb the cost
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> increased construction of non FAR areas in the increased profit
>>>>>>> and not

>>>>>>> load the burden on the buyer.****
>>>>>>> - It was also submitted that one of the reasonsfor enhanced EDC

>>>>>>> is due to huge outstanding / non-payment of EDC and IDC (even the
>>>>>>> old EDC
>>>>>>> and IDC). Therefore, raising illegal demands taking opportunity
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> enhanced EDC charges is totally untenable in law and therefore,
>>>>>>> grossly a
>>>>>>> criminal offence. Hence, as per the norms of agreement between the
>>>>>>> DGT&CP
>>>>>>> and builder, the DGT&CP should consider cancellation of the
>>>>>>> licences of the
>>>>>>> builders and where the licence is due for renewal, the same should
>>>>>>> not be

>>>>>>> renewed.****
>>>>>>> - Collection of extra amounts in excess of what is demanded by
>>>>>>> the DGT&CP is grossly illegal.****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Appropriate documented submissions were also made to the authorities
>>>>>>> and we were assured by the authorities that the same will be
>>>>>>> considered by

>>>>>>> the DGT&CP. ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Decision:****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> All those present in this meeting of Pranayam Apartment Buyers raised
>>>>>>> their hand to confirm that none had paid the additional demand of PCL
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> account of enhanced EDC, it was unanimously agreed that the group
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> wait till the notification and further instruction from the
>>>>>>> authorities in

>>>>>>> this regard.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *II. ANY OTHER MATTER*****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> 1. Many members felt that an apartment buyers association must be

>>>>>>> formed and a bank account should be opened so that the membership

>>>>>>> subscription can be deposited for meeting the expenses. ****
>>>>>>> 2. Some members expressed concern over the quality of

>>>>>>> construction work done at "THE PRANAYAM" and certain others
>>>>>>> mentioned that
>>>>>>> the builder-buyer agreement as well as the proposed maintenance
>>>>>>> agreements
>>>>>>> are one-sided totally favoring the builder's interest which must
>>>>>>> also be

>>>>>>> looked-into by the proposed association.****
>>>>>>> 3. One of the members present explained to the group that "THE

>>>>>>> PRNAYAM" site is infested with local anti-social elements who do
>>>>>>> not let
>>>>>>> the apartment buyers to take photograph of the work done for their
>>>>>>> respective towers as he had witnessed an incident when a local
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>> snatched-away the camera from one of the buyers and deleted

>>>>>>> the photographs taken by him.****
>>>>>>> 4. All present unanimously agreed that it is only with cohesive

>>>>>>> action we could stop PCL from extracting undue and unjustified
>>>>>>> money

>>>>>>> demands from us, the apartment buyers.****
>>>>>>> 5. Some members suggested that the group should re-visit the the
>>>>>>> "increased area demand of PCL in 2010".****
>>>>>>> 6. One of the members present informed that he regularly

>>>>>>> passes-by "THE PRANAYAM" site area and updated that the EWS
>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>> structure roof-casting has been done upto the 6th or 7th floor but
>>>>>>> brick-work of that building is not in place as yet. In his opinion
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> earliest occupancy is subject to completion of EWS building.He
>>>>>>> cited that
>>>>>>> as per the Haryana Building By-laws,for the grant of occupancy
>>>>>>> certificate

>>>>>>> EWS units should stand fully constructed. ****
>>>>>>> 7. Those present unanimously agreed that issues should be

>>>>>>> taken-up one at a time with PCL. One of the members pointed out
>>>>>>> that all
>>>>>>> communications to PCL should only be by registered post or speed
>>>>>>> post.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> 8. All present were informed that a number of RTIs are pending

>>>>>>> and the same are expected shortly. It was explained that there
>>>>>>> were no
>>>>>>> reason to meet-up PCL till we have substantial information in
>>>>>>> hand.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> 9. Some members felt that there is a greater need for

>>>>>>> participation and volunteered to serve the group in various ways.

>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>> 10. It was unanimously voiced by all present that they will

>>>>>>> participate to make the group stronger in the interest of all
>>>>>>> apartment
>>>>>>> buyers and future neighbors of "THE PRANAYAM" , make it a
>>>>>>> wonderful place
>>>>>>> to live-in and, also make it the best address in the Greater
>>>>>>> Faridabad
>>>>>>> Area.One of the members thanked the group for their continuous
>>>>>>> support and

>>>>>>> cooperation.****

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The meeting ended with great thanks to all present.****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Papia****
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ****
>>>>>>>

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[Anand Jha]

Pawan

Was you in earlier core group

Are we going to be EMI group or group who does good work for us

Thinks Best Regards Anand Jha. +919810390102

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Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

[Anand Jha]

Dear All

 

Have gone thru entire mail chain today , Had a chance to see how we voiced our opinions... Please bear with me as I was part of both team , Will share some facts/ agreement   - with you !  please read and rethink ! what we achived earlier and why  are we  fighting / get united again !.. Please read clearfully ! .. Divide and rule already planted !!!. by some of our people

 

Point 1/2/3/4 address to "Pawan, Ramneek, Balvinder, & Pankaj " core group for Super area increase"

 

Point 1 -  when Puri raised " invoice for increase in area", we got united and thanks to "Pawan, Ramneek, Balvinder, & Pankaj " they represnted us  and met builder to verify accuracy of their demand ,as we individually failed to get anything .

Point2 -  Then core group said to us that they have verified the documents and " they"agreed to pay the enhanced charges related to increase in  super area , we reconcile our self ( myself as i donot have any option ) but to pay the super areas charges to payments... please note they agreed and convey same in IHC meeting !!!// did we have any option!!!

point 3 - we thanks then core group that we get opportunity to pay in 10 installements

Points 4 -  Please " check whether SRS / Omexe / BPTP " buyers faced same issue ? Answer in NO

comingto Enhanced EDC

point 5 - Pawan, Ramneek, Balvinder, & Pankaj ..we ( 200 odd people ) had faith in you !! why did not you all come forward !!!

Point 6 . Asihim / Papia and other ..this time formed core group and  provided opportuity to re group again

Point 7 . They collected more informations  and evidence and shared same with us , and provided confidence that builder demands was " not fact based " and they worked more  religously than eaarlier core group  ( sorry I dont undermine yours effort .. dont react!!!!)

 

point 7 -  Dear Pawan, Ramneek, Balvinder, & Pankaj , Had you all been in current core group " we would paid Enhanced EDC  to builder , yes , of course in " installemenst " without any visibility of "possession "....

Point 8 - please Dont undermine or underestimate current core group , they are equally compenmtent if not more than  earlier core group .

point 9  " are you willing to provide " in writting " that if we pay enhanced EDCto them , then will provide possession of flat!!!!... Sorry dear... builder had already collected 100% from us  (including you all ,, I hope!!!)

point 10    what option do we have  ... builder is not interested in completing the said project in time!! despite paying (95% payment on time and charges related to 8% inccresed in super area)... its alsomost 100%

 

point 11 adin addressed to dear Pawan, Ramneek, Balvinder, & Pankaj ..

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Sent: Wednesday, 1 February 2012 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

Dear Mr Halder,

I completely agree with you that we are giving PCL all the reason to divide and rule.

Just to clarify my point I am not saying paying the EDC is a solution and it will just expedite PCL speeding up the entire construction. I also agree that arranging this much of fund (3L) is also equally difficult.

 

All I am saying is to think tactically and fig out a solution for win win situation so that we can have possession at least in 1 years (worst possible). But i should not be like things are not moving any where and PCL has one more silly excuses for delay tactic that we did not pay the EDC in time. My point is if have waited 4 yrs may be we can wait 5 yrs(assuming it will take another 1 yrs to complete the construction as assessed by all who visited while also assuming current rate of work done) but this 5 yrs must not be 10 years or more so that we are in just no man's land. At the end we have to remember the stake is our as we have already paid 95% of payment and we still don't have anything in our hand.

 

So all I am looking for a meet and come to an short term effective solution which should build our case strong and we get the possession as early as possible. Once we get the possession we can fight our cause life long and we all will support.

 

Regards

Sudipto
 

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 4:27 PM, subroto haldar <subrot...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Team,
 
After going thru the recent mails, some comments from my side...
 
- Personally, I must thank Sudipto for the valuable points he has mentioned in his mail. I think his logics in Point 2 and 3 make a lot of sense. Sudipto, only thing is as you have mentioned paying 55 - 60K for a longer period of time is difficult, the same way for certain people arranging Rs 2.5 - 3 Lakhs within a short span of time may also be difficult. Another concern is... based on the recent observations (I mean the quality), how can we concentrate only on fast delivery... will you accept something which does not match your expected standard?
 
- I support Rattan's mail to Makhan / Asim. Yes, you have every right to protest against those words. We all are here for a cause and not in a war of vocabulary. I don't want to dig much about those mails but we must ensure that nothing drifts us away from our goal. No doubt our core group is doing a great job... but as a member of the group, we have every right to raise our concerns. We got united because of the Additional EDC issue but during the course of our action, so many other facts has been brought into our attention. We should be thankful to everyone for their contribution. Now we as a group, we need to evaluate and see which issue should be our top priority because at the end of the day the goal (savings) remains the same.
 
- We are not sure whether PCL has been keeping a track of all our correspondences and they will try to take every opportunity to "divide and rule". Hence, please be careful before you write anything here.
 
- I would like to request every member (especially the core members) of the group to evaluate very carefully and put their comments.
 
 
Thanks n regards
Subroto Haldar
+971506211395
 
 
 

Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 15:11:16 +0530

Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

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Hi Sudipto,

 

thanks for your suggestion / point of views expressed below.  This is exactly my point of view as well.  I have expressed similar views in one of the first emails I wrote on this subject around 1 - 1.5 month back, and something I reiterated day before yesterday in my email again.

 

The same point has also been expressed by other few members as well.  Possession should get the top priority as all members having invested 95% of the total project value are going to be the true losers in case of any delay.  The idea is, as expressed by you, to deal with one issue at a time and not give PCL any additional option for delaying the possession.  That many members are reeling under double impact of EMI and rental accomodation makes the need of an early possession even more urgent.

 

However, I have been accused of parochial views, incorrect opinions, and being an agent of PCL (yes, thats right).  Being an agent of PCL for taking further the cause of many members in the group!!  Being an agent of PCL for stating my views freely and for not showering praises on the core group!!!

 

The core group is, by their own admission, an autonomous body, which shall take actions on its own, and members can only suggest and not participate in any other way. 

 

The demands from members especially of an early possession are being negated and disregarded by the core group. 

 

Through this email, I once again appeal to the core group to hold each members suggestions as valid expressions of interest and to treat those in like way.  I am not against the core group, just dont agree with the functioning and the disregard for members' genuine concerns.

 

Best Regards,

Rattan N Whig

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:26 PM, sudipto chatterjee <sudipto...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

First of all my apology for being absent since long in the entire issue due to some personal problem. However I have been following each and every development in the entire EDC issue. My sincere thanks to all members of the core group for taking the problem on behalf of each member of PRANAYAM.

 

However suddenly I can some exchange of mails on some small issues and we are hereby drifting for the real bone of contention. I would like to pin point any particular individual as this entire problem is affecting all members of PRANAYAM. I am penning down my own POV on the entire issue and just request every one to ponder upon the same

 

1. I think our utmost emphasis to given on the earliest possession although I appreciate the effort is made to sort out the other issues like EDC and Licencing part. But we must understand that we have already paid 95% of the total cost which is nothing less than 4.8-5 Mn which by any means is a huge money for any middle class family. Now if we keep trying to address the other problems (which is genuine as well) and in that process give chance to PCL to make us responsible for delayed possession it would only help the builders.
2. In the current situation most of us are incurring the cost of rent which is nothing less than 17-18K and also the EMI which is also around 35-40K totaling up to appx 55-60K. Now if we keep fighting against the builder and not come to a solution which allow us to take possession earliest we will keep incurring above the cost for an infinite time which actually at the end will cost us more what we might save by not paying the enhance EDC (which is coming out to be Rs20/sqft as calculated by the core group) right now. Actually this will give builder to buy time and play the delay tactic.

1. In India we all know any legal battle (say we go that way right a way) not gonna give solution in a flash and we don't know how long its gonna take.So in legal battle court might ask for a stay order as we ourselves questioning the licence issue and by that way we are just might devalued the BRAND value of PRANAYAM and hence we might not be able sale off our property if we want.

All I want to say is lets us try to get the possession first get our property registered and keep fighting as this gonna be a long fought battle. But if we have our property in our hand and registered we can fight it much harder.All we need to do at that time to prove we were cheated and fraud is committed.So at that time even if the battle has to fought for 10 years we can pursue that without compromising our own financial impact and by God's willing we will win it and get the penalty from PCL.

 

Hence my request all the members to try for earliest possession and take route to solution for the same. And also we must remember we are gonna live in PRANAYAM as a family and hence request all to refrain from writing any mails which seeds the element of rift among us.

 

 

All the best

Warm Regards

Sudipto Chatterjee

9650590816

 

 

On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Asim Chowdhury <asim.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Best Regards,

 

Rattan N Whig

# 9811210342

[Anand Jha]

Rattan

We don't want Emi core group , why do you think u are competent enough to handle  this

We don't think you are good for core group member

Based on ur email n past perfoamnce

We don't accept you as core member
Who can't take our interest into account

And just pressing their own view

Best  Regards

Anand Jha.  +919810390102

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vine...@gmail.com; vineet...@gmail.com; vikr...@gmail.com; vijay....@gmail.com; vijaya...@googlemail.com; vn22...@gmail.com; vaibha...@yahoo.co.in; was...@gmail.com; writ...@hotmail.com; yogesh...@yahoo.com; yogesh...@gmail.com; papiabha...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

[Akhil Gupta]

I agree with this approach. 

Thanks & Regards,
Akhil Gupta-C7/1402
TPE-New Delhi
Tel.:                +91-11-2...        / 2614 9492

From: Ramneek Sethi <ramnee...@gmail.com>
To: sudipto chatterjee <sudipto...@gmail.com>
Cc: pranayam...@googlegroups.com; rattan whig <ratta...@gmail.com>; Asim Chowdhury <asim.ch...@gmail.com>; ratta...@wipro.com; amit...@elofic.com; ashish...@gmail.com; ashoow...@yahoo.co.in; amita...@yahoo.co.in; anand_...@yahoo.co.in; ananta...@gmail.com; arunjai...@gmail.com; arunam...@gmail.com; amrit...@yahoo.com; atanu...@hotmail.com; anil....@goodyear.com; abhish...@gmail.com; ashok....@gmail.com; anan...@airtel.in; akhi...@yahoo.com; arun...@yahoo.com; agrawa...@yahoo.com; abhish...@rediffmail.com; arya_n...@yahoo.co.in; aggar...@yahoo.com; ashish....@plantronics.com; aggarwa...@yahoo.com; a_k...@hotmail.com; anand_g...@yahoo.co.in; amits...@airtelmail.in; archa...@yahoo.com; arj...@yahoo.com; anubhav...@gmail.com; ajay....@ads-ooh.co.in; anil....@mcann.com; anandka...@yahoo.com; amank...@aimil.com; abpa...@gmail.com; ajay....@outdooradz.com; akta...@hotmail.com; ajayth...@yahoo.com; amit...@googlemail.com; ban...@gmail.com; brama...@gmail.com; bhupis...@hotmail.com; balvinde...@gmail.com; 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prashan...@luthragroup.net; pritam_...@yahoo.com; produ...@ace-cranes.com; psing...@yahoo.com; puja....@shahi.co.in; pune...@hotmail.com; ramnee...@gmail.com; rajiv...@hotmail.com; rkap...@gmail.com; ravi_k...@yahoo.com; rajesh...@hitachi-metglas.com; rku...@eicher.in; raj...@yahoo.com; rajesh...@yahoo.co.in; rajes...@hcl.in; ritusing...@gmail.com; rosh...@orange.fr; ravi_pra...@yahoo.com; rahulj...@gmail.com; rajee...@vsnl.net; raj...@yahoo.com; rajnish...@rediffmail.com; raju...@gmail.com; ranje...@yahoo.com; ranje...@gmail.com; rajesh....@oldworldhospitality.com; rajes...@outdooradz.com; rsch...@rasgas.com.qa; rakesh...@yahoo.com; ravi...@gmail.com; reena....@emirates.com; ravind...@gmail.com; ravind...@yahoo.com.au; ravindr...@hotmail.com; ravish...@gmail.com; rkb...@hpcl.co.in; rohini_...@hotmail.com; rohit.s...@us.pwc.com; rohitb...@yahoo.co.in; run...@hotmail.com; rajanch...@gmail.com; rajes...@yahoo.com; rku...@vecv.in; rajes...@hcl-axon.com; rks...@rediffmail.com; ravik...@gmail.com; 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Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 8:48 PM

Subject: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

Mobile:                +9...       

 

Thnx,

Asim Chowdhury
 

Mobile:                +9...       

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[Saras Sharma]

Dear All,

I too feel that we must focus on early possession and quality. We can form a group to lead this preferably with members from each tower and some good knowledge/observations on the specifications. Members can spread word around and volunteer so that this is initiated at the earliest.

 

Regards 

Saraswati 9810553051

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From: Gaurav Chhabra <gaura...@hotmail.com>
To: Akhil Gupta <akhi...@yahoo.com>; Ramneek Sethi <ramnee...@gmail.com>; papiabha...@gmail.com; abpa...@gmail.com; Aggarwal Krishan <aggar...@yahoo.com>; amita...@yahoo.co.in; ananta...@gmail.com; anil....@goodyear.com; arunam...@gmail.com; arun...@yahoo.com; ashish...@gmail.com; asim.ch...@gmail.com; bhupis...@hotmail.com; brama...@gmail.com; cap...@gmail.com; chauhan....@gmail.com; contact...@yahoo.com; csatr...@yahoo.com; dahiy...@gmail.com; davesh...@live.com; dco...@gmail.com; devindr...@arcor.de; dgx...@gmail.com; dheera...@iqor.com; fbd...@rediffmail.com; Jiten Goswami <goswam...@msn.com>; komal...@yahoo.com; mada...@gmail.com; MAKHAN L SAZAWAL <ad...@sazawal.com>; makhan sazawal <mla...@yahoo.com>; narinde...@hotmail.com; neeraj...@gmail.com; Papia Bhatachaarji <papiabha...@gmail.com>; poonamsh...@gmail.com; Pramesh Dewan <prames...@gmail.com>; pranayam...@googlegroups.com; pune...@hotmail.com; raj....@gmail.com; raj...@yahoo.com; ravi...@gmail.com; ravind...@gmail.com; ravindr...@hotmail.com; ravish...@gmail.com; ritusin...@gmail.com; RSCh...@rasgas.com.qa; Saiba...@gmrgroup.in; Saraswati Sharma <saraswat...@gmail.com>; savi_...@yahoo.com; sharma...@yahoo.co.uk; shub...@gmail.com; srir...@gmail.com; subrot...@hotmail.com; Success...@hotmail.com; sud...@maricoworld.net; sudipto...@gmail.com; sunan...@gmail.com; tkvar...@gmail.com; vb...@rediffmail.com; vikasr...@sify.com; divesh...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, 3 February 2012, 10:04

Subject: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

Bravo

 

I support the group.

 

Attached are the proposed road map grabbed from Huda website for everyone’s reference.

 

MASTER ROAD MAP
http://huda.etenders.in/tnduploads/huda ... a08201.pdf

Offline Tender Details
http://huda.etenders.in/viewpages/tende ... erType=new

[Gaurav Chhabra]

Bravo

 

I support the group.

 

Attached are the proposed road map grabbed from Huda website for everyone’s reference.

 

MASTER ROAD MAP
http://huda.etenders.in/tnduploads/huda ... a08201.pdf

Offline Tender Details
http://huda.etenders.in/viewpages/tende ... erType=new

 

 

 

From: Akhil Gupta

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:39 AM

To: Ramneek Sethi

Cc: abpa...@gmail.com ; Aggarwal Krishan ; amita...@yahoo.co.in ; ananta...@gmail.com ; anil....@goodyear.com ; arunam...@gmail.com ; arun...@yahoo.com ; ashish...@gmail.com ; asim.ch...@gmail.com ; bhupis...@hotmail.com ; brama...@gmail.com ; cap...@gmail.com ; chauhan....@gmail.com ; contact...@yahoo.com ; csatr...@yahoo.com ; dahiy...@gmail.com ; davesh...@live.com ; dco...@gmail.com ; devindr...@arcor.de ; dgx...@gmail.com ; dheera...@iqor.com ; fbd...@rediffmail.com ; gaura...@hotmail.com ; goswam...@msn.com ; komal...@yahoo.com ; mada...@gmail.com ; MAKHAN L SAZAWAL ; makhan sazawal ; narinde...@hotmail.com ; neeraj...@gmail.com ; Papia Bhatachaarji ; poonamsh...@gmail.com ; Pramesh Dewan ; pranayam...@googlegroups.com ; pune...@hotmail.com ; raj....@gmail.com ; raj...@yahoo.com ; ravi...@gmail.com ; ravind...@gmail.com ; ravindr...@hotmail.com ; ravish...@gmail.com ; ritusin...@gmail.com ; RSCh...@rasgas.com.qa ; Saiba...@gmrgroup.in ; saraswat...@gmail.com ; savi_...@yahoo.com ; sharma...@yahoo.co.uk ; shub...@gmail.com ; srir...@gmail.com ; subrot...@hotmail.com ; Success...@hotmail.com ; sud...@maricoworld.net ; sudipto...@gmail.com ; sunan...@gmail.com ; tkvar...@gmail.com ; vb...@rediffmail.com ; vikasr...@sify.com

[subroto haldar]

Sounds good.
 
Kindly let me know, as an NRI what should we do against the course of action suggested by Papia. May I propose that, let the core group prepare a summary on behalf all the inspection reports and present it to PCL. Like I am from Tower C... there must be lots of comments for the apartments in this tower. Similarly it should work for all the other towers / apartments.
 
Another point on which I would like you all to consider is... Take some snaps on the quality issues and also to display the current status of construction and bring them along during the discussion with PCL.

 
Thanks n regards
Subroto Haldar

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Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 04:57:50 +0000
From: sharma...@yahoo.co.uk

Subject: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

To: pranayam...@googlegroups.com

[Davesh Rajput]

A very well said QUOTE :
 
We are like bricks , its up to us , we can build a bridge by leveraging each other expertise & reach to our destination ( PRANAYAM) or we want to build a WALL  from ourselves.
 
WALL or BRIDGE ??
 
Am sure BRIDGE is the need of the hour. Lets make it.
 
Best Regards,
 
Davesh Rajput
C-3 /602
 

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From: subrot...@hotmail.com
To: pranayam...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 18:06:03 +0530

[Asim Chowdhury]

Dear All,

Of late, I have been closely monitoring news related to real estate. Some of these news reports offers for interesting reading, although they may or may not relate to us. Hope you will find it interesting.

Here is a very interesting article in a forum where the writer suggests some interesting ways of handling builders:
http://hindustan.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5431

This is a telling tale of the plight of residents of a Vatika City project in Gurgaon:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NorthIndia/Vatika-City-residents-send-legal-notice-to-builder/Article1-797724.aspx

Here's a news on the recent land acquisition controversy in Haryana:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NorthIndia/Whiff-of-a-scam-in-land-acquisition-for-Sec-58-115/Article1-801317.aspx

Here's a news on the warning issed by DTCP, Haryana:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/NorthIndia/Beware-of-builders-selling-property-without-a-licence/Article1-797728.aspx


Regards,

Asim Chowdhury

[K.S.Majithia]

Thanks Asim

 

This was very informative - especially the forum for handling builders!

And also about Vatika

 

Regards

 

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From: pranayam...@googlegroups.com [mailto:pranayam...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Asim Chowdhury
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 12:23
To: pranayam...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

[Asim Chowdhury]

Dear Capt, Majithia,

Good to hear that the information was of help. The information glutton I am fishing for all real estate news these days. Came across some more news items, some of which shows the international notoriety that the real estate in Haryana is earning (evident from a report in the Wall Street Journal). Here are the links to some more interesting news items:

A incisive article on a massive real estate scam in Haryana
http://www.tehelka.com/story_main51.asp?filename=Ne110212TILLER.asp

Here's how Mayfield Garden developer is now compelled to pay the outstanding dues to DT&CP (including pending EDC)
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Haryana/Mayfield-Garden-builders-to-clear-outstanding-dues/Article1-808272.aspx

Real Estate cases amount to a majority of cases filed in the Panchkula Consumer Court (very interesting)
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Housing-disputes-top-consumer-court-list/911320/

The poor construction quality of World Spa (a Unitech project) and its RWA's reaction on how the Haryana Apt. Owners Act was violated (I feel its pretty close to Pranayam's scenario)
http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/Haryana/World-Spa-residents-rue-poor-construction-lack-of-amenities/Article1-807281.aspx
 
I hope our residents friends read these news stories because they quite relate to us.

Regards,

Asim Chowdhury 

[Rajendra Chauhan]

Dear all,

 

I have also received the same email at my email ID. I hope all of us have received the same email.

 

Rgds

Rajendra Kumar

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Gaurav Chhabra <gaura...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Dear All

 

I have received following mail from Puri. Pl advice

 

Date: 14th Feb 2012

Dear Customer,

Status report of Pranayam as on 14.02.2012

I am pleased to inform you that the development work on Pranayam has progressed to a stage that it is incumbent to apply for occupation certificate of all the 23 towers including the EWS tower. Delay in applying for occupation certificate beyond 31.03.2012 will adversely effect the date on which final possession can be handed over to our customers.

It is once again my obligation to inform you that our application for consideration of issuing occupation certificate will not be entertained until the demand for additional EDC is fully satisfied. The demand for the payment of additional EDC by the Statutory Authority is applicable to every apartment owner in the State of Haryana. Unless such a demand is quashed by a Court of competent jurisdiction the payment is mandatory before licenses are renewed/completion certificates are issued. It is therefore in the interest of every one that the entirety of the demand be deposited with us on or before 31.03.2012. A minority of customers are also in default of other dues under the agreement of sale. Unless all dues are cleared by 31.03.2012, the occupation certificate formalities will not commence.

Various customers, developers, architects and engineers who have had the occasion to visit Pranayam have all uniformly described the development in project Pranayam to be the finest example of a group housing development with abundant landscape features, water bodies and hardscapes. The club house as constructed is the finest in the NCR. Instead of one swimming pool, four swimming pools have been provided. The ground floor lobbies have been so designed to give an ambiance which would do a Seven Star hotel proud. They have expressed amazement that we have imported 21 containers of artifacts from around the world to embellish the architecture and ambiance of Pranayam. Needless to say Pranayam has provided features not to be found in even the most expensive developments.

It is my painful duty to inform you that due to the acts of the minority who have repudiated their obligation to pay the dues under the sale agreement and the additional EDC as demanded by the statutory authority, the interests of the majority have been jeopardized by the non-payment of the DTCP’s demand for enhanced EDC and other dues under the sale agreement. Irrespective of the writ proceedings, the deposit of the additional EDC under protest is the only way forward. The occupation certificate formalities will be still borne till such time the full amount of the additional EDC demanded and other dues payable under the agreements are met. After 100% of the apartment owners deposit the EDC and the deposit being forwarded to the competent statutory authority it may take a minimum of four months of intensive inspections for the grant of the No Objection Certificate from various Departments. It is only after this that we can offer possession / occupation on the payment of 100% of the balance dues with interest as prescribed in the sale agreement.

We however, propose to give such members who have paid their dues, the facility of a licensee to carry out their fit outs in this period, and then we will take up the final job of painting and polishing, fitting out modular kitchens, ACs where applicable, etc. before we hand over the possession to you and register the apartment in your name.

On 18th March 2012 our management will invite a representative delegation of up to 12 apartment owners to exchange views on issues of mutual interest. However, the management will not entertain or inter act in the said proposed meeting with any one whose agreement has been revoked.

With warm regards,

For Puri Construction Pvt Ltd.

Mohinder Puri

Managing Director

 

 

 

 

Regards

 

Gaurav Chhabra

 

 

From: Akhil Gupta

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:39 AM

To: Ramneek Sethi

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[Gaurav Chhabra]

Dear All

 

I have received following mail from Puri. Pl advice

 

Date: 14th Feb 2012

Dear Customer,

Status report of Pranayam as on 14.02.2012

I am pleased to inform you that the development work on Pranayam has progressed to a stage that it is incumbent to apply for occupation certificate of all the 23 towers including the EWS tower. Delay in applying for occupation certificate beyond 31.03.2012 will adversely effect the date on which final possession can be handed over to our customers.

It is once again my obligation to inform you that our application for consideration of issuing occupation certificate will not be entertained until the demand for additional EDC is fully satisfied. The demand for the payment of additional EDC by the Statutory Authority is applicable to every apartment owner in the State of Haryana. Unless such a demand is quashed by a Court of competent jurisdiction the payment is mandatory before licenses are renewed/completion certificates are issued. It is therefore in the interest of every one that the entirety of the demand be deposited with us on or before 31.03.2012. A minority of customers are also in default of other dues under the agreement of sale. Unless all dues are cleared by 31.03.2012, the occupation certificate formalities will not commence.

Various customers, developers, architects and engineers who have had the occasion to visit Pranayam have all uniformly described the development in project Pranayam to be the finest example of a group housing development with abundant landscape features, water bodies and hardscapes. The club house as constructed is the finest in the NCR. Instead of one swimming pool, four swimming pools have been provided. The ground floor lobbies have been so designed to give an ambiance which would do a Seven Star hotel proud. They have expressed amazement that we have imported 21 containers of artifacts from around the world to embellish the architecture and ambiance of Pranayam. Needless to say Pranayam has provided features not to be found in even the most expensive developments.

It is my painful duty to inform you that due to the acts of the minority who have repudiated their obligation to pay the dues under the sale agreement and the additional EDC as demanded by the statutory authority, the interests of the majority have been jeopardized by the non-payment of the DTCP’s demand for enhanced EDC and other dues under the sale agreement. Irrespective of the writ proceedings, the deposit of the additional EDC under protest is the only way forward. The occupation certificate formalities will be still borne till such time the full amount of the additional EDC demanded and other dues payable under the agreements are met. After 100% of the apartment owners deposit the EDC and the deposit being forwarded to the competent statutory authority it may take a minimum of four months of intensive inspections for the grant of the No Objection Certificate from various Departments. It is only after this that we can offer possession / occupation on the payment of 100% of the balance dues with interest as prescribed in the sale agreement.

We however, propose to give such members who have paid their dues, the facility of a licensee to carry out their fit outs in this period, and then we will take up the final job of painting and polishing, fitting out modular kitchens, ACs where applicable, etc. before we hand over the possession to you and register the apartment in your name.

On 18th March 2012 our management will invite a representative delegation of up to 12 apartment owners to exchange views on issues of mutual interest. However, the management will not entertain or inter act in the said proposed meeting with any one whose agreement has been revoked.

With warm regards,

For Puri Construction Pvt Ltd.

Mohinder Puri

Managing Director

 

 

 

 

Regards

 

Gaurav Chhabra

 

 

From: Akhil Gupta

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:39 AM

To: Ramneek Sethi

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[R.Kapur]

A rebuttal letter may be sent by the core group giving all the facts and figures to counter the high claims of PCL at the earliest. We may cover all the issues in our reply ( Possession, EDC, quality, increase in super built up area).

Kind regards,

Ravi 

[rattan whig]

Dear All,

 

Almost all of us have recieved project status update from PCL today.  The status update contains renewed demand of outstanding EDC amount failing which Haryana authorities purportedly will not grant necessary clearances to the project.  Additionally, per the status update, EWS tower is nearing completion.

 

Now, I cannot help but mention the two - three points that we have all throughout been urging the core group to agree to, or at least meet and debate about (at least 6 separate meeting requests).   These points are the same as brought out by me at least on 2 different occasions as early as Dec 18, 2011, as well as voiced by many esteemed members at various times.  These are mentioned below, please feel free to add if I have left anything out inadvertently.

 

EDC charges are the statutory charges demanded by the government.  Since there has been an increase in the quantum of this charge, the difference between EDC already paid and the new EDC amount is to be deposited with the government authorities.  There have been multiple point of views on this one in the recent past. 

 

1. Common inference that most of the learned members have drawn is that EDC amount needs to be paid and is unavoidable.  The only remaining debate is about the manner in which the balance amount has been calculated.  Irrespective of the over / under calculation, if any, my suggestiion yet again is to pay the EDC amount, or at least pay part of it, lets say 2/3rd, remaining being kept in abeyance till the time we recieve further clarification from PCL.  Since the matter on interest component of EDC is subjudice, we can request PCL for the same. 

 

2. The only way forward is through dialog.  Engaging with PCL is the only reasonable means to get our demands resolved.  Per information that I have gathered, we have other concerns as well, primarily regarding the quality of construction.  These can only be resolved inndividually with the builder and not by means of GFWA or any other group agitation. 

 

3. Having paid 95% to 100% of the total project cost, which is close to INR 5000,000, can we afford to have delays, or at least give the builder an opportunity to cause delays.  This investment is not stand alone.  The cost of this investment, including the interest amount for those who have taken home loans, is huge to the tune of at least INR 400,000 to 600,000 per annum (depending on proportion of Home Loan plus opportunity loss for income from own funds).  Add to this double impact on people who are staying on rent.  Even simple back of the envelope calcualtions will show that if there is a delay of even 3 months in possession, the cost will be more than the benefit, and the realization of the benefit is itself highly unlikely and extremely time consuimg.  For people who have not taken any loan and paid the entire amount through their own funds, the cost of investment is at least 10% or INR 500,000 per annum (bank interest that they would earn if they chose to keep their money in simple FD)

 

PCL in their letter today has stated that they call upon a group of up to 12 members to come forward to voice their concerns.  As suggested by Papia previously, I can be part of the representative group that goes to meet PCL on the said date.  Our representation shall not only put pressure on PCL but also show that we are united in our efforts and demands.  We must use this window of opportunity that has been opened today, by PCL requesting us to come forward to discuss the outstanding issues. 

 

Please understand, joint and single representation is the only reasonably assured way of getting our issues resolved.  Any representation that doesnt weigh in and include views expressed by many members, if not majority of members, shall only cause losses to the entire effort.

 

Before any of the above however, I must again reiterate my request to the core group, and for the 7th occasion now, lets meet and finalize our arguments on the above points.  Lets fix a meeting for this weekend where we can resolve our concerns and proceed as one group. 

 

 

Best Regards,

 

Rattan N Whig

[K.S.Majithia]

Dear Rattan

 

I think you have the dynamism and are the most appropriate person at the moment to initiate the dialogue with PCL.

If I recall Papia too had suggested this in one of her messages giving the outline of discussions to be taken up with PCL.

 

Best
K.S.Majithia

[Subhash Kumar]

Dear All

 

I agree with Rattan that the only way forward is by engaging in dialogue with PCL .The current core group has got the mandate of most of the members to analyse the EDC problem and also other issues which come up from time to time.However for the benefit of people like me who have been in the loop only for last couple of months ,do let us know the constitution /names of members of core group.Further I also feel the core group should also have a reprensentation form people with diverse views.

It is agreed by all that EDC is  an obligation imposed by Govt of Haryana and needs to be paid.We need to assure that we pay only as much as is legitimate.The suggestion by Rattan that we may pay 2/3^rd of the demand

Or 50% whichever is approved by the members/core group.To sort out these issues we should meet as soon as possible and finalise the points raised by Rattan. The venue can be Delhi or Faridabad wherever majority of members live.

Regards

Subhash Kumar

 

From: pranayam...@googlegroups.com [mailto:pranayam...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of rattan whig

Sent: 14 February 2012 20:44
To: pranayam...@googlegroups.com; PRANAYAM APARTMENT BUYERS GROUP; Pranayam Faridabad
Cc: MAKHAN L SAZAWAL; saraswat...@gmail.com; srir...@gmail.com; gaura...@hotmail.com; fbd...@rediffmail.com; amitabhkr55; mada...@gmail.com; sudipto...@gmail.com; ritusin...@gmail.com; narinde...@hotmail.com; shub...@gmail.com; poonamsh...@gmail.com; raj...@yahoo.com; ravish...@gmail.com; Success...@hotmail.com; saiba...@gmrgroup.in; sud...@maricoworld.net; ravi...@gmail.com; sunan...@gmail.com; neeraj...@gmail.com; komal...@yahoo.com; pune...@hotmail.com; Ravinder Pal Verma; ravindr...@hotmail.com; goswam...@msn.com; Rajendra Chauhan; cap...@gmail.com; prames...@gmail.com; Asim Chowdhury; abpa...@gmail.com; Bharat Ramaswami; Devindra Kohli; sulocha...@gmail.com

[rattan whig]

Dear Mr. Majithia,

 

I welcome your suggestion.  I personally will not hesitate to take on the mantle to move forward with this as suggested by you & Papia. 

 

In the interest of the group and to take everyone's suggestions on board, we should make a group representation to PCL, comprising few learned members.  We can collectively approach PCL and sort out the pending issues, post which the outcome shall be shared with all the members.  

 

 

Best Regards,

 

Rattan N Whig 

[Makhan Lal Sazawal]

I endorse your considerate views

Sent from my iPad

[ramaranja...@gmail.com]

Dear All,
Now that the registration and the handing over of possession is started I am facing this problem. I have purchased the Flat in May 2012. Now they are asking me

1. to deposit Labour Cess and also the Bulk supply of Electricity. My point is that when I purchased In May 2012 the building was fully constructed and also the OC was applied for. In that case How can I be placed at par with all others who purchased at the original price ?
2. Whether the Bulk Supply of Electricity separately charged by PCL is genuine as I think this is part of the EDC and they are over charging from us ?

Please suggest.

[Akhil Gupta]

I am yet to receive any communication about posession for my flat. Please update!

 C7/1402

Thanks & Regards,
Akhil Gupta
TPE-New Delhi
Tel.: +91-11-2614 9550 / 2614 9492/9999-36-9903

From: "ramaranja...@gmail.com" <ramaranja...@gmail.com>
To: pranayam...@googlegroups.com
Cc: rattan whig <ratta...@gmail.com>; Ajay Sharma <ajays...@gmail.com>; Asim Chowdhury <asim.ch...@gmail.com>; Rattan Whig <ratta...@wipro.com>; amitgupta <amit...@elofic.com>; Ashish Bhola <ashish...@gmail.com>; ashoowadehra <ashoow...@yahoo.co.in>; amitabhkr55 <amita...@yahoo.co.in>; Anand Jha189 <anand_...@yahoo.co.in>; anantasinha8 <ananta...@gmail.com>; Arunjai Mittal <arunjai...@gmail.com>; arunamohan13 <arunam...@gmail.com>; Amrit Simmu <amrit...@yahoo.com>; Atanu Sinha <atanu...@hotmail.com>; Anil Gupta <anil....@goodyear.com>; ABHISHEKBISEN <ABHISH...@gmail.com>; Ashok Ganjoo <ashok....@gmail.com>; akhiloni <akhi...@yahoo.com>; arunfore <arun...@yahoo.com>; Agrawal Sk11 <agrawa...@yahoo.com>; Abhishek Dce <abhish...@rediffmail.com>; Arya Neelika <arya_n...@yahoo.co.in>; aggarwalkk <aggar...@yahoo.com>; Ashish Kundnani <ashish....@plantronics.com>; aggarwalyograj <aggarwa...@yahoo.com>; A Kamra <a_k...@hotmail.com>; Anand Gupta Ag <anand_g...@yahoo.co.in>; amitsood64 <amits...@airtelmail.in>; archana0402 <archa...@yahoo.com>; arjunve <arj...@yahoo.com>; Anubhav Guglani <anubhav...@gmail.com>; Ajay Dhawan <ajay....@ads-ooh.co.in>; anan...@in.airtel.com
Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012 7:04 PM

Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

Dear All,
Now that the registration and the handing over of possession is started I am facing this problem. I have purchased the Flat in May 2012. Now they are asking me

1. to deposit Labour Cess and also the Bulk supply of Electricity. My point is that when I purchased In May 2012 the building was fully constructed and also the OC was applied for. In that case How can I be placed at par with all others who purchased at the original price ?
2. Whether the Bulk Supply of Electricity separately charged by PCL is genuine as I think this is part of the EDC and they are over charging from us ?

Please suggest.

On Thursday, February 2, 2012 12:08:24 AM UTC+5:30, Anand Jha wrote:

Rattan

We don't want Emi core group , why do you think u are competent enough to handle  this

We don't think you are good for core group member

Based on ur email n past perfoamnce

We don't accept you as core member
Who can't take our interest into account

And just pressing their own view




Best  Regards

Anand Jha.  +919810390102

[Deepak Bajaj]

We have received our possession letter and the calculations are all fine. They have even adjusted the EDC which we had paid extra earlier. We did not expect that. I will upload the details for the benefit of the others and we will make the payment soon.

Best Regards

Deepak Bajaj

[sanjay kaul]

Dear All,
Is there anyone in the group who has bought the flat in the down
payment plan and not in construction link plan(CLP).If yes then have
you paid the steel escalation cost which the PCL have mentioned in
their final offer letters.

Regards,
Sanjay Koul
A2-401

On 12/20/12, Deepak Bajaj <mrdeep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We have received our possession letter and the calculations are all fine.
> They have even adjusted the EDC which we had paid extra earlier. We did not
> expect that. I will upload the details for the benefit of the others and we
> will make the payment soon.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Deepak Bajaj
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Akhil Gupta <akhi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I am yet to receive any communication about posession for my flat. Please
>> update!
>> C7/1402
>> Thanks & Regards,
>> Akhil Gupta
>> TPE-New Delhi

>> Tel.: +91-11-2614 9550 */ *2614 9492/9999-36-9903
>> *From:* "ramaranja...@gmail.com" <ramaranja...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* pranayam...@googlegroups.com
>> *Cc:* rattan whig <ratta...@gmail.com>; Ajay Sharma <

>> ajays...@gmail.com>; Asim Chowdhury <asim.ch...@gmail.com>; Rattan
>> Whig <ratta...@wipro.com>; amitgupta <amit...@elofic.com>; Ashish
>> Bhola <ashish...@gmail.com>; ashoowadehra <ashoow...@yahoo.co.in>;
>> amitabhkr55 <amita...@yahoo.co.in>; Anand Jha189 <
>> anand_...@yahoo.co.in>; anantasinha8 <ananta...@gmail.com>; Arunjai
>> Mittal <arunjai...@gmail.com>; arunamohan13 <arunam...@gmail.com>;
>> Amrit Simmu <amrit...@yahoo.com>; Atanu Sinha
>> <atanu...@hotmail.com>;
>> Anil Gupta <anil....@goodyear.com>; ABHISHEKBISEN <
>> ABHISH...@gmail.com>; Ashok Ganjoo <ashok....@gmail.com>; akhiloni
>> <akhi...@yahoo.com>; arunfore <arun...@yahoo.com>; Agrawal Sk11 <
>> agrawa...@yahoo.com>; Abhishek Dce <abhish...@rediffmail.com>; Arya
>> Neelika <arya_n...@yahoo.co.in>; aggarwalkk <aggar...@yahoo.com>;
>> Ashish Kundnani <ashish....@plantronics.com>; aggarwalyograj <
>> aggarwa...@yahoo.com>; A Kamra <a_k...@hotmail.com>; Anand Gupta Ag
>> <
>> anand_g...@yahoo.co.in>; amitsood64 <amits...@airtelmail.in>;
>> archana0402 <archa...@yahoo.com>; arjunve <arj...@yahoo.com>; Anubhav
>> Guglani <anubhav...@gmail.com>; Ajay Dhawan <
>> ajay....@ads-ooh.co.in>; anan...@in.airtel.com

>> *Sent:* Sunday, 9 December 2012 7:04 PM
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012

>> * From: *rattan whig [ratta...@gmail.com]
>> * Sent: *02/01/2012 09:31 PM ZE5B
>> * To: *Ajay Sharma <ajays...@gmail.com>
>> * Cc: *pranayam...@ googlegroups.com; Asim Chowdhury <

>> * Subject: *Re: Fwd: Re: PRANAYAM BUYERS GROUP ON 26.01.2012