Paramahamsa: So we can come to the spiritual world and return?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes.
Paramahamsa: Fall down?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. As soon as we try, "Oh, this material world is
very nice," "Yes," Krsna says, "yes, you go . . . Otherwise what is
the meaning of free will?' Morning Walk, Cheviot Hills Golf Course May
13, 1973 Los Angeles
Prabhupada - "originally EVERYONE is nitya-siddha.
nitya-siddha krishna-bhakti 'sadhya' kabhu naya
zravanadi-zuddha-citte karaye udaya
Every living entity originally nitya-siddha, but somehow or other,
just like Jaya-Vijaya, fell down in this material world"
Srila Prabhupada - "Actually no-one falls down from Vaikuntha, they
only 'think' they are fallen or 'dream' they are fallen but in
perpetual reality one can never fall down". Srimad Bhagavatam class
Japan
Srila Prabhupada - 'No one falls from the spiritual world or Vaikuntha
planet, for it is the eternal abode. (Bhag. 3.16.26, purp.)
Mayapur, India, on February 19, 1976 Questions to Srila Prabhupadfa of
how we fell down from Goloka, (not as our nitya-siddha body) as our
dreaming nitya-baddha dreaming consciousness -
Guru-krpa - "They say that in the spiritual world we say that
everything is peaceful, there is no birth and death, there is no
material conditions, so why if the conditions in the spiritual world
are so nice and everything is spiritually, everything is spiritual,
how is it that one can become envious of Krishna in such conditions?
This is a very . . ."
Acyutananda - "The original sin".
Sudama- "Why we are envious".
Guru-krpa - "How is it that, if everything is free from envy, free
from bad material elements . . ."
Srila Prabhupada - 'Yes'.
Guru-krpa - "How is it that . . .
Srila Prabhupada - "That is independence. In spite of all these
things, because you have got little independence, you can violate".
Sudama - "It is very hard to understand".
Srila Prabhupada - "No, it is not difficult. It is not difficult".
Acyutananda - "It is not difficult. They don't want to understand".
Srila Prabhupada - "Because you are part and parcel of God, God has
got full independence, but you have got little independence,
proportionately, because you are part and parcel".
Acyutananda - "But in the Gita, it says, "Once coming there, he never
returns."
Srila Prabhupada - "But if he likes, he can return".
Acyutananda - "He can return".
Srila Prabhupada - "That independence has to be accepted, little
independence. We can misuse that. Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha
kare. That misuse is the cause of our falldown".Mayapur, India, on
February 19, 1976, Srila Prabhupada
Acyutananda - "In Krsna book it says that there were some color
fighting in
Dvaraka. They were throwing color. And some men became lusty seeing
the women. So is . . . Will that be the first part of their falldown,
to be in Vaikuntha and think of personal lust with Krishna's
associates?"
Srila Prabhupada - "Yes".
Srila Prabhupada - "So as eternal servitors of Krishna-our
constitutional position-we fall down when we try to become the
enjoyer, imitating Krishna. That is our downfall". Letter to
Jananivasa Prabhu, dated August 27, 1967
This clearly means our nitya-siddha body can never leave Goloka or
Vaikuntha and that WE ONLY DREAM WE LEAVE.
The mahat-tattva is the place where such dreams go and that is also
why Maha-Vishnu is dreaming the entire mahat-tattva which takes up 25%
of the Spiritual Sky.
Srila Prabhupada - "This material creation is the spirit soul's dream.
Actually all existence in the material world is a dream of Maha-Visnu,
as the Brahma Samhita describes: Purport to SB. 4.29.83.
Srila Prabhupada - "This material world is created by the dreaming of
Maha-Visnu. The real factual platform is the spiritual world, but when
the spirit soul wants to imitate the Supreme Personality of Godhead,
he is put into this dreamland of material creation." Purport to SB.
4.29.83.
Srila Prabhupada - "The living of a miserable life in the material
world by dint of the soul's choice is nicely illustrated by Milton in
Paradise Lost. Similarly, by choice the soul can regain paradise and
return home, back to Godhead". Sri Caitanya Caritamrita Adi 5.22
Srila Prabhupada - "Everything happening within time, which consists
of past, present and future, is merely a dream. This is the secret in
understanding in all the Vedic literature." SB. 4.29.2b.
Srila Prabhupada - "So this dreaming condition is called non-liberated
life, and this is just like a dream. Although in this material
calculation it is a long, long period, as soon as we come to Krishna
consciousness then this period is considered as a second". Letter from
Srila Prabhupada in 1972 to devotee in Australia
Srila Prabhupada - "Awakening or dreaming, I am the same man. As soon
as I awaken and see myself, I see Krsna" Letter to Australian devotees
1972
When we're dreaming, we think it's real. It seems real, no matter how
mixed up the dream is. That's life in the material world. We think
it's real, but it's not. It's a real dream. But still a dream.
Srila Prabhupada - "when the dream is finished, we come to another
dream: "Oh, this is my house. This is my family. This is my bank
balance." This is going on. Dream. One dream at night, one dream at
daytime. But who is dreaming? That is the living entity. So his
business is different. Not dreaming, daytime dreaming and nighttime
dreaming. He has to come to the actual platform. That is Krsna
consciousness. If he takes to Krsna consciousness, that is his actual
life. Otherwise, he's in the dreamland" Bombay, December 27, 1972
Tatastha s'akti refers to the jiva soul's sovereignty as an individual
living being (you and I) and IS 'our' perpetual identity, personality,
individuality and desires that communicate our own autonomous way of
thinking of how to serve and please Krishna in a selfless manner, that
remains that way for all eternity. This loving exchange or
reciprocation with Krishna and His devotees is the purpose of all
marginal living entities and why they have free will. It is simply
there so the living entity can express their own splendid loving
exchanges of humble devotion service and gratitude to Krishna, in
their own unique way. If there is no such choice of expression and
free will, then how can there be love?
We therefore eternally exist independently, not in some place in-
between the spiritual creation and the material creation, but rather
under the influence of free will that can CHOOSE BETWEEN the
imperishable superior energy (Lord Krishna), where our authentic
everlasting genuine bodily self is always serving Krishna, or we can
ignore Krishna and who we really are altogether, and take shelter (not
as a perpetual svarupa body) within the perishable inferior energy
(mahat-tattva material creation) of Maha Vishnu.