Threshold Post-Modernism
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and self-reflective, self-critical PM. Since the attributes of
self-reflection and self-critque are particularly prevalent in the PM
phase, it is therefore foolish to think that a post-modern criticizing
post-modern forms is post-post-modern. However, a post-post-modern
must, clearly, both include and critique PM.
The structural dynamics involved here are of particular interest
insofar as the social phenomenon parallels that of the interior, mental
attempt at 'real-time' self observation.
Also to consider is the idea, which finds expression constantly in
early PM, that "at least I can see the pattern that I am caught up in."
The question, of course, is whether this point of pattern-inspection
is a privledged position, an authentic step in growth, or whether it
merely designates "yet another" point on an endless round-about. A PPM
answer must structually include both these tendencies of definition,
building them into each other.
Coco
employing a three-step categorization. Using one of the developmental
colour schemes (Wilber or Spiral Dynamics) I specify (i) conceptual
capability (ii) general emotional center of gravity (iii) presence or
absence of "spiritualization".
For example 1, a comedian might be "Green (orange) x" Their cognition
is consistently high post-modern but their generally felt "fall back"
is modernist with no confirmed allegiance to higher values.
For example 2, a theorist might be "Green (green) ><". This individual
is centered at the same level as their comprehensiion and is "healthy"
in the sense of being open to vertical interior progress toward the
highest values.
Now -- Assuming the first example is a more compex post-modernist,
capable of looping their process of self-looping and humorously
critiquing the PM values in which they inhere, while the second is a
less complex, less looped post-modernist with a weaker map, who is
closer to PPM? The first is situated on the cusp -- using the hype or
performatively articulated "superficial" ideas that will lead into the
next level IF they deepen. The second, however, is self-balanced,
open, and "ready to move" by virtue of the fact that their center of
gravity agrees with their understanding.
This is important to keep in mind.
It is also fascinating by way of the correspondences it produces. The
invented 'example 1" is descriptive (as far as I know) both of Sarah
Silverman and cognitivist philosoper Daniel Dennet. Perhaps the only
time they have been included in the same category! How much there is
to learn by knowing the "style and customs" of each district in the
great unfolding.
When we then conceive of someone being not just PPM but cognizant of
the "gap" as the structuring presence of the spiritualized universe --
what minimum capacities are being considered.
My guess is that somehwere around "Green (blue) ><" or "Orange (orange)
><" is the lowest level at which the "thing itself" is can self-articulate in the maps and lives of individuals.
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'center recognizes center'- in other words, my gap responds
psycho-energetically to any other similarily structured gaps in my
vicinity, a kind of pragmatic resonance. We must also keep in mind the
tendency of a stronger gap to inherently realign the structure of a
weaker gap, since the gap itself pressuposes a type of structural
instability within an individual, thereby making it relatively easy
push-pull a PPM threshold person into at least a very rudimentary yet
actual PPM state.
Categorizations of individuals are at best helpful snapshots that we
can use to recognize certain functional characteristics relating to
PPM-like movements, but we should not expend a great deal of time or
energy trying to figure out who fits in where. Center recognizes
center, via direct communion and also by way of an individual's social
artifacts.
PPM, like PM which preceeds it, is not a 'thing', but rather a
perspective, a view from further up the mountain which correspondingly
alters the details and relationships of all the percieved elements from
further below. Because of this, we may not be able to ever really
describe or define what PPM is, since our description is itself a
function of its action. We can only come at it from a roundabout way,
either by setting up social artifacts which 'code' for it more
efficiently, or by push-pulling other individuals up to our
perspective.
One becomes PM when one recognizes that language ultimately refers only
to itself, and thereby cretes a gap between itself and experience.
One becomes PPM when one recognizes this recognition as being itself
fully equal to that gap, and thereby regenerates itself as experience.
Or, to couch it in less esoteric/more spiritual terms:
One begins the great spiritual search with the question; 'why am i not
aware?'.
One becomes aware, and ends the search, through the act of questioning
the question.
The Real is not a place you can ever arrive at.
Coco
people must, as you say, be among the primary data for inclusion in any
general perspective. It is intimately related to its opposite: subtle
antagonism. In conversion with a 'borderline' one experiences a
particular satisfaction when the wavelength matches and a sudden,
almost irrational, contempt/disconnect when the other runs into a blind
alley and claims that s/he has secured something wondrous. During
mutual resonance the more established center will deepen the less
established. In turn, the more established will gain a greater
solidity of footing, a more comfortable certainty and the opportunity
to "lay new tracks" to reinforce their own understanding -- often out
of sheer desperation to explain.
Since this is the case with all perspectives, and with the cores of all
perspectives, we should not surprised that the correlative frame in
which trans-pespectives fit/merge is a very clear articulation of this
process.
There are multiple ways in which to map a territory. Those who live in
it may be said to be the only ones who truly know it OR perhaps they
will never see what their mountain-top neighbour sees. The defining
character of PPM is the mountain-view... the view from PPPM. No
territory is ever complete or isolated from the dynamics of its own
becoming. New sub-territory is always being generated from the fresh
energy at the thresholds and interstiticies. Nonetheless, it is
entirely conceivable that the main geographic details can be
established for a good long period of time.
The process of the questioning the root-questioning, thereby producing
its temporary (and PPM revelatory) suspension is certainly at the heart
of the situation. It is perhaps the single best method of gathering
the original data necessary to "see" these new spaces. This procedure
is an example of the same phenomena that arise when thinking through an
autological proof or when (a la Plato) trying to perceive the
fundamental quality of some quality that you are responding to.
Locating "beauty itself" produces a micro-surge of the same new energy
that accompanies the Transformed Gap.
Lola Hiroshima
saying anyways:
psotmodernism is the recognition of the gap at the core of all
social-linguistic structures
postpostmodernism is the self-identifiying of the individual in and as
that gap.
This i think is a sufficiently succinct 'definition' of the difference
between PM and PPM.
Coco
Hmmm... I recall posting a long message here. Perhaps there was
computer trouble.
Coco
"psotmodernism is the recognition of the gap at the core of all
social-linguistic structures
postpostmodernism is the self-identifiying of the individual in and
as
that gap. "
The idea of 'core' overstates the location at which post-modernist
recognize this gap. Some find it centrally, certainly, but many find
it also between what they assume are independent structures with a
variety of cores. Many of them do not deduce that it is prior,
fundamental, central, etc. Postmodernism is an explicit encounter
with sheer semantic space or its socio-linguistic consequences.
Post-Postmodernism is the discovery and socio-linguistic consequences
of the fact that sheer semantic space can be organically inhabited by
human awareness. 'self-identify' is a model that occurs only in some
cases. for many, it is imagined as a dissolution of self that enables
a spirit-entity to possess them. though i don't intend to name
names. these many will remain secret, secret raisins in the bran
cereal of diplomacy.
definitions will come naturally in moments, though i agree that the
above is succinct and unobstrudel.