Rithy, MoonOS to Gnome Summit

[Jean-Philippe 'Tropical Ice Cube' Monteiro]

Hi Mario, Fred, Viirak.

I had a call yesterday from Rithy, the 17-year-old leader of MoonOS about him coming to HCM City for
the Gnome summit.

That comes quite cool, as Fred was otherwise recently asking if someone would come from PP to the
summit and speak...

Mario:
Rithy has some limitations with English language, we need to define here if/when he is invited, and
how can he be supported (nothing more than bus+sleep+meals of course), all practical matters.

Fred:
I want you to meet him when in PP! Are you going straight from PP to HCMC? I will be back in PP on
16/10.

Viirak:
It be cool if you can assist. I think I heard that you were not too much interested, but going along
Rithy could help a great deal.

I am willing to help anyway; from what I understand, Mario would come to "pick up" Rithy and go back
to HCMC - if we can find someone like Viirak, you don't need to do that. I would really like Rithy
to present MoonOS by himself (I can help him prepare) but for Q&A, it would be better to have a
good khmer/english guy at hand... [Viirak, you hear me? :) ]

Cheers all!
Jean-Philippe "Tropicalicecube" monteiro
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[Frederic Muller]

Hi!

I'll be coming first to PP and then travel by bus to HCM. I can
definitely accompany Rithy. My Cambodian used to be excellent but I
haven't practiced in years (about 10 years), no sure how my brain will
do when it'll have to search for memories "up there".

As I said on the mailing list we should organize a little PPLUG meeting
on Tuesday evening and try to meet up with Rithy, Chantra, yourself and
maybe other influentials FOSS Cambodian people.

I'll be in PP on Saturday 14th so if anyone wants to meet me before
Tuesday that's fine too.

Thanks.

Fred

[Jean-Philippe 'Tropical Ice Cube' Monteiro]

On Monday 09 November 2009, Frederic Muller wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'll be coming first to PP and then travel by bus to HCM. I can

> definitely accompany Rithy. []

>
> As I said on the mailing list we should organize a little PPLUG meeting
> on Tuesday evening and try to meet up with Rithy, Chantra, yourself and
> maybe other influentials FOSS Cambodian people.
>
> I'll be in PP on Saturday 14th so if anyone wants to meet me before
> Tuesday that's fine too.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Fred

Yo!

Given the spread of discussions we should have, I suggest we brake stuff one way or another,
depending on your respective schedules:

Our PPLUG & FOSS-in-Kh Today:
Beers'nBytes is our every-Tuesday, no-laptop-in-hands techno gathering in a bar for the Happy Hour
[Cheap Geeks we are :) ] - it's perfect to speak about PPLUG/FOSS as general discussion.

3D Printer:
Who are you doing this with? Where there be a presentation? Can you share, or shall we have another
quick gathering? But that too can be talked over a beer (or two) on Tuesday night.

MoonOS:
Maybe we try to talk it before the 6PM Beers'n'Bytes thing, with 12rithy (and possibly Viirak...)
about schedules, presentation and any practical matter - that shouldn't take more than 30 minutes,
and my home is very near Beers'n'Bytes place.

This is all for now for the 'Phnom Penh' part; Mario just replied about HCMC stuff, I'll reply there
as appropriate.

Thanks!

Jean-Philippe "Tropicalicecube" Monteiro
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[Jean-Philippe 'Tropical Ice Cube' Monteiro]

On Monday 09 November 2009, Mario Behling wrote:
> Hi Jean-Philipp,
>
> I am happy you are writing to me. Yes, it would be great to have Rithy
> in HCMC and we would also be happy to welcome you and Vilrak. We will
> have some developers of LXDE from Taiwan here. And I would be happy if
> we could bring people interested in desktop environments for the
> region.
>
> We can cover costs. I estimate 70,- USD for the whole trip (bus and
> hotel). The deadline was Nov. 6. So, I need the travel forms filled
> out quickly if possible, so we can arrange everything. About the
> travel of Rithy, I cant pick him up. It would be quite difficult to
> arrange that. So it would be good, if we can have someone else, who
> can help. A translator from Cambodian to Vietnamese is also good,
> English would be good too, if possible.
>
> Jean-Philippe, could you also give a talk about FOSS projects you are
> involved in? Are there any other speakers interesting for us?
>
> Enclosed I am sending you the travel form. Please register a talk here
> http://2009.gnome.asia/?page_id=102#speaker
> and send the travel form to travel-c...@gnome.org and
> m...@mariobehling.de in CC.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Many regards from HCMC.
>
> Mario
>

Mario, nice to meet you!

Fred will do the trip by bus, and volunteer to resuscitate his Khmer, committing his brains to
meltdown, in order to help Rithy, us, FOSS and the Summit.

Thanks Fred!

Now, of course, I should have though about Khmer/Viet translator. Aouch...

Does anyone on this PP Linux list speaks Vietnamese? As I understand, it's an opportunity to a free
ticket to HCMC on November 21-22-23 :)

I will _not_ come myself: I am highly passionate about Human Interfaces, but I don't speak Khmer, or
Viet, or Code, don't have a presentation ready, and my strong points are on ultra-fast/lightweight
WindowManagers like Enlightenment or BlackBox (cool to know you'll have L.XDE devs on board!) My
project is all about finding new channels to provide software to people, and hopefully any of my
friends going there can explain what I do, and how I want it to evolve.

The leader of the Enlightenment project is in HK btw, you may want to... Carsten Haitzler
raster/@\rasterman.com

To extend further the discussion with 12rithy & MoonOS, there is all the topic of translation to be
put on the table, and why khmerOS went for KDE while the clear distro of choice here in PP is
UBUNTU. And what with the unicode keyboard bug with gnome? These are cool panel discussions where
Rithy and/or Chantra (in copy) could help.

Yes, Chantra should definitely go too, he is the PR of KhmerOS.
[It is a day off today, don't expect a reply right_now]

When things start to organize themselves, I can print/share/make people fill the form and get them
back to you ASAP. I will follow up closely, I am aware of your deadlines.

Cheers

Jean-Philippe "Tropicalicecube" monteiro
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[Virak.HOR]

hi Phillip et all,

Sound great to hear that Rithy going to the gnome summit. I don't know
how many ppl will come from phnom penh. to me not quite interested in
as I am not working on any foss projects now, so yea seem nothing I
might wanna talk there.

But in general, if nobody come, I might can come by with Rithy et u,
Phillip? N I can talk about our foss community, projects and
development here.

anyways if u guys are here in pp, Maybe it's good to meetup. Just
call me any time, 012568422, or at freebird Beer&Byte tomorrow,
Tuesday, 6pm would be great!

Cheers,
viirak

On Monday, November 9, 2009, Mario Behling <mariob...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jean-Philipp,
>
> I am happy you are writing to me. Yes, it would be great to have Rithy
> in HCMC and we would also be happy to welcome you and Vilrak. We will
> have some developers of LXDE from Taiwan here. And I would be happy if
> we could bring people interested in desktop environments for the
> region.
>
> We can cover costs. I estimate 70,- USD for the whole trip (bus and
> hotel). The deadline was Nov. 6. So, I need the travel forms filled
> out quickly if possible, so we can arrange everything. About the
> travel of Rithy, I cant pick him up. It would be quite difficult to
> arrange that. So it would be good, if we can have someone else, who
> can help. A translator from Cambodian to Vietnamese is also good,
> English would be good too, if possible.
>
> Jean-Philippe, could you also give a talk about FOSS projects you are
> involved in? Are there any other speakers interesting for us?
>
> Enclosed I am sending you the travel form. Please register a talk here
> http://2009.gnome.asia/?page_id=102#speaker
> and send the travel form to travel-c...@gnome.org and
> m...@mariobehling.de in CC.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Many regards from HCMC.
>
> Mario
>

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[Jean-Philippe 'Tropical Ice Cube' Monteiro]

Hi all;

It seems the bus ticket to VN has become incredibly expensive 64$ for a round trip;

I am not begging for more:
-We are way out of schedule,
-I definitely don't have time,
-Chantra is in the Philippines and doesn't reply,
-Rithy hasn't got the money,
-Viirak would go, but just for help because he hasn't got a talk.

...and we don't even know if in real-life, khmer people can go trough customs without a visa. it is
supposed to, but I haven't got an answer.

And on top of that, I am leaving for SihanoukVille _now_ and won't see a screen, much less a
connected one, in the coming 4 days since I'll be doing the Sound for a rock festival over there.

Sorry. Smells failure to me since everybody was asking for my help.
We'll speak with Fred on Tuesday, see if we can do something to promote us here anyway.

Cheers.

[Virak.HOR]

Hi phillip,

Where did you get that??
well, I've just checked with the bus company they said:

- Round trip ticket is only $22
- Cambodian no [need] visa
- You, as foreigner, need visa
- For Rithy without passport would cost another 40$ more, for the process crossing the border.
- For Chantra, i think i can convince him if we really need him ;)

So, it's fun to go. Why not??

cheers,
viirak

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Jean-Philippe 'Tropical Ice Cube' Monteiro <j...@tropicalicecube.net> wrote:

Hi all;

It seems the bus ticket to VN has become incredibly expensive 64$ for a round trip;

I am not begging for more:
-We are way out of schedule,
-I definitely don't have time,
-Chantra is in the Philippines and doesn't reply,
-Rithy hasn't got the money,
-Viirak would go, but just for help because he hasn't got a talk.

 

 

... and we don't even know if in real-life, khmer people can go trough customs without a visa. it is

supposed to, but I haven't got an answer.

And on top of that, I am leaving for SihanoukVille _now_ and won't see a screen, much less a
connected one, in the coming 4 days since I'll be doing the Sound for a rock festival over there.

Sorry. Smells failure to me since everybody was asking for my help.
We'll speak with Fred on Tuesday, see if we can do something to promote us here anyway.


Cheers.

Jean-Philippe 'Tropical Ice Cube' Monteiro

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[The Tropicalicecube]

Cool. Damn Rithy, called me this morning complaining 'bout the price...

He told me he has a passport by the way, so that's ok. Or so I guess.

Too late for me to get a visa... I'm in the bus already.

Does someone know if I can get a visa at the border? As you say, it'be fun to do it together.

Cheers - jean-philippe.

Sent from my phone - sorry for the poor format.

[Virak.HOR]

Phillip, when will u come back???
The Bus company said, if u can drop ur passport on Monday or Tuesday, next beer&bytes, and pay 33$ then everything will be fine.

best,
viirak

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JP

It has been my understating that getting a Vietnam Visa takes a trip to their embassy, they long ago talked about visa on arrival but I hear even that system is not up to speed some 4 years on as it takes some complexity to do it right, not just a matter of arriving and paying the fees.

 I may be wrong... but a visa at the border is out of the question for those without an ASEAN country passport...   I recently chatted with Hung about this situation...   seems you are out of luck getting a visa at the border...  but a letter of invitation at the local Vietnam embassy might help things a bit.

In Cambodia
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Tel: +855-23 362741
http://www.vietnamembassy-cambodia.org/en/

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[Don Robertson]

Greetings,

Don't pretend to understand what MoonOS has to do with Gnome :-)

How many people are going, and for how long? I know someone who runs
vans from Svay Reing to PP several times a day. Could be open to a
Charter :-) I'll be phoning them tomorrow night (mid afternoon your time).

I assume it is in Ho Chi Minh?

Don

[Frederic Muller]

Hi!

Yes it is in Ho Chi Minh from 20 (Friday) to 22 (Sunday). Bus trip is
rather cheap, visa doubles the price and then you still need to add
accommodation. The way I look at it, it's a way to attend an
internationally attended Open Source conference with experts on many
topics and definitely not far away from Phnom Penh.

Even if it's Gnome oriented anything Open Source and linked to the
region is of importance. A good way to build relationships with big
projects and Open Source lovers who live nearby.

I already have my return ticket (leaving at 3pm on Thursday) but I
definitely think just to attend the conference for anyone interested in
Open Source who lives in Cambodia can be a great experience.

I'm already in Phnom Penh since yesterday and meeting with the group is
still on on Tuesday evening anyway.

Thanks and hope to see many joining if possible.

Fred

[Don Robertson]

Frederic Muller wrote:

> The way I look at it, it's a way to attend an
> internationally attended Open Source conference with experts on many
> topics and definitely not far away from Phnom Penh.
>
> Even if it's Gnome oriented anything Open Source and linked to the
> region is of importance. A good way to build relationships with big
> projects and Open Source lovers who live nearby.
>

Yeah - I use KDE, but if I were in PP I would still be thinking of going
- if only to be in a room with loads of other people whose eyes do not
glaze over at the mention of Open Source Software. And make a change
from "which is better - Windows or Mac" :-)

I should have mentioned the driver when the subject first came up. Might
have been able to get a few more locals interested. Maybe a side trip
somewhere. Just did not occur to me.

Don

[Jean-Philippe 'Tropical Ice Cube' Monteiro]

Hi Mario,

We are so out-of-deadline that I'd rather check with you before spending money to buy tickets &
Visa:

Are we still invited? 3 people: bus, meal+sleep.

Since it seems you are very open-minded, I could have a short talk on "channels to access
opensource software" committing people to share their bandwidth, advertise their latest
acquisitions and such.

If everything is 'still' fine with you, I'll get the forms by tomorrow.

Cheers

Jean-Philippe

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[Jean-Philippe Monteiro]

Hi There.

All is OK, we are coming :) - got our bus tickets this morning.


I confirm the rooms: 4 nights, 3 people from Thursday night to Monday morning.


Cheers

Jean-Philippe, Viirak, 12rithy.

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[Jean-Philippe 'Tropical Ice Cube' Monteiro]

Hi There.

All is OK, we are coming :) - got our bus tickets this morning.

I confirm the rooms: 4 nights, 3 people from Thursday night to Monday
morning.

Cheers

Jean-Philippe, Viirak, 12rithy.

[12rithy]

I mean I don't need passport. Bus company said I have not ID card so I must be pay $20 for PP to HCM and $12 for bus ticket.

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[Chantra Be]

Hi Phillipe,

Sorry, didn't reply you. There was a bad internet connection at AsiaSource3 Camp for the whole week (speed 512kbs used by 150 participants), but the event activities was great for FOSS community.

Will flight back to Cambodia today at 2:20 pm.

I don't think I could attend Gnomesummit in Saigon. There are a lot of work to do at my new work place (now I'm an Editor in Chief of Computer Magazine). The event date is the rush date to finish all content to be printed.

Now, I have to go to airport.

See you then.

Thanks,
Chantra

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