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Frederic Muller
Sep 3, 2019, 1:31:30 AM9/3/19
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Hi!
The group has been very quiet and I have to say that I miss meeting up
with like-minded people a bit.
Anyway still doing things with Free Software and currently thinking of
building a NAS using FreeNAS (https://www.freenas.org/) . From what I've
read so far the box should be a lot more versatile and "powerful" than a
Synology or QNAP for the same price.
Dropped at my "IT local store" this morning to ask for a casing+power
adapter pricing and was already at $220 for a case not that small or
convenient.
Did anyone of you try to assemble their own NAS in Phnom Penh, where did
you buy the parts and what config/budget are we looking at?
Thank you very much!
Fred
The group has been very quiet and I have to say that I miss meeting up
with like-minded people a bit.
Anyway still doing things with Free Software and currently thinking of
building a NAS using FreeNAS (https://www.freenas.org/) . From what I've
read so far the box should be a lot more versatile and "powerful" than a
Synology or QNAP for the same price.
Dropped at my "IT local store" this morning to ask for a casing+power
adapter pricing and was already at $220 for a case not that small or
convenient.
Did anyone of you try to assemble their own NAS in Phnom Penh, where did
you buy the parts and what config/budget are we looking at?
Thank you very much!
Fred
Rithy Thul
Sep 3, 2019, 3:11:09 AM9/3/19
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My friend did work with two NAS last March, but I don't have much knowledge of the cost, but remember it was expensive.
I think DIY on this is very interesting.
Also, I think we should regroup soon. We have an office that can host up to 25 people near National Museum.
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Frederic Muller
Sep 3, 2019, 4:27:34 AM9/3/19
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Oh yes, National Museum is really central!
So back to NASes it is somewhat expensive but keep in mind that adding
4x 4TB or 8TB HDD is going to be expensive (1x4TB ~ $130, 1x8TB ~$300)
So now looking at the "empty" box meaning casing + power supply + MB +
CPU + RAM it usually should cost around $300. Now CPU/RAM additinal
AES-NI encryption support and maybe SSD cache can definitely bring the
cost up.
I have a cheap Synology with 1GB or RAM which I'm using for backups
mainly and a few applications but as it's a non Intel CPU and not a lot
of ram I cannot do VM, even docker is an issue (and probably not supported).
Actually the topic is very interesting as depending on what you do with
your NAS you should (for instance) avoid doing backups and running 24/7
surveillance on the same box as surveillance with continuously write on
the disks and kill them a lot faster.
I checked the entry price for FreeNAS boxes and the cheapest one with: -
Intel dual core C3333 (couldn't find it anywhere else)
- 8GB RAM
- AES-NI
- 4 hot swappable bay (not sure I need hot swap for example)
- 2 cache slots I believe (description is not so clear)
- Single RJ-45 Gb port
- An apparently nice casing ;-)
Price : $750.
At this price you have a nice Synology with Intel CPU and dual Gb port.
Probably not the same specifications though, this is something I really
need to dig into. The software also is different and has some
limitations that FreeNAS will not have.
- CPU Intel Celeron J3455
- 8GB
- AES-NI
- Hardware transcoding engine 4K max res.
- 4 hot swappable bays
- 2 NVMe slots for cache
- 2 RJ-45 Gb ports
Price: ~ $617
Power consumption should also be lower than the 1st box.
All those pricing are from the US. So adding shipping and taxes...
And finally there is a comparison here between the same Synology model
(DS918+) and a DIY one:
https://nascompares.com/2018/05/27/synology-ds918-versus-custom-freenas-build/
So I am at this stage :-) and would be happy to hear what your friend
did. And yes the whole box with the 4+HDD will cost a minimum of U$700 I
believe (and that is probably the bottom pricing - all depends on
RAM/HDD and more).
Thank you for sharing the interest !
Fred
On 9/3/19 2:10 PM, Rithy Thul wrote:
> My friend did work with two NAS last March, but I don't have much
> knowledge of the cost, but remember it was expensive.
>
> I think DIY on this is very interesting.
>
> Also, I think we should regroup soon. We have an office that can host up
> to 25 people near National Museum.
>
> Rithy Thul
> Co-founder//Promoter
> SmallWorld <http://smallworldcambodia.com/>// KOOMPI <https://koompi.com>
> rithythul.com <http://www.rithythul.com/>//telegram.me
> <http://www.telegram.me/rithythul>
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So back to NASes it is somewhat expensive but keep in mind that adding
4x 4TB or 8TB HDD is going to be expensive (1x4TB ~ $130, 1x8TB ~$300)
So now looking at the "empty" box meaning casing + power supply + MB +
CPU + RAM it usually should cost around $300. Now CPU/RAM additinal
AES-NI encryption support and maybe SSD cache can definitely bring the
cost up.
I have a cheap Synology with 1GB or RAM which I'm using for backups
mainly and a few applications but as it's a non Intel CPU and not a lot
of ram I cannot do VM, even docker is an issue (and probably not supported).
Actually the topic is very interesting as depending on what you do with
your NAS you should (for instance) avoid doing backups and running 24/7
surveillance on the same box as surveillance with continuously write on
the disks and kill them a lot faster.
I checked the entry price for FreeNAS boxes and the cheapest one with: -
Intel dual core C3333 (couldn't find it anywhere else)
- 8GB RAM
- AES-NI
- 4 hot swappable bay (not sure I need hot swap for example)
- 2 cache slots I believe (description is not so clear)
- Single RJ-45 Gb port
- An apparently nice casing ;-)
Price : $750.
At this price you have a nice Synology with Intel CPU and dual Gb port.
Probably not the same specifications though, this is something I really
need to dig into. The software also is different and has some
limitations that FreeNAS will not have.
- CPU Intel Celeron J3455
- 8GB
- AES-NI
- Hardware transcoding engine 4K max res.
- 4 hot swappable bays
- 2 NVMe slots for cache
- 2 RJ-45 Gb ports
Price: ~ $617
Power consumption should also be lower than the 1st box.
All those pricing are from the US. So adding shipping and taxes...
And finally there is a comparison here between the same Synology model
(DS918+) and a DIY one:
https://nascompares.com/2018/05/27/synology-ds918-versus-custom-freenas-build/
So I am at this stage :-) and would be happy to hear what your friend
did. And yes the whole box with the 4+HDD will cost a minimum of U$700 I
believe (and that is probably the bottom pricing - all depends on
RAM/HDD and more).
Thank you for sharing the interest !
Fred
On 9/3/19 2:10 PM, Rithy Thul wrote:
> My friend did work with two NAS last March, but I don't have much
> knowledge of the cost, but remember it was expensive.
>
> I think DIY on this is very interesting.
>
> Also, I think we should regroup soon. We have an office that can host up
> to 25 people near National Museum.
>
> Rithy Thul
> Co-founder//Promoter
> rithythul.com <http://www.rithythul.com/>//telegram.me
> <http://www.telegram.me/rithythul>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 12:31 PM Frederic Muller <fr...@beijinglug.org
> <mailto:fr...@beijinglug.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> The group has been very quiet and I have to say that I miss meeting up
> with like-minded people a bit.
>
> Anyway still doing things with Free Software and currently thinking of
> building a NAS using FreeNAS (https://www.freenas.org/) . From what I've
> read so far the box should be a lot more versatile and "powerful" than a
> Synology or QNAP for the same price.
>
> Dropped at my "IT local store" this morning to ask for a casing+power
> adapter pricing and was already at $220 for a case not that small or
> convenient.
>
> Did anyone of you try to assemble their own NAS in Phnom Penh, where did
> you buy the parts and what config/budget are we looking at?
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Fred
>
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>
> Hi!
>
> The group has been very quiet and I have to say that I miss meeting up
> with like-minded people a bit.
>
> Anyway still doing things with Free Software and currently thinking of
> building a NAS using FreeNAS (https://www.freenas.org/) . From what I've
> read so far the box should be a lot more versatile and "powerful" than a
> Synology or QNAP for the same price.
>
> Dropped at my "IT local store" this morning to ask for a casing+power
> adapter pricing and was already at $220 for a case not that small or
> convenient.
>
> Did anyone of you try to assemble their own NAS in Phnom Penh, where did
> you buy the parts and what config/budget are we looking at?
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Fred
>
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Brad Collins
Sep 3, 2019, 8:01:20 AM9/3/19
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I was looking at the Helios4 https://kobol.io/helios4/ which is a full blown 4 disk NAS for US190 (not including disks). Uses a custom single board computer and looks really cool.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pplug/CAC8KkjLLJwTMo9ti9ds4hZ5%2B4dY3jS6s5O6XXxMw7FdYJVJSbQ%40mail.gmail.com.
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Frederic Muller
Sep 3, 2019, 10:03:34 AM9/3/19
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That's nice!
Since our discussion started I luckily found
https://www.serverbuilds.net/ which is at its 4th build of a NAS killer.
It's a full DIY project aimed to give guidelines/objectives and then
come up with a range of specifications & items to put together. They
have sample builds and you can buy (and built) everything by yourself.
They also have some "prebuilt" models based off standard PCs which you
upgrade.
You can find the whole discussion page here:
https://forums.serverbuilds.net/t/nas-killer-4-0-build-guide-fast-quiet-power-efficient-and-flexible-starting-at-125/667
and the sample builds here:
https://forums.serverbuilds.net/t/nas-killer-4-0-build-guide-fast-quiet-power-efficient-and-flexible-starting-at-125/667/13
They suggest plenty of options based on your needs. The suggested sample
builds pricing goes from $125 to $610 and they organize meetups and
discussions on their forum to make it happen.
One thing they state is that you would want 8GB RAM minimum.
Definitely worth a read!
Fred
On 9/3/19 7:00 PM, Brad Collins wrote:
> I was looking at the Helios4 https://kobol.io/helios4/ which is a
> full blown 4 disk NAS for US190 (not including disks). Uses a custom
> single board computer and looks really cool.
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 2:11 PM Rithy Thul <iproca...@gmail.com
> <mailto:iproca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> My friend did work with two NAS last March, but I don't have much
> knowledge of the cost, but remember it was expensive.
>
> I think DIY on this is very interesting.
>
> Also, I think we should regroup soon. We have an office that can
> host up to 25 people near National Museum.
>
> Rithy Thul
> Co-founder//Promoter
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pplug/CAC8KkjLLJwTMo9ti9ds4hZ5%2B4dY3jS6s5O6XXxMw7FdYJVJSbQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>.
>
>
>
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Since our discussion started I luckily found
https://www.serverbuilds.net/ which is at its 4th build of a NAS killer.
It's a full DIY project aimed to give guidelines/objectives and then
come up with a range of specifications & items to put together. They
have sample builds and you can buy (and built) everything by yourself.
They also have some "prebuilt" models based off standard PCs which you
upgrade.
You can find the whole discussion page here:
https://forums.serverbuilds.net/t/nas-killer-4-0-build-guide-fast-quiet-power-efficient-and-flexible-starting-at-125/667
and the sample builds here:
https://forums.serverbuilds.net/t/nas-killer-4-0-build-guide-fast-quiet-power-efficient-and-flexible-starting-at-125/667/13
They suggest plenty of options based on your needs. The suggested sample
builds pricing goes from $125 to $610 and they organize meetups and
discussions on their forum to make it happen.
One thing they state is that you would want 8GB RAM minimum.
Definitely worth a read!
Fred
On 9/3/19 7:00 PM, Brad Collins wrote:
> I was looking at the Helios4 https://kobol.io/helios4/ which is a
> full blown 4 disk NAS for US190 (not including disks). Uses a custom
> single board computer and looks really cool.
>
> On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 2:11 PM Rithy Thul <iproca...@gmail.com
> <mailto:iproca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> My friend did work with two NAS last March, but I don't have much
> knowledge of the cost, but remember it was expensive.
>
> I think DIY on this is very interesting.
>
> Also, I think we should regroup soon. We have an office that can
> host up to 25 people near National Museum.
>
> Rithy Thul
> Co-founder//Promoter
> SmallWorld <http://smallworldcambodia.com/>// KOOMPI
> <https://koompi.com>
> rithythul.com <http://www.rithythul.com/>//telegram.me
> <http://www.telegram.me/rithythul>
>
>
> <https://koompi.com>
> rithythul.com <http://www.rithythul.com/>//telegram.me
> <http://www.telegram.me/rithythul>
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