seeking help / advice on reentry question

[Roger Arnold]

I have a specific question regarding reentry into the atmosphere for a shuttle type vehicle on a suborbital trajectory. The apex of its trajectory would be at the altitude of low earth orbit between 300 and 400 km, and its horizontal velocity would be ~3.2 km/s short of full orbital velocity, or about 4.6 km/s.  The question is how much of a difference would the lower reentry velocity make in terms of the thermal protection system requirements for a reusable vehicle? 

When I asked the question of an AI, just to see what it would say, it gave me an answer that amounted to "A lot! The lower reentry velocity means that the kinetic energy that needs to be dissipated is only 35% of what it would be for a reentry from full orbital velocity." While the statement about the kinetic energy is obviously true, even I, never having worked on reentry system, know that the kinetic energy needing to be dissipated has only a tenuous and non-linear bearing on the parasitic mass of the TPS. There's even an argument that the lower velocity at the 300 - 400 km apex of a suborbital trajectory makes reentry more challenging rather than less. That's because the re entering vehicle will fall through the thin upper layers of the atmosphere quickly and hit the denser lower levels faster and harder than if it were able to spend dissipating energy in the uppermost layers of the atmosphere, and settling slowly into denser layers as it lost speed. 

I suppose I could program a model and see how it comes out in simulation, but I'm sure there are folks out there who have already worked through the issues and could give an authoritative answer. One could think of the question as relating to the feasibility of high priority point-to-point cargo delivery with a reusable Falcon 9 upper stage modified for sub-orbital flight. That's not where I'm actually coming from, but it captures the essence and is easier to explain.

Does anybody who actually knows something about the topic care to weigh in? Thanks.

Roger Arnold

[Robins Mdoka]

Hi Roger,

Great question, and you're right to be skeptical of the "35% kinetic energy = 35% TPS problem" answer. We're actually building the vehicle you're describing — not the reusable Falcon 9 upper stage analogy, but the underlying physics problem is identical — so I can speak to this from active development work rather than textbook analysis.

I'm Robins Mdoka, founder of Constanellis Aerospace. We're developing an integrated cislunar logistics architecture that includes our HERMES (an orbital maneuvering vehicle / space tug), ATLAS-C (a lunar surface lander), and AERO-X — a hypersonic return capsule designed to bring lunar samples and high-value flight data back to Earth from cislunar space. AERO-X's reentry profile falls squarely in the regime you're asking about: suborbital-class velocities, steep entry angles, and TPS design challenges that are genuinely different from — and in some respects harder than — orbital return.

So let me answer your question directly from the engineering.

Why TPS Doesn't Scale with Kinetic Energy

You already identified the core issue: TPS parasitic mass is not a linear function of kinetic energy. It's driven by two largely independent parameters that often work against each other:

1. Peak heat flux (W/cm²) — selects the TPS material. You need a material whose surface temperature capability exceeds the radiative equilibrium temperature at peak heating. The Fay-Riddell correlation and the simplified Sutton-Graves approximation both show stagnation-point convective heat flux scales roughly as ρ^0.5 × V^3. Radiative heating goes as approximately V^8, but that's negligible below about 9 km/s for Earth entry, so we can set it aside for your scenario.
2. Total heat load (J/cm²) — selects the TPS thickness and therefore its mass. This is the time-integral of heat flux over the full entry trajectory. Trajectory shape — not just entry velocity — is the dominant variable here.

The AI you asked gave you a correct statement about kinetic energy and then committed the classic error of assuming that maps directly to TPS mass. It doesn't, and here's the specific mechanism you correctly intuited.

The "Punching Through" Problem — You're Right

Your scenario: 300-400 km apex, ~4.6 km/s horizontal velocity, essentially zero radial velocity at apogee. By the time this vehicle reaches the atmospheric interface at ~120 km, it's picked up significant downward velocity from gravitational free-fall through 200+ km of altitude. The resulting flight path angle at entry interface is steep — on the order of γ ≈ -3° to -5°, depending on exact trajectory geometry.

Compare that to an orbital vehicle deorbiting from the same altitude band. A Shuttle or Soyuz targets γ ≈ -1.2° to -1.5°. Your suborbital entry is 2-4x steeper.

Here's what that does:

An orbital vehicle at 7.8 km/s has centrifugal acceleration partially opposing gravity — at circular velocity, that's essentially 1g of outward apparent force. The vehicle "rides" the upper atmosphere, decelerating gradually through thin air above 70 km. It spends considerable time in the 80-60 km altitude band where density is low enough to keep instantaneous heat flux manageable, yet high enough to produce meaningful drag. For a reusable TPS, this is the regime where radiative cooling does most of the work — the surface reaches equilibrium temperature and re-radiates most of the convective input back to space. This is the entire basis of the Shuttle's TPS strategy: high angle of attack, shallow entry, long time at high altitude.

Your suborbital vehicle at 4.6 km/s has only about 35% of that centrifugal relief — (4.6/7.8)² ≈ 0.35. It falls through the thin upper atmosphere without meaningful deceleration, reaches the dense lower atmosphere (below 50 km) while still carrying a high fraction of its entry velocity, and hits the aerodynamic "wall" abruptly.

Quantifying the Effect

Peak heat flux for a ballistic entry scales approximately as (β × V_entry³ × sin|γ|)^0.5, where β is ballistic coefficient. Let's compare:

• Orbital: 7.8 km/s, γ = -1.3° → V³ × sin|γ| ∝ 474 × 0.023 ≈ 10.7
• Your suborbital: 4.6 km/s, γ = -4° → V³ × sin|γ| ∝ 97.3 × 0.070 ≈ 6.8

Peak stagnation-point heat flux drops by roughly 35-40%. Significant, but far less than the 65% reduction the kinetic energy ratio would suggest. The steeper flight path angle is eating a large portion of the velocity benefit.

Where It Gets Interesting for Reusable Systems

And here's where your instinct about the problem being potentially harder has real teeth, specifically for reusable TPS:

Ablative TPS: Your suborbital case needs a similar material grade (you're still above 100 W/cm² at the stagnation point for any reasonable ballistic coefficient), but can get away with meaningfully thinner ablator — perhaps 40-50% reduction in thickness. The lower total heat load directly translates to less recession and less soak-through. Real mass savings here.

Reusable TPS (tiles, metallic TPS, CMC panels): This is where the suborbital trajectory can actually be worse. Reusable TPS works by reaching radiative equilibrium — the surface temperature rises until outgoing radiation matches incoming convective flux, and most energy is rejected without conducting into the structure. This equilibrium process needs time at moderate flux levels to establish itself.

Your steep suborbital trajectory doesn't give the TPS that time. The vehicle descends too quickly through the benign upper atmosphere for the surface to reach equilibrium. By the time radiative cooling is doing useful work, the vehicle is already in dense air where the flux is higher and the transient thermal pulse is sharper. More heat soaks through per unit area, demanding either thicker insulation backing, active cooling, or a different TPS concept. For a reusable system, TPS mass savings over orbital may be only 15-25% — not the 65% that total energy would predict.

Structural mass: Your steep entry also drives peak deceleration to 8-12g, compared to 4-5g for a lifting orbital entry. That's a structural mass driver that can partially or fully offset TPS savings at the vehicle level.

What We're Doing with AERO-X

Without getting into proprietary design details, I'll say that the AERO-X program is addressing exactly this trade space. Our return capsule reenters from cislunar trajectory — which is actually a harder problem than your suborbital case because the entry velocity is higher (~11 km/s from lunar return vs. your 4.6 km/s), but the trajectory design considerations are analogous.

We've chosen an ablative approach for the initial configuration, leveraging additive manufacturing for the primary structure and thermal protection integration. The dual-revenue model — returning physical lunar samples and monetizing the hypersonic flight data package (aerothermodynamics, materials performance, GNC validation) — is core to the AERO-X business case. Every reentry is both a delivery and a flight test that generates data directly relevant to DoD hypersonic programs.

We're following qualification methodologies modeled on NAVAIR's work with additively manufactured flight-critical Ti-6Al-4V components (the V-22 Osprey precedent) and addressing the AM-specific challenges NASA has identified: process-structure-properties relationships, in-process monitoring, and NDE qualification for complex internal geometries.

Direct Answer to Your Question

For your specific scenario — suborbital, 300-400 km apex, 4.6 km/s, reusable vehicle:

• Peak heat flux reduction vs. orbital: ~35-45% (not 65%)
• Total heat load reduction vs. orbital: ~55-65% (this is where the energy argument has validity)
• Peak g-load: significantly higher than orbital (8-12g vs. 4-5g), adding structural mass
• TPS mass savings for ablative system: ~40-50% (meaningful)
• TPS mass savings for reusable system: ~15-30% (modest, because trajectory undermines radiative equilibrium strategy)
• Net vehicle-level parasitic mass savings: much smaller than kinetic energy ratio suggests, potentially negligible for reusable systems after accounting for structural reinforcement

The right way to get real numbers is a 3-DOF entry simulation (POST, OTIS, or a well-built MATLAB model with exponential atmosphere) coupled to a TPS sizing tool using Fay-Riddell at the stagnation point and Tauber-Sutton relations for the full body. Chapman's approximate analytical method from NACA TN 4276 will get you surprisingly close for initial sizing if you want to avoid the full simulation.

Happy to discuss further. This is the exact problem space we're working in every day.

— Robins Mdoka Founder & CEO, Constanellis Aerospace

rob...@constanellis.com | https://www.linkedin.com/in/robinsmdoka/

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