[polyphasic] PPS, Memory, and Statistics
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pingu
May 3, 2010, 1:28:07 AM5/3/10
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Hey everyone,
So recently I have been quite interested in trying out some polyphasic
sleep, and reading quite a bit of information.
The one thing holding me back is how PPS may affect learning and/or
memory. This is a big deal for me, because I'm currently living in
Japan, and language learning is a large part of my day.
I think a lot of people have read the article saying that PPS is
essentially impossible:
http://www.supermemo.com/articles/polyphasic.htm
Or at least have read some people say that his arguments are, in plain
terms, complete bull
Now, I understand that something like Uber/Everyman is something that
can definitely become acclimated to. I don't think he's necessarily
saying it's not -- it seems like he's got the mistaken idea that doing
this leaves you forever stuck in the adaptation phase.
However, I do see what he's saying about cutting sleep short = memory
detriment.
This Dr. Wozniak is the guy who invented SuperMemo, the older brother
of Anki -- a flashcard program that is designed to keep things in your
long term memory, and keeps track of your progress as you go (http://
www.ichi2.net/anki/). It keeps track of easy and hard cards, and
estimates the best time to show you a card, in order to help you never
forget it. This is called a Spaced Repetition System, or SRS.
I use Anki every day in my Japanese studies. I've got data on how well
I'm learning/retaining new words/grammar/etc.
Which brings me down to the idea of seeing whether or not, and to what
degree, PPS affects memory!
I know that aeia (?) on Youtube said that she has learn(ing?) multiple
languages while being using PPS. This was quite encouraging, but I
would love to see some stats.
I was thinking that we could use a few people to use the SRS and see
what the differences are:
1. Someone who is already acclimated to PPS
2. Someone who is just starting (will start) to PPS, and continue
using the SRS until become acclimated
3. Someone monophasic
Essentially, this could all be one person going through the phases:
1. Being monophasic (what are their stats before they began?)
2. During the adaptation phase (do their stats get lower? I'd presume
so)
3. Once completely adapted (do their stats get higher? I think so.
Lower than when they were monophasic? ---this what I'm interested in)
The main kicker here is that the person would ideally be learning new
words and adding them to the SRS at a more or less constant rate. Just
having words that you already know by heart probably isn't going to
make a difference, it's the words that are learned during adaptation
and once acclimated that I am most interested in.
This isn't really scientific, but it gives me a general statistical
idea of whether or not language studies would be hindered.
I am most interested in the difference between the monophasic and
fully adapted polyphasic states, as the adaptation phase is completely
temporary.
If anyone has any information about things like this that have already
happened, I would like to know about it.
Otherwise, is there anyone here who would be willing to participate in
something like this?
Reviewing cards in Anki only takes about 10 minutes per day -- the
more time consuming part is in learning the things in the first place,
which is why this would be best with someone already learning a
language or willing to learn random facts every day.
Again, it's not scientific enough to convince someone like Dr.
Wozniak, but I do think it would give a bit more credibility to PPS as
opposed to someone's blog saying "My memory is great!"
Thank you, and sorry for the long post...
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So recently I have been quite interested in trying out some polyphasic
sleep, and reading quite a bit of information.
The one thing holding me back is how PPS may affect learning and/or
memory. This is a big deal for me, because I'm currently living in
Japan, and language learning is a large part of my day.
I think a lot of people have read the article saying that PPS is
essentially impossible:
http://www.supermemo.com/articles/polyphasic.htm
Or at least have read some people say that his arguments are, in plain
terms, complete bull
Now, I understand that something like Uber/Everyman is something that
can definitely become acclimated to. I don't think he's necessarily
saying it's not -- it seems like he's got the mistaken idea that doing
this leaves you forever stuck in the adaptation phase.
However, I do see what he's saying about cutting sleep short = memory
detriment.
This Dr. Wozniak is the guy who invented SuperMemo, the older brother
of Anki -- a flashcard program that is designed to keep things in your
long term memory, and keeps track of your progress as you go (http://
www.ichi2.net/anki/). It keeps track of easy and hard cards, and
estimates the best time to show you a card, in order to help you never
forget it. This is called a Spaced Repetition System, or SRS.
I use Anki every day in my Japanese studies. I've got data on how well
I'm learning/retaining new words/grammar/etc.
Which brings me down to the idea of seeing whether or not, and to what
degree, PPS affects memory!
I know that aeia (?) on Youtube said that she has learn(ing?) multiple
languages while being using PPS. This was quite encouraging, but I
would love to see some stats.
I was thinking that we could use a few people to use the SRS and see
what the differences are:
1. Someone who is already acclimated to PPS
2. Someone who is just starting (will start) to PPS, and continue
using the SRS until become acclimated
3. Someone monophasic
Essentially, this could all be one person going through the phases:
1. Being monophasic (what are their stats before they began?)
2. During the adaptation phase (do their stats get lower? I'd presume
so)
3. Once completely adapted (do their stats get higher? I think so.
Lower than when they were monophasic? ---this what I'm interested in)
The main kicker here is that the person would ideally be learning new
words and adding them to the SRS at a more or less constant rate. Just
having words that you already know by heart probably isn't going to
make a difference, it's the words that are learned during adaptation
and once acclimated that I am most interested in.
This isn't really scientific, but it gives me a general statistical
idea of whether or not language studies would be hindered.
I am most interested in the difference between the monophasic and
fully adapted polyphasic states, as the adaptation phase is completely
temporary.
If anyone has any information about things like this that have already
happened, I would like to know about it.
Otherwise, is there anyone here who would be willing to participate in
something like this?
Reviewing cards in Anki only takes about 10 minutes per day -- the
more time consuming part is in learning the things in the first place,
which is why this would be best with someone already learning a
language or willing to learn random facts every day.
Again, it's not scientific enough to convince someone like Dr.
Wozniak, but I do think it would give a bit more credibility to PPS as
opposed to someone's blog saying "My memory is great!"
Thank you, and sorry for the long post...
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zade
May 4, 2010, 12:03:18 PM5/4/10
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It is a very interesting idea.
muflax has already came up with that idea on her blog
http://muflax.com/2009/10/15/eating-my-own-shit/
That post was discussed on this forum
http://groups.google.com/group/polyphasic/browse_thread/thread/25f9197236bb693c
http://groups.google.com/group/polyphasic/browse_thread/thread/dc76c94c5a81dbc2
On May 3, 12:28 am, pingu <pin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> So recently I have been quite interested in trying out some polyphasic
> sleep, and reading quite a bit of information.
>
> The one thing holding me back is how PPS may affect learning and/or
> memory. This is a big deal for me, because I'm currently living in
> Japan, and language learning is a large part of my day.
>
> I think a lot of people have read the article saying that PPS is
> essentially impossible:http://www.supermemo.com/articles/polyphasic.htm
> Or at least have read some people say that his arguments are, in plain
> terms, complete bull
>
> Now, I understand that something like Uber/Everyman is something that
> can definitely become acclimated to. I don't think he's necessarily
> saying it's not -- it seems like he's got the mistaken idea that doing
> this leaves you forever stuck in the adaptation phase.
> However, I do see what he's saying about cutting sleep short = memory
> detriment.
>
> This Dr. Wozniak is the guy who invented SuperMemo, the older brother
> of Anki -- a flashcard program that is designed to keep things in your
> long term memory, and keeps track of your progress as you go (http://www.ichi2.net/anki/). It keeps track of easy and hard cards, and
muflax has already came up with that idea on her blog
http://muflax.com/2009/10/15/eating-my-own-shit/
That post was discussed on this forum
http://groups.google.com/group/polyphasic/browse_thread/thread/25f9197236bb693c
http://groups.google.com/group/polyphasic/browse_thread/thread/dc76c94c5a81dbc2
On May 3, 12:28 am, pingu <pin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> So recently I have been quite interested in trying out some polyphasic
> sleep, and reading quite a bit of information.
>
> The one thing holding me back is how PPS may affect learning and/or
> memory. This is a big deal for me, because I'm currently living in
> Japan, and language learning is a large part of my day.
>
> I think a lot of people have read the article saying that PPS is
> essentially impossible:http://www.supermemo.com/articles/polyphasic.htm
> Or at least have read some people say that his arguments are, in plain
> terms, complete bull
>
> Now, I understand that something like Uber/Everyman is something that
> can definitely become acclimated to. I don't think he's necessarily
> saying it's not -- it seems like he's got the mistaken idea that doing
> this leaves you forever stuck in the adaptation phase.
> However, I do see what he's saying about cutting sleep short = memory
> detriment.
>
> This Dr. Wozniak is the guy who invented SuperMemo, the older brother
> of Anki -- a flashcard program that is designed to keep things in your
Bryan
May 4, 2010, 5:27:12 PM5/4/10
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I don't think it would matter much with the extra study time you would
garner, after the initial sleep deprivation. I'd just go AJATT +
Polyphasic and screw the mental wanking. Once you're done post your
Anki statistics, but understand that different cards vary in
difficulty so it's going to be really subjective. If you're still
memorizing the Kanji ala Heisig then using those statistics might be a
little more accurate. Practically though, if you're worried about
anything just use a little bit of the 6 extra hours to study more.
> muflax has already came up with that idea on her bloghttp://muflax.com/2009/10/15/eating-my-own-shit/
>
> That post was discussed on this forumhttp://groups.google.com/group/polyphasic/browse_thread/thread/25f919...http://groups.google.com/group/polyphasic/browse_thread/thread/dc76c9...
garner, after the initial sleep deprivation. I'd just go AJATT +
Polyphasic and screw the mental wanking. Once you're done post your
Anki statistics, but understand that different cards vary in
difficulty so it's going to be really subjective. If you're still
memorizing the Kanji ala Heisig then using those statistics might be a
little more accurate. Practically though, if you're worried about
anything just use a little bit of the 6 extra hours to study more.
> muflax has already came up with that idea on her bloghttp://muflax.com/2009/10/15/eating-my-own-shit/
>
> That post was discussed on this forumhttp://groups.google.com/group/polyphasic/browse_thread/thread/25f919...http://groups.google.com/group/polyphasic/browse_thread/thread/dc76c9...
pingu
May 4, 2010, 6:02:30 PM5/4/10
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I'm way past Heisig. AJATT is interesting, but it's hardly a "method"
for learning. Dude gets too much credit for what people think he's
doing. But that's a separate discussion.
>Once you're done post your
>Anki statistics, but understand that different cards vary in
>difficulty so it's going to be really subjective.
It does not matter if "cards vary in difficulty." That's why basically
the main thing that would really matter would be the overall
percentage for mature cards. If you have a large enough deck, having
some "hard cards" is going to be irrelevant.
It would be "objective" in the scope of that one person. Just because
person A, a monophasic sleeper, has constant 98% retention rate,
whereas person B, the polyphasic sleeper, has 85% doesn't mean that
monophasic sleeping is better. It basically just means that person A
has a better memory.
However, if person A and B switched schedules and (after becoming
adapted), it was something like person A (now polyphasic) went down
to, say 92%, and person B went up to 90%. Person A still has a better
memory than person B, but the fall in his rates, as the growth in
person B's indicates a relation.
So yes, it is subjective, and you can't just say 'A is smarter because
he's monophasic' without seeing how it changes for that person. Which
is why I think I may just try this myself, but my school schedule may
not allow this :/
>Practically though, if you're worried about
>anything just use a little bit of the 6 extra hours to study more.
It had nothing to do with how much/often you study. Especially not for
long-term memory. The brain is doing its little workings-around,
fitting things together and figuring things out while you sleep.
"Studying more" isn't going to help your brain perform functions that
it should be doing when it's asleep.
The idea of polyphasic sleeping is that it's still getting the same
amount of time to do this, but just spread over different times. But
does cutting and separating the sections like this really affect it?
That's what I want to find out.
Not only that, with what I'm dealing with, spending more time studying
things that I (should) already know is inefficient! That's the whole
point of SRS! I should be learning NEW things, and just "trusting the
machine" when it comes to the SRS. It's up to Anki to help me "forget
about forgetting," as Supermemo says.
But if I spend more time studying things that I already learned, in
order to keep my stats up to normal, then I'm essentially cheating
myself. I should be studying new MORE information. Instead, I'm
putting more effort into things that are meant to be effortless in
order to say that polyphasic sleeping has no effect on memory. The
very act of doing that would mean that yes, there was an effect, and
I'm putting in extra effort just to cover it up.
On May 5, 6:27 am, Bryan <bryanhaydukew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think it would matter much with the extra study time you would
> garner, after the initial sleep deprivation. I'd just go AJATT +
> Polyphasic and screw the mental wanking. Once you're done post your
> Anki statistics, but understand that different cards vary in
> difficulty so it's going to be really subjective. If you're still
> memorizing the Kanji ala Heisig then using those statistics might be a
> little more accurate. Practically though, if you're worried about
> anything just use a little bit of the 6 extra hours to study more.
>
> On May 4, 9:03 am, zade <polyphasic_sl...@live.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > It is a very interesting idea.
> > muflax has already came up with that idea on her bloghttp://muflax.com/2009/10/15/eating-my-own-shit/
>
> > That post was discussed on this forumhttp://groups.google.com/group/polyphasic/browse_thread/thread/25f919......
for learning. Dude gets too much credit for what people think he's
doing. But that's a separate discussion.
>Once you're done post your
>Anki statistics, but understand that different cards vary in
>difficulty so it's going to be really subjective.
the main thing that would really matter would be the overall
percentage for mature cards. If you have a large enough deck, having
some "hard cards" is going to be irrelevant.
It would be "objective" in the scope of that one person. Just because
person A, a monophasic sleeper, has constant 98% retention rate,
whereas person B, the polyphasic sleeper, has 85% doesn't mean that
monophasic sleeping is better. It basically just means that person A
has a better memory.
However, if person A and B switched schedules and (after becoming
adapted), it was something like person A (now polyphasic) went down
to, say 92%, and person B went up to 90%. Person A still has a better
memory than person B, but the fall in his rates, as the growth in
person B's indicates a relation.
So yes, it is subjective, and you can't just say 'A is smarter because
he's monophasic' without seeing how it changes for that person. Which
is why I think I may just try this myself, but my school schedule may
not allow this :/
>Practically though, if you're worried about
>anything just use a little bit of the 6 extra hours to study more.
long-term memory. The brain is doing its little workings-around,
fitting things together and figuring things out while you sleep.
"Studying more" isn't going to help your brain perform functions that
it should be doing when it's asleep.
The idea of polyphasic sleeping is that it's still getting the same
amount of time to do this, but just spread over different times. But
does cutting and separating the sections like this really affect it?
That's what I want to find out.
Not only that, with what I'm dealing with, spending more time studying
things that I (should) already know is inefficient! That's the whole
point of SRS! I should be learning NEW things, and just "trusting the
machine" when it comes to the SRS. It's up to Anki to help me "forget
about forgetting," as Supermemo says.
But if I spend more time studying things that I already learned, in
order to keep my stats up to normal, then I'm essentially cheating
myself. I should be studying new MORE information. Instead, I'm
putting more effort into things that are meant to be effortless in
order to say that polyphasic sleeping has no effect on memory. The
very act of doing that would mean that yes, there was an effect, and
I'm putting in extra effort just to cover it up.
On May 5, 6:27 am, Bryan <bryanhaydukew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think it would matter much with the extra study time you would
> garner, after the initial sleep deprivation. I'd just go AJATT +
> Polyphasic and screw the mental wanking. Once you're done post your
> Anki statistics, but understand that different cards vary in
> difficulty so it's going to be really subjective. If you're still
> memorizing the Kanji ala Heisig then using those statistics might be a
> little more accurate. Practically though, if you're worried about
> anything just use a little bit of the 6 extra hours to study more.
>
> On May 4, 9:03 am, zade <polyphasic_sl...@live.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > It is a very interesting idea.
> > muflax has already came up with that idea on her bloghttp://muflax.com/2009/10/15/eating-my-own-shit/
>
Aya Hu
May 5, 2010, 10:59:26 AM5/5/10
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This is a very good idea, I am interested to see how others are
effected, my own mental abilities remained intact during my adaptation
and currently. I was able to work, learn, etc, it seems to me, just as
easily as before. But because I did not detect any difference, there
may have been at one point. It would have been intriguing to have a
test to continuously document the effects throughout.
On May 2, 10:28 pm, pingu <pin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> So recently I have been quite interested in trying out some polyphasic
> sleep, and reading quite a bit of information.
>
> The one thing holding me back is how PPS may affect learning and/or
> memory. This is a big deal for me, because I'm currently living in
> Japan, and language learning is a large part of my day.
>
> I think a lot of people have read the article saying that PPS is
> essentially impossible:http://www.supermemo.com/articles/polyphasic.htm
> Or at least have read some people say that his arguments are, in plain
> terms, complete bull
>
> Now, I understand that something like Uber/Everyman is something that
> can definitely become acclimated to. I don't think he's necessarily
> saying it's not -- it seems like he's got the mistaken idea that doing
> this leaves you forever stuck in the adaptation phase.
> However, I do see what he's saying about cutting sleep short = memory
> detriment.
>
> This Dr. Wozniak is the guy who invented SuperMemo, the older brother
> of Anki -- a flashcard program that is designed to keep things in your
> long term memory, and keeps track of your progress as you go (http://www.ichi2.net/anki/). It keeps track of easy and hard cards, and
effected, my own mental abilities remained intact during my adaptation
and currently. I was able to work, learn, etc, it seems to me, just as
easily as before. But because I did not detect any difference, there
may have been at one point. It would have been intriguing to have a
test to continuously document the effects throughout.
On May 2, 10:28 pm, pingu <pin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> So recently I have been quite interested in trying out some polyphasic
> sleep, and reading quite a bit of information.
>
> The one thing holding me back is how PPS may affect learning and/or
> memory. This is a big deal for me, because I'm currently living in
> Japan, and language learning is a large part of my day.
>
> I think a lot of people have read the article saying that PPS is
> essentially impossible:http://www.supermemo.com/articles/polyphasic.htm
> Or at least have read some people say that his arguments are, in plain
> terms, complete bull
>
> Now, I understand that something like Uber/Everyman is something that
> can definitely become acclimated to. I don't think he's necessarily
> saying it's not -- it seems like he's got the mistaken idea that doing
> this leaves you forever stuck in the adaptation phase.
> However, I do see what he's saying about cutting sleep short = memory
> detriment.
>
> This Dr. Wozniak is the guy who invented SuperMemo, the older brother
> of Anki -- a flashcard program that is designed to keep things in your
Paul Stewart
May 5, 2010, 11:22:10 AM5/5/10
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Hi all,
In terms of adapting and ongoing, has anyone noticed a sharp increase in their level of depression at any time on PPS?
Thanks
Paul
In terms of adapting and ongoing, has anyone noticed a sharp increase in their level of depression at any time on PPS?
Thanks
Paul
Daniel Smith
May 5, 2010, 11:33:21 AM5/5/10
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Aya Hu
May 5, 2010, 11:40:20 AM5/5/10
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Was the opposite for me, I became deliriously happy during part of my
adaptation and then down to 'normal' again. I did notice being
extremely tempermental near naptime, usually just upon waking.
adaptation and then down to 'normal' again. I did notice being
extremely tempermental near naptime, usually just upon waking.
Daniel Smith
May 5, 2010, 12:00:11 PM5/5/10
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That happens to me sometimes, also, usually after my 17:30 nap.
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Aya Hu <ayaspo...@gmail.com> wrote:
I did notice being
extremely tempermental near naptime, usually just upon waking.
pingu
May 5, 2010, 12:15:36 PM5/5/10
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Well, I actually found a schedule that I can probably fit in my school
schedule. It includes sleeping in between classes on 1 day of the
week, so I might (will) get cut short, but only a little bit.
I decided that I'll carry this out, since I reread the post and
realized that the perfect "test subject" is myself. Also, the other
guy doing the cognitive tests (i didn't read the whole post): I'm
super excited about this too! It's not phd dissertation or anything,
but it's all in the name of science!
I'll admit straight away though: my normal retention isn't very
wonderful either. While some people would say 80% is a minimum, that's
basically a low average for me... :/
I'm keeping a nap/sleep diary, with manual Anki statistics in the
back, so I can keep track of everything. I'll probably post some
statistics next week or something, when I should probably be in the
midst of sleep deprived stupor.
another thought is that I might start up some cheap little blog...hmmm
schedule. It includes sleeping in between classes on 1 day of the
week, so I might (will) get cut short, but only a little bit.
I decided that I'll carry this out, since I reread the post and
realized that the perfect "test subject" is myself. Also, the other
guy doing the cognitive tests (i didn't read the whole post): I'm
super excited about this too! It's not phd dissertation or anything,
but it's all in the name of science!
I'll admit straight away though: my normal retention isn't very
wonderful either. While some people would say 80% is a minimum, that's
basically a low average for me... :/
I'm keeping a nap/sleep diary, with manual Anki statistics in the
back, so I can keep track of everything. I'll probably post some
statistics next week or something, when I should probably be in the
midst of sleep deprived stupor.
another thought is that I might start up some cheap little blog...hmmm
Paul Stewart
May 5, 2010, 2:06:16 PM5/5/10
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Thank you
pingu
May 5, 2010, 2:06:42 PM5/5/10
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Oh and as a side note, just a quick question that I don't feel like
starting up a new thread for:
While starting/adapting to Everman3, does it still work out if you
occasionally take a 4.5 core instead of 3? Still taking 3 naps in the
day, but just occasionally going to bed earlier.
starting up a new thread for:
While starting/adapting to Everman3, does it still work out if you
occasionally take a 4.5 core instead of 3? Still taking 3 naps in the
day, but just occasionally going to bed earlier.
Karolis
May 5, 2010, 2:15:38 PM5/5/10
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If you can, it's best to wait till you adapt. You are *conditioning*
your mind/body to sleep in a certain way after all. If you are
practically dead and can't go through it, obviously there's not much
choice then.
your mind/body to sleep in a certain way after all. If you are
practically dead and can't go through it, obviously there's not much
choice then.
Bryan
May 6, 2010, 12:31:03 AM5/6/10
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> It does not matter if "cards vary in difficulty." That's why basically
> the main thing that would really matter would be the overall
> percentage for mature cards. If you have a large enough deck, having
> some "hard cards" is going to be irrelevant.
your cards dramatically increased or decreased in difficulty on
different days. What if you get a third review for a tonne of easy
cards you added all at once several months ago, for example. It would
also be good to have an enormous deck, like you said.
> It would be "objective" in the scope of that one person.
That one person may face sets of cards that are somewhat harder on
different days than others.
> It had nothing to do with how much/often you study.
Japanese? I disagree, success in learning Japanese has a lot to do
with how much you study. If your methods of learning it are non-
retarded, it's the biggest factor.
> Not only that, with what I'm dealing with, spending more time studying
> things that I (should) already know is inefficient!
per day. Even if your forgetting rate increases, the amount of new
facts you will be learning will greatly increase if you devote more
time to study.
pingu
May 6, 2010, 2:01:17 AM5/6/10
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> My point was that you don't want this test to fall upon a period where
> your cards dramatically increased or decreased in difficulty on
> different days. What if you get a third review for a tonne of easy
> cards you added all at once several months ago, for example. It would
> also be good to have an enormous deck, like you said.
getting easy cards, hard cards, old cards, new cards. This shouldn't
really be too much of an issue.
What matters overall is the percentage of "Mature" cards (cards where
they don't show up for at least 21 days -- meaning, in a very loose
description, that they are in your long-term memory, and you
"shouldn't" be forgetting them, theoretically)
> I was talking about the difficulty of the cards for that one person.
> That one person may face sets of cards that are somewhat harder on
> different days than others.
don't think that this would really affect the stats a whole lot.
> What had nothing to do with how much you study? Overall success in
> Japanese? I disagree, success in learning Japanese has a lot to do
> with how much you study. If your methods of learning it are non-
> retarded, it's the biggest factor.
things that you have already learned. You only answer the cards it
tells you to, and then you're done for the day/session. This is what I
call "Reviewing," because it's things I have already learned, but
would not like to forget.
"Studying," to me, is learning new words and concepts. Encountering
them in books, movies, music, etc...looking them up, learning their
context, etc...Once I feel I understand it, I add it into Anki so then
I can "review" it forever, and (theoretically) never forget it.
When you recommended studying more to help stave off forgetting
things, it seemed as if you meant "use the 6 hours to study the things
you are worried about forgetting" = study things you already know =
reviewing. Due to the nature of how Anki works, doing this would be
meaningless.
Extra time would be put towards learning new material ("Studying," as
it were)
> Who suggested that? You have several more productive hours to study
> per day. Even if your forgetting rate increases, the amount of new
> facts you will be learning will greatly increase if you devote more
> time to study.
encompassing word. The forgetting rate should not increase -- if it
does, it's not because of an influx of new material.
tl;dr: You gave me the impression that you were saying "If you're
forgetting things, just review them more," which completely takes away
the point of using Anki in the first place.
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