Need Some Help Planning an Everyman 2 Schedule (I'm new)
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Brando
Nov 24, 2009, 2:22:46 PM11/24/09
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After doing 3 days worth of research on the subject I've decided to
try and try the plunge into the Polyphasic Lifestyle. I have been
trying to create a schedule to help me come up with viable way for me
to accommodate this type of lifestyle. My main concern is work: I work
52 miles away from my home and on a very good day takes me about an
hour to get there. On the subject of work alone there are a couple of
issues that are causing a trepidation in this decision:
1. I need to make sure that I am safe to drive this distance without
being a danger to other pedestrians and/or drivers.
2. I need to be able to go a 10 hour stint of being awake. I could
probably take a nap at work because I have my own office/car, but I
can see people talking and I would rather avoid office politics if at
all possible.
I plan to reserve the week after Christmas to adjust to this new
schedule; I have 10 days off which is longer period off than any other
time in the entire year for me, so whatever I decide I have one shot
to try to plan and implement this otherwise I would have to wait
another year. I don't what a feasible amount of time to stay awake is
after about 3 hours of core sleep so I wanted to ask the people who
currently live on schedule like this what their current limitations
are.
Here is my proposed schedule:
- 1-4 core sleep.
- 11-11:30* (possible nap time, but would rather exclude altogether).
- 3:30-4 Nap
- 9-9:30 Nap
So does this schedule seem feasible, or should I try a different
undertaking? Thanks I appreciate the time whomever read this took to
do so.
P.S. This seems like an awesome group, I'm happy to be a part of it!
try and try the plunge into the Polyphasic Lifestyle. I have been
trying to create a schedule to help me come up with viable way for me
to accommodate this type of lifestyle. My main concern is work: I work
52 miles away from my home and on a very good day takes me about an
hour to get there. On the subject of work alone there are a couple of
issues that are causing a trepidation in this decision:
1. I need to make sure that I am safe to drive this distance without
being a danger to other pedestrians and/or drivers.
2. I need to be able to go a 10 hour stint of being awake. I could
probably take a nap at work because I have my own office/car, but I
can see people talking and I would rather avoid office politics if at
all possible.
I plan to reserve the week after Christmas to adjust to this new
schedule; I have 10 days off which is longer period off than any other
time in the entire year for me, so whatever I decide I have one shot
to try to plan and implement this otherwise I would have to wait
another year. I don't what a feasible amount of time to stay awake is
after about 3 hours of core sleep so I wanted to ask the people who
currently live on schedule like this what their current limitations
are.
Here is my proposed schedule:
- 1-4 core sleep.
- 11-11:30* (possible nap time, but would rather exclude altogether).
- 3:30-4 Nap
- 9-9:30 Nap
So does this schedule seem feasible, or should I try a different
undertaking? Thanks I appreciate the time whomever read this took to
do so.
P.S. This seems like an awesome group, I'm happy to be a part of it!
Ian Turner
Nov 25, 2009, 11:11:43 AM11/25/09
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I would strongly discourage you from driving any distance during the
adaptation period. During this time you are undergoing sleep deprivation,
which seriously impairs your ability to drive safely. Driving after 17-19
hours of wakefulness is (very roughly) equivalent to one drink of alcohol;
after 36 hours that number doubles, and after 60 hours it doubles again. In
other words, driving during your adaptation phase is equivalent to driving
after downing several beers. Just don't do it.
You can measure your ability to drive safely by checking for microsleeps. Once
your adaptation reaches a phase where you can do a task without microsleeps,
then you are probably safe to drive as well. You can measure microsleeps using
any task which requires constant awareness, such as playing a racing or
fighting game. Just have a friend watch you to see if you stop responding for
5-30 seconds; if you do, that's a microsleep. You can also use a videotape or
keystroke recorder if you don't want to bring your friends into this world.
You should run this test for at least 30 minutes for reliable results.
Hope that's helpful. Cheers,
--Ian
adaptation period. During this time you are undergoing sleep deprivation,
which seriously impairs your ability to drive safely. Driving after 17-19
hours of wakefulness is (very roughly) equivalent to one drink of alcohol;
after 36 hours that number doubles, and after 60 hours it doubles again. In
other words, driving during your adaptation phase is equivalent to driving
after downing several beers. Just don't do it.
You can measure your ability to drive safely by checking for microsleeps. Once
your adaptation reaches a phase where you can do a task without microsleeps,
then you are probably safe to drive as well. You can measure microsleeps using
any task which requires constant awareness, such as playing a racing or
fighting game. Just have a friend watch you to see if you stop responding for
5-30 seconds; if you do, that's a microsleep. You can also use a videotape or
keystroke recorder if you don't want to bring your friends into this world.
You should run this test for at least 30 minutes for reliable results.
Hope that's helpful. Cheers,
--Ian
MrPoptart
Nov 25, 2009, 11:17:24 AM11/25/09
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I'm constantly baffled by people who do the reading, know about
polyphasic, say, "I'm ready to try it, but I can't REALLY do it." If
you were going to become a chef but didn't want to learn how to follow
a recipe, would you be surprised when your food turned out poorly? If
you wanted to learn to play piano, but didn't have time to practice,
would you be surprised when you couldn't play well? If you were going
to do polyphasic, but couldn't follow a schedule you've heard works,
would you be surprised when you feel tired all the time and become a
risk to other drivers?
Polyphasic sleeping isn't a simple, easy solution to all of your daily
time crunch problems. That's only a side effect. Think of it more as
an exercise in the most rigorous self-discipline you've ever tried.
When you have the capability, interest, and success in pursuing self-
control, then you'll have more time.
polyphasic, say, "I'm ready to try it, but I can't REALLY do it." If
you were going to become a chef but didn't want to learn how to follow
a recipe, would you be surprised when your food turned out poorly? If
you wanted to learn to play piano, but didn't have time to practice,
would you be surprised when you couldn't play well? If you were going
to do polyphasic, but couldn't follow a schedule you've heard works,
would you be surprised when you feel tired all the time and become a
risk to other drivers?
Polyphasic sleeping isn't a simple, easy solution to all of your daily
time crunch problems. That's only a side effect. Think of it more as
an exercise in the most rigorous self-discipline you've ever tried.
When you have the capability, interest, and success in pursuing self-
control, then you'll have more time.
Daniel Smith
Nov 25, 2009, 11:45:31 AM11/25/09
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I think that to make that functional you will have to either add an additional 1.5 hours to your core or remove the "optional" label on the one nap.
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When I was adapting, I required 4 naps to remain functional on 3 hours of core sleep. It may not be the case for you if you already know how to take a nap.
You will have to be very, very strict if you want to be able to do that kind of driving after only 10 days. I'd test yourself on day nine (be sure it's actually at the time of your commute, but don't drive on busy streets) and be prepared to call it off if you don't feel alert behind the wheel. Obviously if you are microsleeping it's not even safe to test yourself like that.
I didn't start feeling better each day until day 8 or 9, about the time I added the 4th nap. It's quite possible you will still be in a significant amount of discomfort after 10 days.
Anyway, don't mean to scare you. Hope this helps, and good luck.
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Aya Hu
Nov 25, 2009, 1:06:34 PM11/25/09
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No, the Everyman and Uberman have the same sleep dep effects during
adaptation. My twin and I, 100% the same DNA did one Uber one Every 3
hour core for some time, each of us followed the same pattern of sleep
deprivation as noted by our video logs and journals. Hers was slightly
less severe but by no means could she drive that far.
It was the 9th day for both of us that was considered our 'worst'.
There were times driving less than 5 minutes up the road because I
absolutely had to, I microslept every time I blinked, seeing micro
dreams, your mind wants to drift into those sweet, sweet dreams. This
should keep you awake: 80% of drowsiness related car accidents end in
fatality. You will not be able to hold onto the road, you wont be able
not to microswerve ( a term I made up for the completely involuntary
swerve you do, which I usually pretended was a lane change)
So, I highly discourage it until you have one full month of non
driving or being able to have a friend take you. Your mind will trick
you into believing you are "OK to drive". You arent! Dont become one
of the 80%. Finally, this was the best thing I ever did for myself.
Last night I went to see Ninja Assassin at midnight, and 2 hours of
downloading sims objects later, I got ready for work and was here by
6am. A normal person could never do this, but I do it every night. It
is WORTH the pain if you have a lot to do or many hobbies, and if you
can get someone to drive you during your adaptation.
Aya
adaptation. My twin and I, 100% the same DNA did one Uber one Every 3
hour core for some time, each of us followed the same pattern of sleep
deprivation as noted by our video logs and journals. Hers was slightly
less severe but by no means could she drive that far.
It was the 9th day for both of us that was considered our 'worst'.
There were times driving less than 5 minutes up the road because I
absolutely had to, I microslept every time I blinked, seeing micro
dreams, your mind wants to drift into those sweet, sweet dreams. This
should keep you awake: 80% of drowsiness related car accidents end in
fatality. You will not be able to hold onto the road, you wont be able
not to microswerve ( a term I made up for the completely involuntary
swerve you do, which I usually pretended was a lane change)
So, I highly discourage it until you have one full month of non
driving or being able to have a friend take you. Your mind will trick
you into believing you are "OK to drive". You arent! Dont become one
of the 80%. Finally, this was the best thing I ever did for myself.
Last night I went to see Ninja Assassin at midnight, and 2 hours of
downloading sims objects later, I got ready for work and was here by
6am. A normal person could never do this, but I do it every night. It
is WORTH the pain if you have a lot to do or many hobbies, and if you
can get someone to drive you during your adaptation.
Aya
Brando
Nov 25, 2009, 11:32:33 AM11/25/09
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All:
Sorry, forgot to mention that I have earmarked 10 days next month to
get acclimated to this new sleep schedule where I won't really have to
drive anywhere (Dec 25-Jan 2).
Ian:
Thanks for the tips. I will use them to gauge my progress when I
attempt this.
MrPoptart:
I see your point and agree with it. Perhaps I should be using this as
an exercise in self discipline and not just a time solution. I can now
see it as both and not 'just' a means for time conservation.
Sorry, forgot to mention that I have earmarked 10 days next month to
get acclimated to this new sleep schedule where I won't really have to
drive anywhere (Dec 25-Jan 2).
Ian:
Thanks for the tips. I will use them to gauge my progress when I
attempt this.
MrPoptart:
I see your point and agree with it. Perhaps I should be using this as
an exercise in self discipline and not just a time solution. I can now
see it as both and not 'just' a means for time conservation.
Daniel Smith
Nov 25, 2009, 1:50:38 PM11/25/09
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Interesting, I never had it anywhere near that bad while adapting. But, I was taking an extra nap (three hour core + 4 naps). Another possible explanation is that I was just really, really, bad at going to sleep. That was one of the reasons I started doing this.
Twinge
Nov 26, 2009, 1:35:59 PM11/26/09
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On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Brando <1234bran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My main concern is work: I work
> 52 miles away from my home and on a very good day takes me about an
> hour to get there. On the subject of work alone there are a couple of
> issues that are causing a trepidation in this decision:
>
> 1. I need to make sure that I am safe to drive this distance without
> being a danger to other pedestrians and/or drivers.
> 2. I need to be able to go a 10 hour stint of being awake. I could
> probably take a nap at work because I have my own office/car, but I
> can see people talking and I would rather avoid office politics if at
> all possible.
With these restrictions, I'm going to flat-out say that you should not
> My main concern is work: I work
> 52 miles away from my home and on a very good day takes me about an
> hour to get there. On the subject of work alone there are a couple of
> issues that are causing a trepidation in this decision:
>
> 1. I need to make sure that I am safe to drive this distance without
> being a danger to other pedestrians and/or drivers.
> 2. I need to be able to go a 10 hour stint of being awake. I could
> probably take a nap at work because I have my own office/car, but I
> can see people talking and I would rather avoid office politics if at
> all possible.
attempt polyphasic with a 3h core at all. A 10-hour waking period
combined with a long drive are simply not compatible with safely and
sanely attempting it.
However, you can still probably look at some options. Biphasic is an
option - Sure, you don't gain a ton of extra time, but you still gain
some and you will also potentially gain an energy boost from it (say,
napping at lunch or right when work is done - either could leave you
feeling more refreshed and awake afterward). You could also possibly
manage a 4.5h everyman with 2-3 naps - this is still iffy with the 10h
block, but napping immediately before and after might work out okay
when done with a 4.5h core.
[Do note my direct experience is only pretty minimal here, so grain of
salt and all that.]
Brando
Nov 28, 2009, 1:00:52 PM11/28/09
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@ Twinge:
When I made my initial post I was combining my 2 hours on the road
with my 8 hours of work, but I've pretty much ruled out foregoing that
nap during the middle of the day. In retrospect I think it was a
little presumptuous of me to demand so much from something I have yet
to experience firsthand. With that said I plan to break up that large
10 hour block with 2, 5 hour stints which judging from other posts I
have read is completely doable (in theory at least). Thanks for taking
the time out to give me some other options though if my attempt goes
awry :).
/Twinge
I have been taking some other proactive (at least I think they're
proactive) measures to help ease the transition. I have begun training
myself to subconsciously respond to my alarm clock so hopefully my
subconscious will win the battle with my sleep deprived body during
the adjustment phase. I'm also attempting to repair my I-Pod so that I
can put a white noise mp3 on there so that I can use that to get
across my stigma of napping in semi-public places (like my car or
office) I haven't heard the nap mp3 suggested to others yet but I will
probably try to give that a listen first before I go trying to find
something on my own.
There is an area where I am coming up short though and that is a
project to completely occupy me during the adjustment phase. I have a
ton of plans for when I am adjusted but unfortunately they are all
long term (finishing my degree, learning how to write professionally,
reading books that I never I have time to look at, etc.) but I can't
find anything to encompass my being (for lack of a better term)
temporarily while I am going through my adjustment rigors. Does anyone
have any suggestions?
When I made my initial post I was combining my 2 hours on the road
with my 8 hours of work, but I've pretty much ruled out foregoing that
nap during the middle of the day. In retrospect I think it was a
little presumptuous of me to demand so much from something I have yet
to experience firsthand. With that said I plan to break up that large
10 hour block with 2, 5 hour stints which judging from other posts I
have read is completely doable (in theory at least). Thanks for taking
the time out to give me some other options though if my attempt goes
awry :).
/Twinge
I have been taking some other proactive (at least I think they're
proactive) measures to help ease the transition. I have begun training
myself to subconsciously respond to my alarm clock so hopefully my
subconscious will win the battle with my sleep deprived body during
the adjustment phase. I'm also attempting to repair my I-Pod so that I
can put a white noise mp3 on there so that I can use that to get
across my stigma of napping in semi-public places (like my car or
office) I haven't heard the nap mp3 suggested to others yet but I will
probably try to give that a listen first before I go trying to find
something on my own.
There is an area where I am coming up short though and that is a
project to completely occupy me during the adjustment phase. I have a
ton of plans for when I am adjusted but unfortunately they are all
long term (finishing my degree, learning how to write professionally,
reading books that I never I have time to look at, etc.) but I can't
find anything to encompass my being (for lack of a better term)
temporarily while I am going through my adjustment rigors. Does anyone
have any suggestions?
John Litborn
Nov 28, 2009, 2:25:38 PM11/28/09
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Computer games, mmorpgs, rpgs, adventure, fps's, anything that makes
your blood rushing ad forget trivial things such as hunger and sleep.
Myself I'm gonna install diablo II in a moment, and earlier during
other adaptions i've played metal gear solid, tremulous and so.
Good luck!
your blood rushing ad forget trivial things such as hunger and sleep.
Myself I'm gonna install diablo II in a moment, and earlier during
other adaptions i've played metal gear solid, tremulous and so.
Good luck!
Nicky Hajal
Nov 28, 2009, 2:45:52 PM11/28/09
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Starcraft.
If anyone plays, it's always nice to get a team together on Battle Net
-Nicky
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If anyone plays, it's always nice to get a team together on Battle Net
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Chris Hope
Nov 28, 2009, 2:46:30 PM11/28/09
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+1
I play World of Warcraft and I find it banishes any tiredness. Then I
stop at 2am and go to bed, and am asleep with a minute :)
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I play World of Warcraft and I find it banishes any tiredness. Then I
stop at 2am and go to bed, and am asleep with a minute :)
2009/11/29 John Litborn <john.l...@gmail.com>:
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Mobile: +64 21 866 529
Chris Hope
Nov 28, 2009, 2:49:06 PM11/28/09
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> I play World of Warcraft and I find it banishes any tiredness. Then I
> stop at 2am and go to bed, and am asleep with a minute :)
I should qualify my comment a little more... My body has learnt to nap
> stop at 2am and go to bed, and am asleep with a minute :)
on demand from my 26 days (so far) into adaptation and I usually fall
asleep within 60 seconds of starting a nap or core sleep. It's not
extreme tiredness that makes me fall asleep after a minute of playing
WOW - it's that I'm now conditioned to fall asleep almost immediately.
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