Re: LOOKING FOR A HISTORICAL RAM - The two books eloquently prove Ramayan isn't a mythical saga

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I believe Mythology is a combination of truth with symbolism to
represent stories
obtained from the Air

- Need Independent Look at Archive Materials and Interview with People
who would know
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If Bharat depends upon James Mills (James Stuart Mills ?) and Charles
Grant or other outside sources who clearly demonstrate their ignorance
of Bharat (as stated below - ignorance about Alexander the Great's
opinion of Bharat), we will get all kinds of wrong information.

I believe that the archives in libraries in Germany/Britain/
Netherlands etc. would have a lot of materials obtained from the Air
and the ground about events in Bharat (carried away by British and
French and Spanish and Dutch and others from Bharat; as well as
information that they obtained from the Air that drove their invasions
in the first place. You cannot invade a land without first obtaining
over years and years a lot of information from the Air, etc.). I can
see a lot of huge volumes of materials in this library (San Jose
Public Library, 150 E. San Fernando Street, San Jose, California, USA)
which could not possibly have been compiled by anyone manually; They
all look like lots and lots of writings that could only have come from
the Air compiled by automated mechanisms (?) or even several people
working together to gather it all together. They do not make sense in
terms of not having continuity or proper logical ordering or reasoning
or proper subjects - no head or tail so to speak...

- HSN.

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On Feb 26, 7:51 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> Looking for a historical Rama
>
> Historical Rama
> Author: D K Hari & Hema Hari
> Publisher: Sri Sri Publications Trust
> Price: Rs 200
>
> Ayodhya: War and Peace
> Author: D K Hari & Hema Hari
> Publisher: Sri Sri Publications Trust
> Price: Rs 200
>
> The two books eloquently prove Ramayan isn't a mythical saga, writes
> Fran ois Gautier
>
> Agenda
> The Pioneer
> Sunday, February 27, 2011
>
> Is Lord Ram a historic personality? Literature and local legends have
> kept alive the image of Ram as a popular hero, a righteous man, a
> noble king and a God. Was he all that and more?
>
> Here comes DK Hari and his wife, Hema, founders of Bharath Gyan, a
> Chennai-based research centre, who have written a book which attempts
> to substantiate the historicity of Ram by using a new technique of
> dating called Archaeo-Astronomy.
>
> Archaeo-Astronomy examines scientific evidences such as astronomical
> sky charts, geological surveys, archaeological excavations,
> travelogues of foreign visitors to India and notes from the archives
> of other countries. The holistic compilation thus garnered, DK Hari
> says, "is the result of careful scrutiny and validation of the
> information from the above listed various sources and then collation
> of the same in an integrated, interdisciplinary manner to unravel the
> historicity of Ram".
>
> Indeed, Hari and his wife have raised various questions that occur to
> the ordinary mind, in the context of both Ramayan and Ram, such as
> the date of his birth, who was Hanuman, or how Ram Setu was built.
>
> They mainly contend that the first official history of India, written
> by James Mill and Charles Grant (who never set foot on Indian soil),
> is full of flaws and warped all future historical records on India.
> For one, Mill and Grant believed that the world was created in 4004
> BC, hence the Vedas, Ramayan, or Bhagavad Gita were postdated by
> them. They thought that it was Alexander the Great' who spread
> civilisation in India in 326 BC. For them, Indians were barbarians
> before that, even though today it has come out that Alexander was in
> awe of Indian achievements and wisdom. Not to forget, the Aryan
> invasion theory which has largely been debunked today. As a result,
> Ram and Krishna were categorised by Mill and Grant as mythology';
> and, for them, the Vedas were a litany of mumble-jumble.
>
> If there are talks on Ram, then one cannot escape the Ayodhya topic,
> which forms the subject of the second booklet, Ayodhya: War and
> Peace, by the Hari couple. In this book, using the same archaeo-
> astronomy parameters, they date the foundation of the city of Ayodhya
> to 7,000 years ago. They recap how not only Ram, but also Lakshman,
> Bharat, Shatrughna and the two sons of Ram -- Luv and Kush -- are
> historical. Their children, they claim, "are living in our midst even
> today, for over the last 7,000 years they have spread to different
> parts of the land. Not only within India but to different parts of
> the world too".
>
> DK Hari says, "What we need today, in respect of Ayodhya, is a
> perspective that addresses the issue in an inclusive manner of
> bringing all sections together. A perspective to restore Ayodhya, as
> not only one of the longest surviving cities of the world, but also
> to focus on the lessons to be gained from Ayodhya and its long
> history and the values that Ram stood for."
>
> Some of the arguments of both the books make sense. The authors, for
> instance, say that 7,000 years ago the sea was three metres shallower
> in the Gulf of Mannar between India and Sri Lanka. This must have
> allowed Ram and his army to build the bridge. The calculating of
> Ram's birth and the listing of historical references to Ayodhya also
> make for sound reading.
>
> One, however, feels that the arguments are a bit overstretched at
> times and that gaps are filled-up by little substantiated facts --
> for instance, Ram was able to fly with an ancient wing suit!
> Nevertheless, beliefs are often based on faith. After all, why should
> Christians trust that Jesus was conceived of a virgin, or that he
> ascended physically to heaven after being crucified -- and Hindus not
> be allowed to believe that Ram was a historical avatar and that
> Ayodhya was his capital?
>
> - The reviewer is a French journalist based in India
>
> http://dailypioneer.com/320633/Looking-for-a-historical-Ram.html
>
> More at:http://www.dailypioneer.com
>
> Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
> Om Shanti
>
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Mar 4, 2011, 5:19:08 PM3/4/11

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Mirza Ghalib,
Francis A. Miniter :

You should check with government sources if you are interested in
finding out about 'unreliability' of the God in Heaven (Air) or
Controller in the Air or Boss in the Air or Network in the Air or
whatever it is that they might have that is defying the One God on
Earth at the moment. These kinds of problems are expected to go away
with the control of Time and then this question will not be coming up,
I expect.

Or check with mystics or someone who will tell you 'yes' or 'no' at
least, if you deserve to know, that is. If you are really honest in
asking the questions, you will need to put in some more effort to get
to the bottom of the matter.

- HSN.

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On Mar 3, 11:26 am, Mirza Ghalib <mghali...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Mar 1, 6:33 pm, library101 <h.s.nair...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I believe Mythology is a combination of truth with symbolism to
> > represent stories
> > obtained from the Air
>
> > - Need Independent Look at Archive Materials and Interview with People
> > who would know

> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>
> > If Bharat depends upon James Mills (James Stuart Mills ?) and Charles
> > Grant or other outside sources who clearly demonstrate their ignorance
> > of Bharat (as stated below - ignorance about Alexander the Great's
> > opinion of Bharat), we will get all kinds of wrong information.
>
> > I believe that the archives in libraries in Germany/Britain/
> > Netherlands etc. would have a lot of materials obtained from the Air
> > and the ground about events in Bharat (carried away by British and
> > French and Spanish and Dutch and others from Bharat; as well as
> > information that they obtained from the Air that drove their invasions
> > in the first place. You cannot invade a land without first obtaining
> > over years and years a lot of information from the Air, etc.). I can
> > see a lot of huge volumes of materials in this library (San Jose
> > Public Library, 150 E. San Fernando Street, San Jose, California, USA)
> > which could not possibly have been compiled by anyone manually; They
> > all look like lots and lots of writings that could only have come from
> > the Air compiled by automated mechanisms (?) or even several people
> > working together to gather it all together. They do not make sense in
> > terms of not having continuity or proper logical ordering or reasoning
> > or proper subjects - no head or tail so to speak...
>
> > - HSN.
>

> Are you suggesting that when the Brits started the
> East India Company ( app 250 years ago) and began
> acquiring real estate in earnest they had helicopters
> and surveillance planes with which they collected
> information on ground before doing the actual battle(s)?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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From: "Francis A. Miniter" <famini...@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:51:04 -0500
Local: Thurs, Mar 3 2011 12:51 pm
Subject: Re: LOOKING FOR A HISTORICAL RAM - The two books eloquently

prove Ramayan isn't a mythical saga

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> On Mar 1, 6:33 pm, library101<h.s.nair...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I believe Mythology is a combination of truth with symbolism to
>> represent stories
>> obtained from the Air

>> - Need Independent Look at Archive Materials and Interview with People
>> who would know

>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> If Bharat depends upon James Mills (James Stuart Mills ?) and Charles
>> Grant or other outside sources who clearly demonstrate their ignorance
>> of Bharat (as stated below - ignorance about Alexander the Great's
>> opinion of Bharat), we will get all kinds of wrong information.

>> I believe that the archives in libraries in Germany/Britain/
>> Netherlands etc. would have a lot of materials obtained from the Air
>> and the ground about events in Bharat (carried away by British and
>> French and Spanish and Dutch and others from Bharat; as well as
>> information that they obtained from the Air that drove their invasions
>> in the first place. You cannot invade a land without first obtaining
>> over years and years a lot of information from the Air, etc.). I can
>> see a lot of huge volumes of materials in this library (San Jose
>> Public Library, 150 E. San Fernando Street, San Jose, California, USA)
>> which could not possibly have been compiled by anyone manually; They
>> all look like lots and lots of writings that could only have come from
>> the Air compiled by automated mechanisms (?) or even several people
>> working together to gather it all together. They do not make sense in
>> terms of not having continuity or proper logical ordering or reasoning
>> or proper subjects - no head or tail so to speak...

>> - HSN.

Wow, I never knew that Alexander the Great had an air force!

--
Francis A. Miniter

In dem Lande der Pygmäen
gibt es keine Uniformen,
weder Abzeichen, noch irgend welche Normen,
Und Soldaten sind dort nicht zu sehen.

Siegfried von Vegesack, "Es gibt keine Uniformen"
from In dem Lande der Pygmäen

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