Look What Trump Has Done To A Once-Proud Party

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Lobo

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Feb 4, 2018, 9:01:34 PM2/4/18
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I'm certainly no Republican like Jennifer Rubin. Unlike her, I was an ardent opponent of nearly all of the policies of Ronald Reagan and both Bushes. But I recognize the need for two viable parties, with competing takes on major issues, in honest opposition to each other. in our (small and large "D' and "R") democratic republican system. And a common belief in basic American norms, traditions, and Constitutional values. Sadly, that's gone now. The GOP has become party of "strongman" autocracy; the party of Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump.

Right Turn
 Opinion

Look what Trump has done to a once-proud party

By Jennifer Rubin February 4 at 12:00 PM Email the author

Russian President Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin, in Moscow on Dec. 28, 2017. (Kirill Kudryavtsev/Pool Photo via AP)

For decades, the Republican Party was known for defending free trade, insisting on constitutional strictures, preaching civic virtue and family values, and articulating a tough international posture, the latter especially during the Cold War. If you now are a sincere free trader, believe in not just originalism but the ethos of the rule of law and care about ethical propriety, human decency and a no-nonsense stance toward an aggressive and oppressive kleptocracy in Moscow, the GOP isn’t much help. Too often it is an antagonist, not a protector of the things you hold dear. On each of these issues, those who believed the same things they did in 2000, in 1990 and in 1980 are alternatively mystified and angered by the willingness of the GOP to shed its beliefs out of fidelity to President Trump.

SurveyMonkey completed a quick poll for Axios in the wake of the GOP’s botched memo release concerning surveillance of suspected Russian agent Carter Page. “FBI approval in the SurveyMonkey Poll, taken over the past two days, is 64% among Democrats and just 38% among Republicans. Unfavorable opinion of the FBI: 47% in the GOP; 14% among Ds.” This is a reversal of long-standing opinion among Americans. Axios observes that “overall opinion of the FBI fell over the past year … likely driven entirely by falling approval from Rs.”

A party proud of its support for law and order has now been lured into the Trumpian world of incoherent conspiracies. (If the FBI was out to spy on the Trump campaign, why surveil Page only after he left the campaign? If the FBI was tilted toward Hillary Clinton, why wade into the campaign 11 days before the election with a spurious concern about additional emails?) In short, to be a loyal Republican not only means to forget past positions (or minimize their importance), but also to deny that one has changed for completely irrational reasons.

The same intellectual contortion applies to our policy toward Russia. Throughout the Cold War, Republicans accused Democrats of being too solicitous toward and often pawns (“useful idiots”) of the Soviets. Now Trump and his merry band of sycophants in Congress and the right-wing media spout Russian propaganda. (#Releasethememo seemed to be a joint social media campaign between Russian bots and Trump cultists.) WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange tries to message Sean Hannity, who talks to Trump.

Here too, polling reveals the party has reversed decades of  accepted wisdom. In 2017, a Pew Research Center poll “found that the share of Republicans expressing confidence in Putin doubled to 34 percent from 17 percent in 2015, when Donald Trump launched a campaign for the White House that was seen as friendly toward Moscow.” After a campaign in which Trump and his team willingly accepted or even solicited “dirt” on Hillary Clinton (including hacked emails) and after the year they have spent denying Russian interference in our elections, it is little wonder the obedient followers in the GOP have adopted views one would never have expected: “Just 13 percent of Democrats have confidence in Putin, the poll found. And while 61 percent of Democrats consider Russia a major national security risk, only 36 percent of Republicans do, the poll of 1,505 adults conducted from Feb. 16 to March 15 found.” If you want a party that’s hawkish on Russia, the GOP doesn’t seem to be the ideal place.

Perhaps after Trump Republicans will revert to “normal.” We don’t know, but for now it’s the Democrats who are on the side of law and order and who are Russia hawks.

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Opinion | Did Trump obstruct justice? Look at the facts.

Trump says the Justice Department is politically biased. Lawfare’s Quinta Jurecic examines the investigation Trump calls "fake news." (Kate Woodsome, Adriana Usero/The Washington Post)

Jennifer Rubin writes the Right Turn blog for The Post, offering reported opinion from a conservative perspective.
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Ragnar

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Feb 4, 2018, 9:48:57 PM2/4/18
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Slavering lemmings for the Russian mafia traitor child rapist......the only principles the orange scumbag party have is hate and greed. 

Lobo

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Feb 4, 2018, 9:53:16 PM2/4/18
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<<. In 2017, a Pew Research Center poll “found that the share of Republicans expressing confidence in Putin doubled to 34 percent from 17 percent in 2015, when Donald Trump launched a campaign for the White House that was seen as friendly toward Moscow.” After a campaign in which Trump and his team willingly accepted or even solicited “dirt” on Hillary Clinton (including hacked emails) and after the year they have spent denying Russian interference in our elections, it is little wonder the obedient followers in the GOP have adopted views one would never have expected>>

Need anyone say anything more?


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Slavering lemmings for the Russian mafia traitor child rapist......the only principles the orange scumbag party has is hate and greed. 

White Mark

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Feb 4, 2018, 11:46:16 PM2/4/18
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Bwahahahahahahahaha. Hilarious. Really. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha. You retards never cease to amaze.

Lobo

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Feb 5, 2018, 12:30:45 AM2/5/18
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<<Bwahahahahahahahaha. Hilarious. Really. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha. You retards never cease to amaze.>>

Markese for "I didn't read the article".

BoSwenson

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Feb 5, 2018, 4:27:01 AM2/5/18
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LMAO, exactly he saw the first three syllable word and stopped right there.
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White Mark

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Feb 5, 2018, 8:08:34 AM2/5/18
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I read it, which is why I am laughing. Hilarious.

Navy

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Feb 5, 2018, 9:28:50 AM2/5/18
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Conservatives are still proud....

I get irritated that some in my party have not backed and supported Trump...we'd get more done if they did. And I'll remember who....

The dem's are just obstructionists . They think they are giving payback from Obama getting the treatment. We'll see if the American regular Joes and Janes see it the same way come this fall. :)

PirateLT

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Feb 5, 2018, 9:30:46 AM2/5/18
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Conservatives?  LOL

Anti Free trade, raising the red ink to 1 trillion, anti free market and pro Russia.................That pretty much describes the Democrats of the 80's.

Minister Rebel

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Feb 5, 2018, 9:42:52 AM2/5/18
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Look what the dumb shit has done to our country.

plainolamerican

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Feb 5, 2018, 9:43:13 AM2/5/18
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Conservatives are still proud....
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Ragnar

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Feb 5, 2018, 9:47:22 AM2/5/18
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Selective history from matey?....complete bullshit

...and it was ray gun who increased the debt beyond anything previous 

PirateLT

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Feb 5, 2018, 9:48:35 AM2/5/18
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Dems in the 80's were all for tariffs to protect steel and textiles.  

Ragnar

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Feb 5, 2018, 9:56:11 AM2/5/18
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If that is true, that is one aspect of the crap you posted 

PirateLT

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Feb 5, 2018, 9:57:23 AM2/5/18
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Democrats in the 80's were soft with the Soviets as well favored government to pick winners and losers in the market. I will concede on the debt statement.

Ragnar

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Feb 5, 2018, 10:05:01 AM2/5/18
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"soft on Soviets".....because sensible people opposed star wars?     Dems and Repugs were all anti USSR. ......ray gun takes credit for "destroying" the USSR...it was already rotted from the inside. Lot of good it did, putin is a world threat and should be hung in Red Square 

KCM7Alpha

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Feb 5, 2018, 11:04:42 AM2/5/18
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Look at what Trump has done to a once-proud republic.,

Navy

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Feb 5, 2018, 11:22:07 AM2/5/18
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Still proud and your babbling yet again about free trade doesn't change it one iota.  

PirateLT

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Feb 5, 2018, 11:27:08 AM2/5/18
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Soft because they made excuses for the Soviets all the time.

saint.bezark

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Feb 5, 2018, 11:27:19 AM2/5/18
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It's the only thing I like about Trumpovich -- he has destroyed Reagan's GOP.

PirateLT

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Feb 5, 2018, 11:27:49 AM2/5/18
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Well given you are a tribal voter, you wouldn't understand

Navy

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Feb 5, 2018, 11:42:25 AM2/5/18
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No...you bore me with that crap.

PirateLT

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Feb 5, 2018, 11:43:05 AM2/5/18
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tribal voters often hate facts like her party is causing 1 trillion dollars in red ink in one year.............fiscal conservatives lol.

Navy

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Feb 5, 2018, 11:53:02 AM2/5/18
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I don't hate the facts...I hate the topic. 

You're a finance nerd...I'm not. 

After what dems have done...I give anything the Repubs do  financially a pass. I don't care at all about not being a 'fiscal conservative'. There are other things I care about more.You're all about money...I'm not.

PirateLT

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Feb 5, 2018, 11:54:31 AM2/5/18
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It does not take a nerd to figure out 25% of the budget is red ink is bad.  It threatens the very foundation of the government and burdens your children.  You ought to care about that.

Navy

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Feb 5, 2018, 11:58:45 AM2/5/18
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My kids will have to deal with what life deals them...just like I have. 

They aren't lazy...they're smart and they will do just fine.

KCM7Alpha

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Feb 5, 2018, 12:01:45 PM2/5/18
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Other than death, there are no guarantees in life.

Irie

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Feb 5, 2018, 12:03:26 PM2/5/18
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Au contraire....puppies and liberals are guaranteed to whine......

BoSwenson

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Feb 5, 2018, 12:04:17 PM2/5/18
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Republicans used to rant all the time about screwing future generations with too much govt debt. Suddenly they've flushed those principles, along with others, just to curry favor with president train wreck.

Navy

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Feb 5, 2018, 12:16:02 PM2/5/18
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Exactly

Navy

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Feb 5, 2018, 12:16:39 PM2/5/18
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LOL!! True...

Lobo

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Feb 5, 2018, 12:38:25 PM2/5/18
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<<I read it, which is why I am laughing. Hilarious>>

Really? So, what in particular did you find so "hilarious"?

PirateLT

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Feb 5, 2018, 6:59:43 PM2/5/18
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lol.............it affects the economy!  Jesus..........you are so self centered.

Fritz_da_Cat

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Feb 5, 2018, 7:05:39 PM2/5/18
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Bullshit. You don't know how to read. 

Navy

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Feb 5, 2018, 7:10:54 PM2/5/18
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Everything effects the economy....and yes...I think of me and mine. What's the matter pirate...did your retirement take a hit today?

You mad bro?

PirateLT

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Feb 5, 2018, 7:12:57 PM2/5/18
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lol...........I am not a day trader, I don't sweat the small stuff.  Also, if you think I have everything in the market you are mistaken. 

I find frankly your liberal views as amusing.

Navy

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Feb 5, 2018, 7:47:41 PM2/5/18
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You sound a little unhinged....just saying.....that exclamation makes you sound like you're sweating the small stuff.lol...
Don't worry...you can always change your mind if you need SS. 


 
..it affects the economy! 


Ragnar

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Feb 5, 2018, 8:08:30 PM2/5/18
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Prove that one matey ...been drinking rump kool aid? 

Ragnar

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Minister Rebel

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Some sad posters on this forum, eh Biffy. Don’t ya wish for the olden days when intelligence was flouted like mcDonalds at the World Cup.

PirateLT

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Your line of thinking is why you need government welfare to live off (yes SS is no different than a government handout).  

This is a blip in the market. The Market is not a short term/sprint.  It is a long term investment that in the long run historically gives you a good gain.  

PirateLT

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Feb 6, 2018, 10:55:35 AM2/6/18
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I was working on the Hill in the 80's...>Saw it for my self. 

Ragnar

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Feb 6, 2018, 12:51:27 PM2/6/18
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Cute matey.....zero proof...."realistic" matey blowing bullshit 

PirateLT

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Feb 6, 2018, 1:26:31 PM2/6/18
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lol..........ok, whatever.  When I have a chance I will dig up some bullshit from that era the Dems used to spout.

plainolamerican

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Feb 6, 2018, 1:34:47 PM2/6/18
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Navy

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Feb 6, 2018, 2:07:52 PM2/6/18
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Paid into...it's not welfare. taking it back out. deal with it money bags.

PirateLT

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Feb 6, 2018, 2:11:29 PM2/6/18
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You are stuck on stupid. You didn't pay into shit. Your SS taxes go to people on SS much like your taxes go to people on welfare or to build bombs...........

Ragnar

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Feb 6, 2018, 2:11:35 PM2/6/18
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Fair enough....Pirate I do realize you are 99% more honest than the rump slobber sloths that slink around here. 

PirateLT

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Feb 6, 2018, 2:13:23 PM2/6/18
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Thanks, I think ;-)

Navy

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Feb 6, 2018, 3:06:03 PM2/6/18
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no...that would be you mr money bags...We did pay into it. It is not welfare. Get over it.

PirateLT

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Feb 6, 2018, 3:30:46 PM2/6/18
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You still don't understand the system. It is one of the reasons you could never save enough on your own..........You can call me money bags all you want. I was simply smart enough to save. You will need taxpayer money to support you.  Own it.

Navy

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Feb 6, 2018, 3:34:04 PM2/6/18
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I am happy to take back the money we paid in. 

I understand that the Government took money and promised that we'd get it back. We are now in that process. We saved, we planned and we still want our money as promised. Don't know why it bothers you so much.

Don't really care. But I will keep correcting you.

Irie

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Feb 6, 2018, 3:40:20 PM2/6/18
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I hardly think it's Navy's fault that she was compelled to fund a ponzi scheme and expects the perpetrator of the fraud to fulfill their promise, do you?
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Lobo

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Feb 6, 2018, 3:45:13 PM2/6/18
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<<You are stuck on stupid. You didn't pay into shit. Your SS taxes go to people on SS much like your taxes go to people on welfare or to build bombs...........>>

But with a guarantee that working-age people will fund your basic retirement when you hit 65, and that they in return will get it from younger people when they're no longer able to work.. SS is a pay as you go plan, and definitely a "socialist" plan -- good "socialism", like Medicare/Medicaid, unemployment insurance, and a host of other government middle class support programs -- but hardly a "hand-out".

We would never have had the large, prosperous middle class in this country throughout the 20th century that we had if there hadn't been a deliberate heavy admixture of "socialism" into our economic recipe, including unions and very progressive income tax rates, along with government programs like the ones I named and others. Under laissez-faire, income and wealth simply gravitates to and concentrates at the top, as it did during the first Gilded Age, and has over the last few decades with the conservative all-out assault on those programs, unions, and taxation of the rich, on heavily favoring wealth from capital over wealth produced by labor, and so on.

Capitalism OR Socialism is a false choice. We need elements of both if we want a large, well-off middle class, and an economy that works best and provides the most opportunity for the largest number.

PirateLT

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Feb 6, 2018, 3:45:34 PM2/6/18
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Still stuck on stupid.  You take MORE than you put in easy...............You are living off the taxpayers.

PirateLT

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Feb 6, 2018, 3:46:55 PM2/6/18
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There was no actual promise.

* Per the Social Security Administration:

The money you pay in taxes is not held in a personal account for you to use when you get benefits. Your taxes are being used right now to pay people who now are getting benefits. Any unused money goes to the Social Security trust funds, not a personal account with your name on it.[228]

* From the start of the Social Security program in 1937 through the end of 2016:

  • 94% of all Social Security payroll taxes were spent in the same year they were collected.
  • 13% of Social Security’s total income (including payroll taxes, taxes on Social Security benefits, transfers from the general fund of the Treasury, and interest on the Social Security Trust Fund) has accumulated in the Social Security Trust Fund.[229]

* Per the Social Security Administration:

Since the Social Security system has not accumulated assets equal to the liability of promised future benefits, the social security wealth that individuals hold represents a claim against the earnings of future generations rather than a claim against existing real assets.[230]

* After the federal government pays back with interest all of the money it has borrowed from Social Security, the program’s current claim against the earnings of future generations is $30.8 trillion.[231] [232] This amounts to an average of $132,914 for every person now receiving Social Security benefits or paying Social Security payroll taxes.[233]

* Per the Social Security Administration:

There has been a temptation throughout the program’s history for some people to suppose that their FICA payroll taxes entitle them to a benefit in a legal, contractual sense. … Congress clearly had no such limitation in mind when crafting the law. … Benefits which are granted at one time can be withdrawn.…[234]

* In 1960, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (5 to 4) that entitlement to Social Security benefits is not a contractual right.[235]

Navy

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Feb 6, 2018, 3:47:32 PM2/6/18
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We're taxpayers...we paid in...we are taking out.

PirateLT

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Feb 6, 2018, 3:57:08 PM2/6/18
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. That is NOT how the system works.  But I guess if you are a fake conservative denial and ignorance is the best method.

Lobo

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Feb 6, 2018, 3:58:12 PM2/6/18
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No one ever claimed that it's a contractual pension plan, or a personal investment account, or a savings account. It's a pay as you go plan -- working age people support retirees, and are supported in turn when they retire -- and one that has worked very well for the better part a century. It allows everyone who has worked throughout their lives to have at least a basic income when they're no longer able to work.

PirateLT

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Feb 6, 2018, 3:59:58 PM2/6/18
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I know this.  It is taxpayer money not a savings account.

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:58:12 PM UTC-7, Lobo wrote:
No one ever claimed that it's a contractual pension plan, or a personal investment account, or a savings account. It's a pay as you go plan -- working age people support retirees, and are supported in turn when they retire -- and one that has worked very well for the better part a century. It allows everyone who has worked throughout their lives to have a basic income when they're no longer able to work.

Navy

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Feb 6, 2018, 4:00:01 PM2/6/18
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Sure mr money bags...sure.

PirateLT

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Feb 6, 2018, 4:00:50 PM2/6/18
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Poor Navy. Jealous of my success....You seem to hate success.

Lobo

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Feb 6, 2018, 4:05:51 PM2/6/18
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<<I know this.  It is taxpayer money not a savings account.>>

It's taxpayer money, but from a particular, very regressive tax on working people. It doesn't come out of general revenues, from income or other taxes. All too often, the opposite occurs, when the SS Trust Fund (which is supposed to be loaned out at interest) is used to hide the size of general revenue deficits.

PirateLT

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Feb 6, 2018, 4:09:51 PM2/6/18
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It needs workers to sustain the program. Used to be we had every 11 workers supported 1 person on SS. I think we are down to 2 to 1.

Navy

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Feb 6, 2018, 4:24:09 PM2/6/18
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Not at all...I only resent you throwing it in our faces.

Everything I have now is from working hard and doing the right thing. Yet you disdain that.

I've never been jealous of successful people my whole life. That's a dem trait. I admire that people can make their own success. But you are a braggert. Unappealing in the 'character' department.

PirateLT

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Feb 6, 2018, 4:26:26 PM2/6/18
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I go after hypocrites like yourself. You claim to be for smaller government and have to depend on the government to live.  I don't brag, I simply point out I live by what I say........I'm for smaller government and being independent.  That is something you don't get because you hate that I had the gumption and savvy to save enough.  That is your problem.

Irie

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Navy

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Feb 6, 2018, 4:44:52 PM2/6/18
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Now you're making stuff up. I gave up on smaller government 2 presidents ago. 
Again...good for you for your saving enough.. We saved all we could without letting the kids go , or bills go or not eating or doing without  a place to call home.

You are disdainful of those who didn't make the money you say you make. It shows and you have to own that because that's a problem YOU have.

plainolamerican

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Feb 6, 2018, 4:47:39 PM2/6/18
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this argument stinks up and down wind.
maybe something is wrong with the accusations?

Minister Rebel

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Feb 6, 2018, 4:50:58 PM2/6/18
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Pirate, I have a lot of respect for you, But I agree with Navy, If you pay into a scheme, why not collect when you are able too ? I will not say it’s anyone’s particular money, but it is something to help you in your retirement. I am lucky, I used my money wisely, But I still get S.S. And Medicare I use the S.S. To pay for my Medicaid which is still 400 bucks a month to dodge the doughnut hole or to have piece of mind. No I am not ashamed at taking what the government offer me. Do I deserve it, well that is a matter for me to think about. I have worked over 55 years now, and I am still employed as administrator for my friends company. I guess I will never retire fully. I am not going to tell you what to do, you have to make up your own mind, It would be better if we had a single payer system for our healthcare, Europe has it, and what you call S.S. We call government pensions.

plainolamerican

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Feb 6, 2018, 5:04:28 PM2/6/18
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 Used to be we had every 11 workers supported 1 person on SS. I think we are down to 2 to 1.
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Federal, state and local governments employ 22.2 million workers nationwide, equaling 16.7 percent of the U.S. workforce of 132.7 million. A recent On Numbers report indicated that government employment levels are rising in 37 states.May 14, 2012



plainolamerican

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Feb 6, 2018, 5:07:28 PM2/6/18
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 I still get S.S. And Medicare
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how long have you worked in the US?

Navy

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Feb 6, 2018, 5:12:15 PM2/6/18
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I don't think those things are based on length of time worked...but work credits that qualify you.

Lobo

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Feb 6, 2018, 5:17:53 PM2/6/18
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<<It needs workers to sustain the program. Used to be we had every 11 workers supported 1 person on SS. I think we are down to 2 to 1>>

Which is one reason we need immigration. Our population is aging.

The problem was recognized back in 1983, when Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill instituted a big FICA tax increase on working people and made changes to the SS Trust Fund. The system is in the black until 2034, at which point it will only be able to pay out benefits at 76% if nothing is done -- like increasing the limit on and/or type of income subject to the FICA tax (currently around $128K on wages only).

Navy

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Feb 6, 2018, 5:36:20 PM2/6/18
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Immigration is fine...illegal immigration is the issue most of us have. 

And there is nothing wrong with being pickier about the amounts and the quality of immigrants we allow to come in.

plainolamerican

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Feb 6, 2018, 5:54:52 PM2/6/18
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Immigration is fine
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unless you're a muslim.

...illegal immigration is the issue most of us have. 
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unless you're an employer ... US employers love illegal labor.


And there is nothing wrong with being pickier about the amounts and the quality of immigrants we allow to come in.
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Almost 30% of immigrants 25 or older now possess a bachelor's degree or higher, according to the Migrant Policy Institute--a figure that almost exactly mirrors the percentage for native-born adults. And a disproportionate number of these immigrants study math, science and other STEM disciplines that fuel most modern fortunes. In 2011 three-quarters of the patents from the top ten patent-producing universities in the nation had an immigrant inventor.

remember ... these stats are current ... prior to Bigot Asshole Trump's desire for the brightest and smartest.

PirateLT

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Feb 6, 2018, 5:55:02 PM2/6/18
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Only for people who depend on government.  Actual Conservatives always seek to not take money from the feds.

Navy

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Feb 6, 2018, 6:04:32 PM2/6/18
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Yeah...that comes under that 'pickier of the quality' thing.

Lobo

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Feb 6, 2018, 6:07:30 PM2/6/18
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<<Immigration is fine...illegal immigration is the issue most of us have.>>

I'm not in favor of illegal immigration. I just don't see it as a big problem. It's certainly not a big source of violent crime, as Trump and other demagogues make it out to be, and over the last decade or so there have been as many people crossing the border in the opposite direction as coming in. They're just people looking for work, not welfare (such as it is).They're also not eligible for Social Security, or to vote.

<<And there is nothing wrong with being pickier about the amounts and the quality of immigrants we allow to come in.>>

Depends on what you mean. Immigration based on race or ethnicity -- like more people from white countries like Norway, and fewer from "shithole" (ie, dark-skinned) countries? Or immigration based on religion (as in banning Muslims, or even non-Christians in general)?

I'm in favor of letting in more people with skills and education, but remember that they'll be competing with Americans already here. And keep in mind the fact that to the extent that farmers, ranchers and others have fewer low-wage workers, or have to pay them more, it will also mean an increase in the prices you pay for food and other stuff -- something you say you have a big problem with when we're talking about increasing the Minimum Wage.

Navy

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Feb 6, 2018, 6:12:21 PM2/6/18
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I'm all for legal immigration of enough of the farm worker to make the farmers and ranchers happy. Pay them enough so that they aren't a burden on the rest of us. 

Some one gave an example of today of Americans not wanting those jobs...the offer of $50 an hour was thrown out there. I'm too old for that now...but I would jump on a $50 an hour wage. But I'd have also jumped on a $10 hour wage 30 years ago.

plainolamerican

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Feb 6, 2018, 6:16:22 PM2/6/18
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Pay them enough so that they aren't a burden on the rest of us.
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just enough to keep'em hungry at near poverty levels, right?
America has been doing this to c&s americans for as long as they've been coming here.
it's unconscionable.

Navy

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Feb 6, 2018, 7:12:11 PM2/6/18
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stop reading into what I'm saying.. Pay them enough to live. Stop it.
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