Stand against Islamification Of America

[Navy]

Watch the left on this forum come to Islam's defense. Yet they hate our own Christian values here in America. Is there anything that the left won't show how much they despise America?

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[PirateLT]

The only morality we need in this country is the protection of the rights of the individual. If they do not infringe on the rights of others then they should be able to do, be, worship, own whatever they wish.

[BEZARK]

While I surely don’t want to see it happen overall, I could take  some pleasure seeing MAGA dregs tried under Sharia Law.

[Lobo]

How exactly is anyone trying to "Islamify" America (whatever that means)?

The odds of radical Muslim fundamentalists taking over America and imposing Sharia Law on it are about the same as dogs taking over the world, and forcing humans to do nothing but produce dog biscuits.

All told, Muslim-Americans make up around 1% of the US population, or around 3,430,000. And the percentage of them who want to scrap the Constitution and other fundamental American principles for "Sharia Law" and Islamic theocracy is about the same as the percentage of Christian-Americans who want to scrap the Constitution and its values for Biblical Law and Christian Nationalism.

Say, 10% of both religions in America.

Unfortunately, Christians all told make up around 60% of the total US population of 343 million, or around 206 million, which makes the 10% who are Christian Nationalists -- 20.6 million -- very much a danger to liberty, democracy, and pluralist/secularist Constitutional principles.

BTW: What exactly are these "Judeo-Christian values" that our government is supposedly based on?

I've been trying to get an answer to that all my life, yet no Christian or Jew I've ever asked can give me a reasonable one that makes any sense. In fact, "democracy" is a pagan Greek invention, while the concept of a "republic" is a pagan Roman idea. And our legal system is based on pagan Germanic Anglo-Saxon concepts. 

Meanwhile, Christianity has always been about dividing power between a Church and a monarch. Individual rights and freedom of thought and expression have always been anathema to it.

[Lobo]

<< Watch the left on this forum come to Islam's defense.>>

If you mean come to the defense of Muslims to believe and express their beliefs as they wish, then you're damn right I do. Just as I come to the defense of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Wiccans, Satanists, and believers of any other religion to do the same, and the right of atheists and agnostics to not believe and express non-belief. It's a little thing called "freedom of religion" that MAGAs will never understand, though it's written into our Constitution in the First Amendment and the prohibition on religious tests for office.

<<Yet they hate our own Christian values here in America. Is there anything that the left won't show how much they despise America?  >>

It's rightists and MAGAs who hate America's secular, pluralist, Constitutional principles -- strict government neutrality in matters of religion -- and our individual liberty and freedom of thought to believe or not believe as we choose, without government deciding for us. It's therefore MAGAs who despise America.

On Wednesday, February 18, 2026 at 2:06:23 PM UTC-5 Navy wrote:

[Navy]

Sharia law...you support it I'm sure?

[Joan of quark]

The 'Sharia law' dog whistle has been around since Obama's first term.

More baseless, tiresome fear mongering.

[Navy]

I take it you're a supporter of it too? It's ok...we'll fight it for real Americans. 

[I-think4me]

I take it you're a supporter of it too? It's ok...we'll fight it for real Americans. 

LOL “ tilting at windmills”

It is a made up boogeyman by right wing politicians looking for a campaign issue. Polling shows nothing get right wingers to the polls like some good old fashioned hatred and bigotry.

[Lobo]

<< Sharia law...you support it I'm sure?  >>

About as much as I support Biblical Law. After all I've said here and over the years, why on earth would you imagine that I support anyone's theocratic Holy Law?

Few Muslims support it, at least American Muslims. Like the majority of American Christians and American Jews, they support pluralism, the Constitution, and American principles of separation of religion and government, and freedom of and from religion.

In fact, they probably support it even more than most Christians, because they know that any theocracy in the US will be Christian theocracy, not their own religion's.

[rivcuban]

Christian Nationalism is the greatest threat to America.  Muslims are not a threat.  Just look at the statistics.

[Irie]

Very similar to the fascist, nazi, maga dog whistle...eh?

On Wednesday, February 18, 2026 at 3:23:36 PM UTC-6 Joan of quark wrote:

[Lobo]

<< Very similar to the fascist, nazi, maga dog whistle...eh?  >>

No it isn't. Not in the slightest degree. 

Fascism in one form or another has been and remains a major threat to liberal democracy since at least the 1920s. MAGA is its current incarnation. Christian Nationalism, in various guises, goes back much further. But the idea that America is somehow going to mass-convert to Islam, never mind be somehow forcibly converted to Islamic fundamentalism, is silly on its face. It's like worrying that invisible pod-people from Mars (real "illegal aliens") have been "replacing" us and secretly voting in our elections*.

(* = Then again, considering the insanity of Trump's anti-Earth policies...!)

It would be funny if it wasn't being used to keep gullible MAGAs frightened, and thereby easily manipulated.

[BEZARK]

MAGA is more stupid than gullible.

[Irie]

Rofl...alrighty...you are cool with your platitudes, not mine 

[Lobo]

Do you believe that the "Islamification of America" is a real thing; a serious threat?

Or that fascism is not?

[Irie]

I know that islamification is a threat and that your (et al) histrionic concern for fascism is less of a concern.

[Lobo]

Damn, Irie... that's too bad. You're much farther gone into MAGA insanity than I would have thought possible...

[Irie]

The modern left:  you either drink our kool-aid or you are maga...there is no middle ground any longer.

Damn, indeed!

[Navy]

And you are more blind and America hating than I would have thought possible. 

On Wednesday, February 18, 2026 at 10:44:25 PM UTC-6 Lobo wrote:

[Navy]

[Joan of quark]

This is just flat out ignorant. On the same level as the depictions in the past of black people as criminals.

I know some people who are Muslim and they are some of the sweetest, caring people I know.

Hate only breeds more hate.

[Navy]

All you have to do is look at what is happening in Europe. If you have any honesty or integrity you will admit there are some real problems happening with Islam over there. 

I don't want my country to follow Europe's lead.  It's not hate to want to prtect your culture, people,  laws and history from invaders.

Even Hitler showed kindness when it suited him.

[Susiejoe]

Navy.  The British Empire became so great by conquering and ruling over a ton of nations. One of the tactics they used to maintain control was to pit different groups against each other so those groups did not ban  together and go against the ones truly exploiting them and stealing the wealth of their homelands.  They have centuries of experience in such things.