The prospects for sustainable US China Relations

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The current trade imbalance between the US and the PRC is unsustainable. We have a 100 billion dollar trade imbalance with them and this directly arms and fosters the militarization of the chinese economy. Equally so our Offshoring (outsourcing) policies of exporting US jobs overseas to china directly affects our national security and overall the strength of our economy.  Trade tariffs alone will not be sufficient if we don't address the role of US multinational Corporations role in exporting US jobs overseas  to China. Tax subsidies for US multinational corporations are a short term fix. Long term sustainability should focus on ending the current US territorial tax system that sheilds MNC's overseas assets from taxation by the US government.

Furthermore if we wish to contain Nork Korea (DPRK)  we must stop our offshoring policies by US MNC's in the region. The DPRK is a proxy of the PRC and no action taken by them occurs without the PRC's blessing.  If war between the DPRK becomes necessary, then we must divest ourselves from our dependent trading relationship with them, as it is a direct threat to our national security 

In China (PRC) one could say the need arises for them to develop a pluralistic form of governance and allow for provincial and national elections. The rationale behind the People's republic of china is that it was formed out of the exploitative experience of colonialism. However, the PRC should acknowledge that its conquest of Tibet in the 1950's was equally a demonstration of colonialism by its own action of invading a sovereign independent nation. Thus neither the US or the PRC can escape their legacy of colonialism. However, the course for peace stems from the adoption of pluralistic democracy (multiple parties), ending the one party state in china, and developing an equitable balance of capitalism between the world's two largest economies.

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While the PRC is the dominant Hegemon in the region the Republic of Taiwan has the most democratically viable form of government that would best serve the mainland as well. Doctor Sun Yat sen would not have approved of communism, one party rule and corruption among the PRC communist cadres. Until China adopts pluralistic democracy (multiple parties) the USA will never allow the PRC to invade Taiwan. 



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On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 11:12:01 PM UTC-7, wakal...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
> American freedom and democracy slogan is not needed anywhere outside the US.  Such a slogan has been used for numerous regime changes, subjucation or attempted subjucation of other people, and hegemonic bullying all over the world.
> Wakalukong

Wrong, Taiwan has an indigenous democracy that is viable for its citizens.  The one party state symbolizes all that is wrong with china. One party rule is the same as Fascism, which the PRC is headed down that road if militarization of the economy by the PLA continues. Furthermore, the PRC does not allow the right to vote like taiwan does. Hence you have no voice and cant remove corrupt cadres.

Furthermore no Chairman of the CCP should serve more than a 10 year term. Xi Jin Ping has essentially declared himself communist bastard emperor; aping the Ming dynasty while still being aetheist sell outs.


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What doctor Sun Yat Sen taught: Nationalism, Democracy, and the People's Livelyhood (Tongmenghui)


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The Three Principles of the People, also translated as Three People's PrinciplesSan-min Doctrine, or Tridemism[1] is a political philosophy developed by Sun Yat-sen as part of a philosophy to make China a free, prosperous, and powerful nation. The three principles are often translated into and summarized as nationalism, democracy, and the livelihood of the people. He believed that the economic livelihood of the people depended on adopting the teachings of the American economist Henry George, writing that "The teachings of your single-taxer, Henry George, will be the basis of our program of reform."

Its influence and legacy of implementation is most apparent in the governmental organization of the Republic of China (ROC), which currently administers TaiwanPenghuQuemoy, and Matsu Islands. This philosophy has been claimed as the cornerstone of the Republic of China's policy as carried by the Kuomintang (KMT). The principles also appear in the first line of the Taiwanese national anthem.


In 1894 when the Revive China Society was formed, Sun only had two principles: nationalism and democracy. He picked up the third idea, welfare, during his three-year trip to Europe from 1896 to 1898.[2] He announced all three ideas in the spring of 1905, during another trip to Europe. Sun made the first speech of his life on the "Three Principles of the People" in Brussels.[3] He was able to organize the Revive China Society in many European cities. There were about 30 members in the Brussels branch at the time, 20 in Berlin, and 10 in Paris.[3]After the Tongmenghui was formed, Sun published an editorial in Min Bao (民報).[2] This was the first time the ideas were expressed in writing. Later on, in the anniversary issue of Min Bao, his long speech of the Three Principles was printed, and the editors of the newspaper discussed the issue of people's livelihood.[2]

The ideology is said to be heavily influenced by Sun's experiences in the United States and contains elements of the American progressive movement and the thought championed by Abraham Lincoln. Sun credited a line from Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, "government of the people, by the people, for the people", as an inspiration for the Three Principles.[3] Dr. Sun's Three Principles of the People are inter-connected as the guideline for China's modernization development as stretched by Hu Hanmin.[4]

The Principles[edit]

Mínzú[edit]

The Principle of Mínzú (民族主義, Mínzú Zhǔyì) is commonly rendered as "nationalism", literally "Populism" or "the People's rule/government", "Mínzú/People" clearly describing a nation rather than a group of persons united by a purpose, hence the commonly used and rather accurate translation "nationalism". By this, Sun meant independence from imperialist domination. To achieve this he believed that China must develop a "China-nationalism," Zhonghua Minzu, as opposed to an "ethnic-nationalism," so as to unite all of the different ethnicities of China, mainly composed by the five major groups of HanMongolsTibetansManchus, and the Muslims (such as the Uyghurs), which together are symbolized by the Five Color Flag of the First Republic (1911–1928). This sense of nationalism is different from the idea of "ethnocentrism," which equates to the same meaning of nationalism in Chinese language. To achieve this he believed that China must develop a "national consciousness" so as to unite the Han in the face of imperialist aggression. He argued that "minzu", which can be translated as "people", "nationality" or "race", were defined by sharing common blood, livelihood, religion, language and customs.

Mínquán[edit]

The Principle of Mínquán (民權主義, Mínquán Zhǔyì) is usually translated as "democracy"; literally "the People's power" or "government by the People." To Sun, it represented a Western constitutional government. He divided political life of his ideal for China into two sets of 'powers': the power of politics and the power of governance.

The power of politics (政權, zhèngquán) are the powers of the people to express their political wishes, similar to those vested in the citizenry or the parliaments in other countries, and is represented by the National Assembly. There are four of these powers: election (選舉), recall (罷免), initiative (創制), and referendum (複決). These may be equated to "civil rights".

The power of governance (治權, zhìquán) are the powers of administration. Here he expanded the European-American constitutional theory of a three-branch government and a system of checks and balances by incorporating traditional Chinese administrative tradition to create a government of five branches (each of which is called a Yuan (院, yuàn, literally "court"). The Legislative Yuan, the Executive Yuan, and the Judicial Yuan came from Montesquieuan thought; the Control Yuan and the Examination Yuan came from Chinese tradition. (Note that the Legislative Yuan was first intended as a branch of governance, not strictly equivalent to a national parliament.)

Mínshēng[edit]

The Principle of Mínshēng (民生主義, Mínshēng Zhǔyì) is sometimes translated as "the People's welfare/livelihood," "Government for the People". The concept may be understood as social welfare and as a direct criticism of the inadequacies of both socialism and capitalism. Here he was influenced by the American thinker Henry George. Sun intended to introduce a Georgist tax reform.[5] The land value tax in Taiwan is a legacy thereof. Sun Yat-sen said that land value tax as "the only means of supporting the government is an infinitely just, reasonable, and equitably distributed tax, and on it we will found our new system."[6]

He divided livelihood into four areas: clothing, food, housing, and healthcare; and planned out how an ideal (Chinese) government can take care of these for its people. Sun died before he was able to fully explain his vision of this Principle and it has been the subject of much debate within both the Chinese Nationalist and Communist Parties, with the latter suggesting that Sun supported socialism. Dr. Sun transliterated Mínshēng in the Chinese context but did not address in full detail before he died. Chiang Kai-shek further elaborated the Mínshēng principle of both the importance of social well-being and recreational activities for a modernized China in 1953 in Taiwan.[7]

Canon[edit]

The most definite (canonical) exposition of these principles was a book compiled from notes of speeches that Sun gave near Guangzhou (taken by a colleague, Huang Changgu, in consultation with Sun), and therefore is open to interpretation by various parties and interest groups (see below) and may not have been as fully explicated as Sun might have wished. Indeed, Chiang Kai-shek supplied an annex to the Principle of Mínshēng, covering two additional areas of livelihood: education and leisure, and explicitly arguing that Mínshēng was not to be seen as supporting either communism or socialism. The French historian of Chinese history, Marie-Claire Bergère's view is that the book is a work of propaganda. Its purpose is to appeal to action rather than to thought. As Sun Yat-sen declared, a principle is not simply an idea; it is "a faith, a power."[8]

Legacy[edit]

A sign on Quemoy facing Mainland Chinaproclaiming "Three Principles of the People Unites China"

The Three Principles of the People were claimed as the basis for the ideologies of the Kuomintang under Chiang Kai-shek, of the Communist Party of China under Mao Zedong, and of the Reorganized National Government of China under Wang Jingwei. The Kuomintang and the Communist Party of China largely agreed on the meaning of nationalism but differed sharply on the meaning of democracy and people's welfare, which the former saw in Western social democratic terms and the latter interpreted in Marxist and communist terms. The Japanese collaborationist government interpreted nationalism less in terms of anti-imperialism and more in terms of cooperating with Japan to advance theoretically pan-Asian, but in practice, typically Japanese interests.

Taiwan[edit]

There were several higher-education institutes (university departments/faculties and graduate institutes) in Taiwan that used to devote themselves to the 'research and development' of the Three Principles in this aspect. Since the late 1990s, these institutes have re-oriented themselves so that other political theories are also admitted as worthy of consideration, and have changed their names to be more ideologically neutral (such as Democratic Studies Institute).

In addition to this institutional phenomenon, many streets and businesses in Taiwan are named "Sān-mín" or for one of the three principles. In contrast to other politically-derived street names, there has been no major renaming of these streets or institutions in the 1990s.

Although the term "Sanmin Zhuyi" (三民主義) has been less explicitly invoked since the mid-1980s, no major political party has explicitly attacked its principles. The Three Principles of the People remains explicitly part of the platform of the Kuomintang and in the Constitution of the Republic of China.

As for Taiwan independence supporters, some have objections regarding the formal constitutional commitment to a particular set of political principles. Also, they have been against the mandatory indoctrination in schools and universities, which have now been abolished in a piecemeal fashion beginning in the late 1990s. However, there is little fundamental hostility to the substantive principles themselves. In these circles, attitudes toward the Three Principles of the People span the spectrum from indifference to reinterpreting the Three Principles of the People in a local Taiwanese context rather than in a pan-Chinese one.

Vietnam[edit]

The Vietnam Revolutionary League was a union of various Vietnamese nationalist groups, run by the pro-Chinese Việt Nam Quốc Dân Đảng. The Việt Nam Quốc Dân Đảng translates directly into Vietnamese Kuomintang, and it was based on the Chinese Kuomintang party. Its stated goal was for unity with China under the Three Principles of the People, and opposition to Japanese and French Imperialists.[9][10] The Revolutionary League was controlled by Nguyễn Hải Thần, who was born in China and could not speak Vietnamese[citation needed] . General Zhang Fakui shrewdly blocked the Communists of Vietnam, and Ho Chi Minh from entering the league, as his main goal was Chinese influence in Indo China.[11] The KMT utilized these Vietnamese nationalists during World War II against Japanese forces.[12]

Tibet[edit]

The pro-Kuomintang and pro-ROC Khamba revolutionary leader Pandatsang Rapga, who established the Tibet Improvement Party, adopted Dr. Sun's ideology including the Three Principles, incorporating them into his party and using Sun's doctrine as a model for his vision of Tibet after achieving his goal of overthrowing the Tibetan government.

Pandatsang Rapga hailed the Three Principles of Dr. Sun for helping Asian peoples against foreign imperialism and called for the feudal system to be overthrown. Rapga stated that "The Sanmin Zhuyi was intended for all peoples under the domination of foreigners, for all those who had been deprived of the rights of man. But it was conceived especially for the Asians. It is for this reason that I translated it. At that time, a lot of new ideas were spreading in Tibet", during an interview in 1975 by Dr. Heather Stoddard.[13] Dr. Sun's ideology was put into a Tibetan translation by Rapga.[14]

He believed that change in Tibet would only be possible in a manner similar to when the Qing Dynasty was overthrown in China. He borrowed the theories and ideas of the Kuomintang as the basis for his model for Tibet. The party was funded by the Kuomintang[15] and by the Pandatsang family.

Singapore[edit]

The establishment of the People's Power Party in May 2015 by opposition politician Goh Meng Seng marks the first time in contemporary Singaporean politics that a political party was formed with the Three Principles of the People and its system of having five branches of government as espoused by Sun Yat-Sen as its official guiding ideology.[16]

The People's Power Party has adapted the ideas with a slight modification to the concepts of the Five Powers in order to stay relevant to modern contemporary political and social structures. The emphasis is put on the separation of the Five Powers which naturally means the separation of certain institutions from the Executive's control.

The Power of Impeachment (originally under the Control Yuan) has been expanded to include various contemporary functional government institutions. Examples include the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau, advocacy of Ombudsman Commission, Equal Opportunity Commission, Free Press and Freedom of Expression.

The Power of Examination has been adapted and modified to fit the modern concept of Selection for both political leaders as well as civil servants. This involves institutions like the Elections Department and Public Service Commission.

The People's Power Party advocates that the institutions included in these two powers, namely the Power of Impeachment and the Power of Selection, to be put under the supervision of Singapore's Elected President.[17]

See also[edit]

References[edit]

  1. Jump up^ Stéphane Corcuff (editor) Memories of the Future: National Identity Issues and the Search for a New TaiwanISBN 0765607921
  2. Jump up to:a b c Li Chien-Nung, translated by Teng, Ssu-yu, Jeremy Ingalls. The political history of China, 1840–1928. Princeton, NJ: Van Nostrand, 1956; rpr. Stanford University Press. ISBN 0-8047-0602-6ISBN 978-0-8047-0602-5. pp. 203–206.
  3. Jump up to:a b c Sharman, Lyon (1968). Sun Yat-sen: His life and its meaning, a critical biography. Stanford: Stanford University Press. pp. 94, 271.
  4. Jump up^ "+{中華百科全書‧典藏版}+". ap6.pccu.edu.tw. Retrieved 2015-12-24.
  5. Jump up^ Trescott, Paul B. (2007). Jingji Xue: The History of the Introduction of Western Economic Ideas Into China, 1850-1950. Chinese University Press. pp. 46–48. ISBN 9789629962425'The teachings of your single-taxer, Henry George, will be the basis of our program of reform.'
  6. Jump up^ Post, Louis Freeland (April 12, 1912). "Sun Yat Sen's Economic Program for China". The Public. 15: 349. Retrieved 8 November 2016.
  7. Jump up^ "〔民生主義育樂兩篇補述〕". terms.naer.edu.tw. Retrieved 2015-12-24.
  8. Jump up^ Bergère, Marie-Claire (translated by Janet Lloyd) (1994). Sun Yat-sen. Stanford: Stanford University Press. p. 353. ISBN 0-8047-3170-5.
  9. Jump up^ James P. Harrison (1989). The endless war: Vietnam's struggle for independence. Columbia University Press. p. 81. ISBN 0-231-06909-X. Retrieved 2010-11-30.
  10. Jump up^ United States. Joint Chiefs of Staff. Historical Division (1982). The History of the Joint Chiefs of Staff: History of the Indochina incident, 1940-1954. Michael Glazier. p. 56. Retrieved 2010-11-30.
  11. Jump up^ Oscar Chapuis (2000). The last emperors of Vietnam: from Tu Duc to Bao Dai. Greenwood Publishing Group. p. 106. ISBN 0-313-31170-6. Retrieved 2010-11-30.
  12. Jump up^ William J. Duiker (1976). The rise of nationalism in Vietnam, 1900-1941. Cornell University Press. p. 272. ISBN 0-8014-0951-9. Retrieved 2010-11-30.
  13. Jump up^ Gray Tuttle (2007). Tibetan Buddhists in the Making of Modern China (illustrated ed.). Columbia University Press. p. 152. ISBN 0-231-13447-9. Retrieved 2011-12-27.
  14. Jump up^ Melvyn C. Goldstein (1991). A history of modern Tibet, 1913-1951: the demise of the Lamaist state. Volume 1 of A History of Modern Tibet (reprint, illustrated ed.). University of California Press. p. 450. ISBN 0-520-07590-0. Retrieved 2011-12-27.
  15. Jump up^ Hsiao-ting Lin (2010). Modern China's ethnic frontiers: a journey to the west. Volume 67 of Routledge studies in the modern history of Asia (illustrated ed.). Taylor & Francis. p. 95. ISBN 0-415-58264-4. Retrieved 2011-12-27.
  16. Jump up^ ["http://www.tremeritus.com/2015/05/19/goh-submits-application-to-set-up-peoples-power-party/" "http://www.tremeritus.com/2015/05/19/goh-submits-application-to-set-up-peoples-power-party/"] Check |url= value (help) Missing or empty |title= (help)
  17. Jump up^ "People's Power Party - PPP". facebook.com. Retrieved 2015-12-24.

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Tom Jigme Wheat

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Taiwan has an advantageous nature to its political system as compared to the PRC. Having multiple parties, Taiwanese citizens have a choice to vote out the party that has either become static or reactionary. In the PRC, citizens there do not have the choice, other than the solitary whim of a communist bastard emperor who denies universal suffrage.


On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 7:24:47 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:

> On Saturday, August 11, 2018 at 10:37:33 PM UTC-4, Tom Jigme Wheat wrote:
> > What doctor Sun Yat Sen taught: Nationalism, Democracy, and the People's Livelyhood (Tongmenghui)
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> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Principles_of_the_People
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> > The Three Principles of the People, also translated as Three People's Principles, San-min Doctrine, or Tridemism[1] is a political philosophy developed by Sun Yat-sen as part of a philosophy to make China a free, prosperous, and powerful nation. The three principles are often translated into and summarized as nationalism, democracy, and the livelihood of the people. He believed that the economic livelihood of the people depended on adopting the teachings of the American economist Henry George, writing that "The teachings of your single-taxer, Henry George, will be the basis of our program of reform."
> >
> > Its influence and legacy of implementation is most apparent in the governmental organization of the Republic of China (ROC), which currently administers Taiwan, Penghu, Quemoy, and Matsu Islands. This philosophy has been claimed as the cornerstone of the Republic of China's policy as carried by the Kuomintang (KMT). The principles also appear in the first line of the Taiwanese national anthem.
> >
> >
> >
> > In 1894 when the Revive China Society was formed, Sun only had two principles: nationalism and democracy. He picked up the third idea, welfare, during his three-year trip to Europe from 1896 to 1898.[2] He announced all three ideas in the spring of 1905, during another trip to Europe. Sun made the first speech of his life on the "Three Principles of the People" in Brussels.[3] He was able to organize the Revive China Society in many European cities. There were about 30 members in the Brussels branch at the time, 20 in Berlin, and 10 in Paris.[3]After the Tongmenghui was formed, Sun published an editorial in Min Bao (民報).[2] This was the first time the ideas were expressed in writing. Later on, in the anniversary issue of Min Bao, his long speech of the Three Principles was printed, and the editors of the newspaper discussed the issue of people's livelihood.[2]
> >
> > The ideology is said to be heavily influenced by Sun's experiences in the United States and contains elements of the American progressive movement and the thought championed by Abraham Lincoln. Sun credited a line from Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, "government of the people, by the people, for the people", as an inspiration for the Three Principles.[3] Dr. Sun's Three Principles of the People are inter-connected as the guideline for China's modernization development as stretched by Hu Hanmin.[4]
> >
> > The Principles[edit]
> > Mínzú[edit]
> > The Principle of Mínzú (民族主義, Mínzú Zhǔyì) is commonly rendered as "nationalism", literally "Populism" or "the People's rule/government", "Mínzú/People" clearly describing a nation rather than a group of persons united by a purpose, hence the commonly used and rather accurate translation "nationalism". By this, Sun meant independence from imperialist domination. To achieve this he believed that China must develop a "China-nationalism," Zhonghua Minzu, as opposed to an "ethnic-nationalism," so as to unite all of the different ethnicities of China, mainly composed by the five major groups of Han, Mongols, Tibetans, Manchus, and the Muslims (such as the Uyghurs), which together are symbolized by the Five Color Flag of the First Republic (1911–1928). This sense of nationalism is different from the idea of "ethnocentrism," which equates to the same meaning of nationalism in Chinese language. To achieve this he believed that China must develop a "national consciousness" so as to unite the Han in the face of imperialist aggression. He argued that "minzu", which can be translated as "people", "nationality" or "race", were defined by sharing common blood, livelihood, religion, language and customs.
> >
> > Mínquán[edit]
> > The Principle of Mínquán (民權主義, Mínquán Zhǔyì) is usually translated as "democracy"; literally "the People's power" or "government by the People." To Sun, it represented a Western constitutional government. He divided political life of his ideal for China into two sets of 'powers': the power of politics and the power of governance.
> >
> > The power of politics (政權, zhèngquán) are the powers of the people to express their political wishes, similar to those vested in the citizenry or the parliaments in other countries, and is represented by the National Assembly. There are four of these powers: election (選舉), recall (罷免), initiative (創制), and referendum (複決). These may be equated to "civil rights".
> >
> > The power of governance (治權, zhìquán) are the powers of administration. Here he expanded the European-American constitutional theory of a three-branch government and a system of checks and balances by incorporating traditional Chinese administrative tradition to create a government of five branches (each of which is called a Yuan (院, yuàn, literally "court"). The Legislative Yuan, the Executive Yuan, and the Judicial Yuan came from Montesquieuan thought; the Control Yuan and the Examination Yuan came from Chinese tradition. (Note that the Legislative Yuan was first intended as a branch of governance, not strictly equivalent to a national parliament.)
> >
> > Mínshēng[edit]
> > Main article: Socialist ideology of the Kuomintang
> > The Principle of Mínshēng (民生主義, Mínshēng Zhǔyì) is sometimes translated as "the People's welfare/livelihood," "Government for the People". The concept may be understood as social welfare and as a direct criticism of the inadequacies of both socialism and capitalism. Here he was influenced by the American thinker Henry George. Sun intended to introduce a Georgist tax reform.[5] The land value tax in Taiwan is a legacy thereof. Sun Yat-sen said that land value tax as "the only means of supporting the government is an infinitely just, reasonable, and equitably distributed tax, and on it we will found our new system."[6]
> >
> > He divided livelihood into four areas: clothing, food, housing, and healthcare; and planned out how an ideal (Chinese) government can take care of these for its people. Sun died before he was able to fully explain his vision of this Principle and it has been the subject of much debate within both the Chinese Nationalist and Communist Parties, with the latter suggesting that Sun supported socialism. Dr. Sun transliterated Mínshēng in the Chinese context but did not address in full detail before he died. Chiang Kai-shek further elaborated the Mínshēng principle of both the importance of social well-being and recreational activities for a modernized China in 1953 in Taiwan.[7]
> >
> > Canon[edit]
> > The most definite (canonical) exposition of these principles was a book compiled from notes of speeches that Sun gave near Guangzhou (taken by a colleague, Huang Changgu, in consultation with Sun), and therefore is open to interpretation by various parties and interest groups (see below) and may not have been as fully explicated as Sun might have wished. Indeed, Chiang Kai-shek supplied an annex to the Principle of Mínshēng, covering two additional areas of livelihood: education and leisure, and explicitly arguing that Mínshēng was not to be seen as supporting either communism or socialism. The French historian of Chinese history, Marie-Claire Bergère's view is that the book is a work of propaganda. Its purpose is to appeal to action rather than to thought. As Sun Yat-sen declared, a principle is not simply an idea; it is "a faith, a power."[8]
> >
> > Legacy[edit]
> >
> > On Friday, August 10, 2018 at 9:16:38 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 11:59:09 PM UTC-4, Tom Jigme Wheat wrote:
> > > > While the PRC is the dominant Hegemon in the region the Republic of Taiwan has the most democratically viable form of government that would best servce the mainland as well.
> > >
> > > Just on your say so?
> > >
> > > Doctor Sun Yatsen would not hjave aqpproved lof communism, one party rule and corruption among the PRC communist cadres. Until China adopts pluralistic democracy the USA will never allow the PRC to invade Taiwan.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > thomaswheat1975
> > > > http:wwww.georgebushconspiracy.com
> > > > CIAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-7, Resty Wyse wrote:

> > > > > On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 1:57:51 PM UTC-7, Tom Jigme Wheat wrote:
> > > > > > The current trade imbalance between the US and the PRC is unsustainable. We have a 100 billion dollar trade imbalance with them and this directly arms and fosters the militarization of the chinese economy. Equally so our Offshoring (outsourcing) policies of exporting US jobs overseas to china directly affects our national security and overall the strength of our economy.  Trade tariffs alone will not be sufficient if we don't address the role of US multinational Corporations role in exporting US jobs overseas  to China. Tax subsidies for US multinational corporations are a short term fix. Long term sustainability should focus on ending the current US territorial tax system that sheilds MNC's overseas assets from taxation by the US government.
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> > > > > > Furthermore if we wish to contain Nork Korea (DPRK)  we must stop our offshoring policies by US MNC's in the region. The DPRK is a proxy of the PRC and no action taken by them occurs without the PRC's blessing.  If war between the DPRK becomes necessary, then we must divest ourselves from our dependent trading relationship with them, as it is a direct threat to our national security
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> > > > > > In China (PRC) one could say the need arises for them to develop a pluralistic form of governance and allow for provincial and national elections.
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> 1. Western style representative democracy is actually fake democracy.
> Theoretically, the elected government of the US governs with the consent of the people. When asked, 3 out of 4 people said otherwise. They did not think the government has consent of the governed.
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> http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/july_2017/few_think_government_has_consent_of_the_governed
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> 2. Western style democracy is not about solve peoples/the nation's problems. It is about securing votes however one can.
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> Imagine two guys running from a bear, the winner does not need to outrun the bear, he just needs to outrun the other guy.
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> A country facing many problems about to elect a leader between two candidates is like two guys running from a bear. The winner does not need to have the will nor the ability to deal with the people's/nation's problems, he or she just have to convince the voters that the other candidate is worse.
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> 3. Sun Yatsen had also emphasized "using the party to govern the nation" (以党治国) as his path to achieve the goals "Sanmin Zhuyi" (三民主義). Both the Nationalist and the Communist government follow his direction. One failed, one is successful.
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> 4. The PRC has, so far, successfully delivered real democracy to the mainland Chinese. Election is useful in low level and/or polity. People could usually solve problems close to them. Pluralistic provincial and national elections should be considered harmful. No matter how hard the elites try, many citizens would still prefer to be rationally irrational and/or rationally ignorant.
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> > > > > The form of government of any foreign country is none of our business, and we must bot interfere, do any "regime change", create any revolt, stir up trouble for any foreign country.  These are our biggest trouble today.  No foreign government trust us anymore.

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> > > > > > The rationale behind the People's republic of china is that it was formed out of the exploitative experience of colonialism. However, the PRC should acknowledge that its conquest of Tibet in the 1950's was equally a demonstration of colonialism by its own action of invading a sovereign independent nation.
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> > > > > Don't be so brainwashed by our own government's propaganda and lies.  Tibet has been part of China for many generations way before the PRC existed.

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> > > > > > Thus neither the US or the PRC can escape their legacy of colonialism. However, the course for peace stems from the adoption of pluralistic democracy (multiple parties), ending the one party state in china, and developing an equitable balance of capitalism between the world's two largest economies.
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> > > > > How they governed themselves are none of our business.  China is doing very well as they are today.  Leave them alone.  We have created a huge mess around the world already.

Tom Jigme Wheat

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Universal definition of Democracy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

Democracy (Greek: δημοκρατία dēmokratía, literally "rule by people"), in modern usage, has three senses - all for a system of government where the citizens exercise power by voting. In a direct democracy, the citizens as a whole form a governing body, and vote directly on each issue, e.g. on the passage of a particular tax law. In a representative democracy the citizens elect representatives from among themselves. These representatives meet to form a governing body, such as a legislature. In a constitutional democracy the powers of the majority are exercised within the framework of a representative democracy, but the constitution limits the majority and protects the minority, usually through the enjoyment by all of certain individual rights, e.g. freedom of speech, or freedom of association.[1][2] "Rule of the majority" is sometimes referred to as democracy.[3] Democracy is a system of processing conflicts in which outcomes depend on what participants do, but no single force controls what occurs and its outcomes.
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Tom Jigme Wheat

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In terms of world prosperity as a whole the US as dominant hegemon has administered its role most benignly, if you want to compare it to 19th century european colonialism or earlier bygone eras. As in terms of every empire there is a rise and fall and in truth we are in the early stages of decline. We can reverse this trend if we reinvigorate the US manufacturing base to levels seen in the 1950's and 1960's. Tax rates that were on the wealthy back then should be put back in use well. 
thomaswheat1975 

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Aug 13 (1 day ago)
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In terms of past empires, the USA has been the most benign hegemon. If you compare it to the British raj or other 19th century european colonial powers the maxim holds water. With every nation there is a rise3 and fall. Currently the USA is in Decline. One way to reverse this trend is for the USA to reinvigorate its Domestic Manufacturing Base, and to restore taxation levels on the rich to where they where under the Eisenhower and Kennedy presidential administrations.

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On Monday, August 13, 2018 at 3:27:03 AM UTC-7, ltlee1 wrote:
> I will distinguish between the American government and the Americans. The Alt-Right protest and the counter protest is a case in point. The Trump administration certainly does not represent the American people in general.

As all Americans will tell you, the people voted for the government, therefore the government represents the people.  The Trump administration certainly does  represent the American people in general.  And the news, the general feeling of the public shows the American people support Trump's actions.

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The US empire used to be benign, but no more.  Today, it acts purely in its own interest.  For example, any country with the audacity to dump the petrodollar will be faced with regime change.  And everything that goes out from the US to East Asia today has only one motive -- China containment.  And the US ambassador to South Korea has just pronounced that it is too early to end the Korean War (bullshit).  And the US is erasing the Asia-Pacific and replacing it with "Indo-Pacific", and tagging it with the slogan a "free and democratic Indo-Pacific".  But the real reason is the US is determined to control the oil resources in the South China Sea, and wants India to contribute its huge population as cannon fodder in a future war with China.

I say it again, the US empire used to be a benign power (and I was its admirer), but no more.

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On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 5:10:02 AM UTC-4, wakal...@yahoo.com.sg wrote:
> The US empire used to be benign, but no more.  Today, it acts purely in its own interest.  For example, any country with the audacity to dump the petrodollar will be faced with regime change.  And everything that goes out from the US to East Asia today has only one motive -- China containment.  And the US ambassador to South Korea has just pronounced that it is too early to end the Korean War (bullshit).  And the US is erasing the Asia-Pacific and replacing it with "Indo-Pacific", and tagging it with the slogan a "free and democratic Indo-Pacific".  But the real reason is the US is determined to control the oil resources in the South China Sea, and wants India to contribute its huge population as cannon fodder in a future war with China.

Like China's first emperor, US leaders thought and think US global hegemony could last forever. This kind thinking mislead them to equate US global hegemony 
with world interest.
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On Tuesday, August 7, 2018 at 11:43:37 AM UTC-7, Tom Jigme Wheat wrote:

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If China opened its markets to US businesses thereby decreasing the 400 billion dollar trade deficit, tariffs would not be necessary. Conversely the blame for this imbalance is not shared by china alone as US companies have outsourced a large percentage of the manufacturing base to china. Only a reform of the territorial tax system which would allow overseas profits to be taxed will address the problem.

Tom Jigme Wheat

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Conspicuous Consumption is not a long term sustainable policy, if there is not a system of progressive price controls. Both USA and China have rapidly growing Consumer Price Indexes. This is symptomatic of inflation, international market forces, & Corporate profit margin hikes.
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