[podcasters] Submissions to Zune Marketplace
shepdave2003
So I was following the discussion about Zune, i.e., Todd Cochrane's
problem with audio and video in the feeds, and it occurred to me to
wonder: is my podcast in the Zune directory?
So I went to the Zune blog, saw Rob Greenlee's post about how to
submit to Zune, and then tried to download the Zune software.
As far as I can tell, it's Windows only. Am I wrong? So if I'm a
podcaster who uses the Macintosh platform, not only can I not install
the Zune software on my machine, I can't check to see whether my show
works with Zune. I can't tell if I'm in the Zune Marketplace
directory. Indeed, if I'm not there, I can't even submit it the
"normal" way.
Am I wrong here? Did I miss the link at the Zune website to a
Mac-friendly version of the software? Or is Microsoft once again
trying to pretend that Mac computers don't exist?
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James Wadsworth
Why would they put it out for Macs? Who on a Mac would use it over iTunes?
But as far as I know, the Zune Marketplace still hasn't added my podcast in, and I submitted the day after it came out...
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Subject: [podcasters] Submissions to Zune Marketplace
So I was following the discussion about Zune, i.e., Todd Cochrane's
problem with audio and video in the feeds, and it occurred to me to
wonder: is my podcast in the Zune directory?
So I went to the Zune blog, saw Rob Greenlee's post about how to
submit to Zune, and then tried to download the Zune software.
As far as I can tell, it's Windows only. Am I wrong? So if I'm a
podcaster who uses the Macintosh platform, not only can I not install
the Zune software on my machine, I can't check to see whether my show
works with Zune. I can't tell if I'm in the Zune Marketplace
directory. Indeed, if I'm not there, I can't even submit it the
"normal" way.
Am I wrong here? Did I miss the link at the Zune website to a
Mac-friendly version of the software? Or is Microsoft once again
trying to pretend that Mac computers don't exist?
Dave Shepherd
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Geek -
I have tried to submit mine repeatedly, even had assurances from Rob
it would be submitted the following day(over a month ago) and still I
only see the `leading` WoW podcasts. I guess only the popular get
priority.
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Mike
I as well submitted mine within days of it's release. This is ridiculous
that it is taking this long. It is great that some are having huge success.
I have yet to see one hit.
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Brains Matter
I had the same problem - I'm a mac user, so the software was useless
to me - I tried to submit it via a Windows machine (and had huge
problems with it), but I still have no idea if it's on there or not.
(I submitted the day after it came out as well)
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nycedeli
Rob,
Can we get an update about submissions to Zune Marketplace? How can
non-Windows-using podcasters verify that their podcast listing has
been accepted? Is there still a 20,000 podcast backlog?
Please, somebody, anybody in the know, please tell us what you know or
have heard about the current status of the Zune podcast directory and
its podcast listings.
Thanks.
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--- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "nycedeli" <lavenividivici@...>
wrote:
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> Rob,
> Can we get an update about submissions to Zune Marketplace? How can
> non-Windows-using podcasters verify that their podcast listing has
> been accepted? Is there still a 20,000 podcast backlog?
>
> Please, somebody, anybody in the know, please tell us what you know or
> have heard about the current status of the Zune podcast directory and
> its podcast listings.
>
> Thanks.
>
Since we haven't had any updates for a while, I suspect Rob doesn't
work for Microsoft anymore, or at least not in that department. With
the tiny trickle of podcasts being added, it's appearent they just
don't care about podcasters.
You might want to try postal mailing. The only address I came up with
was for Microsoft but you could try addressing it to the Zune
department. It probably has just a good a chance as posting anything.
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patriotworld
I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast in Zune
Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but it just
hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able to subscribe
through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured I'd pass
that on fyi...
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 8:42 AM, writerpatrick <writerpatrick@netzero.net>
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> --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com <podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "nycedeli" <lavenividivici@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Rob,
> > Can we get an update about submissions to Zune Marketplace? How can
> > non-Windows-using podcasters verify that their podcast listing has
> > been accepted? Is there still a 20,000 podcast backlog?
> >
> > Please, somebody, anybody in the know, please tell us what you know or
> > have heard about the current status of the Zune podcast directory and
> > its podcast listings.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
>
> Since we haven't had any updates for a while, I suspect Rob doesn't
> work for Microsoft anymore, or at least not in that department. With
> the tiny trickle of podcasts being added, it's appearent they just
> don't care about podcasters.
>
> You might want to try postal mailing. The only address I came up with
> was for Microsoft but you could try addressing it to the Zune
> department. It probably has just a good a chance as posting anything.
>
>
>
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On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast in Zune
> Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but it just
> hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able to subscribe
> through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured I'd pass
> that on fyi...
You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace from
your own Web site. The URL format is:
zune://subscribe/?[podcast_title]=[podcast_url]
For example, the one-click subscription I set up on listener request
for our upcoming fantasy podcast is:
zune://subscribe/?PodCastle=http://feeds.feedburner.com/PodCastle_Main
Rob Walch also has a convenient chicklet on his site for a link image:
http://podcast411.com/07img/1click_Zune.gif
I don't have any inside information on this, BTW. I found it by
Googling "Zune one-click." I don't even have a machine running
Windows in my house, so I couldn't confirm for myself whether this
works, but listeners tell me it does.
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Todd Cochrane
Its relative easy to put the link on your webpage, this is the format.
zune://subscribe/?Geek+News+Central=http://www.geeknewscentral.com/podcast.xml
patriotworld wrote:
>
> I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast in Zune
> Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but it just
> hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able to
> subscribe
> through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured I'd pass
> that on fyi...
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 8:42 AM, writerpatrick
> <writerpatrick@netzero.net <mailto:writerpatrick%40netzero.net>>
> wrote:
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> > --- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:podcasters%40yahoogroups.com> <podcasters%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "nycedeli" <lavenividivici@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Rob,
> > > Can we get an update about submissions to Zune Marketplace? How can
> > > non-Windows-using podcasters verify that their podcast listing has
> > > been accepted? Is there still a 20,000 podcast backlog?
> > >
> > > Please, somebody, anybody in the know, please tell us what you know or
> > > have heard about the current status of the Zune podcast directory and
> > > its podcast listings.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> >
> > Since we haven't had any updates for a while, I suspect Rob doesn't
> > work for Microsoft anymore, or at least not in that department. With
> > the tiny trickle of podcasts being added, it's appearent they just
> > don't care about podcasters.
> >
> > You might want to try postal mailing. The only address I came up with
> > was for Microsoft but you could try addressing it to the Zune
> > department. It probably has just a good a chance as posting anything.
> >
> >
> >
>
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writerpatrick
--- In podcasters@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Eley" <SFEley@...> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:53 PM, patriotworld <patriotworld@...>
wrote:
> > I just got an email from a listener asking me to list my podcast
in Zune
> > Marketplace and I told him that I had submitted it long ago but
it just
> > hasn't shown up yet. He emailed me back to say that he was able
to subscribe
> > through Podcast Pickle for his Zune. Not sure how, but figured
I'd pass
> > that on fyi...
>
> You can set up one-click subscriptions into the Zune Marketplace
from
> your own Web site. The URL format is:
I've got a subscribe button on my site that allows for this and I
Podcast Pickle added on amongst it's subscription options.
Unfortunately, many Zune owners don't know enough to look beyond Zune
or iTunes for podcasts so many people won't know the podcast exists
if it's not listed on Zune. It's like trying to run a business
without being listed in the Yellow Pages. You can still do business,
but it makes it all the more difficult.
It's been about FOUR months now since they started taking submissions
and still none of them have been added. (At least no more than a
trickle, and how those got there is questionable.) And this is after
they promised to add most of the submissions. That's just bad
management.
I wonder how long it will be before iTunes decides to start charging
for listings.
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Geek -
I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
of the community, eh?
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I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each submission before
allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so
behind they just gave up.
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Ramble Redhead
I have to agree the process over there is very screwy - I had heard
about it from a fellow podcaster and at the time I was only using my
mac and couldn't even upload the show to the site. This other
podcaster uploaded his and my show at the same time - my show is up
and his is not!
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Geek -
Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
doesn't work there anymore.
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Les Zaldor
Recently there was an episode of The Podcasting Underground which had an
interview with Rob, he stated that they go through quite a review process.
I'd assume that he's still working for Microsoft, but just very busy?
http://www.podcastingunderground.com/insider-look-into-podcasting-and-the-zune
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@gmail.com> wrote:
> Listening to every submission? Wow, talk about censorship waiting to
> happen. Yeah, I am giving up Zune as a distribution platform on that
> info. I see Rob isn't refuting these points, so I agree he likely
> doesn't work there anymore.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Mike <koldark@gmail.com<koldark%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree. I thought I heard that they are listening to each submission
> before
> > allowing it in. So either that means we all produce shit, or they are so
> > behind they just gave up.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Geek - <cdngeek@gmail.com<cdngeek%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I am increasingly upset about Zune, and have already given up on
> > > checking if my podcast is there. Rob said it would be added the next
> > > day when I talked to him 2 months ago, and still nothing. They have
> > > been taking submissions for over 6 months and the number they have is
> > > pitiful. So much for Microsoft being the one big name to become a part
> > > of the community, eh?
> > >
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Todd Cochrane
Rob still works at Zune and he was pretty clear early on that shows
would be reviewed before inclusion. Across the board we have seen a huge
increase in listners from those that are on the Zune Marketplace and
those that have done the simple thing of putting the subscribe icon on
their site. You do not have to be in the Zune Marketplace to have your
content subscribed to. I show that most of my new zune listeners have
come from people subscribing either off blubrry.com or my own site.
The new listener numbers from Zune is pretty impressive, audience market
share is growing with Zune capturing close to 20% of many shows
audiences these are new listeners not cross-overs. Say what you will
they have brought an enormous number of new listeners to the space.
But here are some points you should consider. Make Sure your RSS feed is
Valid at all times I can almost bet a invalid RSS feed will make your
show less likely to be added to the marketplace. Make sure your RSS
feeds meta data is complete, the number of people that have jacked up
RSS feeds is beyond belief. http://www.feedvalidator.org
My opinion only and Not sure if this matters for the Zune folks but take
sometime and make sure your website is presentable a shitty looking
website or one that does not have basic data like a contact email, rss
icon, zune icon etc gives the appearance you have not done your
homework. More podcasters have lost advertising deals working with us
simply because the vendor looked at the persons website and said no
thanks they did not even listen to the content.
Another thing is if you have questions why not email rob directly..
Todd...
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Geek -
Todd,
I agree with almost all of your points. A person's website should have
no impact on inclusion in a directory. There is no connection at all
between the two. For podcasters not overly eager for ads wouldn't see
this as a major sticking point. In fact I find my website gets
relatively little traffic, most of my traffic coming from aggregators
and podcatchers, and I spent a lot of time getting my look just right
and keeping it that way. As well, I don't think, with the resources at
Microsoft, that it would be too much to ask that if they reject a
submission, they at least say why. Even a script generated email would
be fine as long as it said what the person can do to rectify the
situation for resubmission. Lastly, I have emailed Rob 4 times since
his 'next work day' promise and received not a single reply. 'Email
him' only works if the person bothers to respond.
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Again I don't know if the website appearance has anything to do with it
but it was a general suggestion. I do think that ones website has a huge
impact on a show. I never subscribe to a show without going to their
website first looking at the content they are publishing and see if they
can be considered an authority in the topic they are covering.
As a general note and nothing related to the Zune marketplace. I really
believe that Leo Laporte summed it up very good in saying If your
Podcasting you need to be Blogging and Videocasting, If you Blogging you
need to Podcasting and Videocasting. If your Videocasting you need to be
blogging and podcasting. Sites that are only doing one of the above are
at risk of being marginalized. You have people that consume content
differently, some like to listen, some like to watch and some like to
read and if you want to grow your audience you better be hitting on all
three cylinders.
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Todd,
Not all of us can afford the bandwidth and production costs of
videocasting. I hit on 2 of those, though, and I am ok with not having
invested the cash to get into the video space. Not all of us want to
form the next TWiT network, Rev 3, or other podcast network. Some of
us just want to do the best podcast we can.
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On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Todd Cochrane <ceo@rawvoice.com> wrote:
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> As a general note and nothing related to the Zune marketplace. I really
> believe that Leo Laporte summed it up very good in saying If your
> Podcasting you need to be Blogging and Videocasting,
That's overgeneral. The choice should be driven by the material
you're presenting. This is like saying that every show on radio
should also be on TV and in print. Maybe _some_ can benefit from
that, but not all.
My podcasts narrate short stories. Our general model for delivery is
'audiobook' style. A video podcast would do...what, for us, exactly?
It's theoretically possible that I could point a camera at myself or
someone else reading a story aloud, but how does that add value?
> [ . . . ] You have people that consume content
> differently, some like to listen, some like to watch and some like to
> read and if you want to grow your audience you better be hitting on all
> three cylinders.
My contrary advice would be "Get really good at one thing." And
there's less point in adding additional complexity to 'grow your
audience' until you've hit the saturation point where your audience
isn't growing much in the medium you've got. Most of us still have a
long way to go there.
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In your case one thing for sure, is that what Leo suggest would not make
sense.
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> That's overgeneral. The choice should be driven by the material
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Sure it is over general, but it is true if your subject matter applies.
Let's start with just audio and blogging. How many podcasters have content
beyond just the audio? And again, this goes to the type of content you have.
If you have a podcast about independent musicians, how much better would you
be servicing your audience if you blogged about the bands you play? Tour
dates perhaps? Tips from the bands. Reviews of the music.
How about tech podcasts. You can't possibly fit all the tech news and info
into one show. Blogging about what didn't fit into the show will bring your
audience for more, and consistently. Now you have ears and eyeballs.
Again, this is if it is relevant to your content, and if you want to grow
and nurture your audience. And it is just advice. Shows like Mr. Eley's may
not benefit from video, but blogging sure would fit in.
There is no boilerplate to web content, but there sure is a lot of great
ideas in how to increase your audience, or just entertain your existing
audience with more than just one form.
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While there has been some proof so far that video can drive more hits, I am
with Steve, unless he can afford to spend thousands of dollars with a full
writing staff and production crew and actors, it isn't worth him video
taping himself reading a story. I think many of the audio podcasts aren't
really setup for video or is conducive to video. I don't know about many of
you, but my time for podcasts is at work. I subscribe to GeekBrief and
WebbAlert, but I don't usually watch them. I play the video, ignore it, and
listen to the audio. I know both Cali and Morgan are very cute, but it gets
boring watching a single shot on them. On the other side, I don't "watch"
Tiki Bar at work.
While I respect Leo, he has one thing most of us don't, celebrity status. He
does a TV show, a radio show, and because of these connections has gained
access to many things most of us could only dream of having partial access
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I disagree with the multiple format idea. You podcast
because it is mobile, listeners can download to ipods
etc. It's the old " Do one thing and do it well." I
want to do 3 podcasts, but to blog and video all three
would be way to much. The content would suffer. My
first one , now on it's 13th episode is almost where i
want it. I hope to start my 2nd podcast by June.
So i am going to stick with one format and focus on
that format only.
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Bob
This is just my opinion and should not be considered anything but my
opinion. But Let me explain my logic behind the multi-pronged approach,
and why it has allowed my shows to grow every single month for 3 plus
years. Blogging everyday keeps my listeners engaged in "me" and my site
on a daily basis, plus putting out 2 shows a week guarantees that I am
on there scheduled play list 2 days a week, and in their news readers or
visiting the website 7 days a week. This builds engagment to amazing
levels. With the Video stuff I do on a regular basis as supplement aka a
couple of videos a month it pulls in new listeners as I distribute those
videos to 11 other websites I just don't put them on my website.
Case in point; In 2007 and 2008 Andy McCaskey (Slashdot Review) and I
covered CES which resulted in us distributing out about 100 videos each
year or a multiple of 1100 totals to 11 sites . In 2007 those videos
alone did over 13 million views across all of the 11 video sites. Many
of those video views were from vendors placing those videos on their
company home pages. 2008 is tracking the same. While I know every
podcaster will not have a convention that surrounds their topic area, if
you do you can get extra bang for the buck by going getting a tax write
off and covering the show.
When Google indexes my site it has over 7000 pages of materials to
index. Intermixed in their are 356 audio podcast and 200+ Video Podcast,
and while I understand you are just getting started I realized three
years ago that the combination of Blogging, Podcasting and then Video
starting in 2007 was bringing me new listeners from the combined effort.
What was the net effect.
I was able to quit my day job in October 2007, my website, podcast and
video cast are what put meat on the table. I do not draw a salary from
RawVoice every penny we earn their goes back into the company. Others
using this strategy that I have consulted with make full time wages on a
part time basis. So I know it works, the key though remains the topic
you are covering it will be a factor in whether this works or not. Time
is a big issue and always has been so I understand the time commitment
to do this.
Even if you are not trying to quit your day job with blogging about your
topic each day, you gain Google authority which will help people find
you when they are searching for your show topic. While not every
podcaster has a topic he can blog everyday the multi-pronged approach
has it's advantages. My Google traffic to my site each day is 10 times
greater than the daily repeat visitors from that traffic I pick up
repeat readers, which turn into listeners. So think about where you want
your show to be in 3 years. A blog post each day will result in over
1000 post on your show topic which will pay back dividends of a very
large scales.
Again these are my opinions and take them for what their worth their is
no single way to do this all I can share is what has worked for me.
Todd...
Bob Crandall wrote:
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> I disagree with the multiple format idea. You podcast
> because it is mobile, listeners can download to ipods
> etc. It's the old " Do one thing and do it well." I
> want to do 3 podcasts, but to blog and video all three
> would be way to much. The content would suffer. My
> first one , now on it's 13th episode is almost where i
> want it. I hope to start my 2nd podcast by June.
> So i am going to stick with one format and focus on
> that format only.
>
> Bob Crandall
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>
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Todd
Thanks for your in depth insight. You brought up some
points I hadn't considered. I'm always open to ideas
and suggestions. By the way I live in Las Vegas, let
me know the next time you're in town, maybe we can get
together.
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