Outlawing mobile radios in Oregon

[Daly, Greg]

     Since most of us run around mobile, in Oregon, from time to time, this may be of interest. The Oregon Senate is thinking about this.

http://www.leg.state.or.us/07reg/measpdf/sb0200.dir/sb0293.intro.pdf

     It's in the Judiciary Committee now.

     The Oregon House of Representatives is thinking about this.

http://www.leg.state.or.us/07reg/measpdf/hb2400.dir/hb2482.intro.pdf

     It's before the Transportation committee now.

     These bills outlaw the use of any mobile radio without "hands free" devices, while driving on a public street……. Hello rovers!

     I sent email and real paper letters to my state Senator, all the members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, my state Representative, and all of the members of the Oregon House of Representatives Transportation Committee.

     I understand that none of them give a crap about what I think, but at least when asked, I'll be able to say I did what I could when I had the chance.

     If you would like to read what I had to say to them, let me know and I'll forward my emails to you…… it would be best if we each sent different comments, I suspect they ignore form letters.

73 / GOOD DX DE WB7RSG

Gregory P. Daly
TriQuint Semiconductor
mailto:gd...@tqs.com

[William Abbott]

Got an email about one of thoose the other day from a local ham...

I can't say that I'm 100% against it, however it does raise some issues for
Ham's, to say the least.

My biggest issue is the fact that most people I've seen who have problems
with driving with a cell phone or other device, a hands free device won't
solve the problem... the problem is that they can't process 2 different
things at once, or tune out the phone/radio/etc when the road requires most
thier attention.

There have been tests saying that basically no one can tune out the radio,
etc... but I tend to think many of us can see when trouble might be comming
and tune out any distractions... I've personally had plenty of practice not
listening to radios, etc being a full time driver for 2 years, and having
plenty of problems with LA traffic etc, to tune out distrations... I think
most anyone can learn to do it...

I do wish they'd put some sort of exception for amateurs in however, since
most our radios don't have a handsfree option to say the least... Most
truck drivers can handle listening/talking on the CB while driving down the
freeway, however can't say I care wether it is affected or not...

I'm not even sure who or how to write them, otherwise I probably would write
them saying just that, I'm not opposed except for HAM's and give them the
other things to consider.
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William Abbott
KE7ERQ
KE7...@gmail.com
Lebanon, OR CN84nm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daly, Greg" <gd...@tqs.com>
To: <PNW...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: [PNWVHFS] Outlawing mobile radios in Oregon

Since most of us run around mobile, in Oregon, from time to time,
this may be of interest. The Oregon Senate is thinking about this.

http://www.leg.state.or.us/07reg/measpdf/sb0200.dir/sb0293.intro.pdf

It's in the Judiciary Committee now.

The Oregon House of Representatives is thinking about this.

http://www.leg.state.or.us/07reg/measpdf/hb2400.dir/hb2482.intro.pdf

It's before the Transportation committee now.

These bills outlaw the use of any mobile radio without "hands free"

devices, while driving on a public street....... Hello rovers!

I sent email and real paper letters to my state Senator, all the
members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, my state Representative, and
all of the members of the Oregon House of Representatives Transportation
Committee.

I understand that none of them give a crap about what I think, but
at least when asked, I'll be able to say I did what I could when I had
the chance.

If you would like to read what I had to say to them, let me know

and I'll forward my emails to you...... it would be best if we each sent

[William Abbott]

Kinda a little off topic for VHF I suppose? All though that's all I
currently opperate...

Wondering if anyone has any contact information for Linn County or
Albany/lebanon area for emergency radio services, be it ARES/RACES or ?

Is there a contact person to find out when they meet, possibly join, etc...
Not sure I want to undertake fully joining another group at this time,
etc... however I'd like to learn a little more about it, and wether theres
anything a Technician with a limited station can do to help in an emergency,
etc.

[Charles Miller]

William:

This page should tell all:

http://www.arrl.org/sections/OR.html

Nice to hear you on the net.

73, Chuck N6KW

[frank bechdoldt]

its a good thing fo rovers to be as much hands free as possible. I use a
head set, linked to 2 radios. I use a foot switch to transmitt where the
e-brake use to be. Give me some time and I will wire the horn's transistor
relay to key the cw or perhaps I could use the mirror adjust as a paddle.

Its also why I am working on recording my logs on dital tape recorders.
However you all home stations will have to listen to me say what band and
time every now and then in the exchange. This will get rid of the dreaded
check marks in my almost hands free log.

Its probaly a good thing for a law.

k3uhf/r

>From: "Daly, Greg" <gd...@tqs.com>
>Reply-To: gd...@tqs.com
>To: <PNW...@googlegroups.com>
>Subject: [PNWVHFS] Outlawing mobile radios in Oregon

>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:32:46 -0800
>
>
> Since most of us run around mobile, in Oregon, from time to time,
>this may be of interest. The Oregon Senate is thinking about this.
>
>http://www.leg.state.or.us/07reg/measpdf/sb0200.dir/sb0293.intro.pdf
>
> It's in the Judiciary Committee now.
>
> The Oregon House of Representatives is thinking about this.
>
>http://www.leg.state.or.us/07reg/measpdf/hb2400.dir/hb2482.intro.pdf
>
> It's before the Transportation committee now.
>
> These bills outlaw the use of any mobile radio without "hands free"

>devices, while driving on a public street....... Hello rovers!

>
> I sent email and real paper letters to my state Senator, all the
>members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, my state Representative, and
>all of the members of the Oregon House of Representatives Transportation
>Committee.
>
> I understand that none of them give a crap about what I think, but
>at least when asked, I'll be able to say I did what I could when I had
>the chance.
>
> If you would like to read what I had to say to them, let me know

>and I'll forward my emails to you...... it would be best if we each sent

>different comments, I suspect they ignore form letters.
>
>73 / GOOD DX DE WB7RSG
>
>Gregory P. Daly
>TriQuint Semiconductor
>mailto:gd...@tqs.com
>
>
>>

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[W7CE]

I'll support this proposed law when they also make it illegal to do any of the following while driving:

 

1. Smoke

2. Eat

3. Drink (coffee, soft drinks, etc)

4. Tune your AM/FM radio

5. Change CD's

6. Talk to passengers

7. Adjust your mirrors

8. Look at your GPS

9. Read the billboards along the road (especially the lottery billboards)

10. Read a book/newspaper (I've seen it many times)

 

It's been a while since I read the info, but a study indicated that the first five items on my list caused many more accidents than talking on a cell phone or radio.  I doubt that a significant number of accidents are caused by people talking on a radio.  Unless they put in a specific exception, this law could also possibly impact police, fire and emergency vehicle communications.

 

We should expect these kind of laws though, because today the primary purpose of government is to give the appearance of doing something useful as opposed to actually doing something useful.

 

I should note that I generally use an Icom Traveler headset when operating mobile (boom mic with a single earpiece). so the law would have minimal impact on me.

 

73

Clay  W7CE

----- Original Message -----

From: Daly, Greg

To: PNW...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:32 PM

Subject: [PNWVHFS] Outlawing mobile radios in Oregon

[Mary Anne Sanford]

Another impacted group might be workers, like Bus Drivers (have seen trimet drivers talking on phone handset while driving, utility workers, wildland firefighters, umm .. there are lots of folks who can't use "hands free" .. the law requires that the device allow BOTH hands on the steering wheel. so if PTT is required it is a violation.  Hands free as defined in the bill requires VOX.

[Stephen Kangas]

Here's a "hands-free" convenience worth looking at...
http://www.lynovation.com/ (also, see article on this in current Feb issue
of QST, p66).
You would still need to get a Bluetooth retrofit device for the headset, and
could use the off-hook/on-hook for PTT when not using VOX.
Another idea is to tap into the steering wheel controls that many car/truck
manufacturers now have for radio/CD control, perhaps stealing the Mode
button for PTT.
Finally, an inexpensive quick-install solution for this could be a good new
product idea for an innovative entrepreneur if the bill passes.

--Stephen AE7SK

[Ray W7GLF]

My take on this is a little different than the others I have seen.
First I saw the Myth Busters experiment where it was shown that
talking on a cell phone was more likely to cause bad driving than
being at the .08% alcohol limit. However I suspect a large part of
the problem with cell phone use has nothing to do with one hand versus
two handed driving but rather whether the driver is paying more
attention to the conversation than they are to the road. I seem to
remember hearing that studies have been done comparing one versus no
hand cell phone use while driving and in both cases the driving was
noticeably affected.

Since I pay almost no attention to my ham radio conversations while
driving :) perhaps that is why after almost 40 years I have never had
an accident caused by radio use. When I see people come to a dead
stop on the highway entrance ramp or backing up without even a glance
in the rearview mirror (both of which I have seen by cell phone users)
I suspect they are so rapped up in their conversation that they are
oblivous to what is going on around them.

Of course contesting is another matter and can be very distracting but
I agree with K3UHF - the problems I see with mobile contesting are
primarily having to look at the clock and writing in the log. I have
often thought a voice actuated recorder (time stamped would be ideal)
would be the way to go. The only negative is you still have to spend
the time to transcribe the log at some point...

[frank bechdoldt]

I think the smallness of the cell phone is a factor too, As a teen ager I
never wrecked the car talking on my wilson handheld.

>From: "Ray W7GLF" <w7...@qsl.net>
>Reply-To: w7...@qsl.net
>To: "PNWVHFS" <PNW...@googlegroups.com>
>Subject: [PNWVHFS] Re: Outlawing mobile radios in Oregon

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[Eric Smith]

Hmmm... Maybe some "software hacker" could incorporate
voice recognition into
the contest logging software...
Eric
KB7DQH

[Daly, Greg]

Sorry to be a pest, one more post and I'll get off my soap box.

Have you sent letters to the Oregon legislature yet? If not, why
not?

We seem to be missing the point, If they pass this, we will all get
hassled by the cops for having radios in our cars.

I don't care about idiots yakking on the phone while driving, I get
the hell away from them as fast as possible..... I like watching car
accidents from a distance. I consider all other drivers to be homicidal
maniacs bent on killing me. I can't operate a phone with people all
around trying to kill me.

The bill will be a pain in the butt for all of us. Cops don't know
one radio from another, they don't care what you think, and it helps
their statistics if they bust you for something, especially for a $700
fine. If you make a cop angry they can, and will make your life
miserable, there is nothing you can do to get even, truth and honor has
nothing to do with it.

Even if you win in court, they have wasted your time and money, and
you gain nothing from the fight. When wrestling with a pig, you both get
filthy, and the pig likes it.

Any argument that points out the stupidity of the bills will help.
The world is full of idiots, no law can change that. Driving like an
idiot is already illegal, they need to enforce the laws they have, not
write new ones that WILL BE ABUSED BY STUPID COPS AT OUR EXPENSE.

Please pardon my rant..... I'll stop now.

73 DE WB7RSG

Gregory P. Daly
TriQuint Semiconductor
mailto:gd...@tqs.com

-----Original Message-----

From: PNW...@googlegroups.com [mailto:PNW...@googlegroups.com] On

Behalf Of Eric Smith
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:41 PM
To: pnw...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [PNWVHFS] Re: Outlawing mobile radios in Oregon

[frank bechdoldt]

Well the most distracted driver I ever saw was a guy with a naked chick
chick wrapped up in chains while driving down i-5. I dont know if it was a
frat- prank or jeffery dalmer. It was distracting. I suppose it was legal
except for the nakedness.

The point is its a step to a safer road and hiel makes a 20 dollar ADAPTER
THAT WILL FIT ANY RADIO TO ANY HEAD SET. iS 100 BUCKS WORTH SOMEONE'S LIFE?
THATS THE SOCETY WE LIVE IN.

>From: "Daly, Greg" <gd...@tqs.com>
>Reply-To: gd...@tqs.com

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Please list Heil part number for the adapter.

bt73,

Pete, N6ZE (DM04 & CN87)

[frank bechdoldt]

Heres what I mean for an adapter. You would plug any ham headset into it and
any footswitch into it. One could cheat and put the ptt on the steering
wheel.

For you retired guys feeling the pinch or suffering from boredom, heres a
chance to make something and sell it. Because theres a need for it just like
the cell phone hands free issue.

I'm not saying to write and support this thing, but Its a reminder to us all
that we dont want to be the first idiot on court TV brought up on charges of
killing some kid while we were talking on a ham radio.

We are inventive people, it is our duty to serve others, and some
consideration here could save us a black eye as well as raise a standard.
Its too bad we were not the first to come up with hands free technology as
we as hams were first in other things. Then again Im the safety chair at
work.

As far as rovers goes, I have never had people think beyond whats all that
crap on his truck to think about a mic while driving. And I have only
recently went to a more hands free aproach.

73s

Frank

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[Scott Honaker]

I had a product from IBM called ViaVoice and now Dragon Naturally Speaking
has the leading market position on voice recognition
http://www.nuance.com/naturallyspeaking/home/. Most of these systems allow
you to automate any application with voice. You simply speak the command
and type or click the corresponding response. It doesn't take a computer
scientist to make it work. I always want to try it. Just another project I
never got around to doing.

Scott N7SS

-----Original Message-----
From: PNW...@googlegroups.com [mailto:PNW...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Eric Smith
Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:41 PM
To: pnw...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [PNWVHFS] Re: Outlawing mobile radios in Oregon

[William Abbott]

I thought I would share this, I recieved this email today, and thought I
would share it, due to the date of hearing, and what not... Doubt I will go
"testify" but I would deffinately try and submit my letter as testimony if I
knew how :)

<QUOTE>
Dear Mr. Abbott,

Thank you for writing with your concerns about SB 293. The bill was
referred to the Senate Judicary committee, of which I am a member. It
has been scheduled for a hearing in committee on February 13 at 1:00 pm
in room 343 here in the State Capitol. I would encourage you to submit
your letter as testimony, or to come and testify in person.

This doesn't appear to be legislation that I will support. I do
appreciate hearing your perspective of the bill and will take your
comments into consideration when the bill is presented.

Sincerely,

Senator Roger Beyer
</QUOTE>

I thought it was pretty cool, not only is he not supporting the bill, but
that he replied, etc.

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William Abbott
KE7ERQ
KE7...@gmail.com
Lebanon, OR CN84nm

----- Original Message -----
From: "frank bechdoldt" <k3...@hotmail.com>

73s

Frank

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