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Loren Moline WA7SKT
May 27, 2012, 5:17:17 PM5/27/12
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Hello,
One never wants to think about their passing on but no one knows how many days they have left in this world.
I am in great health now but you never know.
I regard the PNWVHFS as the greatest bunch of people anyone would want to be associated with and am looking for ideas.
I have a large amount of parts and some gear that I would never want to see go into the garbage if I passed on so would like a way for my wife to contact someone if anything happened to me and to sell some for the benefit of my wife and give away some of my collection to someone that would put it to good use. This would require course having someone go through all of it and decide its disposition.
Please let me know what you think. As long as I live in the PNW this would be valid. Naturally I wouldn't expect someone to run down to AZ if I eventually move down there. Thanks!
Loren WA7SKT
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One never wants to think about their passing on but no one knows how many days they have left in this world.
I am in great health now but you never know.
I regard the PNWVHFS as the greatest bunch of people anyone would want to be associated with and am looking for ideas.
I have a large amount of parts and some gear that I would never want to see go into the garbage if I passed on so would like a way for my wife to contact someone if anything happened to me and to sell some for the benefit of my wife and give away some of my collection to someone that would put it to good use. This would require course having someone go through all of it and decide its disposition.
Please let me know what you think. As long as I live in the PNW this would be valid. Naturally I wouldn't expect someone to run down to AZ if I eventually move down there. Thanks!
Loren WA7SKT
Today's technology is responsible for creating a multitude of brain dead people!
Member: ARRL and Pacific Northwest VHF Society
Member: Hearsat Satellite Monitoring Group ( www.hearsat.org )....www.uhf-satcom.com
Location: CN86bx
Loren Moline WA7SKT
May 27, 2012, 5:18:30 PM5/27/12
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Subject spell corrected...oversight on my part.
Loren WA7SKT
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Subject: [PNWVHFS] Club mamagement of estates.
Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 14:17:17 -0700
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Jim Lowman
May 27, 2012, 6:30:30 PM5/27/12
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I agree. The problem here is that I don't know who would be a worthy
recipient.
I'm thinking maybe Southern California Contest Club.
Ten years ago I would have said the local club, but most of the OTs have
passed and it's become a shack-on-the-belt club.
The XYL is a ham, but is a Technician and probably has little idea of
the value of things, particularly vintage equipment like the Drake
"C-Line" twins.
It's even worse when the survivor(s) know(s) little about the hobby.
One idea that I like is having a "pre-estate" sale, like one person I
recall.
I'm thinking of doing that to clear out some redundant or unused equipment.
We may be making a move to KH6-land eventually, so I need to downsize.
Like you, I'm in good health and thankful for that, but at age 64 we're
not guaranteed tomorrow.
Many others have gone before me at an earlier age.
73 de Jim - AD6CW
recipient.
I'm thinking maybe Southern California Contest Club.
Ten years ago I would have said the local club, but most of the OTs have
passed and it's become a shack-on-the-belt club.
The XYL is a ham, but is a Technician and probably has little idea of
the value of things, particularly vintage equipment like the Drake
"C-Line" twins.
It's even worse when the survivor(s) know(s) little about the hobby.
One idea that I like is having a "pre-estate" sale, like one person I
recall.
I'm thinking of doing that to clear out some redundant or unused equipment.
We may be making a move to KH6-land eventually, so I need to downsize.
Like you, I'm in good health and thankful for that, but at age 64 we're
not guaranteed tomorrow.
Many others have gone before me at an earlier age.
73 de Jim - AD6CW
K7DGI
May 28, 2012, 2:08:25 PM5/28/12
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Loren and Members,
I also have been troubled with the thought of my gear being tossed
into
the trash upon my passing..
My family knows nothing of the value and I would sure like to have
peace
of mind knowing someone could/would step in and recover some of the
moneys
from it to at lease help pay for my cremation..
I have a lot of stuff and although I'm seldom heard on the air (Health
issues)
6 meters has been my favorite band since 1965..
I don't have a clue when this might happen however I sure would like
someone
to take on this challenge with the thought of them keeping some of the
gear for
their efforts..
Y'all have been a great bunch of guys to know, speak to and learn
from..
and I'll be out there soon where there is a different type of
propagation..
Telepathy ?
73,
Kim K7DGI ex WA7BTG
I can be reached at 206 414 3226
or at 20 E Norte. (Trails End Lake)
Belfair, Wa when the time arrives.
On May 27, 2:18 pm, Loren Moline WA7SKT <lmol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Subject spell corrected...oversight on my part.
>
> Loren WA7SKT
>
> Today's technology is responsible for creating a multitude of brain dead people!
>
> Member: ARRL and Pacific Northwest VHF Society
> Member: Hearsat Satellite Monitoring Group (www.hearsat.org)....www.uhf-satcom.com
> Location: CN86bx
>
I also have been troubled with the thought of my gear being tossed
into
the trash upon my passing..
My family knows nothing of the value and I would sure like to have
peace
of mind knowing someone could/would step in and recover some of the
moneys
from it to at lease help pay for my cremation..
I have a lot of stuff and although I'm seldom heard on the air (Health
issues)
6 meters has been my favorite band since 1965..
I don't have a clue when this might happen however I sure would like
someone
to take on this challenge with the thought of them keeping some of the
gear for
their efforts..
Y'all have been a great bunch of guys to know, speak to and learn
from..
and I'll be out there soon where there is a different type of
propagation..
Telepathy ?
73,
Kim K7DGI ex WA7BTG
I can be reached at 206 414 3226
or at 20 E Norte. (Trails End Lake)
Belfair, Wa when the time arrives.
On May 27, 2:18 pm, Loren Moline WA7SKT <lmol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Subject spell corrected...oversight on my part.
>
> Loren WA7SKT
>
> Today's technology is responsible for creating a multitude of brain dead people!
>
> Member: ARRL and Pacific Northwest VHF Society
> Member: Hearsat Satellite Monitoring Group (www.hearsat.org)....www.uhf-satcom.com
> Location: CN86bx
>
Jerry Siegmund
May 28, 2012, 2:17:30 PM5/28/12
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Lorne.. Yes, not a Topic anyone wants to think about ! Good Idea though ! My XYL would not have a clue as to what I have in the shack, let alone its worth dollar wise !
I have been to 'Estate Sales of SK's.. and often thought.. 'What a Bunch of Vultures we are' ! Most Hams had never even visited this fellas QTH..and now they travel from miles around..just to get something for 'cheap' ?
Perhaps.. one should include a trusted 'Fellow Ham Op' in their Will.. so that he can look after that part of it ! Never really thought about it !
My Father is 73 and just made up a Will recently..(he did not believe in it I guess !)
Perhaps took Triple By-Pass Surgery for him to think about it a bit ?
He and my Mother told my XYL and myself..that we were 'Executors of Their Estate'..(I have an older sister and younger brother that may be 'Furious' if and when they find out ! Something I never hope to have to do..but I know 'One Day' I will.. !
I am sure our Local Club (who normally looks after such things for the SK's XYL..) would look after it all.. but a 'very interesting thought' !
Perhaps I should make somewhat of a List..so she has at least a little incite as to what I have accumulated over the years..then again, that would also get me in trouble as to what I have spent over the years ! ;o)
Good Luck with you inquiry.. certainly a 'Tough Subject'..but very good idea !
Jerry
VE6CPP
DN39or
I have been to 'Estate Sales of SK's.. and often thought.. 'What a Bunch of Vultures we are' ! Most Hams had never even visited this fellas QTH..and now they travel from miles around..just to get something for 'cheap' ?
Perhaps.. one should include a trusted 'Fellow Ham Op' in their Will.. so that he can look after that part of it ! Never really thought about it !
My Father is 73 and just made up a Will recently..(he did not believe in it I guess !)
Perhaps took Triple By-Pass Surgery for him to think about it a bit ?
He and my Mother told my XYL and myself..that we were 'Executors of Their Estate'..(I have an older sister and younger brother that may be 'Furious' if and when they find out ! Something I never hope to have to do..but I know 'One Day' I will.. !
I am sure our Local Club (who normally looks after such things for the SK's XYL..) would look after it all.. but a 'very interesting thought' !
Perhaps I should make somewhat of a List..so she has at least a little incite as to what I have accumulated over the years..then again, that would also get me in trouble as to what I have spent over the years ! ;o)
Good Luck with you inquiry.. certainly a 'Tough Subject'..but very good idea !
Jerry
VE6CPP
DN39or
ralph lindberg
May 28, 2012, 2:28:15 PM5/28/12
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A lot depends on the state/province rules for handling an estate.
Some (Washington for example) allow something called (variously) " A codicil of minor items". These are attachments to the will and can be changed, very easily.
Where you can direct the disposal of things. Mine is setup very specifically. My woodworking friends (by name), my ham friends (dito), my book-nut friends (likewise) get to pick through my gear and pay the estate what they think it's worth. Then I have requested that they help sell the rest.
That way the "choice" stuff goes to someone that will love it and the rest merely gets sold.
Of course assuming my wife (assuming I died first) who is also a Ham, a wood-turner and a book-nut; is actually willing to part with the "stuff"
Ralph
Some (Washington for example) allow something called (variously) " A codicil of minor items". These are attachments to the will and can be changed, very easily.
Where you can direct the disposal of things. Mine is setup very specifically. My woodworking friends (by name), my ham friends (dito), my book-nut friends (likewise) get to pick through my gear and pay the estate what they think it's worth. Then I have requested that they help sell the rest.
That way the "choice" stuff goes to someone that will love it and the rest merely gets sold.
Of course assuming my wife (assuming I died first) who is also a Ham, a wood-turner and a book-nut; is actually willing to part with the "stuff"
Ralph
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May 28, 2012, 2:33:16 PM5/28/12
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Subject: [PNWVHFS] Club mamagement of estates.
J. Benedict
May 28, 2012, 2:53:39 PM5/28/12
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>Loren and Members,
>I also have been troubled with the thought of my gear being tossed
>into
>the trash upon my passing..
Hi:
>I also have been troubled with the thought of my gear being tossed
>into
>the trash upon my passing..
I'm a little bit from this time and I actually have an amount of
radio gear that would fit in the trunk of your average car so I
haven't given it huge amounts of thought. I have put in my will for
my family to call one or both of the local radio clubs (I wrote
contact names for them and for the state ARRL who could get the
contacts of the clubs if necessary) and say to them to come and get
it, do what you want. Take it all or take nothing. Like I say, I
don't have much stuff.
Those of you with huge amounts of stuff you are worried about, I
suggest making an inventory of the important things, put an inventory
tag on each one, put it all on a list and maybe even put a reasonable
value on the big stuff.
I don't think you need to inventory every little thing. Just the
important stuff that you believe is worth something. Clean out your
stuff and get rid of the *trash* and give away the things you want to
give someone who would use it. Get everything else in boxes and put a
number on the box and put a general listing of what's in the box.
(i.e. "antenna stuff" "vacuum tubes" "coax/hardline connectors" etc.)
in your inventory list. Anything you really don't want tossed, put it
in a box with a label or a label on the item. Let your family know
that they can assume anything not on the list can get tossed.
Give a copy of this list to a couple of your pals, contact
information for your pals and put a copy of it with your important
papers. When you go to that great ham shack in the sky, your
survivors will thank you for making their task easier.
I'm thinking of this because I'm 'moving house' this month and am
packing my stuff ahead of time. I'm getting rid of the non-necessary
stuff. I travel light but, ya know, how many cans of car wax does a
guy need? ;)
That's just my thoughts on the matter. When my Mother died eleven
years ago, it was a matter of getting out the file and doing what she
had planned. It made it easier. If you get your stuff in order,
that's one less thing for your family to worry about.
73
Jeff KB7AIL CN88
Gabor Horvath
May 28, 2012, 3:13:26 PM5/28/12
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Our local club has been quite active dealing with estates.
The ideal thing would be if we all had an inventory of the gear left behind.
Short of that one should appoint a "ham radio executor", a fellow (younger)
ham, or even better a local club.
If the ham (or the widow) asks us to help deal with the estate we usually
try to sell the bigger pieces quickly so that the family gets some cash and
they then usually just tell us to keep the rest. Unfortunately most of the
stuff gets hauled to the dump because no one has place to store the boxes
and boxes of bits and pieces we tend to accumulate.
I would highly recommend to everyone to get a label maker and mark your
stuff now. It'll make life a lot easier to your friends when they go over to
help out your widow.
As far as the proceeds: The PNWVHFS is not in the business of collecting
asstets. It is really hard to turn the usual ham stuff into cash. Good gear
could be marked to be donated to a local (or nearby) club that has an
emergency trailer or club station. Don't just leave it behind to collect
dust, try to find a place where it would be put to use. Even if you leave it
to a fellow ham is better than having it go to the dump. If you really want
to have a chuckle just make stickers with your friends callsigns and put
them on your boxes of junk randomly.
73,
Gabor, VE7JH
The ideal thing would be if we all had an inventory of the gear left behind.
Short of that one should appoint a "ham radio executor", a fellow (younger)
ham, or even better a local club.
If the ham (or the widow) asks us to help deal with the estate we usually
try to sell the bigger pieces quickly so that the family gets some cash and
they then usually just tell us to keep the rest. Unfortunately most of the
stuff gets hauled to the dump because no one has place to store the boxes
and boxes of bits and pieces we tend to accumulate.
I would highly recommend to everyone to get a label maker and mark your
stuff now. It'll make life a lot easier to your friends when they go over to
help out your widow.
As far as the proceeds: The PNWVHFS is not in the business of collecting
asstets. It is really hard to turn the usual ham stuff into cash. Good gear
could be marked to be donated to a local (or nearby) club that has an
emergency trailer or club station. Don't just leave it behind to collect
dust, try to find a place where it would be put to use. Even if you leave it
to a fellow ham is better than having it go to the dump. If you really want
to have a chuckle just make stickers with your friends callsigns and put
them on your boxes of junk randomly.
73,
Gabor, VE7JH
Jerry Siegmund
May 28, 2012, 3:42:53 PM5/28/12
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Good Idea..! W7?? wanted this..! Its His ! Has to Donate $20 to the Fund ! ;o)
I have a Local Op who has Collected and Restored Military Gear for who knows how long ? His basement looks like a Museum ! I am sure he has a 'Priceless Tag' on All of his equipment.. and he may just donate it to the Seniors Club he belongs to.. but I am sure his XYL has 'No Clue' as to what he has been spending 'All those Years On' Restoring ! I will pay him a visit this week, and take some pic's.. Amazing what he has aquired over the years !
Jerry
VE6CPP
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Jim Lowman
May 28, 2012, 7:09:51 PM5/28/12
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This sounds like a good plan. Also, don't forget the junior high school
in New York that takes donations of ham equipment.
I believe that they will arrange for pickup or pay for shipping. Also
counts as a charitable donation on your tax return.
A bit off the topic, but I especially agree with what Jeff said about
downsizing.
Last year we moved my father-in-law from his senior apartment to an
assisted-living facility.
Although he was moving to a fairly equivalent-sized one-bedroom
apartment, there were many things that he wasn't using: broken radios
and suitcases, for example. Also the dining room set, since he would
have meals in the dining room.
When he passed on March 1st of this year it certainly made things easier
on my wife and me, especially since I was recovering from
knee-replacement surgery and couldn't stand for long periods of time or
lift very much.
We brought some of it home, like his late daughter's china, and the rest
went to charity.
My mother, on the other hand, seemed never to throw anything away,
although her condo was in good order.
The desk in one bedroom was so jammed full of paperwork that I had
trouble opening some of the drawers.
It was mostly things that didn't need to be kept, like receipts for
bills paid and tax returns that were beyond the required date for
record-keeping.
In all, 29 lawn-size trash bags of things went to the dumpster, after we
paid around $600 to ship the items that we wanted from Florida to
California.
73 de Jim - AD6CW
in New York that takes donations of ham equipment.
I believe that they will arrange for pickup or pay for shipping. Also
counts as a charitable donation on your tax return.
A bit off the topic, but I especially agree with what Jeff said about
downsizing.
Last year we moved my father-in-law from his senior apartment to an
assisted-living facility.
Although he was moving to a fairly equivalent-sized one-bedroom
apartment, there were many things that he wasn't using: broken radios
and suitcases, for example. Also the dining room set, since he would
have meals in the dining room.
When he passed on March 1st of this year it certainly made things easier
on my wife and me, especially since I was recovering from
knee-replacement surgery and couldn't stand for long periods of time or
lift very much.
We brought some of it home, like his late daughter's china, and the rest
went to charity.
My mother, on the other hand, seemed never to throw anything away,
although her condo was in good order.
The desk in one bedroom was so jammed full of paperwork that I had
trouble opening some of the drawers.
It was mostly things that didn't need to be kept, like receipts for
bills paid and tax returns that were beyond the required date for
record-keeping.
In all, 29 lawn-size trash bags of things went to the dumpster, after we
paid around $600 to ship the items that we wanted from Florida to
California.
73 de Jim - AD6CW
Jim Lowman
May 28, 2012, 7:16:23 PM5/28/12
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When I was an officer in the local club, we had a few occasions to help
widows dispose of their husband's ham equipment.
This often means taking the bad with the good.
A lot of this one ham's possessions were outdated equipment like
Teletype gear, which had been superseded by more modern items.
Since we did have a clubhouse, we brought what items that were useful
there. Every Wednesday night for a few hours there was a social
gathering, and hams could work with the club's leadership to buy items
at a fair price, with any proceeds going to the widow.
73 de Jim - AD6CW
widows dispose of their husband's ham equipment.
This often means taking the bad with the good.
A lot of this one ham's possessions were outdated equipment like
Teletype gear, which had been superseded by more modern items.
Since we did have a clubhouse, we brought what items that were useful
there. Every Wednesday night for a few hours there was a social
gathering, and hams could work with the club's leadership to buy items
at a fair price, with any proceeds going to the widow.
73 de Jim - AD6CW
Edward R. Cole
May 29, 2012, 3:46:23 AM5/29/12
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Certainly an important subject as part of your estate planning
(will).
I think one should already have documented the bigger pieces of gear along with model no. and serial no. for insurance reasons. Make it a spreadsheet and add a column for purchase price and current market value. That will guide your survivor toward obtaining a fair price on them. Ideally you would include a snapshot for identification.
Regarding the accumulation of parts etc. you could document categories of stuff you have to make it easier for your Ham radio "executor" to list them once you are gone. You really should decide who that will be and talk it over with them (get their acceptance).
My Dad just passed away in early April and my two sisters are co-executors and have taken over a lot of responsibilities for my mom who survives my Dad. This resulted in her moving into assisted-living at the first of May and going thru the disposal of home, car, and many possessions there is no room to keep. One sister takes care of the medical paperwork and the other the financial's so my Mom is no saddled with handling it all. I live too far from Michigan to help.
I think one should already have documented the bigger pieces of gear along with model no. and serial no. for insurance reasons. Make it a spreadsheet and add a column for purchase price and current market value. That will guide your survivor toward obtaining a fair price on them. Ideally you would include a snapshot for identification.
Regarding the accumulation of parts etc. you could document categories of stuff you have to make it easier for your Ham radio "executor" to list them once you are gone. You really should decide who that will be and talk it over with them (get their acceptance).
My Dad just passed away in early April and my two sisters are co-executors and have taken over a lot of responsibilities for my mom who survives my Dad. This resulted in her moving into assisted-living at the first of May and going thru the disposal of home, car, and many possessions there is no room to keep. One sister takes care of the medical paperwork and the other the financial's so my Mom is no saddled with handling it all. I live too far from Michigan to help.
73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
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