Conference: The World of Abhiṣeka: Initiation and Consecration Rituals in the Buddhist Cultural Sphere 灌頂の世界:仏教文化圏における入門・伝授儀礼の思想と実践

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Or Porath

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Dear Colleagues,

I have the pleasure to inform you about a conference taking place at the University of California, Santa Barbara, on May 7-8. For details, see the announcement below. Please feel free to share with colleagues and students.

The World of Abhiṣeka: Initiation and Consecration Rituals in the Buddhist Cultural Sphere 灌頂の世界:仏教文化圏における入門・伝授儀礼の思想と実践.
May 7 and 8, 2018
University of California, Santa Barbara


This is the first conference to address in a comprehensive and multidisciplinary way multiple aspects of abhiṣeka (kanjō) ceremonies, in which someone is either initiated or consecrated into specific lineages, status levels, and systems of knowledge and ritual action. After tracing the origin of these ceremonies in ancient India and their diffusion throughout the Buddhist world, presenters will discuss Japanese vernacular forms of kanjō as related to Buddhist teachings, "Shinto," and the literary and performing arts. 

Participants: Abe Yasurō (Nagoya University, Keynote Speaker); Ryūichi Abé (Harvard University), Andrea Castiglioni (University of California, Santa Barbara)Chikamoto Kensuke (Nagoya University), Lucia Dolce (SOAS), Paul Groner (University of Virginia and University of Southern California)Inose Chihiro (Nagoya University and Strasbourg University), Itō Satoshi (Ibaraki University), Kawasaki Tsuyoshi (Shūjitsu University)Susan Klein (University of California, Irvine), Adam Krug (Colorado College), Mori Masahide (Kanazawa University), Or Porath (University of California, Santa Barbara)Fabio Rambelli (University of California, Santa Barbara), Dominic Steavu (University of California, Santa Barbara), Tomishima Yoshiyuki (Kyoto University), Unno Keisuke (National Institute of Japanese Literature), David Gordon White (University of California, Santa Barbara).

Co-organized by the Shinto Studies Chair at University of California, Santa Barbara and the Center for Cultural Heritage and Texts at Nagoya University. Organizers: Abe Yasurō, Or Porath, and Fabio Rambelli.

For details, see http://www.eastasian.ucsb.edu/kanjo/

Yours faithfully,

Or Porath



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robin d. gill

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I've questions re the 8-words?letters?characters? 「天上天下唯我独尊」 Shaka said after his birth-wash. As this conference includes people who know sanskrit (one whose bk i helped get japanesed!) so rather than bother all of PMJS, i thought it better to ask here. 
1) Is this announcement found in sanskrit or is it a Chinese invention? 
2) If it is found in Sanskrit, may the "I" like the English "you" be taken to mean everyone? 
3) Or if not in Sanskrit, did the Chinese mean it as Ninomiya Sontoku describes it (& many contemporaries interpret it)= i.e. a sorta Montessori school affirmation of the unique worth of every single odd one of us born? 
4)Or is Ninomiya new & the original indeed a boast apropos of a newborn Prince, i.e., a foil to his later Enlightenment!? 
5) Or, was it 3 but the idea earlier w/ say medieval setsuwa changing the original meaning? 

Let me add, i am not esp interested in religion and only ask because old kyouka force me to do so. I asked a group w 1000+ members on FB & got dozens of likes for the below kyouka but not one learned reply to my questions. P L E A S E ! よろしくお願いします。&for yr amusement & to see what piqued my interest (and i hope will interst you) I c+v the FB essay below.

4月8日「灌仏」を詠んだ釈教の古狂歌のこころは

釈迦の誕生の産声の是非 On Shaka’s First Words

 

み仏の舌の長さぞ知られける産声にまで唯我独尊 繁雅  1813

Buddha must boast a tongue as long as men who’ve died,

for crying-out at birth “Respect just me!” is hard to abide.

 

言及は「天上天下唯我独尊」あるいは「天上地下~」のもある。本来は、知らないが、Google検索では前者の方が六倍ほど多いようです。いずれも英訳し難い。

 

Above or below heaven, respect is mine alone!

In Heaven or on Earth I alone deserve respect!

 

かの符を打つべきかどうか又知らぬが、釈迦の産声を囃す狂歌や川柳が多い。日本人は、漫才でなければ、神と仏までも自慢が気に入らない。生まれて、ベイビーブーダーが、まるでトランプ大統領の如くに成り上がり、回りを見て全部に対して我が物顔をしては情けない。繁雅の上方狂歌よりも少々早く出た俳風柳多留拾遺四の川柳は非難の模型になる。即ち「お釈迦さま生れ落るとみそをあげ」=

 

Prince Shakamuni

drops from his mother

already talking himself up!

 

多くの産声を囃す狂歌から繁雅の首を『古狂歌 ご笑納ください』の釈教部内の章頭歌に択んだ理由は、無言なる悟りのイメージと逆説的な連想もおまけに伴なう「舌長」(したなが)は、自慢話の癖ある者ながら、「仏」と縁がある遺体の舌が文字通り口から出るも事実(体温次第が)。釈迦の産声を弄んだ最初の発想か本歌は、中世から初期江戸の説話か笑話集に出たかもしれないが、手元にある早い歌例は1685頃の落首と狂歌の私集に出た。

 

灌仏 生るゝと早かゆそうな釈迦頭 天上天下唯我毒瘡 長崎一見

 

その不完全の語呂合せも気に入るが、厭らしさの為の厭らしさと云うより、身勝手な言葉への反発で「やれやれ!」と言うって上げましょう。慎みを美徳とする日本では、釈迦の自慢を聞いたら痒くなるも当然。この初期のやばい首と舌が長い上方狂歌よりも客観的ないし素直に事を述べる1793以前の江戸狂歌もある。

 

何事も知らぬが仏と聞けしかと利口に物を唯我独尊 左大小鮫鞘

We heard knowing naught is what Enlightenment was about -

so Buddha’s smart boast “I alone am worthy” makes us doubt.

 

諺ないし故事の語句を詠む「世話」の類とも称しうるが、新奇はなければ月並みの狂歌です。一方、同本にずばりと「ぶつ」を擬音にする点で後なる仙厓義梵の名句を思わす傑作もある。屁の一連の言葉遊びが無理で『古狂歌 ご笑納ください』に英訳を控えたが、今日は、新案の異訳を勝手に加えてみた。

 

世の人を屁とも思わぬ高慢か誕生ぶっと鳴りわたるなり 鯛鮨雄

How can we who live on earth cheer to hear His boastful birth?

That finger I shoot back a bird: “Boo for Buddha!” is the word.

 

成語句の台詞なくても、「高慢が誕生」で間接的に触れた点が大事。当時の皆さんにあれだけ知られた言葉であった。しかし、がである。この囃しは、すべてが、誠実でないfacetiousか。可笑しみを醸すための態々らしい非難だったかどうか、宗教史不勉強の敬愚は唯独りでは結論しかねる。というと、ネット上の解説を読めば、個人としての手前味噌ではなく、各々人間としてあるべき姿勢か自覚である!この世で一番尊いものは、他と取り換えない自分独特の命で、「我」が、釈迦のみならず人間皆に生き甲斐ある我々皆各々の「我」だ。ただ我独りの「産声再考」も、詠んでみました。 

 

蟹糞のほか手前みそこなったぞ「唯我」とは我々の事也 敬愚

 

Below the sky or on the earth, respect yourself from birth,

knowing you are you and born with a totally unique worth

 

しかし、生まれては個々の人(又、その他の生き物?)皆がユニークぞ、尊いぞという発想は、意外にも個人主義っぽい。モダンの香りがしませんか。江戸時代以前の解釈、釈教歌ではなく真面目の釈教そのものの蛇足や当時代の「現代訳」を見たい。それに、かの八文字はサンスクリットでは、どうなるでしょうか。曖昧でしょうか。その翻訳による、あるいは史的な変化はどうなるでしょうか。狂歌が反映する俗の勘違いには、心理の一面も万が一ありますか。

Here is something added in a comment on FB after i found out that all the interpretations i read on line seemed to be based on Ninomiya Sontoku

<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; URL=/robin.d.gill.9?_fb_noscript=1" /> Robin D Gill
    只今、前にWebで見た現在っぽいと思った解釈は二宮尊徳の言葉の要略だったはずと判った。(狂歌を練る暇ないが、文のみかと昼も夜明のしらみによむが無理でさすがに二宮損にゃハ試しに。下記はGoogle検索2件を混合したが

    「。。。されば銘々各々皆、天上天下唯我独尊なり、犬も独尊なり、鷹も独尊也、猫も杓子も独尊と云ふて可なる物なり」 二宮尊徳は、この説話で、世界中の誰もが、自分がこの世で最も尊い存在であると、考えて良いのである、と教えている。この説話は、第百五十二話の追補のところでも述べたが、尊徳の平等感の現われである。これは釈尊だけでなく、世界皆、我も人も、ただこれ、我こそ、天上にも、天下にも尊い者である、我に勝って尊い物は、決して無いものであるという教訓の言葉である。 ...

    その二宮説は、個々をして絶対的であろうが、お互い様ですから相対的でもあります。皆がそれぞれ我なる、我は釈迦だと道元の中なる仏。藤田さんの否仏性をGoogleすれば、「法有我」という語も見つけたが、それにもなるかどうか。。。 あ、かの八文字の解釈と関係ないが、ぶつぶつが出る数多古狂歌の中に、一休をして渋い詠みある=にゃっと笑います。

    死んでから仏というも何ゆえぞ 小言も言わず邪魔にならねば
Be that as it may, to me Ninomiya seems absolutely modern! And, hey his statues at school showing him reading books as he walks -- i see it all the time except that it is less educational stuff on smart=dumb phones!  If anyone can take Ninomiya's explanation back for me i would be grateful, but it would be fun to learn if his idea was revolutionary, too. As i know new thoughts are rare that would surprise me. よろしくお願いします。robin d gill
ps sorry to interrupt the Conference announcement but i saw no replies for a few days so ....

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Alexander Vovin

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Dear Robin,

I trust that according to the rules of Classical Chinese grammar 天上天下唯我独尊 can be understood only in two possible ways, depending whether is transitive or intransitive here (Mandarin zun1 < Old Chinese *tsʕun (in Baxter and Sagart's system):
1) intransitive
I am the only one alone honored in Heaven and on Earth
2) transitive
[They] honor only me alone in Heaven and Earth

My two cents, hope it will help

Sasha


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Michael Pye

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Dear friends,

Transitive or intransitive (passive)? Well:
In heaven or on earth I alone honour....[whom?]
Doesn't make sense, so passive it must be:
In heaven and on earth I alone am honoured.

One could translate, ... I alone am the honoured one, if one wishes to
be expansive without mirroring the grammar).

best wishes,
Michael, in sunny Kyoto, where people have been pouring amacha over
the honoured one.


Zitat von Alexander Vovin <sasha...@gmail.com>:

> Dear Robin,
>
> I trust that according to the rules of Classical Chinese grammar 天上天下唯我独尊
> can be understood only in two possible ways, depending whether 尊 is
> transitive or intransitive here (Mandarin zun1 < Old Chinese *tsʕun (in
> Baxter and Sagart's system):
> 1) intransitive
> I am the only one alone honored in Heaven and on Earth
> 2) transitive
> [They] honor only me alone in Heaven and Earth
>
> My two cents, hope it will help
>
> Sasha
>
>
> Alexander Vovin
> Membre élu d'Academia Europaea
> Directeur d'études, linguistique historique du Japon et de l'Asie du
> Nord-Est
> ECOLE DES HAUTES ETUDES EN SCIENCES SOCIALES;
> CENTRE DE RECHERCHES LINGUISTIQUES SUR L'ASIE ORIENTALE
> Membre associé de CENTRE DE RECHERCHES SUR LE JAPON
> 105 Blvd Raspail, 75006 Paris
> sasha...@gmail.com <alexand...@ehess.fr>
>>> *The World of Abhiṣeka: Initiation and Consecration Rituals in the
>>> Buddhist Cultural Sphere* 灌頂の世界:仏教文化圏における入門・伝授儀礼の思想と実践.
>>> May 7 and 8, 2018
>>> University of California, Santa Barbara
>>>
>>> This is the first conference to address in a comprehensive and
>>> multidisciplinary way multiple aspects of *abhiṣeka* (*kanjō*) ceremonies,
>>> in which someone is either initiated or consecrated into specific lineages,
>>> status levels, and systems of knowledge and ritual action. After tracing
>>> the origin of these ceremonies in ancient India and their diffusion
>>> throughout the Buddhist world, presenters will discuss Japanese vernacular
>>> forms of *kanjō* as related to Buddhist teachings, "Shinto," and the
>>> literary and performing arts.
>>>
>>> Participants: Abe Yasurō (Nagoya University, Keynote Speaker); Ryūichi
>>> Abé (Harvard University), Andrea Castiglioni (University of California,
>>> Santa Barbara), Chikamoto Kensuke (Nagoya University), Lucia Dolce
>>> (SOAS), Paul Groner (University of Virginia and University of Southern
>>> California), Inose Chihiro (Nagoya University and Strasbourg University),
>>> Itō Satoshi (Ibaraki University), Kawasaki Tsuyoshi (Shūjitsu University)
>>> , Susan Klein (University of California, Irvine), Adam Krug (Colorado
>>> College), Mori Masahide (Kanazawa University), Or Porath (University of
>>> California, Santa Barbara), Fabio Rambelli (University of California,
>>> Santa Barbara), Dominic Steavu (University of California, Santa Barbara),
>>> Tomishima Yoshiyuki (Kyoto University), Unno Keisuke (National Institute
>>> of Japanese Literature), David Gordon White (University of California,
>>> Santa Barbara).
>>>
>>> Co-organized by the Shinto Studies Chair at University of California,
>>> Santa Barbara and the Center for Cultural Heritage and Texts at Nagoya
>>> University. Organizers: Abe Yasurō, Or Porath, and Fabio Rambelli.
>>>
>>> For details, see http://www.eastasian.ucsb.edu/kanjo/
>>>
>>> Yours faithfully,
>>>
>>> Or Porath
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Dear Robin-san,

> On Apr 16, 2018, at 23:11, robin d. gill <robin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've questions re the 8-words?letters?characters? 「天上天下唯我独尊」 Shaka said after his birth-wash. As this conference includes people who know sanskrit (one whose bk i helped get japanesed!) so rather than bother all of PMJS, i thought it better to ask here.

For questions like this one, the first reference to look for seems (nowadays...) the Digital Dictionary of Buddhism:
<http://www.buddhism-dict.net/cgi-bin/xpr-ddb.pl?q=%E5%A4%A9%E4%B8%8A%E5%A4%A9%E4%B8%8B%E5%94%AF%E6%88%91%E7%8B%AC%E5%B0%8A>

This page gives many dictionary references, among which I consulted the Nakamura Bukkyôgo daijiten, p. 982a:

【天上天下唯我獨尊】てんじょうてんげゆいがどくそん Pāli aggo’ham asmi lokassa (私は世界のうちで最勝のものである、という意)。釈尊が誕生するや否や、四方に七 歩あゆみ、右手をあげて、唱えたといわれる詩句。誕生偈ともいう。後代にブッダが 神格化されると、生まれながらにして自 は偉いものだと宣言したと考えるよう になった。過去世においてヴィパッシン仏が誕生した時に、これに類したことを宣言したとされたが、後に釈尊が唱えたということになった。現代の仏教家は、この詩句は、人間性の尊厳を言い表わしたものだと解する。〈『長阿含経』一巻大正蔵二 [mistake for 一] 巻四下〉〈『有部律雑事』二〇巻大正蔵二四巻二九八上〉〈『大唐西域記』六巻大正蔵五一巻九〇二上〉〈『瑞応経』上〉

Here are the texts referred to in this entry:

『長阿含経』
T0001_.01.0004b27:     菩薩出胎時 清淨無染汙
T0001_.01.0004b28: 佛告比丘。諸佛常法。毗婆尸菩薩當其生
T0001_.01.0004b29: 時。從右脇出。專念不亂。從右脇出。墮地行
T0001_.01.0004c01: 七歩。無人扶侍。遍觀四方。擧手而言。天 画像
T0001_.01.0004c02: 上天下唯我爲尊。

『有部律雑事』
T1451_.24.0298a08: 震動。放大光明與入胎無異。菩薩生時帝釋
T1451_.24.0298a09: 親自手承置蓮花上不假扶侍足蹈七花行
T1451_.24.0298a10: 七歩已。遍觀四方手指上下作如是語。此即 画像
T1451_.24.0298a11: 是我最後生身。天上天下唯我獨尊。

『大唐西域記』
T2087_.51.0902a22: 有無憂華樹。今已枯悴。菩薩誕靈之處。菩
T2087_.51.0902a23: 薩以吠舍佉月後半八日。當此三月八日。上
T2087_.51.0902a24: 座部則曰。以吠舍佉月後半十五日。當此三
T2087_.51.0902a25: 月十五日。次東窣堵波。無憂王所建。二龍
T2087_.51.0902a26: 浴太子處也。菩薩生已不扶而行於四方
T2087_.51.0902a27: 各七歩。而自言曰。天上天下唯我獨尊。今茲
T2087_.51.0902a28: 而往生分已盡。隨足所蹈出大蓮花。

『瑞応経』
T0185_.03.0473b28: 人也。自夫人懷妊。天爲獻飮食。自然日至。
T0185_.03.0473b29: 夫人得而享之。不知所從來。不復饗王厨以
T0185_.03.0473c01: 爲苦且辛。到四月八日夜明星出時。化從右 画像
T0185_.03.0473c02: 脇生墮地。即行七歩。擧右手住而言。天上
T0185_.03.0473c03: 天下。唯我爲尊。

> 1) Is this announcement found in sanskrit or is it a Chinese invention?

The dictionary gives only a Pāli equivalent, but there must certainly be some Sanskrit equivalent. -- But the Pāli equivalent given by the dictionary does not exactly fit the Chinese rendering. In fact, the Sanskrit equivalent seems to be "ahaṃ loke jyeṭṣho," "I am the eldest in the world" (see Lamotte, Le Traité de la Grande Vertu de Sagesse, I, p. 8 in note; Id., La concentration de la marche héroïque, p. 223 and n. 247 [where the Chinese has:
T0642_.15.0640b16: 胎。或現欲生。或現生已而行七歩。擧手自
T0642_.15.0640b17: 稱天上天下唯我爲尊。]).

> 2) If it is found in Sanskrit, may the "I" like the English "you" be taken to mean everyone?

If I understand your question, certainly no. It is the only the Bodhisattva Siddhārtha who declared that he is the only one who was to be honored in the world.
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Dear Robin:

There are many Chinese versions of this saying, and many of them can be
shown to be based on Indic versions, both in Sanskrit and in Pali texts.
The version best known in English is found in the Pali Canon. Below I
will give a Chinese text corresponding to the Pali, the Pali version,
and an English translation from the Pali (all provided via digital
searches).

The Chinese 長阿含經 (Dīrghāgama) 大本經 (a.k.a. 大本緣經 ) says:

《長阿含經》卷1:
「佛告比丘:「諸佛常法:毗婆尸菩薩當其生時,從右脇出,專念不亂。從右脇出,墮地行七步,無人扶侍,遍觀四方,舉手而言:『天上天下唯我為尊,要度眾生生老病死。』此是常法。」」(CBETA,
T01, no. 1, p. 4, b28-c3)

CBETA gives the corresponding Pali for the line
天上天下唯我為尊,要度眾生生老病死 as:
Aggo 'ham asmi lokassa, jeṭṭho 'ham asmi lokassa, seṭṭho 'ham asmi lokassa.

This passage in the Pali language Dīghanikāya no. 14 Mahāpadhāna sutta
was translated into English by T. W. Rhys Davids (ca. 1899: Dialogues of
the Buddha) as:
<begin quote>
29. 'It is the rule, brethren, that, when a Bodhisat has come to birth,
he stands firm on both feet and, with his face to the north, takes seven
strides, the while a white canopy is held over him and, looking around
on every side, he utters as with the voice of a bull: "Chief am I in the
world, Eldest am I in the world, Foremost am I in the world! This is the
last birth! There is now no more coming to be!" That, in such a case, is
the rule.
<end quote>
See:  https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Mahapadana_Sutta

In the original Indic Buddhist context, this line emphasizes that the
Buddha alone is supreme and unique. In Chinese Chan and Japanese Zen
literature, though, the "I" of the Buddha is understood to the
originally awakened wisdom possessed by all people. Every Zen adept who
attains awakening becomes supreme in the world by attaining the supreme
Buddha wisdom.

I hope this information is helpful.

. . . William Bodiford
> Robin D Gill
>
> 只今、前にWebで見た現在っぽいと思った解釈は二宮尊徳の言葉の要略だったはずと判った。(狂歌を練る暇ないが、文のみかと昼も夜明のしらみによむが無理でさすがに二宮損にゃハ試しに。下記はGoogle検索2件を混合したが
>
> 「。。。されば銘々各々皆、天上天下唯我独尊なり、犬も独尊なり、鷹も独尊也、猫も杓子も独尊と云ふて可なる物なり」
> 二宮尊徳は、この説話で、世界中の誰もが、自分がこの世で最も尊い存在であると、考えて良いのである、と教えている。この説話は、第百五十二話の追補のところでも述べたが、尊徳の平等感の現われである。これは釈尊だけでなく、世界皆、我も人も、ただこれ、我こそ、天上にも、天下にも尊い者である、我に勝って尊い物は、決して無いものであるという教訓の言葉である。
> ...
>
> その二宮説は、個々をして絶対的であろうが、お互い様ですから相対的でもあります。皆がそれぞれ我なる、我は釈迦だと道元の中なる仏。藤田さんの否仏性をGoogleすれば、「法有我」という語も見つけたが、それにもなるかどうか。。。 あ、かの八文字の解釈と関係ないが、ぶつぶつが出る数多古狂歌の中に、一休をして渋い詠みある=にゃっと笑います。
>
> 死んでから仏というも何ゆえぞ 小言も言わず邪魔にならねば
>
> Be that as it may, to me Ninomiya seems absolutely modern! And, hey
> his statues at school showing him reading books as he walks -- i see
> it all the time except that it is less educational stuff on smart=dumb
> phones!  If anyone can take Ninomiya's explanation back for me i would
> be grateful, but it would be fun to learn if his idea was
> revolutionary, too. As i know new thoughts are rare that would
> surprise me. よろしくお願いします。robin d gill
> ps sorry to interrupt the Conference announcement but i saw no replies
> for a few days so ....
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> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Or Porath <orip...@gmail.com
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> Dear Colleagues,
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> *The World of /Abhiṣeka/: Initiation and Consecration Rituals in
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> 灌頂の世界:仏教文化圏における入門・伝授儀礼の思想と実践.
> May 7 and 8, 2018
> University of California, Santa Barbara
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> This is the first conference to address in a comprehensive and
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> /abhiṣeka/ (/kanjō/) ceremonies, in which someone is either
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> Participants: Abe Yasurō (Nagoya University, Keynote Speaker);
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> Co-organized by the Shinto Studies Chair at University of
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Thank you. Before i saw this, one person Elizabeth Kenney mention the Pali connection and i checked w the chinese characters + that and found almost all i just seen above. Thank you to all but esp to Iyanaga-san (is Nakamura, Nakamura hajime? If so he gave an interesting interpretation that makes the boast appropriate for various buddhas though still not so extraordinary as that of  ! Wow! I had no idea. These 8 characters hinted at a books-worth of discussion! Most of the orig Pali esp the French trans backs up the doubt expressed by the kyouka! So, unless i am mistaken, the mystery to be solved at this point is whether the marvelous (maybe literally wrong but wonderfully right to my sense of things idea of Ninomiya is his invention or found in older setsuwa etc.) . I hope you who have more ways to search than i do can find out what is the case!   That is a hard Question.  An easier one is this: why "lion's roar?!" I KNOW that because i heard real lions roar almost every morning as i grew up. Really lions. The real thing. I do not get the symbolic one. Especially as i associated Buddha w India and did not know India had lions! I thought it was tigers! Be that as it may, any and all feedback is welcomed! 敬愚=ロビン

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To Robin,

Lions in India?
Yes. Leo leo. See Wikip.
"The Asiatic lion is a lion population in Gujarat, India, which is
listed as Endangered on the IUCN Red List because of its small
population size. Since 2010, the lion population in and around Gir
Forest National Park has steadily increased."

Also:
Sinha is a Sanskrit term originates in the Indian subcontinent, common
in India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Pakistan, covering south Asia. It
comes from the Sanskrit word "Siṃha" ('ng' sound), which means 'Lion'.

NB also Singha Beer. And among the Sikhs the titles Kaur and Singh.
Not to mention Singapura >>>(Malay name), meaning Lion City.

More importantly for the Buddhist connection, see:
The Shorter Discourse on the Lion's Roar. Translated from the Pali by
Ñanamoli Thera. edited and revised by Bhikkhu Bodhi

1. Thus have I heard. On one occasion the Blessed One was living at
Savatthi in Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's Park. There he addressed the
Bhikkhus thus: "Bhikkhus." -- "Venerable sir," they replied. The
Blessed One said this:
2. "Bhikkhus, only here is there a recluse, only here a second
recluse, only here a third recluse, only here a fourth recluse. The
doctrines of others are devoid of recluses: that is how you should
rightly roar your lion's roar.[1]

Footnote1. Comy. explains "lion's roar" (sihanada) as meaning a
supreme roar (setthanada), a fearless roar (abhitanada), and a roar
which cannot be confuted (appatinada). It adds: The roar about the
existence of these four types of recluse only here is the supreme
roar. The absence of any fear on account of others when one advances
such a claim makes it a fearless roar. As none of the rival teachers
can rise up and say, "These recluses also exist in our Dispensation,"
it is a roar which cannot be confuted.
Zitat von "robin d. gill" <robin...@gmail.com>:

And there is the full name of the Srimala....namely Śrīmālādevī
Siṃhanāda Sūtra (= Shomangyo).

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Dear Michael and all,

Yes, lions still exist in Western India. Normally it is ever tigers or lions, because they have the same ecological function, but given the fact that lions were found in antiquity from Anatolia to Iran, this is hardly surprising. Tigers, on the other hand, are found from Russian Far East to India (although extinct in Korea and in most of China). So we have the crossing of two habitats in India. This also not surprising given that lions and tigers are normally found in quite different environments: lions in the arid savannas or semi-deserts, and tigers in the forested mountains (whether it is taiga or tropical forests).


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Thank you, one & all. 

It seems the Pali Canon's "Lion's Roar" is patently more self-aggrandizing than even the senryu & kyouka writers I presented could have known! Yet, one explanation of it as proclaiming Shaka's destiny after which he reverted to looking like the new-born he was seems almost like Quantum time and if the older teaching Buddha wasn't the humble god i imagined in most accounts, at least he did not demand praise as the totally insecure or imho mentally ill gods of some other religions we know do.

Still no clear predecessors of Ninomiya Sontoku's idea of the 8 character proclamation standing for all who are born realizing their individual irreplaceable worth. However,  I read a claim that said birth & proclamation is one of 30 things true for ALL Buddhas, i.e. all bodhisattva. Could Ninomiya have read THAT and expanded it? Alas, i have no date for that or original language. 

Even the Heaven-above-heaven-below gets two possible etymologies.Is it A) a description of baby Buddha's body language (indicating up and down) in one lost Pali version Chinesed into the 8-character statement,  or B) a mistranslation of a lost original describing a vision/hallucination of the newborn up in the air though actually on the ground? I've come across both.

The lion. Not knowing I'd open my mail to find some information on it, I ran into it and researched myself.  The following is the most thorough:  

https://www.buddhismuskunde.uni-hamburg.de/pdf/5-personen/analayo/lions-roar.pdf

However, i am grateful for the natural history sent to me as i do love it. It seems to me that Chinese like Japanese most appreciate the big cat with KING written on his forehead, i.e. the tiger except for one lucky coincidence 獅子吼 which may just denote lion's roar BUT includes teacher+child in the lion & maybe the newborn spouting off just out  of the hole in the roar ... (and for me recalls my entire childhood as the roar of lions at the zoo shot down the beach or on the water and popped up and through our shack's windows every morning). 


Be that as it may, I would love to learn more on when Japanese come to find boasting a bad thing & connect it with those 8 characters? Are the poems I give the first complaints?(i doubt it) And how was such boasting (or stating of facts if you are a true-believer?) rationalized/excused by Buddhists and educators in Japan, or earlier in China. Did Ninomiya invent his explanation or inherit it? 


Sorry about the double line below -- Gmail made it when i copied in the Lion's Roar pdf link why i do not know --


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With respect, I feel that this query contains both ableist and racially deterministic language. Calling gods "mentally ill" or religious works "self-aggrandizing" and different to your own "humble" image of them is discriminatory language, and assuming all Japanese people experience religion the same way, moreover that that has any relationship to how Chinese people experience religion, is painting the experiences of millions of people in two entirely different cultures as a monolith. As scholars, approaching religion and culture different to our own requires care and self-reflection. I don't wish to start a fight or even a large discussion, but I do believe it is our responsibility as people with a voice to use it to end colonialism. Thank you,

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Dear Sasha,
Perhaps your sanction about politicisation is a little harsh.
After all, he did say "respectfully"...and there are real questions
about perceptions and the derivation of perceptions, and the critique
of perceptions.
But anyway, to Robin, I do wonder if the issue you present is
quite rightly pitched. I've been trying to puzzle out the issue you
are raising. Surely it has to be clear that the famous saying does not
in fact derive from the Buddha himself. So the Buddha himself was not
boasting.
Boasting on someone's behalf on the other hand, by followers, is a
normal feature of hagiography. So is the creation of infancy stories,
as all over the world. Is that really boasting?
Moreover, infancy stories are an example of what may be called
"ontological thrust". That means that, retrospectively a particular
religious figure, previously subject to historical finitude, is
shoved upstairs into a cosmological perspective. Thus, the Buddha was
a "jina" - a conqueror, part of a cycle of jinas. Or he was one of a
sequence of transcendent buddhas (all the others being fictitious - in
neo-colonialist terms, if anyone insists). What are the causes of an
earthquake? - regular amazing occurrences in the appearance of
buddhas. Etc.
In other words, the saying in question isn't really "boasting"
unless you are a literalist. Rather, it's a kind of
cosmologically/ontologically projected honouring of an honoured being.
Perhaps the recognition of this would lead to an adjustment of
your original question (nothing to do with Abhiseka, I fear).
best wishes,
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Dear Michael (and all).,

I think it was "she", not "he", which ultimately makes no difference, of course, if the brain is properly used. I trust it was not in this case, because after "respectfully" there was a bucket full of political correctness. Hmm, what did Kuukai or Oda Nobunaga said about M.L. King?😀.
I welcome Buddha as a jinaist, as long he is not a jihadist 😊. But I would rather not hear anything about post-colonialism -- to my taste it is pseudo-science, or whitch-hunt,or modern day inquisition -- whatever label you prefer (all of them being completely intolerant to other points of view -- a Western style Jihad?), but in any case it distracts us from our main objective -- premodern Japan that was neither colonial nor actually rank-and-bone system at least before Heian the more I work on my Man'yooshuu edition and translation the more I see the openness of the Ancient Japanese society.

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