Plover dictionary - missing words?

[Tyler Weitzman]

Sometimes when I look up words they are not in the plover dictionary. For example, the word "ponies" for pony plural. Am I looking it up wrong or is the dictionary actually missing words that I'm supposed to create myself?

[Mirabai Knight]

Pony doesn't need an explicit entry, because Plover's orthography rules know to turn the -y ending into an -ies ending when the -S key is hit after the word "pony".

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM, Tyler Weitzman <tylerw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sometimes when I look up words they are not in the plover dictionary. For example, the word "ponies" for pony plural. Am I looking it up wrong or is the dictionary actually missing words that I'm supposed to create myself?

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[Mirabai Knight]

*Ponies

[Peter Adriano DeBiase]

To expand on Mirabai's comment, you can also "tuck" an -S or -Z into the last stroke of the word to make it plural.

In main.json, one of the outlines for "pony" is POE/TPHEU, so you could get "ponies" by stroking POE/TPHEUS or POE/TPHEUZ (assuming there are no other conflicting outlines).

The same applies to tucking "-ing" or "-ed" endings into a word (POE/TPHEUG = "ponying" and POE/TPHEUD = "ponied").

Sometimes it's not possible to tuck the ending in (or you forget), in which case you just add a quick extra -S or -G or -D stroke to get the desired ending (POE/TPHEU/S = "ponies").

Plover includes native support for most common orthography rules. You might find it helpful to spend an afternoon or evening skimming through Zack Brown's Learn Plover! textbook or Ted's in-progress Plover Theory textbook. Both should cover the majority of the basic building blocks of steno that you will need to know. Good luck!

[Zack Brown]

What Mirabai and Peter said. But also, you should be careful when looking up words in the dictionary. A lot of entries are "misstrokes" that are only intended to make sure plover outputs the right word when you make a mistake on the keyboard.

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 9:52 PM, Tyler Weitzman <tylerw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sometimes when I look up words they are not in the plover dictionary. For example, the word "ponies" for pony plural. Am I looking it up wrong or is the dictionary actually missing words that I'm supposed to create myself?

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Zack Brown

[Zack Brown]

There's no good way. I think the dictionary file should allow comments within the json. The json spec says no, but there's no reason not to violate the spec. Then each entry could have a comment like "#canonical", "#misstroke", "#brief", "#preferred usage" etc

Until then, I think the best solution is still to look things up in the dictionary file, but just be careful about it. Analyze the strokes yourself to see which match plover theory, which are misstrokes, and which are briefs. You can tell the misstrokes because they'll probably be at least as long as the theory form and get some sounds wrong. You can tell the briefs because they'll be short. The hardest to identify will be misstrokes for brief forms. But most briefs have at least some kind of logic to them, i.e. something to make them more memorable in relation to the word, or a particular cluster of keys that other briefs use to represent the same clusters of letters/sounds. So you might be able to identify a "misstroke brief" by looking up similar words and seeing if they use similar briefs. And if something really resists understanding, you can always ask on the mailing list, so the answer will be available to all.

Be well,

Zack

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 6:33 PM, Tyler Weitzman <tylerw...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Zack. Really appreciate the Learn Plover tutorials by the way, nearly finished with all the lessons

Is there a “correct" way to look up the right stroke for a word? http://stenoknight.com/plover/ploverlookup/ does show the category while the local Plover app does not, however, the online look up seems to miss a lot of words.

So far I’ve been using the local app lookup and going with the shortest one that makes sense to me. I’ve also been using typeytype a lot to learn, their custom lessons automatically assign strokes to words. They’ve usually made sense.

Unfortunately neither method above is good for when there’s a brief for multiple words, so I’ve only learned phrases like “That’s right” from preset exercises and lists

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