Plover for chording with all qwertz keys? German Stiefographie

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Thorsten Haßiepen

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Feb 8, 2016, 7:48:20 AM2/8/16
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Maybe this is a little bit strange. Yet the german steno community is so small, one can hardly find any help in learning steno in the german language. (Or does anyone know of good literature etc.?)

As an amateur in the steno-world, being a german lawyer, I have to write and write and write. Voice recognition is nice, but sometimes I don't feel like talking (e.g. after having a phone call with more than ten minutes, I'd like to relax and not speak the note into my computer, but like to just write it down on my keyboard).

There is however a website ( http://computer-stenografie.beepworld.de ), which uses a shortened language for writing "stiefografie" ( an even shorter writing than steno ) to get fewer keystrokes when using a normal qwertz-keyboard.

Since this system is very easy to learn, I was wondering, if with plover software it is possible to use all (!) qwertz-keys and assign them to certain briefs anyhow.

For example (german only):

One would write -- which translates to german (english)

D -- doch (yet)
wrklx -- wirklich (really)
1ßtjg- -- einsteigen (step in)
vsgh- -- ausgehen (go out)
4rßth- -- verstehen (understand)
0gheurlx -- ungeheuerlich
.
.
.

A word like "wirklich" could then be split up into two strokes ("wirk", "rich"), which then be represented by two chords (e.g. "wrk", "lx").

To use stiefographie however, one would need all qwertz-keys on the keyboard.

Basically it would be a new dictionary, which uses a different keyboard layout with all qwertz-keys ... wouldn't it?

What had to be reconfigured with plover to get this going? I read the article " https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/ploversteno/MYNlSMD68Qc ", where for steno a german keyboard-layout is introduced. This however only uses 22 keys.

Help, anyone?

Thanks a lot!

Best regards
Thorsten

Jeremy W. Sherman

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Feb 8, 2016, 9:43:51 AM2/8/16
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Stiefografie looks similar to Speedwriting in the Anglosphere, which was originally a shorthand system intended for use with typewriters, though I believe was subsequently modified for handwriting.

It sounds like you want to adapt it for syllabic chording rather than sequential typing. That risks introducing conflicts. You might make faster progress sticking with sequential input, and having the translation engine record keys as themselves without translation. Then, on hitting space or punctuation, it would backspace over the last word and type in its translation into German.

For that, the dictionary is one approach, but you can probably skip the dictionary for most things with some logic in the translator. The Stiefografie system seems fairly regular in application, like the phonetic rewrites used to free up c to stand for nd/nt. This means you can probably predict most of the transformations to apply without needing to build a dictionary for anything but briefs. For somewhat related work, check out http://steno.tu-clausthal.de/ and the explanation of how it works in http://www.dante.de/DTK/Ausgaben/dtk09-1.pdf pp. 7–20 for something similar applied to converting German => DEK.

Cheers,
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Jeremy W. Sherman
https://jeremywsherman.com/

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Thorsten Haßiepen

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Feb 8, 2016, 1:25:19 PM2/8/16
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Will visit the pages you recommended. Thanks for your answer.

Ellis Pratt

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Feb 9, 2016, 3:58:00 AM2/9/16
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Thorsten Haßiepen

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Feb 11, 2016, 6:30:20 AM2/11/16
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Thanks a lot.
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