Birds-eye view

[Finn Arild]

Hi - new member into this group, so: Hello All!

I need something like Plone Social Networking to manage all my social
networks. I am a musician, as well as a Plone programmer currently
working for Trolltech (soon-to-be Nokia) and would like a simple way
to posts moods, blogs, events, news (the list goes on) to all my
networks from one place - as well as provide fans (heh - hoping for)
with connections to the networks I am in and other fans.

That is my usecase - I see you have some different needs, but I would
like that we created a birds-eye document which describes exactly what
it is we are trying to make, on which platforms (looks like it's for
Plone 3 currently - I would like us to stay 2.5 compitable if at all
possible) and how we plan to go about it. A specification and a plan,
really. As it is now, I find it a bit difficult to understand the
scope of exactly what you are trying to accomplish.

I will be happy to contribute to this project once I understand
exactly what it is (and after molding the specs so they include my
needs) ... :) ...

[Dylan Jay]

I think best birds eye so far is
http://groups.google.com/group/plone-social-networking/web/componentmodel
but others need to modify it and we're still working it out.

[Finn Arild]

Yes - I read that. It would be useful (in fact it always is) to have a
more "mission" type document which is never concerned with technical
specification details . My idea is more around consolidating and
pushing data out to networking sites than to use Plone as a networking
tool. As it stands I am unsure whether I should work around this
project or create a new one.

As a quick stab at my part of the "mission" :

Problem: As a musician I have come to rely on several different social
networking sites to connect to old and new potential fans. Updating
these sites with my blogs, news, podcasts, "whatiamdoingnows" and
whatnots is starting to take too much time.

Solution: Use my own, Plone based site as the source for these data
and then push them out to the different social networks (inverse
aggregation).

That's it, really. It would be really helpful to have a similar
mission statement for whatever you are working for, so we can see if
our work can be consolidated.

[Christian Scholz / Tao Takashi (SL)]

Hi Finn,

welcome on board! :-)

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Finn Arild <finn...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes - I read that. It would be useful (in fact it always is) to have a
more "mission" type document which is never concerned with technical
specification details . My idea is more around consolidating and
pushing data out to networking sites than to use Plone as a networking
tool. As it stands I am unsure whether I should work around this
project or create a new one.

Well, I think the main mission right now is to use Plone as a social networking tool,
being able to sign up to a Plone site, connect with friends, add profile information and
probably some multimedia assets.

Your use case is also interesting though and sounds like what partly in what the DataPortability
Project is looking into. There is also the DiSo group which try to do something similar but for Wordpress.

That being said I think what's missing are still some common standards to do all that. There seems
to be much activity in the retrieving of information though (friendfeed.com et al) and one of the basic
use cases of DataPortability is to discover where information is stored.

As I think something like this can also be part of that it might be interesting to see what
types of use cases you have. From where you want to import, where you want to post etc.
Maybe make a list of examples. So if somebody is interested in working on it there is at least
a starting point. This might in fact also be useful for these other (more general, not plone specific)
groups to look at, like DataPortability and others.
 

As a quick stab at my part of the "mission" :

Problem: As a musician I have come to rely on several different social
networking sites to connect to old and new potential fans. Updating
these sites with my blogs, news, podcasts, "whatiamdoingnows" and
whatnots is starting to take too much time.

That definitely sounds like one of the use cases DataPortability has in mind.
There need to be broader standards though for something like this to work. So maybe
have a look at http://dataportability.org and join the discussion if you want to.

Solution: Use my own, Plone based site as the source for these data
and then push them out to the different social networks (inverse
aggregation).

That's it, really. It would be really helpful to have a similar
mission statement for whatever you are working for, so we can see if
our work can be consolidated.

I think right now it's not too much in common but I am too very interested in something like this to happen.
The problem is still the standards.

Maybe put this use case in the wiki so we have a starting point?

 

cheers,

Christian

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[Finn Arild]

> > Problem: As a musician I have come to rely on several different social
> > networking sites to connect to old and new potential fans. Updating
> > these sites with my blogs, news, podcasts, "whatiamdoingnows" and
> > whatnots is starting to take too much time.
>
> That definitely sounds like one of the use cases DataPortability has in
> mind.
> There need to be broader standards though for something like this to work.
> So maybe

> have a look athttp://dataportability.organd join the discussion if you
> want to.

Well - as I've been developing cross-communicating systems previously
a couple of times in my career, I know that instead of waiting for
standards you have to make interfaces. My idea is to have a general
content type in plone (i.e. blog) - a general inverted aggregation
service in Plone (triggered by cron or whatnot) - then an interface
into each receiving service (with a python core there is any way which
into delivering it into whatever service we need).

[Dylan Jay]

Hi Finn,

I did try creating a mission once but google pages ate it (bet open plans
wouldn't have done that :)

Instead I just recreated a 5min version of where I see the mission on
http://groups.google.com/group/plone-social-networking/web/componentmodel

I'd love peoples feedback with that. Please let me know if I'm off base.

As for your goals... I think its interesting and it does seem to fit within
the mission I've written but not sure yet how you'd do it. Can't you just
write a blog and convince all your other services to read your rss? Facebook
and myspace both read aggregate your rss into your activity stream now
right?

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[Finn Arild]

Yes, Blogs won't be very hard, I think. Possibly a bit more
challenging for sites that do not have rss sockets. Newsposting,
events and whatiamdoingnow's will be a bit more work.

I think that mission statement is just what the doctor ordered,
now :) ...

On 29 Apr, 06:19, "Dylan Jay" <dja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Finn,
>
> I did try creating a mission once but google pages ate it (bet open plans
> wouldn't have done that :)
>

> Instead I just recreated a 5min version of where I see the mission onhttp://groups.google.com/group/plone-social-networking/web/componentm...