Turbo Tweak Chip

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Annemie

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Aug 5, 2024, 10:40:46 AM8/5/24
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RecentlyI came across the webpage of a tuning shop where the shop claims that by doing chip tuning they can simultaneously achieve superior performance and less fuel consumption (based on how they framed the description on their site).

Main question: is the above combination doable? They claim that this is possible because higher performance (torque) comes sooner (at lower RPM), so I don't have to whirl the engine that much. (Note: please, do not misunderstand me, I'm not saying they are fake or something, just want to understand whether this double effect is actually possible, and if so, how exactly.)


Additionally, they also say that one should expect the same engine lifetime (they are tweaking the ECU settings within the manufacturer's limits/suggestions). Opinion? (The condition of the engine is what I'd be worried about the most.)


I did take a look at the Wikipedia page here, however, it doesn't seem to say anything about simultaneous positive effects (still, the potential outcomes are combined with an "or" in the leading sentence).


In very general terms, across most mainstream manufacturers the tune out of the factory has to be conservative to cover a range of gas quality, altitude, weather conditions, driving styles, emissions regulations etc... plus to protect engine components from additional strain. Note that some changes will have an effect on the ingredients of exhaust gas, hence for emissions reasons California is now bans non-approved engine tunes.


It's no doubt possible for an aftermarket tune to advance spark plug timing for better combustion efficiency and output although many tuners also inject more fuel under load to control cylinder temps with higher timing. After that depending on the engine there's fuelling, turbo boost, VVT, EGR, DBW and many other parameters for them to tweak. One way that some basic commercial tuning solutions work is just to change the sensitivity of the accelerator pedal so that the throttle plate is opened earlier but would use more fuel depending on how the driver adapts to this change.


You could ask them exactly what they change but may get an approximate answer as much work on stock ECU's is done through time consuming reverse engineering so these details would be seen as a business advantage. However it all depends on how the many thousand lines of computer code, maps and variables are configured in the cars computers. Some similar model cars have different stock programming just depending on which model year or region is applicable. It's unlikely that the entire ECU is fully understood by anyone outside of the manufacturer and there are complex dynamics between the engine, transmission and other modules. With that said it's theoretically possible to modify one area of the computer but another area not to know of, or be ready for the change which could cause issues.


Bear in mind that pro tuning is usually done on a dyno with test runs between each change to measure torque and power at the wheels and to asses air fuel ratios, trims, knock, internal temperatures, amongst many other variables. An off the shelf after-market chip tune would be a standard recipe that doesn't account for mechanical differences between even identical looking cars. Goes without saying that trying to tune a car with poor maintenance or existing faults can cause issues. So sure there is risk in chip tuning, the chances are that if you can quantitatively measure before and after power, torque and MPG it wouldn't be as much as promised but could make an improvement.


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The new "Clarksfield" Core i7 Mobile processors introduced at the Intel Developer Forum last week are certainly very impressive. They're huge high-performance quad-core chips with Hyper-Threading, support for two channels of DDR3-1333 DRAM, and an on-die PCI Express controller for the fastest possible connection to discrete graphics chips.


In his IDF session announcing these parts, Intel Vice President Mooly Eden said the best of these parts, the 2GHz Core i7-920XM Extreme Edition, is "the fastest quad-core processor, the fastest dual-core processor, and the fastest single-core processor"-- all in one chip.


The key to this dramatic claim is a feature called Turbo Boost technology. Basically, if the current application workload isn't keeping all four cores fully busy and pushing right up against the chip's TDP (Thermal Design Power) limit, Turbo Boost can increase the clock speed of each core individually to get more performance out of the chip.


It's easy to see how this works when just one or two cores are being actively used; whatever power the other two or three cores would have consumed can be redirected over to the active cores, allowing them to run at higher speeds.


The quad-core mode of Turbo Boost is a little more subtle; it works when the four cores aren't running a worst-case workload--for example, integer-heavy processing, since it's generally floating-point calculations that consume the most power--so they aren't bumping into the TDP limit. Turbo Boost can increase the frequency of all four cores until they're running as fast as they can for the current workload.


Eden said that the Turbo Boost controller samples the current power consumption and chip temperature 200 times per second and makes whatever adjustments are necessary. Of course, if Windows isn't asking for more performance, Turbo Boost doesn't deliver it.


That's how Intel wants everyone to think of Turbo Boost, but it isn't really the natural way. To explain why, I'll have to digress briefly and describe how chips are designed and built.


Any given microprocessor core architecture, like the Nehalem architecture underlying these new parts, has a certain typical complexity expressed in terms of a number of equivalent gate delays. The clock period has to be long enough to accommodate all of these gate delays.


Any given process technology, like Intel's 45nm "P1266" technology, has its own characteristics. These can be tweaked somewhat to optimize for higher speed, higher yield, lower power consumption, higher transistor density, etc., but generally a company like Intel has just one recipe for high-performance microprocessors like the Core i7.


The combination of the gate delays in the logical design of a chip with the physical transistor and interconnect performance figures for a process determines a maximum clock speed for that chip on that process. As chips are manufactured, they're tested for functionality and speed against various standards like power consumption and temperature rating; each speed grade ends up with its own part number, like "920XM" for the fastest Core i7 Mobile chips.


For the Core i7-920XM, that maximum speed bin is 3.2GHz, not the 2GHz value which is marked on the part. In principle, the 920XM could run all of its cores at 3.2GHz all the time if enough power was available and if the heat sink could keep the chip cool. (This is why Turbo Boost isn't like consumer overclocking: the chip is operating within its design specifications at all times.)


In a laptop, the potential for quad-core 3.2GHz operation just can't be realized. Intel selected the 55W TDP specification for the 920XM because that's a practical limit for a laptop processor. Combine that number with the rest of the chipset, the memory, a high-end graphics chip, and a big high-resolution LCD panel, and the whole laptop might be consuming 80W-100W when running all-out.


If the 920XM were configured to run all of its cores at 3.2GHz, I estimate it would consume at least 110W of power for the CPU alone--completely untenable in a mainstream laptop. (Though it's true that some original equipment manufacturers make laptops using desktop Nehalem processors; they're just huge, heavy, and hot.)


So Intel calculated how much it has to slow down the 920XM in order to meet the industry-standard definition of TDP, which amounts to a worst-case real-world workload running on all four cores. (Maximum power is defined in terms of a worst-case synthetic "power virus," but since real applications aren't that brutal in their processing demands, maximum power is only of interest to chip and system designers.)


It's worth looking at the previous Extreme Edition mobile processor, the Core 2 Extreme QX9300, which is a quad-core chip that can run all four cores continuously at 2.53 GHz. In spite of the QX9300's faster clock speed, there will still be many situations where the 920XM is faster on quad-core workloads because of the newer Nehalem microarchitecture, which usually gets more work done per clock period.


I haven't seen any good benchmarking comparisons between these two chips. Intel published some selected benchmarks at IDF, but not many, and it isn't clear to me what aspects of chip performance were being stressed.


But for dual-core and single-core performance, the 920XM should be much faster than its predecessor, combining the superior Nehalem architecture with the higher clock speeds enabled by Turbo Boost. The QX9300 has a simpler feature called Dynamic Acceleration Technology, but its effect is limited to only about one speed grade, roughly 10 percent. In most dual-core cases, and I think in all single-core cases, the 920XM will be much faster for the same power consumption.


As I explained in my previous post (see "Intel's Lynnfield mysteries solved"), this same chip design will also be used in desktops and servers, where Intel uses the code names "Lynnfield" and "Jasper Forest" respectively.


In desktops, there's room for the huge heat sinks and fans needed to keep the chip cool, so Intel can mark these chips with faster clock speeds... but the maximum clock rate will still be similar, so the benefits of Turbo Boost will be smaller. In servers, sustained quad-core throughput is the most important thing, so Turbo Boost may not be supported at all; if present, it'll be a relatively minor aspect of the chip's real-world performance.

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