Which keyboard layout do you use?
Kai Becker
- and apologies for writing English in a Polish newsgroup. I just started
learning Polish and wouldn't be able yet to express my question in your
language.
More apologies, if this is not really the appropriate group for my question,
as it actually applies to all versions of Windows. I just expect to get the
most qualified answers from NT users ;-)
So, here's the question:
In Windows, I can chose from two different Polish keyboard layout options.
One is called "Polish (214)", the other "Polish (Programmers)".
Which one do you use?
Also, I noticed that each layout option is lacking several characters. On
the 214 layout, I coudn't find any capital versions of most the polish
special characters like *z z kropka*, *s z kreska*, and so on. These can be
generated in the Programmers layout by pressing AltTab+Shift+Z and
AltTab+Shift+S. But then again on the Programmers layout, I cannot find the
*z z kreska* - neither small nor capital.
How do you generate those missing characters in each keyboard layout?
Thanks in advance
Kai Becker
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Pawel Janowski
> In Windows, I can chose from two different Polish keyboard layout options.
> One is called "Polish (214)", the other "Polish (Programmers)".
> Which one do you use?
Polish programes
> Also, I noticed that each layout option is lacking several characters. On
> the 214 layout, I coudn't find any capital versions of most the polish
> special characters like *z z kropka*, *s z kreska*, and so on. These can
be
> generated in the Programmers layout by pressing
right ALT + Z
Kajetan
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> Witam.
Czesc :)
> So, here's the question:
> In Windows, I can chose from two different Polish keyboard layout options.
> One is called "Polish (214)", the other "Polish (Programmers)".
> Which one do you use?
We use Polish Programmers, Polish 214 is a mistake ;)
> Also, I noticed that each layout option is lacking several characters. On
> the 214 layout, I coudn't find any capital versions of most the polish
> special characters like *z z kropka*, *s z kreska*, and so on. These can
be
> generated in the Programmers layout by pressing AltTab+Shift+Z and
> AltTab+Shift+S. But then again on the Programmers layout, I cannot find
the
> *z z kreska* - neither small nor capital.
For *z z kreska*(ź) try left alt+x.
Generally, in p-programmer you get polish characters using left alt
and a appropriate letter. (You can also use right ctrl+right alt +letter
when ie. you use left alt for another shortcuts, no matter.)
When you need capital letters, just use shift.
Ś=shift+left alt+s
Ź=shift+left alt+x etc.
Polish 214 replaces symbols like ':.,/][ and other for polish
characters, and that, as you can imagine, is a stupid way ;)
There is also 3rd way - use ~z for ż, ~c for ć etc etc.
> How do you generate those missing characters in each keyboard layout?
In both laytouts there are all characters, but programmer is more
comfortable.
k
Wojtek
> and a appropriate letter. (You can also use right ctrl+right alt +letter
> when ie. you use left alt for another shortcuts, no matter.)
tak w kwestii ścisłości:
"left" to lewy a nie prawy
"right" to dla odmiany prawy nie lewy
Reszta się zgadza
Wojtek
Kai Becker
> tak w kwestii ścisłości:
> "left" to lewy a nie prawy
> "right" to dla odmiany prawy nie lewy
Dziękuję! Już zauważałem.
Kai
Grzegorz GRYC
Kajetan wrote:
>
[Programmers layout]
> For *z z kreska*(ź) try left alt+x.
Right alt :)
> Generally, in p-programmer you get polish characters using left alt
Right alt :)
> and a appropriate letter.
> (You can also use right ctrl+right alt +letter
> when ie. you use left alt for another shortcuts, no matter.)
> When you need capital letters, just use shift.
> Ś=shift+left alt+s
> Ź=shift+left alt+x etc.
>
> Polish 214 replaces symbols like ':.,/][ and other for polish
> characters, and that, as you can imagine, is a stupid way ;)
>
> There is also 3rd way - use ~z for ż, ~c for ć etc etc.
>
> > How do you generate those missing characters in each keyboard layout?
>
> In both laytouts there are all characters, but programmer is more
> comfortable.
For the people who use the US keyboard :)
Kai uses the german layout, I suppose, and the "typewriter", QUERTZ 214
layout may (but don't must...) be more "intuitive".
http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/keyboards/keyboards.asp
The "true" typewriter used a two strokes for the "missing" chars, the
first for kropka (or kreska), an then, the second for the appropriate
letter.
Don't ask how they did it :)
Zdrówkot
GG
Kai Becker
> Just set Polish (Programmers)
> and then:
> right ALT with a gives ą (and with SHIFT gives Ą)
[...]
> right ALT with z gives ż (and with SHIFT gives Ż)
Thanks a lot. This scheme looks much easier to remember to me than the 214
one.
Now, just for the records: Is there really a way to generate the capital
special characters Ą, Ć, Ę, Ń, Ó, Ś, Ź in *214* without cheating?
Oh, and another question just comes to my mind: does the 214 layout happen
to resemble the one on old mechanical typewriters? As these don't have any
Alt keys, there must have been another solution, right?
Kai
Kajetan
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> tak w kwestii ścisłości:
> "left" to lewy a nie prawy
> "right" to dla odmiany prawy nie lewy
O, faktycznie.
k
Grzegorz GRYC
Kai Becker wrote:
>
[...]
> Now, just for the records: Is there really a way to generate the capital
> special characters Ą, Ć, Ę, Ń, Ó, Ś, Ź in *214* without cheating?
http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/keyboards/keyboards.asp
Select the polish 214 layout
See the orange key(s).
Use alt grey (see the orange buttons, they change).
First push the appropriate orange key (don't maintain pressed), then the
appropriate letter.
> Oh, and another question just comes to my mind:
> does the 214 layout happen > to resemble the one on old mechanical
> typewriters?
True, my liege :)
> As these don't have any
> Alt keys, there must have been another solution, right?
See above :)
The original typewriter solution was something like this.
Zdrówkot
GG
Kai Becker
> For the people who use the US keyboard :)
> Kai uses the german layout, I suppose,
That's right.
> and the "typewriter", QUERTZ 214
> layout may (but don't must...) be more "intuitive".
Yeah, I just noticed most of the non-alphanumeric signs (!"%&/=?) have the
same position on 214 as on a German keyboard, while on Programmer, they
don't.
A mixture of both layouts would be great ;-)
I suppose new positions for the non-alphanumeric signs are more difficult to
remember than new positions for letters (which are new for me anyway). Maybe
I should try the 214 then.
> The "true" typewriter used a two strokes for the "missing" chars, the
> first for kropka (or kreska), an then, the second for the appropriate
> letter.
> Don't ask how they did it :)
The carriage didn't move after the first stroke, so with the second stroke,
the letter could be placed exactly below (or above) the diacritical sign. It
works the same with the French accents.
Kai
Kai Becker
> Kai Becker wrote:
> > Now, just for the records: Is there really a way to generate the capital
> > special characters ¡, Æ, Ê, Ñ, Ó, ¦, ¬ in *214* without cheating?
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/keyboards/keyboards.asp
> Select the polish 214 layout
> See the orange key(s).
> Use alt grey (see the orange buttons, they change).
> First push the appropriate orange key (don't maintain pressed), then the
> appropriate letter.
Thanks! Great link.
Kai
Grzegorz GRYC
Kai Becker wrote:
>
> Grzegorz GRYC wrote
> > For the people who use the US keyboard :)
> > Kai uses the german layout, I suppose,
>
> That's right.
>
> > and the "typewriter", QUERTZ 214
> > layout may (but don't must...) be more "intuitive".
>
> Yeah, I just noticed most of the non-alphanumeric signs (!"%&/=?)
> have the same position on 214 as on a German keyboard,
The Polish typewriter layout is an adaptation of the German solution.
The civilisation comes from the West.
The Polish programmer layout is a far west solution ;)
> while on Programmer, they don't.
> A mixture of both layouts would be great ;-)
US International rulez :)
Fuer alle Western Europa sprachen :)
Zdrówkot
GG
Grzegorz GRYC
Kai Becker wrote:
>
> Grzegorz GRYC wrote
[..]
> remember than new positions for letters (which are new for me anyway).
> Maybe I should try the 214 then.
Personally, I think this solution is better for you.
But in Poland, 99.99% of the people use the programmer layout, then if
you come in Poland, you will have problems to communicate :)
> > The "true" typewriter used a two strokes for the "missing" chars, the
> > first for kropka (or kreska), an then, the second for the appropriate
> > letter.
> > Don't ask how they did it :)
>
> The carriage didn't move after the first stroke, so with the second
> stroke, the letter could be placed exactly below (or above) the
> diacritical sign.
I know the principle but I don't remember the keys.
The last time I used the typewriter keyboard, it was twelve years ago :)
> It works the same with the French accents.
True :)
Zdrówkot... french enabled :)
GG