Ben Hogan 39;s Five Lessons Reddit

[Helen Drewski]

Soundslike reasonable post. Just a heads up, one element of making your posts come off as abnormal, is your use of different fonts, colours and bolding. In the written forum world, using the default font size and colour is the 'normal' way to communicate and is done in 99.9% of posts on this forum. When you start over using a mix of unique fonts, it makes your post come off 'unique' - and not in a good way. Go easy on the red copy, bolding and large font sizes as it makes it seem like you are yelling at us with a wacky voice.

Sounds like a reasonable post. Just a heads up, one element of making your posts come off as abnormal, is your use of different fonts, colours and bolding. In the written forum world, using the default font size and colour is the 'normal' way to communicate and is done in 99.9% of posts on this forum. When you start over using a mix of unique fonts, it makes your post come off 'unique' - and not in a good way. Go easy on the red copy, bolding and large font sizes as it makes it seem like you are yelling at us with a wacky voice.

My overall take on Christo is that he is certainly better than the average golfer, but I am not a big fan of Hogan's swing so I don't care for his swing. Five Lessons is outdated instruction, yet is the foundation of MSE. Certainly better than no instruction, and because he does not have a homemade swing that goes nowhere we must at least give him that.

Primarily I am curious of his handicap index. Is he a +5? We all know he is certainly not. I am also curious to how much he has made from his YouTube channel and his schools. Of course he will never tell us, but he will never be a YouTube star unless he wins tournaments.

Preeeetty close to what? Who has defamed who? Christo defamed the Hogan Estate? Or swag defamed a guy pimping off the reputation of a golfer who was regarded by the overwhelming majority of the greats of the game as the best ball striker that ever lived? Someone who during his lifetime was successful in suing publishers for doing exactly what Christo is now doing?

This Christo guy is not a public figure and the OP is attacking his character, and livelihood and not presenting his views as opinion but as fact. He presents it all as fact right from the thread title.

Why would Hogan be defending himself if he's the Plaintiff in your argument? The burden of proof that somehow he is being wronged is on him and that would fall to his estate. His being alive or not won't matter if he is the Plaintiff. His estate would be bringing any suit and they would need to use the tools at their disposal. If he is using Hogan's image without the estates consent based on the case you cited they would be able to argue that.

That doesn't matter unless Hogan has patented or trademarked "The Hogan code" Christo can use it. Hogan would certainly have a trademark on his name used in reference to golf or golf equipment. So that may be an angle for you to take but, without a trademark on the entire sentence I think you are going to be done. There is a golf instructor Gerry Hogan who made some videos, if he tried to use "The Hogan code" for his video you'd never be able to stop him.

The effectiveness of his teachings are completely speculative so you'd have a hard time arguing that. You can't argue that he has no tour level students and his playing ability is not relevant to his teaching ability. You wouldn't be able to argue that since he isn't as good as Hogan he can't use the name. Like I said it's conjecture. It's opinion.

Primarily I am curious of his handicap index. Is he a +5? We all know he is certainly not. I am also curious to how much he has made from his YouTube channel and his schools. Of course he will never tell us, but he will never be a YouTube star unless he wins tournaments.

I don't get the insanity. I'll fess up....I own the Hogan code ebook and video. I also own the Todd Graves book....I also own the Tahata Golf Training Program....I also own Hogan's 5 lessons....I also own McLean's book on Hogan's swing....I also own a 1982 copy of The Golfing Machine....I also own Bobby Clampett's Impact Zone....I could keep going, But are we seeing the pattern yet? I enjoy different theories on the golf swing. As someone who was taught the Square to Square golf swing as a junior back in the early 1970's, it is all progress from there. I find the information in the Hogan code video and ebook well presented, interesting and worth the money that I invested.

I don't think anybody who sees the point of my post could've said it any better. But I guess to some people, the integrity and good name of Ben Hogan isn't worth defending. Their logic is very strange indeed.

1) While MSE isn't a certified golf instructor or a PGA Professional he "sells" e-books and golf clinics based of the fact that he says he knows Ben Hogan's secret and this said knowledge lowered his scores and he can now shoot in the 70s and have even shot under par because of this said knowledge.

3) After he had published his e-book, the only all shot golf vlogs showing MSE skills is from another youtuber's channel. We can clearly see that he sucks. This alone should be a major red flag to anybody with a semblance of common sense.

Exactly what's supposed to happen. Before the voluntary transaction, consumers can see both positive and negative reviews of the product and decide for themselves. Imagine this: they can look at the bad reviews....and even the good reviews too...and all of those in-between. How cool is that?

Not being a PGA Pro or Certified instructor does not necessary disqualify someone from providing valuable advice to golfers particularly when it is focused on a niche area (ie like replicating the Hogan swing). Though it is not the majority, there are plenty of examples of reputable individuals selling golf advice with no certification.

One of your points is that he is not a 'good' player. The way you write it you make it sound like his claim is that he can shoot in the 70's. As golf claims go, being able to break 80 is not really a big deal. You don't need to be particularly exceptional to do it or even have a fundamentally strong swing. If he made an outrages claim, like he is tour caliber or somethingI I would be interested in him proving it, but to claim you are capable of shooting 7-9 over par from time to time, I am willing to accept that with out much proof or evidence as I am not impressed either way. No need to provide shot by shot vlogs (I mean who does that anyway?)

Your point about thinking the one round on YouTube shows him looking like a dodgy golfer. Sure he does not look great, but one round or in this case several shots from one round does not mean a golfer is trash or incapable of shooting x or y score.

The other point I will hit on is that the lack of his students/supporters coming to his aid in this thread. I don't think he has that many students, and this thread does not draw that any eyes. No big surprise that you don't have students weighing in left and right.

What I will say is you could be 100% correct in that MSE is a scammer, but as an objective observer I don't find you argument convincing. For the little I watched on youtube, his schtick seems to be: I was a bad golfer, I got better (and documented it) and I will share with you how I did it.

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