Anyone seen a 2021 Pino yet? Electric or Non-Electric

[Head Honcho]

Just wondering if anyone has seen the new Pino yet.   

Looking at the english language Hase Pino webpage,  it appears that the new style frame is only being used for the Pino Tour (non-electric), equipped with a Rohloff and the Pino Steps (electric)   The Pino Allround seems to be remaining on the 2020 style frame. 

Not that I have any need to be upgrading just yet I remain intrigued by the collapsible wheelbase of the 2021 model and I'd very much like to see the new style captain's handlebars. 

It appears that the use of the Rohloff is necessary on the Pino Tour to get sufficient gearing range because Hase has not equipped the captain's crankset with a front derailleur. 

Happy trails everyone!

[Doug Smart]

Hello,

We have a new Pino 2021 Steps, it’s amazing. We have a 2018 Allrounder, which we now keep in Perth Australia, where it’s super flat. We have recently established a home in Brisbane, to be close to one of my sons, and we decided to get an electric assist because it’s a little more hilly. We took delivery of the new ’21 Steps in the week before Christmas. 

I’m super impressed by the build quality, and the telescopic frame is remarkable. I must say, I haven’t fiddled with the bike much, as we’ve had other priorities, but we’ve had it out for a few rides and it “feels" just the same. The bike doesn’t have a double kickstand yet, which we miss a bit, but apart from that, it’s all good. We’re delighted with it.

Let me know any questions. I’m actually not in the same house as the bike right now, so I can’t do any close up pics or anything like that …

Cheers,

Doug Smart

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[Head Honcho]

Your new Pino STEPS looks great and I'm jealous of the pleasant weather shown in the photos.  Looking at the Hase website,  It appears that the non-electric version of the 2021 Pino is only shipping with the Rohloff rear hub in the more expensive "Tour" configuration.  They show the derailleur equipped 2020 model as still being available.   While I'm curious about the new features of the latest version,  it appears it has gained a LOT of weight.   The prior non-electrified Allround model was 55 lbs  and the Hase specifications for the 2021 Tour is 66lbs.  The electrified STEPS version is 73 lbs.  That much extra weight puts a damper on my enthusiasm.  I'm hoping to avoid electrification for a few more years but I'm not getting stronger as the march of time continues. 

[larry black]

Interesting

We've owned several personal Pinos in the last 22 years and sold dozens more.

Steel, Aluminum, Titanium.

When we started getting assignments on the Santana Adventure tandem rallies abroad, we decided to go to the ePino since we need to keep up with the participants while on the roads as tech, routing, concierge, and emotional support crew.

While our original STEPS 

Pino worked OK, we went with a more powerful motor wheel, the 5-phase from Falc,.since the STEPS battery is not welcome on passenger airships, we had to rent the batteries at the beginning and get them returned at the end of the tours.

At this week's virtual CABDA trade show, we has the pleasure of attending the 'Evolution of the eBike' tech seminar from Richard Thorpe of GoCycle

Richard had been a senior tech with McClaren and other industry leaders in the UK, where GoCycle is based.

Though the Pino and other recumbent configurations can use the special boom for the STEPS , Bosch, and other mid drives, DF bikes need proprietary frames.

On a personal note, we made the unfortunate discovery that a Bosch-equipped bike model we stocked several years ago was not able tom accommodate the follow up version of the motor frame that was introduced but two years after the initial design.

Like the Bosch v. Falco presentation from the Recumbent Cycle Con, the GoCycle seminar made a compelling argument for motor wheels.

We tried installing a number of mid drives to tandems in the last decade and have even seen many a 5-figure Bosch and STEPS experiment on a tandem at major bike shows and rallies.

We've worked with Santana who have invested a healthy six figures trying to make a workable travel-capable eTandem.

Conclusions and results have largely concluded that a mid motor, or 'second stoker' places the equivalent of three pedalling efforts on the chain(s), drive,  rear cassette sprockets, and derailleur shifting.

The motor wheel, be it front or rear, reduces any pull or strain on the drive components, promoting longer wear.

Santana will be using a high torque geared motor wheel with special batteries suitable for public transportation including airline carry-on.

We've successfully travelled with these batteries throughout the USA, Europe, Asia, and New Zealand.

While they have the appearance of explosive weapons with external wires and clips, security agents have never even asked us to remove them from our luggage.

We did some shortening of our boom on the Titanium Pino and made a special airline-checkable carton for the balance of the frame and removed fork.

The only fly in the pie these days is the prohibition of the two human motors to go abroad.

All the best

Larry and Linda Black

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 2:06 PM Head Honcho <hon...@gmail.com> wrote:

Your new Pino STEPS looks great and I'm jealous of the pleasant weather shown in the photos.  Looking at the Hase website,  It appears that the non-electric version of the 2021 Pino is only shipping with the Rohloff rear hub in the more expensive "Tour" configuration.  They show the derailleur equipped 2020 model as still being available.   While I'm curious about the new features of the latest version,  it appears it has gained a LOT of weight.   The prior non-electrified Allround model was 55 lbs  and the Hase specifications for the 2021 Tour is 66lbs.  The electrified STEPS version is 73 lbs.  That much extra weight puts a damper on my enthusiasm.  I'm hoping to avoid electrification for a few more years but I'm not getting stronger as the march of time continues. 

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