transfer of plan to the pinnacle internal water phantom

[Ileana]

Hello, could any body tell us if there is any simple method by which an IMRT plan (already with an existing Primary CT Image Set) can be transferred to the internal Pinnacle Water Phantom? Or does the IMRT plan have to be re-created from scratch in a new plan with the internal Water Phantom as the Primary Image Set?

Thanks for your time

Ileana

 

 

[Mohr, Dr. Peter]

Dear Ileana,

 

the scripts "Export_Beams" and "Import_Beams" can be used for this purpose. The scripts have been discussed in this group several times (mainly to copy plans from one CT to another). Of course, you can extend the scripts by saving additionally prescriptions and points.

 

Some (potential) problems:

1) If you run (or extend) the scripts, be careful that all objects exist (e.g. loading a beam with a non-existing isocenter point is not a good idea).

2) The beam weights may be corrupted. Here the workaround is to lock all beam weights except the first one.

 

If you cannot find the scripts in this group, please let me know.

 

Regards,
  Peter


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Betreff: [p3rtp] transfer of plan to the pinnacle internal water phantom

Hello, could any body tell us if there is any simple method by which an IMRT plan (already with an existing Primary CT Image Set) can be transferred to the internal Pinnacle Water Phantom? Or does the IMRT plan have to be re-created from scratch in a new plan with the internal Water Phantom as the Primary Image Set?

Thanks for your time

Ileana

 

 

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[Thorsten Ostrander]

Hi Ileana,

Here are the scripts.  The first can be used for export and the second for import.

 

1.

SpawnCommand="rm /home/p3rtp/inout/*.*";
TrialList.Current.BeamList.Save="/home/p3rtp/inout/beamuf.out";
SpawnCommand="rm /home/p3rtp/inout/beamuf.out.binary.*";

 

2.

IF .PinnPreferences .ComputeUncomputedBeams .THEN .TrialList .Current .ComputeUncomputedBeams = "Add New Beam";
TrialList.Current.BeamList.Load="/home/p3rtp/inout/beamuf.out";

Ileana

 

 

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[P3Physics]

I maybe missing something here, but doesn't Pinnacle already have a Copy to Phantom ability under QA Tools?

[Luis Isaac Ramos Garcia]

Dear,

In the same discussion, I would like to generate a virtual water
phantom in Pinnacle for QA procedures. Is there any one to know how?
Of course is always possible to scan in the CT the QA phantom and
then importing it in the planning system, but I would like to generate a
virtual scan of a water phantom with a regular shape, not always
rectangular but circular, elliptical...

Thanks,


P3Physics escribi�:

> I maybe missing something here, but doesn't Pinnacle already have a
> Copy to Phantom ability under QA Tools?

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[Jeffrey V. Siebers]

1. Look at a plan.roi file (create a simple one for a simple volume)
2. Then write a simple myVolume.roi file that describes your shape. For
each slice, I make sure my contours are closed---first point == last
point, e.g. I use 5 points to describe a square.
3. Import the myVolume.roi file
4. Use density over-rides to change the densities in the volume

When I do this, if I want many slices that are the same, I just specify
the end slices, then use the "copy to other slices" feature

Jeff

On 7/25/2012 3:46 AM, Luis Isaac Ramos Garcia wrote:
>
> Dear,
>
> In the same discussion, I would like to generate a virtual water
> phantom in Pinnacle for QA procedures. Is there any one to know how?
> Of course is always possible to scan in the CT the QA phantom and
> then importing it in the planning system, but I would like to generate
> a virtual scan of a water phantom with a regular shape, not always
> rectangular but circular, elliptical...
>
> Thanks,
>
>

> P3Physics escribió:

[Luis Isaac Ramos Garcia]

Many thanks for this answer, this reply solve the problem in adac,
but my intention is a little bit more ambitious. I would like to create
a virtual dicom scan that can be imported in ADAC as in other planning
systems as well.

The problem with this elegant solution is that is only works in
ADAC, if you export the images you do not have the water geometry for
verification.

Many thanks,



Jeffrey V. Siebers escribi�:

>> P3Physics escribi�:

[Bee Gary (TAUNTON AND SOMERSET NHS FOUNDATION TRUST)]

I have not used this software myself, and probably an expensive solution to your problem:

http://www.osl.uk.com/rte.asp?id=434

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Sent: 26 July 2012 08:17
To: pinnacl...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [p3rtp] Re: transfer of plan to the pinnacle internal water phantom

Many thanks for this answer, this reply solve the problem in adac, but my intention is a little bit more ambitious. I would like to create a virtual dicom scan that can be imported in ADAC as in other planning systems as well.

The problem with this elegant solution is that is only works in ADAC, if you export the images you do not have the water geometry for verification.

Many thanks,

Jeffrey V. Siebers escribió:

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TEL: +34 948255400 (Ext. 4924)
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[Yang Xiaohui]

Hello,

It can edit the points of a ROI by click the Edit Contour command under the Option menu of the ROI spreadsheet window.

Best regards，

yang xiaohui

在 2012-7-26，15:16，Luis Isaac Ramos Garcia <lir...@unav.es> 写道：

  Many thanks for this answer, this reply solve the problem in adac, but my intention is a little bit more ambitious. I would like to create a virtual dicom scan that can be imported in ADAC as in other planning systems as well.

  The problem with this elegant solution is that is only works in ADAC, if you export the images you do not have the water geometry for verification.

  Many thanks,

Jeffrey V. Siebers escribió:

1. Look at a plan.roi file (create a simple one for a simple volume)

2. Then write a simple myVolume.roi file that describes your shape. For each slice, I make sure my contours are closed---first point == last point, e.g. I use 5 points to describe a square.

3. Import the myVolume.roi file

4. Use density over-rides to change the densities in the volume

When I do this, if I want many slices that are the same, I just specify the end slices, then use the "copy to other slices" feature

Jeff

On 7/25/2012 3:46 AM, Luis Isaac Ramos Garcia wrote:

  Dear,

  In the same discussion, I would like to generate a virtual water phantom in Pinnacle for QA procedures. Is there any one to know how?

  Of course is always possible to scan in the CT the QA phantom and then importing it in the planning system, but I would like to generate a virtual scan of a water phantom with a regular shape, not always rectangular but circular, elliptical...

  Thanks,

P3Physics escribió:

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Facultad de Medicina,Universidad de Navarra

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TEL: +34 948255400 (Ext. 4924)
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[Ileana]

Thanks to every one for the replies, very useful, apologizes for not thanking before, I was on holidays.

Ileana

[Forest, Gary J.]

I have created synthetic data in the past as dicom files, I imagine this would accomplish what you want.

I use OFFIS DCMTK for much of this stuff, all you would really need to do is scan something with the geometry you are interested in, and then replace the pixel data with synthetic data formatted as you like.

Gary Forest

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From: pinnacl...@googlegroups.com [mailto:pinnacl...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Luis Isaac Ramos Garcia
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 2:17 AM
To: pinnacl...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [p3rtp] Re: transfer of plan to the pinnacle internal water phantom

Many thanks for this answer, this reply solve the problem in adac, but my intention is a little bit more ambitious. I would like to create a virtual dicom scan that can be imported in ADAC as in other planning systems as well.

The problem with this elegant solution is that is only works in ADAC, if you export the images you do not have the water geometry for verification.

Many thanks,

Jeffrey V. Siebers escribió:

> 1. Look at a plan.roi file (create a simple one for a simple volume)
> 2. Then write a simple myVolume.roi file that describes your shape.
> For each slice, I make sure my contours are closed---first point ==
> last point, e.g. I use 5 points to describe a square.
> 3. Import the myVolume.roi file
> 4. Use density over-rides to change the densities in the volume
>
> When I do this, if I want many slices that are the same, I just
> specify the end slices, then use the "copy to other slices" feature
>
> Jeff
>
> On 7/25/2012 3:46 AM, Luis Isaac Ramos Garcia wrote:
>>
>> Dear,
>>
>> In the same discussion, I would like to generate a virtual water
>> phantom in Pinnacle for QA procedures. Is there any one to know how?
>> Of course is always possible to scan in the CT the QA phantom and
>> then importing it in the planning system, but I would like to
>> generate a virtual scan of a water phantom with a regular shape, not
>> always rectangular but circular, elliptical...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>

>> P3Physics escribió:

>

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Departamento de Oncologia
Clinica Universidad de Navarra

Facultad de Medicina,Universidad de Navarra Av. Pio XII nº36, 31008 Pamplona, Spain

Fax: +34 948255500
TEL: +34 948255400 (Ext. 4924)
E-mail: lir...@unav.es
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