Fwd: RayStation Multi-Criteria Optimization IMRT

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Date: Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 3:11 PM
Subject: RayStation Multi-Criteria Optimization IMRT
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I am interested in hearing what everyone's take is on RaySearch's RayStation and their Multi-Criteria Optimization for IMRT. After hearing about it for a while now, I didn't realize, until recently, how robust the process was and the options available for a much quicker route to a better IMRT plan. Has anyone seen their process for Adaptive Planning? Looking forward to comparing notes.

Kyle

[Gabriele Guidi]

Strange put comments like these and do not sign.

Could you avoid commercial fights into the group?

We have both the systems, Pinnacle and Raystation in use and I cannot confirm many of these. Also we have experience with MONACO and XIO and all the systems have some advantages and disadvantages

Please, highlight issues of the systems and work around, to solve clinical or physics problems, it is appreciable…

Thank you

Lele

 

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Da: pinnacl...@googlegroups.com [mailto:pinnacl...@googlegroups.com] Per conto di aa4...@gmail.com
Inviato: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:09 PM
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Oggetto: [p3rtp] Re: RayStation Multi-Criteria Optimization IMRT

 

I know someone who has some experience with Raystation.
He tells me to stay away from this system for the next few years.

Raystation is good at putting together brochure with bullet items of what Raystation aspires to do. But in practice the system is still in its infancy.  I am told the software architecture, hardware that it runs on, database are all ad hoc.  And there is no upgrade procedure, so an upgrade workload is comparable to commission all over again.  The current version can not even do basic 3D.  I also heard that it can't handle Varian but for some reason it can (barely) handle Eleka linac (kind of odd).  Well maybe it makes sense since this is an European company.

I was told that if you get Raystation, you have to find linac and MLC parameters to make it work by trial and error, and Raystation programmers or customer support are not knowledgeable enough about hardware and Record and Verify side to help with this.

I also heard that optimization is extremely slow. I was told something like 4 hours if you put in enough constraints like in H&N.   In retrospect not surprising because it makes N plans for you to choose from. So Raystation may just be a fancy of way running multiple IMRT plans in a batch mode.   We have all done that but soon we learn to make one plan to show to a doctor because we get to figure out what is acceptable to our physician.

In fact, I would add, if want to experience DVH dragging, then try CORVUS. But  DVH dragging feature was not enough to keep CORVUS from going under, so don't know if DVH dragging will be enough for Raystation to survive on.

What I take from these input is that if your clinic already has a TPS, then don't abandon it for Raystation. If a Raystation is willing to give one to your department for their show and tell (Clinic XYZ has decided to use Raystation) then fine, accept it, and play with it.

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[Scott Dube]

Marc, you are a true diplomat and gentleman.  To be candid, I was offended by the cowardly posting.  Thanks for being so civilized in your response.  If I were in your shoes, you can imagine how I would have reacted.  There would have been flames!

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Marc Mlyn <mm...@optonline.net> wrote:

Hello All,

Out of respect for the Pinnacle User's List, RaySearch will not respond to aa44424's comments here.  While we have an opinion on hearsay information and inflammatory comments, we will not make this a platform to discuss the quality and capabilities of our system.

I was notified of the comments here and due to the fact that a few people have asked for a reply from RaySearch, I will offer this via email if you send a request to sup...@raysearchlabs.com.

Also, please be aware that we have created a RayStation user list so that we can assure that discussions about our products will not interfere with the Pinnacle List.  The link can be found below.  Please give us a couple of days to get it up and running.  All clinical sites are welcomed to join and the list will be moderated by RaySearch.  Vendors will generally not be admitted.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/raystation-users

With kind regards,

Marc Mlyn, CMD

President, RaySearch Americas, Inc.