[pinboard-dev] All my bookmarks are private but my tags are public?

[Justin Kelly]

Hi Pinboard People,

I've set all my bookmarks as private, but i have noticed that if im
logged out and go to my pinboard page i can see all of my tags

Given that i have set everything to private I would expect my tags to
be private to. This is what i would expect from "Social bookmarking
for introverts"

Cheers

Justin

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[Ryan]

I had the same problem. The way to make tags private is to add a
period before them, example: .yourtaghere. The only way I saw to do it
was to make new tags with the periods in front of them, then move all
the bookmarks to the new tags.

There may be an easier way, but I haven't noticed any way to modify a
tag once it's made. The above way will definitely work, it's just
kinda time consuming if you already made a bunch of tags and
bookmarks. Then again, I'm not an expert user, hopefully one of them
will chime in!

Ryan

[maciej]

Hi Justin,

I'm guessing that you had public bookmarks at some point, and then set
them all to private?

Pinboard generates two tag clouds for each user - one is based on
their public stuff, the other is based on all their stuff, and is
visible only to them.

But it looks like there's a bug in the tag cloud code which will fail
to overwrite the old file if the new tag cloud is completely empty.
So in the case where a user used to have some public bookmarks, and
then sets them all to private, the former public tag cloud won't go
away.

I'll get this fixed right away; in the meantime, I've deleted your tag
cloud by hand. My apologies for the bug.

[maciej]

Private tags have a pretty narrow use - they're intended for when you
have a public bookmark, but don't want a certain tag to be visible on
it.

The tag cloud gets re-generated every time you make a change to your
bookmarks, although there can be a delay of a few minutes. So if you
remove a tag from all bookmarks, it should eventually disappear from
the cloud, and if you change privacy status so that there are no
public bookmarks with a tag, then it should be removed from your
publicly visible cloud (but remain in your logged-in one).

It appears the cloud is failing to update in the case where the new
cloud would be completely empty. I've put this at the top of my
list of things to fix and will update the thread when it's ready.

A workaround in the interim is to create a single public bookmark with
a sacrificial tag, to bully the tag cloud generator into doing its
job.

[maciej]

This bug should now be fixed - if you make all your bookmarks private,
any existing publicly visible tag cloud will disappear.

On May 5, 3:23 am, Justin Kelly <jus...@kelly.org.au> wrote:

[David]

> Private tags have a pretty narrow use - they're intended for when you
> have a public bookmark, but don't want a certain tag to be visible on
> it.

I'm using them a bit differently; perhaps you can help me find an
alternative.

I have a bunch of tags in categories that I *always* want to be
private. For example, bookmarks for servers at work should never be
public, which means that not only do I want to mark them private, but
I want to be able to periodically verify that I haven't goofed up.
Rather than using standard public tags for these, I use private tags
so that I can quickly tell which tags contain my "meant to be private"
categories. All it's really doing is providing a reminder to me that
all bookmarks on these tags should be private, so that I can check
them every so often to prevent accidental leakage.

Most of my private bookmarks are private because they are in specific
categories, so It would be easier if I could have tags that *force*
privacy on any bookmarks tagged with them. For example, a "-
worksites" tag might force privacy on every bookmark tagged with it,
regardless of whether the bookmark's own private flag is set.

[Justin Kelly]

Thanks Maciej,

Yep - my bookmarks were previously public

thanks for the fix!!

also a question while i'm here
- Any thoughts if sort options (via date, alpha, etc..) will be added
in Pinboard.in?

Cheers

Justin

[maciej]

> - Any thoughts if sort options (via date, alpha, etc..) will be added
> in Pinboard.in?

We have two features under discussion that might be a little relevant.

1. Some kind of timeline widget to constrain a view by date

2. A way to make sequenced lists of bookmarks

Neither of these are what you're asking about, but they may cover some
common ground.

Right now the sort order is reverse chronological by creation date.
I am open to alternatives, provided they don't clutter the UI and meet
some real user need. So I'd especially be interested in hearing from
people who want alphabetical sort by bookmark title. This has come
up a few times, and I've never been able to understand how it would be
useful. Then again, I have a history of being obtuse about genuinely
useful features (like server-side bookmarking...). So please have
at it!

[Justin Kelly]

Thanks for the reply

re

> Right now the sort order is reverse chronological by creation date.
> I am open to alternatives, provided they don't clutter the UI and meet
> some real user need.

even just url options would be great (ie add &sort=alpha&order=desc) -
that way people really need it could use it - without affecting the
UI

>  So I'd especially be interested in hearing from
> people who want alphabetical sort by bookmark title.   This has come
> up a few times, and I've never been able to understand how it would be
> useful.   Then again, I have a history of being obtuse about genuinely
> useful features (like server-side bookmarking...).    So please have
> at it!
>

re why is sort useful

it help me easily find a specific url that im after faster
- ie. i have a tag called 'chrome_plugins' with 50 bookmarks in it -
my brain finds it easier to scan the list in alphabetical order to
find the url i want
- or tag called 'servers' - if its alphabetical sorted i can find the
url to the server admin page im after alot faster than scanning the
entire listed to find the one im after
-- as they are all re one subject date on entry is not relevant

Cheers

Justin