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maciej

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Feb 17, 2010, 2:46:50 PM2/17/10
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Hi everyone,

I'm making plans for the next month of development and wanted to hear
from you about which parts of the site could use the most attention.
I'm particularly interested to know:

1) What irks you in the site right now - bugs, misfeatures, etc.

2) What's missing in the site that you badly need to be a happy
bookmarker.

Please feel free to repost stuff from earlier discussions to this
thread if it hasn't been addressed, or if I made sweet, sweet promises
and never kept them.

Thanks!

Colin Shea

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Feb 17, 2010, 3:28:03 PM2/17/10
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Personally, I want you to make my project useless. ;)

Pummel, which takes your pinboard feed (could be any feed, really) and uses OEmbed to make it into a tumblr-style page. Adding oembed support would be cool.

More information: http://www.oembed.com


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Michael Williams

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Feb 17, 2010, 4:42:33 PM2/17/10
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Hi Maciej,

Here's a few suggestions, in no particular order:

UI to force a refresh of an archived page.

I think you mentioned this a while back as a possibility: the grab-and-
go archive of unread pages for when you have a flight in an hour and
want stuff to read.

UI showing number of posts on u:user (i.e. total number of bookmarks)
and u:user/unread (i.e. number of unread bookmarks)

A way to reveal a little bit about yourself (e.g. real name, URL) for
people who end up putting you in their network thanks to the "users to
investigate" feature.

Make the edit post UI save when you hit return in a one-line field (it
currently does nothing, which means you have to tab or mouse to the
save button)

Make the tags field in the edit post UI a single line field like URL
and title

Archives of Youtube links don't seem to take a copy of the video (even
the ones that don't raise an oversize error), which makes the archive
of limited use.

Kind of esoteric (I am probably the only user who would find it
useful!), but it would be neat if pinboard knew about the arXiv
preprint server and took a copy of the PDF of the paper in pinboard's
archive when you bookmark a HTML abstract page, which is what I
usually bookmark (e.g. http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.1234). This would be
particularly useful in the grab-and-go scenario above.

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maciej

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Feb 17, 2010, 4:58:11 PM2/17/10
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Hey Mike,

Thanks for these great suggestions. One by one:

> UI to force a refresh of an archived page.

Will add that very soon. I agree it's a critical feature.

> I think you mentioned this a while back as a possibility: the grab-and-
> go archive of unread pages for when you have a flight in an hour and  
> want stuff to read.

That is still up on blocks, but I hope to have it released soon.

> UI showing number of posts on u:user (i.e. total number of bookmarks)  
> and u:user/unread (i.e. number of unread bookmarks)

I'll add this today.

> A way to reveal a little bit about yourself (e.g. real name, URL) for  
> people who end up putting you in their network thanks to the "users to  
> investigate" feature.

Peter and I have been thinking of allowing this on the user profile
page. We're terrified of making the site too social, but on the other
hand it should not prevent people from sharing some public info.

> Make the edit post UI save when you hit return in a one-line field (it  
> currently does nothing, which means you have to tab or mouse to the  
> save button)

I'll put this on the todo list for the edit UI.

> Make the tags field in the edit post UI a single line field like URL  
> and title

I think we ended up with it multi-line because a supertagger asked for
the extra space. I suspect the single line UI would be most useful
to the largest number of users.

> Archives of Youtube links don't seem to take a copy of the video (even  
> the ones that don't raise an oversize error), which makes the archive  
> of limited use.

That's something we have flagged as an important fix to the crawler.
I think YouTube videos will properly render now, but the archived page
is just pulling the video from the original servers.

How soon this can get fixed depends a lot on whether a developer pal
flakes out on us again :-)

> Kind of esoteric (I am probably the only user who would find it  
> useful!), but it would be neat if pinboard knew about the arXiv  
> preprint server and took a copy of the PDF of the paper in pinboard's  
> archive when you bookmark a HTML abstract page, which is what I  

> usually bookmark (e.g.http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.1234). This would be  


> particularly useful in the grab-and-go scenario above.

Oh, that's a great idea. I'm hoping to make this site attractive to
the kind of people who make heavy use of arXiv, so it definitely makes
sense to give the site special treatment.

More generally, we want to put in some special rules for various sites
(for example, auto-archiving the single page print view of newspaper
articles) to make the archiving feature as useful as possible.

Colin Shea

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Feb 17, 2010, 5:29:51 PM2/17/10
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I was browsing the user page, and realized that there isn't a way to add a URL manually from the website itself, or if there is a way, I've missed it. A link to /add would be sufficent.

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Benedict Eastaugh

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Feb 17, 2010, 5:47:51 PM2/17/10
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On 17 February 2010 19:46, maciej <mcegl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 1) What irks you in the site right now - bugs, misfeatures, etc.

The problem I reported some time ago, whereby hitting 'Enter' in the
bookmark edit form dumps out a load of JSON on the page, is still in
evidence (clicking 'Save' works fine).

> 2) What's missing in the site that you badly need to be a happy
> bookmarker.

I find the search quite frustrating. For example, searching for two
terms yields the union of the search for either term, which would be
fine, except that I'd expect it to prioritise results in the
intersection of the two terms (it doesn't).

A "New bookmark" link directly on one's main bookmarks page would be handy.

An "Add note" link would be great too, and Notes would be much
improved by some more controls (delete as an option on the note
page?).

joshuasbones

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Feb 17, 2010, 7:02:09 PM2/17/10
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I have a couple suggestions.

I'd like the ability to set all or part of my network public, so
people can see who I'm following and vice versa.

I'd like the default note description text to mirror the content of
the note, or maybe the first x characters.

I'd like to be able to subscribe to a tag's activity and be able to
view my subscribed tags in some central place. (Similar to delicious.)

I'd like the tags suggestions to be a little more robust. (For me
they're usually only about one tag.)

I'd be interested in seeing if the Pinboard "popup" bookmarklet could
use available information from the website to auto suggest tags
(potentially like a license or filetype or format), descriptions, etc
in addition to just auto suggesting the title and tags from Pinboard
itself.

Thanks for all the hard work!

Michael Williams

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Feb 17, 2010, 7:27:46 PM2/17/10
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On 17 Feb 2010, at 22:58, maciej wrote:
>> A way to reveal a little bit about yourself (e.g. real name, URL) for
>> people who end up putting you in their network thanks to the "users
>> to
>> investigate" feature.
>
> Peter and I have been thinking of allowing this on the user profile
> page. We're terrified of making the site too social, but on the other
> hand it should not prevent people from sharing some public info.

I share this fear of mission creep, but it seems like if you're going
to offer a list of "These are users with a similar bookmarking history
to yours", the small public profile/URL is almost a natural corollary.

> More generally, we want to put in some special rules for various sites
> (for example, auto-archiving the single page print view of newspaper
> articles) to make the archiving feature as useful as possible.

That is a great idea.

Colin Shea

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Feb 17, 2010, 9:22:43 PM2/17/10
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Michael Williams <mi...@pentangle.net> wrote:

On 17 Feb 2010, at 22:58, maciej wrote:
A way to reveal a little bit about yourself (e.g. real name, URL) for
people who end up putting you in their network thanks to the "users to
investigate" feature.

Peter and I have been thinking of allowing this on the user profile
page.  We're terrified of making the site too social, but on the other
hand it should not prevent people from sharing some public info.

I share this fear of mission creep, but it seems like if you're going to offer a list of "These are users with a similar bookmarking history to yours", the small public profile/URL is almost a natural corollary.


Just a simple (160 character, like Twitter? :) ) bio and a homepage / social network link seems like enough.

Shrikant Narasimhan

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Feb 17, 2010, 11:40:24 PM2/17/10
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I realised this a couple of months back, but somehow didn't think too much of it, as I always either used the bookmarklet, or manually went on over to /add. But +1 for anything that saves me a few keystrokes per month :)

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mlednor

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Feb 18, 2010, 5:12:29 AM2/18/10
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On Feb 17, 7:46 pm, maciej <mceglow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 1) What irks you in the site right now - bugs, misfeatures, etc.

No Copy to Mine or RSS on the Popular page. Oldest does't mark as read
as Random does.

> 2) What's missing in the site that you badly need to be a happy
> bookmarker.

A delete function on the Add page: When going through my Unread items
sometimes you want to read something once but decide not to keep it.
Hitting the Add bookmarklett allows you to add tags, but doesn't allow
for a quick delete.

PinnedDown

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Feb 18, 2010, 6:22:46 AM2/18/10
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I want more display options like Delicious. I desperately want single-
line entries. The way it is now, I'm having to scroll down a couple
of pages to see what could easily fit on one page.

On the mobile side, I want to be able to see the tag cloud.


David

acb

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Feb 18, 2010, 6:54:24 AM2/18/10
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Also, a longer "real" name, in addition to the username, would be useful.

Only one link? Some people might not have one personal page which
takes precedence ("Let's see... do I give them my blog, my Twitter, my
photo album..."

I think a list of links, each with a URL and a description, belonging
to the user profile would be more useful. It could even be done using
the existing Pinboard link-handling infrastructure if so desired. That
way, you could have something like:


example / Joe User

My name is Joe; I live in ___ and am into ___ and ____.
You may know me from ___.

http://example.com/joe/ (personal page)
http://joeexample.wordpress.com/ (technical blog)
http://flickr.com/photos/example/ (my photos)
http://last.fm/user/example/ (music I listen to)

Peter VG

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Feb 18, 2010, 7:11:27 AM2/18/10
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>Only one link?

Remember, the tagline is 'bookmarking for introverts'. Our focus is
storing, finding, organizing your bookmarks quickly and reliably.
We'll definitely try to improve the way users can discover other
users. Generalized profiles are handled very well by a variety of
services - our hope is to spend our resources on the things we do
well, rather than on duplicating features others excel at.

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Peter VG

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Feb 18, 2010, 7:15:28 AM2/18/10
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On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:22 AM, PinnedDown <drm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I want more display options like Delicious.  I desperately want single-
> line entries.  The way it is now, I'm having to scroll down a couple
> of pages to see what could easily fit on one page.

Do you find you use single-line view all the time or do you switch
between single and multiple-line a great deal?

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Colin Shea

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Feb 18, 2010, 10:02:36 AM2/18/10
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Here's an idea, why not list all bookmarks the user tagged "me"?

On Feb 18, 2010 7:15 AM, "Peter VG" <pet...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:22 AM, PinnedDown <drm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I want more display options...

Do you find you use single-line view all the time or do you switch
between single and multiple-line a great deal?

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Patrix

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Feb 18, 2010, 8:55:12 AM2/18/10
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Couple of features:

1. Better tag suggestions. I think we discussed this earlier. Prefer
the delicious way of tag dropdowns as we type instead of autocomplete
which assumes just one tag.
2. Better tag search. I know the tag and I want to search posts by a
certain tag. The Search box at the top, IMO has mixed results.

On Feb 18, 6:15 am, Peter VG <pete...@gmail.com> wrote:

maciej

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On Feb 18, 5:55 am, Patrix <patrixbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Couple of features:
>
> 1. Better tag suggestions. I think we discussed this earlier. Prefer
> the delicious way of tag dropdowns as we type instead of autocomplete
> which assumes just one tag.

I think we all agree on this as a desirable feature, but it requires a
large block of development time that I have not been able to set
aside.

> 2. Better tag search. I know the tag and I want to search posts by a
> certain tag. The Search box at the top, IMO has mixed results.

Can you be more specific about the kind of searches that are failing?
Does the global tag page, or your user+tag page, not show what you
want? Or is it a question of how to get to those pages through the
existing UI?

Thanks!

Maciej

Patrix

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Feb 18, 2010, 1:59:34 PM2/18/10
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> I think we all agree on this as a desirable feature, but it requires a
> large block of development time that I have not been able to set
> aside.

No problem. As long as it is on your radar.


> > 2. Better tag search. I know the tag and I want to search posts by a
> > certain tag. The Search box at the top, IMO has mixed results.
>
> Can you be more specific about the kind of searches that are failing?
> Does the global tag page, or your user+tag page, not show what you
> want?  Or is it a question of how to get to those pages through the
> existing UI?

E.g. I want to look for the tag 'mac' via the search box, I get all
bookmarks that are tagged 'mac' AND titles with mac in them. But I
wanted only bookmarks tagged with 'mac' (I can click on the tag and
get it but needs an extra click).

Also, I wanted to search within tags. For e.g. Within bookmarks tagged
'mac', I want to search for 'video' so that only bookmarks that are
tagged with 'mac' AND 'video' will show up.

All this may be possible in the current UI but it is not intuitive and
I have to workaround. The search function instead could ask, whether I
want to search title+description+tags or just tags. Then once you get
to a tag, offer an option to search within that tag as well.

Hope this makes sense. Thanks.

Patrix

maciej

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Feb 19, 2010, 6:10:42 PM2/19/10
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On Feb 17, 2:47 pm, Benedict Eastaugh <ionf...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The problem I reported some time ago, whereby hitting 'Enter' in the
> bookmark edit form dumps out a load of JSON on the page, is still in
> evidence (clicking 'Save' works fine).

This should be fixed now in Firefox and Safari. There may still be
issues in IE8, I'll take a look tonight. Thanks for re-reporting it;
I somehow missed this the first time, and never tried hitting 'return'
myself.

I've also made the tags field in the edit box a one-line field, so you
can hit return in it and submit the bookmark.

Benedict Eastaugh

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On 19 February 2010 23:10, maciej <mcegl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 17, 2:47 pm, Benedict Eastaugh <ionf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The problem I reported some time ago, whereby hitting 'Enter' in the
>> bookmark edit form dumps out a load of JSON on the page, is still in
>> evidence (clicking 'Save' works fine).
>
> This should be fixed now in Firefox and Safari.   There may still be
> issues in IE8, I'll take a look tonight.  Thanks for re-reporting it;
> I somehow missed this the first time, and never tried hitting 'return'
> myself.

Thanks, that's super.

> I've also made the tags field in the edit box a one-line field, so you
> can hit return in it and submit the bookmark.

Also an improvement. Much appreciated, Maciej.

Benedict.

hiroshimo

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Feb 24, 2010, 2:21:38 PM2/24/10
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Hi maciej

I want to update the date that I bookmarked before.
sometimes I came across the one that I bookmarked some years ago.

but too old bookmark link is so hard to find out.
If I changed the date that I bookmarked before, I will see it on the
top on my page.

On 2月18日, 午前4:46, maciej <mceglow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm making plans for the next month of development and wanted to hear
> from you about which parts of the site could use the most attention.
> I'm particularly interested to know:
>

> 1) Whatirks you in the site right now - bugs, misfeatures, etc.

Lenny Domnitser

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Feb 25, 2010, 6:45:33 PM2/25/10
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Hi, Maciej.

Others already brought up the features I'm most interested in: archive
refreshing and improved tag suggestion. The other thing I'd like is
for the inline editor to have tag suggestions. And a little bug I
mentioned before--hidden tags don't show up in the tag list, even when
you view all tags.

If I had my way, though, the top priority item would be writing for
your blog. ;-)

Cheers,
LD

Michael Williams

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On 17 Feb 2010, at 22:58, maciej wrote:
>> UI showing number of posts on u:user (i.e. total number of bookmarks)
>> and u:user/unread (i.e. number of unread bookmarks)
>
> I'll add this today.

Did this slip through the cracks, or am I missing something obvious?

Another suggestion: I particularly miss the username of the source of
new items in my Network RSS feed. Delicious does this (they also put a
lot of cruft in their feeds, and I'm not asking for that). It's useful
because I'm not as interested in some people in my network as others,
for whom I will open pretty much everything they post.

Ramanan

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> 1) What irks you in the site right now - bugs, misfeatures, etc.

I'm looking through links tagged with 'ipad' right now, and when I
scroll to the bottom of the page I need to go back up to the top to go
to the earlier page of links. The navigation links (earlier / later)
aren't on the bottom of the page as well.

Mike H

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Mar 10, 2010, 2:10:11 PM3/10/10
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Could the notes themselves be displayed in the same way the
description is displayed with one of the url links? This makes
intuitive sense to me. If you want to look at all your notes on a
given topic, having them all displayed in front of you makes more
sense than having to click through each one to see the actual contents
of the note.

Just a suggestion.

fjordaan

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Mar 22, 2010, 8:46:55 AM3/22/10
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Sorry for coming to the thread late, but just a few requests:

1. Find-as-type search as requested here:
http://groups.google.com/group/pinboard-dev/browse_thread/thread/a969ec735e426c3b/dbbdebdea2779197?lnk=gst&q=fjordaan#dbbdebdea2779197

2. Please display URLs on bookmarks.

3. Can you add from:instapaper tags in the same way you automatically
add from:twitter? (currently just shows as unread) I'd expect all
automated bookmarks to have this sort of tag scheme.

David

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> 3. Can you add from:instapaper tags in the same way you automatically
> add from:twitter? (currently just shows as unread) I'd expect all
> automated bookmarks to have this sort of tag scheme.

I second this; I'd prefer to have them say from:instapaper.

I've been with pinboard only for a few days but like what I see and
will likely be fully switching from delicious in the next few days. I
do have a few requests, though:

1) A means of using tag intersections from within the UI without
editing the URL. Or have I missed how to do this?

2) An iPhone-friendly Add page on the mobile site triggered by the
bookmarklets. The current one needs to be resized before it can be
used.

3) Allow the two-column list of tags to extend further to the right as
additional columns IF the window size permits it. This would mean
less scrolling when using the tag list.

4) Access to the tag list from the mobile site.

Amy

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Mar 28, 2010, 9:02:45 PM3/28/10
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I'm a bit late to this thread, but I see others are still pitching in also.

I have to say first that I love pinboard, and I really REALLY LOVE the archiving, and the auto-bookmarking from twitter, instapaper, and google reader. That model is a very good fit for the way I operate.

I am pretty antisocial and so I don't really want any of the 'social' features that some others have suggested :).

However, a few things that I would find useful:

- As someone else suggested earlier, it would be nice if re-bookmarking an already-created bookmark pushed it to the top of the chronological list.
- It would be nice to have the 'copy to mine' links on <http://pinboard.in/popular/> too- that single-click model is very useful
- It would be useful if the auto-generated tags (from:notes, from:twitter) were 'live' and could be used to filter
- When adding a note (great feature), I would find it useful to be able to add a 'description' also. I find myself wanting some 'summary' text that shows up in the bookmark list. I know that I can edit the note after it is created to add description.

Something that my pack-rat personality would love but that I think is too hard-- some variation of full-text search over the archived pages.
I can't think of any way to do that without an unreasonable amount of effort though.

-Amy

Zenb

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Mar 29, 2010, 9:31:52 AM3/29/10
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i see twitter/delicious/instapaper/read-it-later/google-reader
importing of feeds, i use all of them except delicious and read-it-
later

and i would love to see stumbleupon as well!

cheers!

On Feb 18, 3:46 am, maciej <mceglow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm making plans for the next month of development and wanted to hear
> from you about which parts of the site could use the most attention.
> I'm particularly interested to know:
>

> 1) What irks you in the site right now - bugs, misfeatures, etc.
>

maciej

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On Mar 4, 6:22 am, Ramanan <rsiva...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm looking through links tagged with 'ipad' right now, and when I
> scroll to the bottom of the page I need to go back up to the top to go
> to the earlier page of links. The navigation links (earlier / later)
> aren't on the bottom of the page as well.

I've just fixed this - thanks for bringing it to my attention!

maciej

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On Feb 27, 6:05 pm, Michael Williams <m...@pentangle.net> wrote:
> On 17 Feb 2010, at 22:58, maciej wrote:
>
> >> UI showing number of posts on u:user (i.e. total number of bookmarks)
> >> and u:user/unread (i.e. number of unread bookmarks)
>
> > I'll add this today.
>
> Did this slip through the cracks, or am I missing something obvious?

Slipped through the cracks!. But I've just added it now, at long
last....

> Another suggestion: I particularly miss the username of the source of  
> new items in my Network RSS feed. Delicious does this (they also put a  
> lot of cruft in their feeds, and I'm not asking for that). It's useful  
> because I'm not as interested in some people in my network as others,  
> for whom I will open pretty much everything they post.

We include the source username for each item in the network RSS feed
already - is it not showing up in your reader? Clicking the RSS
link in Safari, for example, shows it's there, but I may have not
included the right RSS syntax voodoo for other feed readers.

Michael Williams

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On 3 Apr 2010, at 17:23, Michael Williams wrote:
>>> Another suggestion: I particularly miss the username of the source
>>> of
>>> new items in my Network RSS feed. Delicious does this (they also
>>> put a
>>> lot of cruft in their feeds, and I'm not asking for that). It's
>>> useful
>>> because I'm not as interested in some people in my network as
>>> others,
>>> for whom I will open pretty much everything they post.
>>
>> We include the source username for each item in the network RSS feed
>> already - is it not showing up in your reader? Clicking the RSS
>> link in Safari, for example, shows it's there, but I may have not
>> included the right RSS syntax voodoo for other feed readers.
>
> It's only showing up for some links in NNW's Combined View. I can't
> see any pattern to this, and I can't see anything obviously wrong
> with the XML

There is infact a pattern. In NNW's combined view, if the
<description> field of an item is empty (i.e. just "<![CDATA[ ]]>")
the NNW does not display any of the other item info. I have no idea
whether pinboard or NNW is wrong here.

Michael Williams

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On 3 Apr 2010, at 12:36, maciej wrote:
> Slipped through the cracks!. But I've just added it now, at long
> last....

Great.

>> Another suggestion: I particularly miss the username of the source of
>> new items in my Network RSS feed. Delicious does this (they also
>> put a
>> lot of cruft in their feeds, and I'm not asking for that). It's
>> useful
>> because I'm not as interested in some people in my network as others,
>> for whom I will open pretty much everything they post.
>
> We include the source username for each item in the network RSS feed
> already - is it not showing up in your reader? Clicking the RSS
> link in Safari, for example, shows it's there, but I may have not
> included the right RSS syntax voodoo for other feed readers.

It's only showing up for some links in NNW's Combined View. I can't

see any pattern to this, and I can't see anything obviously wrong with

the XML (although it doesn't look like the equivalent XML served by,
e.g. delicious, I don't know what I'm looking for). It works fine in
NNW's Traditional and Widescreen views. I'll send you few screenshots
off the list.

-- Mike

Taryn

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Apr 17, 2010, 6:08:35 PM4/17/10
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Hi Maciej-

What about permalinks for individual bookmarks in our streams so I can
easily direct myself (or anyone else) back to a single bookmark plus
any description or tags I've assigned to it.

Or can anyone recommend an RSS reader that will include the tags we
assign? Google Reader does not include tags in Pinboard RSS feeds but
it does with Diigo RSS feeds.

Thanks!

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slig

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Apr 20, 2010, 3:30:01 AM4/20/10
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Hi Maciej,

please support folders within the Instapaper import settings match
regex.
I'll use pinboard as my bookmark archive with all most useful links,
notes and information for me.
I also use Instapaper for all pages to get information from, also the
forget-after-reading runaways.
Given that i'll filter out those informations / articles / links which
were interesting to be read once but not more than that.
I do not want to spam my archive ;) and so for me i cannot monitor
wether the archive nor the input Instapaper "folder" (as i do not want
all the links the appear in Pinboard - and i also do not want to
manually delete them)

So my workflow is e.g. using my mobile:
- Use Feeder to sync with Google Reader
- found a link to be archived with information required in future ->
directly post to Pinboard
- found an article to be read probably just once and got not time
right now -> post it to Instapaper
- later read the article with Instapaper and decide to archive it to
Pinboard also -> move to an Instapaper folder which is monitored as
RSS from Pinboard

Current work-around for the last step is: Have Google Reader monitor
the "special" Instapaper folder. Once an article pops up there i know
i have to put this one to Pinboard.

What do you think about this? How are you working with these tools
altogether?


Btw. it would be nice to select for all sources (twitter, instapaper,
delicious, mail) wether to add the entry as ToRead or not.

Regards, slig

mariofischer

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Apr 20, 2010, 5:23:09 AM4/20/10
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Hi -

just started using pinboard some days ago - so these are the things I
noticed/missed/..:

+ (Already mentioned) Some more fields in the user profile: URL,
gravatar maybe?, twitter/facebook

+ (Already mentioned) Better search features, like TAG_A+TAG_B to find
all items with both tags

+ (Already mentioned) More flexible layout: Show 20/50/100/200 items
per page, show items in one line/multiple lines

+ Widescreen layout: The current page layout is okay, if I had a small
monitor.. but it would be nice to switch the theme to a layout more
appropriate for a wider browser window. Then putting all information
in one line would be also more easy.

+ The personal tag cloud takes IMHO too much time to update. If I edit
tags, remove them, add new ones etc. it takes more than 10 minutes
until I see the changes. A button with "refresh tag list/cloud" would
be sufficient, of course.

+ Keyboard shortcuts for saving/closing the edit-form!

+ Show all tags which are used only once - this would help to find
possibly useless tags..

+ (Temporary, I assume...) Sometimes javascript errors in Safari,
currently: "ReferenceError: Can't find variable: show_edit_links"

Nevertheless a great tool which (by the way) has a great "entry
barrier": You can't try it out before paying.. for me this made me
think at least, well I registered then. But I suppose that might stop
some people from joining .

regards,
mario

mariofischer

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Apr 20, 2010, 5:47:50 AM4/20/10
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One more idea, which is probably quite esoteric...:

+ Open multiple links at once: Like Safari bookmark folders which open
all contained links on click at once (in tabs), I could use this
feature also in pinboard - a button which opens all selected (or
currently visible) entries at once via JS.
...And yes, by default this will create only popups (or interfere with
the popup-blocker) or won't work in some browsers - haven't tried it
our except Safari/FF).

maciej

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Apr 20, 2010, 6:15:09 AM4/20/10
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Hi Mario,

Thanks for the suggestions! My comments below:

> + (Already mentioned) Some more fields in the user profile: URL,
> gravatar maybe?, twitter/facebook

I'm working on a 'public profile' for people who want it. Not sure
about avatars, but it will have fields for your other sites, brief
blurb, and so on.

> + (Already mentioned) Better search features, like TAG_A+TAG_B to find
> all items with both tags

You can do tag intersections right now by editing a URL (http://
pinboard.in/u:maciej/t:china/t:food/), but we do need to figure out a
way to do it through the UI.
More powerful search syntax is also on the todo list.

> + (Already mentioned) More flexible layout: Show 20/50/100/200 items
> per page, show items in one line/multiple lines

Number of items per page won't be configurable, but I have been
working on a title-only view mode.

> + Widescreen layout: The current page layout is okay, if I had a small
> monitor.. but it would be nice to switch the theme to a layout more
> appropriate for a wider browser window. Then putting all information
> in one line would be also more easy.

This is a good point. I develop on a little laptop, so I tend to make
the site overly narrow. I've made a note to myself to widen the
layout.

> + The personal tag cloud takes IMHO too much time to update. If I edit
> tags, remove them, add new ones etc. it takes more than 10 minutes
> until I see the changes. A button with "refresh tag list/cloud" would
> be sufficient, of course.

I think there's a way to get them updating faster without having to
add buttons. Right now the background process that generates them is
overly conservative.

> + Keyboard shortcuts for saving/closing the edit-form!

Sounds good to me.

> + Show all tags which are used only once - this would help to find
> possibly useless tags..

Great idea!

> + (Temporary, I assume...) Sometimes javascript errors in Safari,
> currently: "ReferenceError: Can't find variable: show_edit_links"

Next time you see this, can you send me the URL of the offending page
by email?

> Nevertheless a great tool which (by the way) has a great "entry
> barrier": You can't try it out before paying.. for me this made me
> think at least, well I registered then. But I suppose that might stop
> some people from joining .

Another thing we've been working on is a site tour, both for
prospective users, and as documentation for existing users who may not
know about all our features.

Thanks for all your suggestions - I don't know how soon I can promise
to implement everything we have on our 'todo' list, but we're trying
hard to chip away at it one feature at a time.

mariofischer

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Apr 20, 2010, 6:51:17 AM4/20/10
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Hey, thanks for fast response! Comments below:

On 20 Apr., 12:15, maciej <mceglow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > + (Already mentioned) Some more fields in the user profile: URL,
> > gravatar maybe?, twitter/facebook
>
> I'm working on a 'public profile' for people who want it.  Not sure
> about avatars, but it will have fields for your other sites, brief
> blurb, and so on.
>
> > + (Already mentioned) Better search features, like TAG_A+TAG_B to find
> > all items with both tags
>
> You can do tag intersections right now by editing a URL (http://
> pinboard.in/u:maciej/t:china/t:food/), but we do need to figure out a
> way to do it through the UI.
> More powerful search syntax is also on the todo list.

Okay, IMHO finding an intuitive syntax is not too easy, but either add
concetation operators (+&AND, |?OR) or to make it cooler, one could
think about a syntax like this:

WORD -> search for appearance of WORD anywhere
#WORD -> search for appearance of WORD only as tag
#A+#B -> search for appearance of A as tag AND B as tag

(Just the first thing that came to my mind)

> > > + (Already mentioned) More flexible layout: Show 20/50/100/200 items
> > per page, show items in one line/multiple lines
>
> Number of items per page won't be configurable, but I have been
> working on a title-only view mode.

Okay, well if a widescreen layout was possible this isn't much of an
issue..

> > > + Widescreen layout: The current page layout is okay, if I had a small
> > monitor.. but it would be nice to switch the theme to a layout more
> > appropriate for a wider browser window. Then putting all information
> > in one line would be also more easy.
>
> This is a good point. I develop on a little laptop, so I tend to make
> the site overly narrow.  I've made a note to myself to widen the
> layout.

Or you can let people send you CSS-"themes" and integrate them.

> > > + The personal tag cloud takes IMHO too much time to update. If I edit
> > tags, remove them, add new ones etc. it takes more than 10 minutes
> > until I see the changes. A button with "refresh tag list/cloud" would
> > be sufficient, of course.
>
> I think there's a way to get them updating faster without having to
> add buttons.   Right now the background process that generates them is
> overly conservative.
>
> > + Keyboard shortcuts for saving/closing the edit-form!
>
> Sounds good to me.

Nice, this one I'm looking forward to.

>
> > + Show all tags which are used only once - this would help to find
> > possibly useless tags..
>
> Great idea!
>
> > + (Temporary, I assume...) Sometimes javascript errors in Safari,
> > currently: "ReferenceError: Can't find variable: show_edit_links"
>
> Next time you see this, can you send me the URL of the offending page
> by email?

Is on the way.

> > > Nevertheless a great tool which (by the way) has a great "entry
> > barrier": You can't try it out before paying.. for me this made me
> > think at least, well I registered then. But I suppose that might stop
> > some people from joining .
>
> Another thing we've been working on is a site tour, both for
> prospective users, and as documentation for existing users who may not
> know about all our features.
>
> Thanks for all your suggestions - I don't know how soon I can promise
> to implement everything we have on our 'todo' list, but we're trying
> hard to chip away at it one feature at a time.

Yes, of course. Thx!

maciej

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Apr 20, 2010, 7:42:03 AM4/20/10
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I think permalinks for individual bookmarks are a good idea. Right
now, there's really no way (other than fiddling with timestamps in a
URL) to point at a bookmark.

I'll also take a look at how Diigo formats its RSS feeds, to see if I
can make our tags visible to Google Reader.

Thanks for both suggestions!

buymeasoda

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Apr 20, 2010, 7:58:25 AM4/20/10
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Late on my reply, but here's my suggestions :)


1) Ability to remove "from" meta-data

I'd like to be able to remove (or deactivate) the auto-tagging 'from'
meta-data that gets automatically added to a bookmark when it comes
form an external service eg. 'from twitter_favs'. At the moment, there
appears to be no way to remove it.

I'm sure others may find the from tag useful, but the 'origin' isn't
really interesting to me, so it becomes extra visual cruft that I keep
wanting to go in and delete, but can't :).

Any of the following would solve it:

- Allow 'from' tags to be manually removed like other properties via
the standard edit bookmark feature
- Have an option to completely disable the automatic "from" tagging
feature so it never gets added
- Have a preference toggle on whether or not to display the extra from
meta data


2) Make it easy to "show notes"

I can add notes via 'add note' in the main menu, but if I have a note
buried in my bookmarks, I don't see how I can easily 'view notes'.
Typing 'notes' into search doesn't return items tagged 'from notes',
and if (in an attempt to find a shortcut to notes) I trim the 'add
note' url from http://notes.pinboard.in/add/ back down to (a guess at
what might be the url) http://notes.pinboard.in/ I end up on a
"Forbidden" error page.

The only way it seems to get to my 'notes', is to enter the URL:
www.pinboard.in/u:username/from:notes which doesn't make it very user
friendly to quickly add / view / edit notes.

Suggest adding "view notes" to the main menu, that returns all my
notes?


3) Include "add url" in the mobile / iphone version of the site

When I'm in another iPhone app, and there's a URL I want to bookmark,
I'll copy the URL and then go to pinboard to add it. The easiest UI
for the site on the iPhone is the mobile version http://m.pinboard.in
however that version of the site doesn't have the 'add url' option. So
I end up having to open the link in Safari, activate the pinboard
bookmarklet, then edit the bookmark to add. Would be nice to be able
to add bookmarks directly into the mobile version.
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