Frequency of updates
Patrix
As I understand it, if a link is posted on Delicious and Twitter, only
one of them appears on Pinboard, right? I've noticed that links shared
on Twitter appear before those shared on Delicious. Is that how it is
or should be?
Can we change how frequently links are imported or is that
standardized?
maciej
> How often are bookmarks imported from Delicious and Twitter?
About every three hours.
> As I understand it, if a link is posted on Delicious and Twitter, only
> one of them appears on Pinboard, right? I've noticed that links shared
> on Twitter appear before those shared on Delicious. Is that how it is
> or should be?
That depends entirely on which feed the system sees first. In your
case, the twitter feed may consistently be downloaded before the
delicious feed, leading to the behavior you describe.
> Can we change how frequently links are imported or is that
> standardized?
We try to crawl outside service as frequently as it's possible to do
without running into throttling issues or server errors. Setting up a
per-user crawl interval preference would make this much more of a
challenge.
If you really want fine-grained control over what gets imported from
which site, and how frequently the polling takes place, this is
probably best done on your own server (not subject to the crawl limits
we impose on ourselves) and using the API to add the links to
Pinboard. I'd be happy to help people get that working.
Patrix
> > How often are bookmarks imported from Delicious and Twitter?
>
> About every three hours.
Sounds good although personally I would prefer it to be more frequent
like an hour or so. I usually bookmark or post links on Twitter in
short bursts so would like to see them appear asap. But I understand
if there are concerns about overload.
> > Can we change how frequently links are imported or is that
> > standardized?
>
> We try to crawl outside service as frequently as it's possible to do
> without running into throttling issues or server errors. Setting up a
> per-user crawl interval preference would make this much more of a
> challenge.
>
> If you really want fine-grained control over what gets imported from
> which site, and how frequently the polling takes place, this is
> probably best done on your own server (not subject to the crawl limits
> we impose on ourselves) and using the API to add the links to
> Pinboard. I'd be happy to help people get that working.
How can a non-techie best achieve this? Any plugins or add-ons
available?
maciej
On Jan 22, 9:31 am, Patrix <patrixbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds good although personally I would prefer it to be more frequent
> like an hour or so.
I've just asked Twitter to put us on their API whitelist, which would
mean being able to check hourly or even more often. The three hour
interval is something we arrived at by trial and error, since polling
more frequent than that tended to result in a lot of 500 server errors
from Twitter.
Pinboard's not meant to be a real-time mirror of outside services, but
I would like the delay to be as short as we can make it.
> How can a non-techie best achieve this? Any plugins or add-ons
> available?
Not that I know of yet, though it might be a neat project for people
who import from a bunch of outside services and want to see stuff
reflected on their account instantly.
In the meantime, we'll keep working to make the built-in import stuff
snappier.
Patrix
I'm almost done testing the Postalicious plugin for WordPress to post
daily links from Pinboard (will share how-to once I'm done). I used
Yahoo Pipes to plug in the Pinboard RSS feed and then use the plugin
to schedule daily posts featuring links (pinboard + delicious +
twitter links). Most of the links come through just fine but links
from Twitter are not showing up (perhaps because they don't have
tags?). See image - http://bit.ly/83VEnu. The first link is via
Twitter and rest two via Delicious. Only the ones from Delicious made
it and the one from Twitter didn't. Why?
Also, I'm seeing this blue text that says, iPhone next to all links.
See image - http://bit.ly/83VEnu. It is not hyperlinked or anything.
Am I missing something obvious here? They were not tagged on the
iPhone.
maciej
Thanks for getting this working! Linkrolls are bubbling their way up
my todo list but I'm glad there will be something out there for people
who want the feature right away.
> Most of the links come through just fine but links
> from Twitter are not showing up (perhaps because they don't have
> tags?). See image -http://bit.ly/83VEnu. The first link is via
> Twitter and rest two via Delicious. Only the ones from Delicious made
> it and the one from Twitter didn't. Why?
Because Twitter items are automatically marked as 'toread', and unread
items don't get included in your main bookmark feed. I've heard from
a number of people who find this behavior annoying, so I'm going to
make the unread status of stuff sucked in from Twitter a user
preference, and have the default be to add items as regular bookmarks.
>
> Also, I'm seeing this blue text that says, iPhone next to all links.
> See image -http://bit.ly/83VEnu. It is not hyperlinked or anything.
> Am I missing something obvious here? They were not tagged on the
> iPhone.
It's a bug - that blue text should give the origin of the link
(twitter, iphone, delicious) but right now it seems to be convinced
that everything got posted from an iPhone. It should be fixed
momentarily.
Patrix
> Because Twitter items are automatically marked as 'toread', and unread
> items don't get included in your main bookmark feed. I've heard from
> a number of people who find this behavior annoying, so I'm going to
> make the unread status of stuff sucked in from Twitter a user
> preference, and have the default be to add items as regular bookmarks.
Ah-ha! Yeah! Count me among those who find it annoying. I generally
post a link or RT in Twitter only if I have read it so it being marked
as unread is in fact misleading. I use Instapaper for unread links
which you provide as a way to import unread items. So that should
suffice to distinguish between bookmarks and unread items. Please
implement the change as soon as you can.
> It's a bug - that blue text should give the origin of the link
> (twitter, iphone, delicious) but right now it seems to be convinced
> that everything got posted from an iPhone. It should be fixed
> momentarily.
Cool. Thanks. I thought I was seeing things :)
maciej
mark bookmarks as 'unread'. Anyone who wants the old behavior can set
a user preference on the settings page to get it back.
I've also fixed the blue 'source' links to show the actual provenance
of the bookmark (iphone, twitter, delicious, etc.). These aren't
clickable yet, but will eventually let you filter by source.
Patrix
projects. My emails to Delicious suggesting changes get lost in the
interwebs of Yahoo.
maciej
> Awesome. Many thanks. One more good reason to switch to startup
> projects. My emails to Delicious suggesting changes get lost in the
> interwebs of Yahoo.
My experience doing support for Yahoo Pipes was that PR had a pretty
heavy hand on what you could and could not say to users. We were
never allowed to say a certain feature was/wasn't on our long-term
task list, give a time estimate about anything, acknowledge or
describe a bug in any detail, or otherwise sound like a human
being. Oftentimes we were told to simply not respond to perfectly
valid questions or requests.
So I guess you can take solace in the fact that the delicious team
almost certainly reads that email.
Patrix
> My experience doing support for Yahoo Pipes was that PR had a pretty
> heavy hand on what you could and could not say to users. We were
> never allowed to say a certain feature was/wasn't on our long-term
> task list, give a time estimate about anything, acknowledge or
> describe a bug in any detail, or otherwise sound like a human
> being. Oftentimes we were told to simply not respond to perfectly
> valid questions or requests.
>
> So I guess you can take solace in the fact that the delicious team
> almost certainly reads that email.
Not much help to us if they read the email and not respond, right?
Anyway, we should be thankful you managed to escape :)
A quick related question to my original query, you mentioned bookmarks
are imported every three hours; any idea at what times (EST, PST,
etc.)?
I'm missing some Twitter links when I check for updates every hour
(using a script on my server) so wanted to adjust accordingly.
maciej
> A quick related question to my original query, you mentioned bookmarks
> are imported every three hours; any idea at what times (EST, PST,
> etc.)?
>
> I'm missing some Twitter links when I check for updates every hour
> (using a script on my server) so wanted to adjust accordingly.
I'll try to expose this info on the profile page today. It's
different for each user.