commerce_project for Pinax
Suno Ano
some project template with regards to commercial context yet?
An online shop for example or rather, well not the shop itself
but maybe the foundations for such thing.
[0] looks pretty interesting and could certainly be used
to create a commerce_project for Pinax. Folks might then
use it to build things atop it ... an online shop for example.
[0] http://www.feedmagnet.com/blog/cheddargetter-for-python-and-django/
Brian Rosner
On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Suno Ano wrote:
> I would like to know if there have been any discussions about
> some project template with regards to commercial context yet?
> An online shop for example or rather, well not the shop itself
> but maybe the foundations for such thing.
There has only been those that have been trying to smash Pinax and Satchmo together. Not sure how their experiences went. A commerce_project is definitely something of interest. There has been some discussion on the pinax-business mailing list that might be something your after.
>
> [0] looks pretty interesting and could certainly be used
> to create a commerce_project for Pinax. Folks might then
> use it to build things atop it ... an online shop for example.
This is definitely an interesting project. I wasn't aware of it until now. However, it is unclear to me what exactly the commerce_project would provide? Could you be more specific? Also, any project Pinax currently has would integration nicely with PyCheddar. Nothing should be stopping anyone from using it today :-)
Brian Rosner
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Suno Ano
Brian> and Satchmo together. Not sure how their experiences went.
Me neither. There seems to have been some success centered around
http://github.com/pinax/pinax-buildout
Brian> A commerce_project is definitely something of interest. There
Brian> has been some discussion on the pinax-business mailing list that
Brian> might be something your after.
pinax-business mailing list?! Where? Url?
Brian> This is definitely an interesting project. I wasn't aware of it
Brian> until now. However, it is unclear to me what exactly the
Brian> commerce_project would provide? Could you be more specific?
Makes two of us. I wrote this email more or less to kick of some
discussion on the matter.
I think commerce_project (or whatever it is going to be called) should
_not be too specific_ i.e. doing an online shop like satchmo would not
be a wise move.
Instead, providing something generic that is needed/used by any sort of
Pinax-based project in the area of commerce on the other hand sounds
like the right level of abstraction to me. This is why I think pycheddar
would do nice here.
Brian> Also, any project Pinax currently has would integration nicely
Brian> with PyCheddar. Nothing should be stopping anyone from using it
Brian> today :-)
Sure. I just came across pycheddar and thus thought I should bring this
matter up here, see what others think.
Brian Rosner
On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:34 PM, Suno Ano wrote:
> Brian> There has only been those that have been trying to smash Pinax
> Brian> and Satchmo together. Not sure how their experiences went.
>
> Me neither. There seems to have been some success centered around
> http://github.com/pinax/pinax-buildout
Was this the correct link you meant to give?
> Brian> A commerce_project is definitely something of interest. There
> Brian> has been some discussion on the pinax-business mailing list that
> Brian> might be something your after.
>
> pinax-business mailing list?! Where? Url?
Just like any other Pinax mailing list it's available on Google Groups — http://groups.google.com/group/pinax-business :-)
> Brian> This is definitely an interesting project. I wasn't aware of it
> Brian> until now. However, it is unclear to me what exactly the
> Brian> commerce_project would provide? Could you be more specific?
>
> Makes two of us. I wrote this email more or less to kick of some
> discussion on the matter.
>
> I think commerce_project (or whatever it is going to be called) should
> _not be too specific_ i.e. doing an online shop like satchmo would not
> be a wise move.
>
> Instead, providing something generic that is needed/used by any sort of
> Pinax-based project in the area of commerce on the other hand sounds
> like the right level of abstraction to me. This is why I think pycheddar
> would do nice here.
At present time I really feel that before we beginning adding many more dependencies to Pinax that we sort out the best way to move forward with project-level dependencies. I think we need to do a better job of getting a single project up and running from Pinax. There has been some ideas floating around, but as a part of the 0.9 I'd like to clean it up some more. The end goal is to make it possible to get any Pinax project running without always using pinax-boot.py. This is really discussion for another thread, but definitely something I want to see before we start dreaming up all the wonderful things commerce_project could have.
Suno Ano
Oops ... I must have grabbed the URL from a wrong tab; there you go
http://github.com/hbussell/pinax-satchmo-buildout/
Brian> Just like any other Pinax mailing list it's available on Google
Brian> Groups — http://groups.google.com/group/pinax-business :-)
oooh, and there are lots of them actually :-)
Brian> At present time I really feel that before we beginning adding
Brian> many more dependencies to Pinax that we sort out the best way to
Brian> move forward with project-level dependencies.
I agree. Correct me if I am wrong, pycheddar would only be a
dependency/shipped with commerce_project so technically that would not
pose a problem I think.
Brian> I think we need to do a better job of getting a single project
Brian> up and running from Pinax. There has been some ideas floating
Brian> around, but as a part of the 0.9 I'd like to clean it up some
Brian> more. The end goal is to make it possible to get any Pinax
Brian> project running without always using pinax-boot.py. This is
Brian> really discussion for another thread, but definitely something I
Brian> want to see before we start dreaming up all the wonderful things
Brian> commerce_project could have.
Yes, I agree here too. Nevertheless, it is good having a chat about the
matter simply so others looking for info on the matter get a notion
about the current status and involved tasks at hand plus their priority
with regards to the overall big picture (read "Pinax itself").
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I did not know about the pinax-business mailing list till only after I
started this thread; next time I will post commerce related stuff to
pinax-business.
bobhaugen
independent reusable apps, somewhat influenced by Pinax.
This is the first, for payments:
http://bitbucket.org/bkroeze/django-bursar/
But yes, please, jump into pinax-business. Has been a little dead
recently.
And Brian, I'll be very interested in the thread about project-level
dependencies etc.
Harley Bussell
while now and its seems to work well.
It can be pretty tricky as a new user to figure out how to install
both projects and get it all working.
To help people get up and running a Pinax project that has includes
Satchmo settings and the required template blocks in the base.html
would be a huge help.
That was what i was tring to do with my pinax-satchmo-buildout project
but i regret using buildout now as i've moved to pip+virtualenv and
have not kept it up to date.
Right now im bypassing both pinax-boot and the Satchmo equivalent and
setting it up with a manually created virtualenv and combined
requirements.txt
There is only 1 minor model clash between the projects so its not bad.
I should clean up my current settings and requirements and create a
new set of instructions using virtualenv+pip.
Id like to know what are some use cases for separate apps with out
having a full store like Satchmo. All my sites are standard ecommerce
so i don't have anything concrete in mind.
Skylar Saveland
I've been using the smashed together Pinax and Satchmo combo for a
while now and its seems to work well.
It can be pretty tricky as a new user to figure out how to install
both projects and get it all working.
To help people get up and running a Pinax project that has includes
Satchmo settings and the required template blocks in the base.html
would be a huge help.
That was what i was tring to do with my pinax-satchmo-buildout project
but i regret using buildout now as i've moved to pip+virtualenv and
have not kept it up to date.
Right now im bypassing both pinax-boot and the Satchmo equivalent and
setting it up with a manually created virtualenv and combined
requirements.txt
There is only 1 minor model clash between the projects so its not bad.
I should clean up my current settings and requirements and create a
new set of instructions using virtualenv+pip.
Id like to know what are some use cases for separate apps with out
having a full store like Satchmo. All my sites are standard ecommerce
so i don't have anything concrete in mind.
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bobhaugen
> Id like to know what are some use cases for separate apps with out
> having a full store like Satchmo. All my sites are standard ecommerce
> so i don't have anything concrete in mind.
I can and do run Pinax projects on WebFaction's smallest shared
accounts. Granted, the biggest has about 40 users.
Satchmo says it needs at least a slice.
So for me, it's more about weight.
Harley Bussell
it runs each page load.
To get sites running well we have had to disable the livesettings app
which by default runs alot of queries every page load.
http://www.satchmoproject.com/docs/svn/configuration.html#disabling-the-live-settings-system
Then add a fragment cache around the category_tree template tag as it
queries all your categories every page and hardly changes.
After that need to look at the queries in the debug toolbar to see
whats running all the time and what you can get rid of.
I don't think the code size of Satchmo and Pinax is an issue, just the
queries that run all the time.
Harley Bussell
project.
Its using virtualenv+pip and works with Django 1.1.1, Pinax 0.7.1 and
Satchmo trunk.
http://bit.ly/cipnmV
On Feb 4, 12:34 pm, Harley Bussell <mod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it issue with Satchmo needing a slice is down to the queries
> it runs each page load.
>
> To get sites running well we have had to disable the livesettings app
> which by default runs alot of queries every page load.http://www.satchmoproject.com/docs/svn/configuration.html#disabling-t...
Brian Rosner
On Feb 13, 2010, at 2:43 AM, Harley Bussell wrote:
> Finally got my mingus blog up and posted about the social-commerce-
> project.
> Its using virtualenv+pip and works with Django 1.1.1, Pinax 0.7.1 and
> Satchmo trunk.
> http://bit.ly/cipnmV
It is really great what you've done here. Glad to see someone with an active effort around Pinax and e-commerce. I did notice that the social-commerce-project is licensed GPL. While I do not want to get into any license debates I did want to ask you to re-consider. The GPL really limits your code in a predominately BSD/MIT ecosystem. It's unfortunate Pinax would never be able to include it in the future with current license decision.
Harley Bussell
more options to use it.
bobhaugen
> Finally got my mingus blog up and posted about the social-commerce-
> project.
> Its using virtualenv+pip and works with Django 1.1.1, Pinax 0.7.1 and
> Satchmo trunk.http://bit.ly/cipnmV
Wow, Harley! That's amazingly faster than your first Pinax-Satchmo
mashup!
I'm still very interested in how you end up using Pinax and Satchmo
features together. Or even your vague ideas on the subject.
Harley Bussell
group subscription products.
It was pretty basic, a SubscriptionTribe model that extends
SubscriptionProduct and has a Tribe. A few changes to a fork of the
tribe views to hook in subscription logic and some changes to the
tribe templates.
If i looked at it again now i would have used signals to modify the
group membership when the subscription product was created/expired
instead of changing the tribe view code. Things you learn on the way.
It could be interesting to use the content bridge to mount a product
browser under groups/projects etc. If the product browser used the
django admin style class app, it could take construction parameters
for selection criteria and display properties.
You could then mount distinct product browsers into different groups.
Becoming a big fan of class based apps to allow you to use the same
app mounted in different urls, each working with different properties
but sharing the same code.
Do you have any specific features you'd like to build into a social
commerce system?
bobhaugen
> Becoming a big fan of class based apps to allow you to use the same
> app mounted in different urls, each working with different properties
> but sharing the same code.
For example? Did you mean the different product browsers under
different groups?
> Do you have any specific features you'd like to build into a social
> commerce system?
I posted some of them on pinax-business, here:
http://groups.google.com/group/pinax-business/t/a8c290c4b8800476
(In addition to a question about your SubscriptionTribe idea.)