the most true most fundamental problem of all

[Raoul Duke]

the state space is not managed well.

at all. just keystone cops hilariously negligent. and intellectually bankrupt. horrible from start to finish. 

[Mike Austin]

Interact with stuff... update the state. It shouldn't be that hard. I've heard Gren solves some problems that Elm has (updating nested data). Then there's lenses and all that but just make it at the syntactic level so we don't need to think about it.

example-projects/counter/src/Main.gren at main · gren-lang/example-projects · GitHub

[Raoul Duke]

Thanks, I must read about Gren, then!