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ely ouano

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Feb 17, 2023, 7:42:12 PM2/17/23
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Dear All,

 

I think it is better to comply with the PRC rules and regulations concerning APO specifically section 1-e of resolution 1089 of 2018  as copied below:

 

 

And sec 2-d which states:

 

Note it is not having a license but PIC that will be counted  the membership for initial accreditation of the association for APO. For both competing parties of the PIEP, it is a race to get your followers their PICs and have it counted. One way out might be an election certification carried out by PRC or an independent commissioner appointed by the courts to determine and the voting might be based on PICs.

 

As I mentioned earlier, it is only the PIEP that required a certification of good standing to get the PIC among the APOs. How it got there I don’t know.

 

On behalf of the members especially those like me that don’t want to get involved in SPOs (splintered professional organization) I am writing a letter to PRC asking for an explanation as to how PIEP got that requirement in direct contradiction and violation of its own rules and regulations. As far as the PRC webpage is concerned there is no amendment to that resolution.

 

I already got a certificate of good standing from two parties in our SPO . One is for my EnP license and the other one issued by the other party for my Chemical Engineering license.  Is there a third and fourth party in our SPO?

 

Well, the PICs and PTR and in the case of PIEP Certificate of Good Standing are red tapes. In parting let me again post my favorite quotes on governance :

 

  • “The more laws and restrictions there are,
  • The poorer people become.”
  • “The more rules and regulations,
  • The more thieves and robbers.”
    • LAOZI ---FOUNDER OF DAOISM
  • “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.”
    • TACITUS– CONSIDERED THE GREATEST ROMAN HISTORIAN

 

Ely

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Elmer M
Sent: Friday, 17 February 2023 6:14 PM
To: Nathaniel von Einsiedel
Cc: ely ouano; Apolonio Jr. Anota; LEVY ESPINAS
Subject: Re: Certificate of Good standing

 

Hi Bai Ely,

PIEP National President Boy Anota should be able to arrange your CoMIGS..or CoF Chancy Delia Josef whom I’ve ccd here. 

 

Sir Dinky, my term as Scribe ended last year with the election of a new set of CoF Jury led by Chancellor Delia Josef…the new Scribe is the efficient Jeanette Elevado-Cruz…I believe they can help you.

 

Elmer

 

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On Feb 17, 2023, at 14:45, Nathaniel von Einsiedel <nvein...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi Ely,

 

I am copying this reply to your email to our current PIEP National President, Apolonio Anota; the Scribe of the PIEP College of Fellows, Elmer Mercado; and Past PIEP National President Levy Espinas, with a request that one of them respond to your query.

 

The PIEP is presently having serious institutional problems as there is another group claiming to be the legitimate national board of directors and offices. The present leadership is trying to resolve the issue but it is taking longer than wished for. I hope you're able to renew your PRC license.

 

Best regards,

Dinky  

 

 

 

On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 8:56 AM ely ouano <earo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Good am Dinky,

 

My PRC ID is expiring soon. I have three professional licenses and it is only the PIEP who asked PRC to require certificate of outstanding membership. It was a big hassle as I have to get back to my house, send an email to secretariat, print the certificate,  set another appointment with PRC and drive back to PRC office in Las Pinas with all the traffic mess. I wanted to avoid the same problem.

 

I sent an email to the secretariat a few weeks back and never got any reply. I sent the message to our blog, got a reply from an email called president of PIEP ( who did even bother to give his name)  that the certificate is still required. Then I got message from one of the set of PIEP Board of Directors that they could issue me my certificate of good standing.

 

Who is the set of Board of Directors recognized by PRC, by SEC , the courts, ? There could be three or more sets ?

 

Thanks for any info.

 

Ely

 

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Rebecca Torres

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Feb 22, 2023, 8:13:16 PM2/22/23
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Problem cguro is our lack of discipline and respect for the laws when we are inconvenienced by them.

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Joyce Lyn Salunat

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Jul 28, 2023, 4:14:16 AM7/28/23
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Hello Arch. Dinky, Sir Elmer, and Sir Ely,

Thank you for these email exchanges. 

It explains why I had trouble renewing my PRC license earlier today. I already paid the license renewal via the PRC online portal since it is required in order to secure an appointment. However, an additional requirement is necessary, a Certificate of Good Standing from the PIEP. 

With that, I went immediately to PIEP's physical office address in UP-SURP as indicated in the PRC portal. I was informed by the guard and the Admin personnel that PIEP has no more office space in the building. 

I also called all the contact information found in the PIEP website. However, none of these three contact numbers can be reached.

I also went to PRC office in Morayta to get a PRC certificate in lieu of the ID renewal. However, a renewed ID needs to be issued. It's a pre-requisite to everything. 😔 

Apologies for bringing this up.

I just want to seek practical advice on how to obtain this certificate because my potential employment with the government is at stake. 

Hope you can connect me with the right people.

Stay safe indoors!

Joyce

Rachel Guimbatan-Fadgyas

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Jul 28, 2023, 7:52:55 AM7/28/23
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Dear Joyce,

Thanks for bringing this up. I was about to ask updates on this matter. Apparently from your experience, it got worse since last year. In my case, I got a certificate valid for 1 year pending my chapter membership. It was good enough for me to obtain my renewed ID. But my supposed chapter never responded to my email. Where are the responsible people behind these stringent conditions?

Can all EnPs here who recognize themselves as PIEP officers prioritize resolving this? Or give options like waiving this certificate when renewing the PRC ID. Some jobs do require a valid PRC ID.

Kind regards,
Rachel

Ervin Mundo

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Jul 28, 2023, 12:27:25 PM7/28/23
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Dear Enp Joyce;

Encountered similar situation - did the PRC online renewal and on schedule - went to PRC for physical presence. Was told at the PRC that the PIEP Certificate of Good Standing (CoGS) is needed for renewal, ironically, the CPD which is a requirement under law was not made mandatory by PRC and a simple undertaking is accepted. For comparison - I was able to renew my PRC ID of my other profession in less than 15 minutes without any hassle.

I went to SURP (endured traffic and lost time), told by the guard that the office is not anymore functioning. Contacted the published email add and nobody answered and the PIEP website is not anymore available.

Through a friend, i was able to contact the PIEP secretariat at secre...@piep.org and receive a response after 3 days that I need to deposit xx amount for the number of years that I was not able to pay my past membership dues. I immediately made an online payment at the provided bank details:

Account name: Philippine Institute of Environmental Planners, Inc.

Landbank Current Acct. No: 3432-1014-35 



Then after a day, they emailed me a copy of a non-VAT receipt. Since I am in a hurry for the PRC renewal, did not anymore asked where the money will go or for what purpose it might be and was told via email that my certificate will be made available in 5 days. Contacted this email add at pres...@piep.org and informed that I need the certificate as I am in dire need to renew my PRC ID and got a response that the certificate will be provided earlier. I was able to receive the certificate through email, 2 days after paying my membership dues.

It took me 7 days, lost time and endured traffic in going to SURP, wasted my resources and missed an employment opportunity just to secure the PIEP certificate of good membership. With a printed PIEP certificate at hand, I went to PRC and got my PRC ID in less than 10 minutes - what an irony.

Although, we knew that the existence of PIEP has been challenged in court and the litigation is still ongoing - we are a hostage to the PIEP and PRC Agreement that a "Certificate of Member in Good Standing" has to be secured prior renewal of the PRC ID. This PRC requirements forced us to pay annual dues to PIEP which is a private corporation and not subjected to government audit and accounting rules, despite that we are not listed as its stockholders. Whether on what side we might be, we are forced to pay our annual dues to PIEP. If we choose not to pay - then our PRC ID is not renewed.

Hopefully, when everything has settled and the court has decided on the merits of both parties - the funds that we pay as annual membership fees get accounted and properly audited for.

And for PIEP this coming NATCON (and for every NATCON) has to publicly inform everybody on the status of funds, its income and expenditures for the sake of transparency and accountability.

Hopefully this help and answer your predicament and so with the rest.



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ervin

ely ouano

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Jul 28, 2023, 9:25:25 PM7/28/23
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Good am to All,

I think the biggest question Ervin is who will win the court case ?Then did you pay to the winning party in the court case? If you paid to the losing party, will the winning party acknowledge your payment ? How will the payment made to the losing party be accounted ? Keep your receipts. Accounting and reporting of income and expenditure seems to the root of the current problem. How could you expect the winner and losers to account for the payment you made.

Court cases are not cheap. It is expensive. Who is shouldering the legal expenses of the quarrelling parties? Hopefully it is not us, the members. In the meantime, that they are quarrelling and the members renewing the PRC IDs are paying who is auditing those payments and who is giving an accounting. I have not seen an accounting from any of the quarrelling parties.

To the quarrelling parties, prove your worth account to the members?

For the sake of our profession, the EnP profession, let us make PIEP more ccountability, transparency and worst our system of electing officials with voting limited only the attendees of the national convention. The attendees at the national convention does not even represent 10 per cent of the membership. As I mentioned I have become a life time member because I paid P10,000 for life time membership when PIEP went bankrupt. This looks like the second time the association will go bankrupt.

Incidentally, our EnP law required us to be a member of PIEP. This is the big problem of a monopoly coupled with the poor representative voting system. It is difficult to revise the law as it will have to go through congress, senate and president of the Philippines. But we could amend the election process to make it more inclusive. 

Second, Make reporting of expenses and income more regular say every three months just audited by the elected auditor, aside from the annual financial statement as required by SEC, PRC and the members.

Third, amend the constitution to give the members more say especially on activities that are not routine or may activities that PIEP should not be involved such as commercial activities, or member borrowing or investment in member's businesses,  etc. PIEP funds management should be very conservative—term deposit, government bonds, not commercial ventures.

Lastly, allow members through the blog to raise issues or questions the action of the board of directors. This nip in the bud some potentially bad practices that could break the organization. I am pretty sure, the losers in the last elections or those with ambitions for the next elections will really scrutinize  the action of the current board.  It is equivalent to breaking the monopoly and provide competition. 

Ely Ouano

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Subject: Re: [PIEP Members] Similar experience - Certificate of Good standing
 

ely ouano

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Jul 29, 2023, 3:42:43 AM7/29/23
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Good pm Atty Anota, 

Even if it is too loong yes loong not long, it is high time for us the members to know what is going. Boie just hide that it is an on going court case and hence the facts and background of the case could not be made public. Why not just provide us with the filings of both parties --so we the members could be informed without any semblance of a bias towards one party. The court filings are public documents. The members could make their own judgement and when the time comes for PIEP to reconstitute, we know what happen.

What is the status of the court case? Could be members  reconsitute PIEP without the quarrelling members? or should we just wait until the court decides? How about an interim PIEP to serve the members without any of the quarrelling parties involved? Should the 99 per cent of the members be deprived (and still continue paying to one or both of the quarrelling parties) of an benefits from an organization? Or is this a natural process to show and prove that an organization for EnP is not needed after all. We the vast majority of members are wasting our money paying for an organization that has no purpose at all. Or may be one of the requirements for an office any revived PIEP organization for officers to put up their own funds, none of the funds could be used for travel and any benefit to the officers. So President puts up P100,000, VP 50,000, board of trustees 20,000 each. 

Ely


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Sent: Saturday, 29 July 2023 10:26 am
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Subject: Re: [PIEP Members] Similar experience - Certificate of Good standing
 
Good morning everyone. I appreciate all your comments and we will try our best to address the situation or clarify your queries. 
We have a lot of problems. Too long to enumerate here. But we will inform the Board of your problems and will rectify the problems raised here. 

Ervin Mundo

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Jul 29, 2023, 4:07:28 AM7/29/23
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Dear Doc Ely and all:


To add further confusion - something cross my mind. Section 32 of RA 10587 and Section 36 of the IRR to RA 10587 directs each registered EnP to pay annual membership dues.

No law should have been enacted forcing the public to pay mandatory fees to a privately organized institutions - this is tantamount to forced taxation already. Taxation is exclusively an inherent power of the State. This is an interesting case that BIR is a party.

Therefore, how about challenging PIEP and PRC in court for unlawful collection of annual membership dues in favor to a private organization and forcing the court to declare Section 32 of RA 10587 and Section 36 of the IRR unconstitutional.



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ely ouano

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Jul 29, 2023, 4:50:53 AM7/29/23
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Good pm Erv,

I dont  know how the IBP and the PIEP are structured. From discussions with some lawyer friends, it seems that IBP and the supreme court (the body that administer and license lawyers)  does it.

Ely
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mike medina

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Aug 13, 2023, 12:22:02 PM8/13/23
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Its fine complying with this things (what to do, its the stipulation) but the problem is if there's no response from those email addresses (secretariat, president). It's almost 2 weeks (this week) and I still have not received any response from my initial and follow-up emails.
 
Are they responding only to known names in this org? and since I'm one of the many anonymous persons in this org, they don't give a damn responding? Whatever the reasons, its one of the tasks given that they became part of the set of officials.
 
Most discussions here complain about the state of our profession or even our role out there, but even at this supposedly routine/mundane level of taking care of compliance for members (a redtape and hassle), we are already in the dumps.
 
Mike 
 
 
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ely ouano

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Aug 14, 2023, 7:16:49 AM8/14/23
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Dear All,

After the Musk v Zuckerberg fight, I suggest that PIEP sponsor a cage fight between the two fighting groups. Or may be a rumble or free for all. 

We could have it on Zoom. At least the members have something worthwhile for their membership fee and the hassle they have gone through.

Ely

Ervin Mundo

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Aug 14, 2023, 9:22:56 AM8/14/23
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Sir Ely and all:




I was thinking then that since PRC was not explicit who among the two (2) faction will issue the appropriate CoMigs - how about we make this CoMigs issuance free for all. Anybody can issue a CoMigs and claim that he is a Chapter of his own. 

Anyway, wala din  naman tayong nakukuhang services or ameneties sa annual membership fees natin. PIEP National Chapter was not even offering any CPD accredeted trainings. Mabuti pa ang NCTS in coordinaiton with PIEP NCR, merong training na ginawa equivalent to 6 CPD points. The sad part, they only give discounts to thier paying members. Kaya no use din ung binayad ko sa PIEP National.


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