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Rachel Guimbatan-Fadgyas

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Sep 9, 2022, 4:08:52 AM9/9/22
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To whom it may concern:

A requirement of the license renewal process is chapter membership and signing up in https://app.piep.org.ph/register.
The app requires a photo ID  and birthdate. That's considered a collection of personal information.  What are these for?
We already have these collected by the PRC, which also does not have a Privacy Policy. 

What if I choose not to register because I don't want to share my personal data? Does that mean that I can't be in good standing?
I thought the chapter membership vouches for good standing.

Thanks in advance for discussing and resolving this matter.

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eo

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Sep 9, 2022, 4:52:18 AM9/9/22
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They are just sadists who love to see their fellow professionals crawl with awe at their power.

 

Why did we elect them in the first place.

 

Yes time to boycott.

 

Ely Ouano

 

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Rachel Guimbatan-Fadgyas

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Sep 9, 2022, 4:38:51 PM9/9/22
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To those who should resolve this:

I am raising this for discussion and I hope the lawyers in this forum advise us.  I am questioning the process. Please note below a screenshot of the Privacy Policy of the PIEP page where I underlined the issue in red.

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From the above, the sharing of private information therefore is an option. We can opt out. Our Certificate of Good Standing should not be contingent upon registration with personal information.  

I hope this is resolved quickly because I need my license, and we don't want this to be a legal complication.

Thanks a lot for giving this prompt attention,
Rachel Guimbatan-Fadgyas



Antonio Kaimo

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Sep 10, 2022, 12:33:21 AM9/10/22
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No wonder I can't get my ID renewal, unless I am a member of a Chapter!

Tony Kaimo

Ervin Mundo

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Sep 10, 2022, 12:17:36 PM9/10/22
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Dear All:


I got a response from the PIEP Secretariat on my inquiry about my membership dues:


1. PIEP requires me to pay directly to the PIEP Metrobank account my unpaid membership dues and send them email of the deposit slip - no problem on this, this can be done with confidentiality.


2. PIEP requires all to be a member of a Provincial Chapter in order to be issued with a "membership in good standing" - however this was not required by law establishing the EnP under RA 10587 and its IRR. 

Section 24 of the IRR requires the APO to issue a "membership in good standing" while Section 36 of the IRR, automatically qualifies all EnP Board Examination passers as members of the APO - in this case PIEP. Nowhere in the law under RA 10587 and its IRR, that the PIEP must require a member to be affiliated with a Provincial Chapter and nowhere also in the IRR qualifies how a member can be declared as "members in good standing". So therefore - once a member has paid his/her annual membership dues and was not guilty of anything as enumerated under Section 27 of the IRR (Revocation or Suspension of the Certificate of Registration), then the APO should issue a certificate already.


3. PIEP require members to upload a valid ID and the PRC ID in the website - why would PIEP requires another ID when PRC ID is already a valid government issued ID. As an APO - PIEP have access to the official list of all registered environmental planners from PRC - so no need to upload the PRC ID for verification. If my memory serves me right - one of the current PIEP Board was harvesting (mining) personal information from members attending the past National Convention and when I privately challenge him what is his authority - nothing, No Board Resolution to show.



Therefore we can challenge in court the validity of Item 2 and 3 and declare this unlawful. On a more serious tone - the current PIEP Board maybe violating Section 12 and 13 of RA 10173 (Data Privacy Act of 2012) already.





respectfully;


ervin


eo

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Sep 10, 2022, 8:49:05 PM9/10/22
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Dear All,

 

One of the purpose of a professional organization is to assist the members in the practice of the profession NOT TO PUT ALL THE RED TAPES AND HURDLES TO MAKE LIFE DIFFICULT FOR ITS MEMBERS.

 

I would strongly suggest that we revise the way we elect our officials. Why don’t we have a more formal nomination process, say a month before the election and election could be done by electronic mail or by postal ballots. During the nomination process, it would be also time to update the membership dues.

 

I could not recall a time (may be once) that I was asked to vote for any officer of the organization.

 

Ely Ouano

 

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patrick jerome guasa

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Sep 11, 2022, 8:51:10 PM9/11/22
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Allow me to walk all of you who posted about the requirements on renewal of PRC ID.

1. PRC requires professionals to submit a Certificate of Membership in Good Standing to the APO.

RA 10587 REQUIRES Registered EnPs to renew the Professional Identification Card. Read Section 21 of the RA.

2. PIEP as the APO has grown in membership. What used to appear as an "exclusive club" with less than 1,000 members; mostly concentrated in Highly Urbanized Cities; has now grown to almost 7,000 members (and growing) spread all over this archipelago of ours. The increase in membership required the setting up of various chapters. To date there are 30 chapters already within our national boundaries, and 2 in the Middle East.

This development requires members to ask for a chapter certificate of membership in good standing to ensure that a member participates in chapter activities that contribute to the development of the profession and growth of the organization.

This was NEVER ever done when PIEP appeared as an "exclusive club" of planners.

3. Chapters ask for your identification to make sure that you are who you are. Each chapter has data privacy measures put in place. The same with PRC. 

The chapter asks you to submit PRC ID Details, including your birthday to check your identity. This will be checked against what is on the chapter record. PRC asks you to submit a photo ID because this will be used in your renewed PRC ID.

PRC has a Terms of Use Notice on the Registration Page, and the Data Privacy statement is incorporated in that terms of use notice.

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*ABOUT PIEP*
As a 53 year old professional organization, PIEP HAS NOT grown into the kind of Professional Organization it was meant to be.

I am tired of the blame game. Many of you, especially those who used to belong to the "exclusive club" days had your time.

If you can not be of help to PIEP now, just stay silent. Things are being fixed. Yes! We are fixing a mess that was created due to inaction for a long time.

If you need to renew your PRC ID, ask gently. You will be accommodated.

HAVE A NICE WEEK AHEAD!

PS. Sir EO, you were present during the 2018 Iloilo National Convention. An election of officers was held at that time. I was there, and I was not able to vote also, even if I had access to a ballot 😆.

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eo

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Sep 11, 2022, 10:08:05 PM9/11/22
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Hi Patrick,

 

So when we reached 20,000 members aside from being a member of the national chapter, we have also to be a member of the regional (upgraded current chapters), then at 40,000 to a provincial chapter as well, at 60,000 to a city or municipal chapter as well, at 80,000 to be a member of a barangay chapter as well,  and 100,000 planners to a sitio chapter as well.

 

The only active involvement I got with my membership is this blog and somehow I either got struck out after some heated exchange of ideas or the blog just got lockdown during the COVID epidemic. The national convention cost lots of money and being a retiree the value of attending the national convention versus cost is just not there. I checked our webpage and facebook but there is not much of activity that I am interested.

 

With local chapters having membership lower than few 100s, I am just wondering the type of program that they could offer to justify the red tapes of being required to be a member if the national organization could not have substantial activities. Environmental planning covers a large number of discipline and it would have been interesting especially with the internet if the national chapter could organize an activity every month.

 

Those that are or are living before the age of the internet are the ones who need to have physical local chapters. With the internet, even the lone EnP operating in some distant island could actively participate with any of the events that interest them.

 

With the current communication technology, the only way I could see and justify the local chapter membership and physical contact is to get abreast local gossips and drinking sessions that could not be posted or in the internet without getting some flak. You may say well local issues or of local interest. With the internet is it not better to get a wider audience and even worldwide to include the lone EnP in some distant island? Wider exchange of experiences and ideas.

 

Well, I might as well propose to those members of the PIEP exclusive club to form our own chapter of “Exclusive PIEP Chapter” whose members must have license number less than 500, or have been an EnP for at least 40 years, and the membership is limited to 500. Even if somebody is qualified, new members are accepted when there is vacancy due to resignation or death. That is class.

 

Ely

 

 

 

 

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patrick jerome guasa

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Sep 11, 2022, 10:19:01 PM9/11/22
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I just called PIEP National President Maria Ana Pulido. 

She agreed to waive the chapter membership for members of the COF and the old PIEP Members until December 31, 2022.

Please send an email to secre...@piep.org.ph and reneb...@gmail.com so your CoMIGS can be processed. You will be asked to pay your national membership dues.

FYI - the only constant in this world we all live in is CHANGE. If you refuse to change or evolve in respons to these changes, take a hint from the dinosaurs 🙂

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Rachel Guimbatan-Fadgyas

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Dear Patrick,

Thank you for your prompt action which resulted in another action that benefits most of us here.

I only disagree with your 3rd point,

"...3. Chapters ask for your identification to make sure that you are who you are. Each chapter has data privacy measures put in place. The same with PRC. 

 

The chapter asks you to submit PRC ID Details, including your birthday to check your identity. This will be checked against what is on the chapter record. PRC asks you to submit a photo ID because this will be used in your renewed PRC ID.

 

PRC has a Terms of Use Notice on the Registration Page, and the Data Privacy statement is incorporated in that terms of use notice."


The PIEP chapters are not PRC, where we are compelled to submit our personal data, which in my opinion should be more secure and not to be used for market studies. If the purpose of the PIEP chapters is to verify if we are the persons in our PRC ID, there are other methods to do this such as email confirmation or two-way verifications. I request those who decided that uploading personal data must be used as the means of verification, to change this method. Because members have the right to opt-out if this is the case. Our rights are protected by law.  And our license renewal should not be hostaged by this made-up organization system. Again, let us avoid legal complications.

Thank you for your attention. Belonging to the "1000" exclusive club, I am happy to be able to renew my license with minimum hassle.

Sincerely,
Rachel Guimbatan-Fadgyas



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Linda Hornilla

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Sep 12, 2022, 12:04:09 AM9/12/22
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Dear Mr. Patrick Jerome Guasa, 

I beg to disagree with your presumption and description of the PIEP as an "exclusive club" at that time.  You forgot that it is the passage of RA  10857 that gave way to the growth in the membership.  Even before the increase in membership because of the leniency of the law, the PIEP leadership already conceived of putting up chapters in order to deconcentrate the organization in Metro Manila, where most of the licensed planners, at that time, were working or residing. Thus, putting up chapters is not novel.  It has been the vision of the past officers of the PIEP.

For the information of those who are reading this thread.

EnP Linda L. Malenab-Hornilla
Lifetime member

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eo

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Sep 12, 2022, 5:19:16 AM9/12/22
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Dear All,

 

Rather putting up chapters, I think it is more important to improve the services of the national chapter.

 

We are required to have certain number of continuing education points for renewal. Why don’t the national chapter prepare an annual program of CPD with the specific number of points. Hence, the members could also program the CPD course they would like to take rather than taking one just to comply with the number of CPD points. PIEP could charge extra for a session that a member will participate or increase the dues and give the members say 10 hours of internet meeting per year.

 

PIEP could recruit the lecturers. On my part I will give my lectures for free if asked.  PIEP could get PRC accreditation well in advance.

 

Aside from CPD there are also other services that PIEP could provide to its members—such technical journal, on line magazine and journal lending ( may be subject to some copyright and distribution rights--), job advertisement, job fair for new EnP----lots of services.

 

I don’t see any reason to decongest. Decongest from what? As far as my interaction with PIEP it was my PRC ID renewal three years ago when I needed a certification that I am a member of good standing. There was no requirement for chapter membership then. I did not even have the opportunity to exercise my rights to vote because I did not attend the national convention.

 

I don’t know how the other members interact with the main PIEP that it needs to decongest.

 

Ely

 

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patrick jerome guasa

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Sep 12, 2022, 5:38:25 AM9/12/22
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EnP Linda L. Malenab-Hornilla thank you for disagreeing with me! At least you are ready to defend the seemingly "exclusive club". 

Pray tell every one here how many PIEP Chapters existed in 2012, before RA 10587 passed into law.

What activities did PIEP conduct to expand the profession, and what document did you and your cohort of EnPs draft to establish the profession?

When I passed the EnP Board exam in 2006, PIEP could not answer my simple question - How do EnPs do, what they do as professionals? 

At that time HLURB came out with that Memo making an EnPs signature on Subdivision Plans optional. Which was right, because PIEP could not explain why an EnPs signature was required. 

PIRMA LANG, PERA NA!

Walang kahit isang page na issusulat ang EnP. Pirma Lang!

Until  now, PIRMA lang kayo nang Pirma!

Including THAT grievance committee report! PIRMA LANG kahit MALI!

Back to the requirement for Chapter Certificate of Membership in Good Standing - Members of the COF have until December 31, 2022 to directly ask for a PIEP CoMIGS with NO CHAPTER CoMIGS.

To those who do not want to divulge personal informatjon to PRC, that is your decision. 

Spare PIEP your drama!

Linda Hornilla

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Sep 12, 2022, 6:21:39 AM9/12/22
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EnP Guasa, 

Thank you for your drama. Wow! You forget that it was the exclusive club that gave birth to the PIEP and you are only riding on its coat tails. 

You ask for documents to establish the profession? Do you see your name in the original Articles or By-laws? Did you have any hand in the drafting and passage of the law? What have you contributed so far? We had chapters commensurate to the number that we had then. 

Now, what have you done so far? Attend invites from organizations. Those connections have long been established. What about you? Define the profession. I have long  known what it is. You? You get into a profession without knowing what it is? Pity. 
You have trouble knowing what it is because you do not know what it is. Do you know what responsibility goes with a "pirma"? At least the profession was evolving. You became an EnP in 2006? What have you been doing to improve or support the PIEP?

Nakakaiyak! You fault me for errors in the names? Why not in the substance? 

It is as simple as that. 

Before you start looking for faults, ask yourself first. WHAT HAVE YOU CONTRIBUTED TO THE PIEP SINCE 2006?

EnP Linda L. Malenab-Hornilla



Rachel Guimbatan-Fadgyas

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Sep 12, 2022, 6:29:17 AM9/12/22
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Dear All,

It was me who raised the issue on Privacy Policy of the PIEP website itself and its app that requires those seeking to renew their license to sign up and upload  what they have already uploaded to the PRC website in order to get the CoMIGS.   I am taken aback by all these heated reactions.   Let's be more constructive and less self-absorbed.

The PIEP app https://app.piep.org.ph/login (please check it!) requires us to upload two images: our ID photo that we gave to PRC and the PRC license card that we have not yet received because we can't avail of CoMIGS (this is catch-22!), plus our personal details including our mobile numbers.

Birthdate + location + mobile number + email address in one page = recipe for identity theft and hacked online accounts. That, despite PIEP's poor privacy policy. PRC does not even ask all of these. Again PRC is different from PIEP.  I am questioning this PIEP requirement for CoMIGS, because as pointed out by Enp Ervin Mundo below, it is unlawful.  I am happy that this is under discussion, after all we are in the business of "consultancy,"  aren't we?


On chapter membership: 
I think it is a great idea.  I am not from the NCR and although I know more EnPs in NCR than in North Luzon where I am from, I could not relate for a long time to the planning concerns of NCR EnPs.  But chapter membership should not preclude license renewal especially in its early years of implementation. Earning CPD points has already taken much of our attention and is more essential in knowledge development.  I give a thumbs up to Enp EO's suggestion below.  PIEP is not lacking Meisters in Environmental Planning that can be recruited for CPD. This makes more sense.

Thanks.

Rachel

Linda Hornilla

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Sep 12, 2022, 8:15:06 AM9/12/22
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Dear Rachel, 

I am responding to a misguided notion of the alleged "elite" PIEP. Considering that this is a thread read by many, it is incumbent on me to answer that issue of what had been done in the past. Also, history should be told as accurately as possible. Leaving it unanswered might give the wrong notion that what has been stated is the truth. 

As to your issue on privacy, I agree with  you, but being constructive is personal and situational and It does border sometimes on being self-absorbed. Opinions do vary. 

And that is why we discourse. 

Linda 

patrick jerome guasa

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I asked PIEP National Secretary about the PIEP Website.

He stated that the PIEP NBoT Majority already asked the person in charge to rectify many issues found on the website. Until now, the person in charge has not carried out the changes that needed to be done.

Elite does not equal exclusive. If only the ones who were way ahead of many of us EnPs here were humble enough to accept that many things still need to be done regarding the Environmental Planning Profession and PIEP as the APO, then the profession and the organization could have move to a much better place than where it is now!

This may belong to another discussion thread, but I will post it here for the sake of continuity.

Since I became an EnP in 2006, I have never been employed because I could find a lot of consultancy work. For me, my most notable contribution, as an EnP to the community is the drafting and passing into law the Shelter Code of a city.

As a member of PIEP, I would like to state for the record that I was the one who kept bringing up the need to come up with a more detailed EnP Scope of Professional Practice which was presented during the 2019 National Convention.

I was also instrumental in setting up the Davao del Sur Occidental (DavSurOcci) Chapter. I mentored more than 20 local planning officers. I am Immediate Past President of PIEP SOCCSKSARGEN Chapter. I was instrumental in requesting PIEP to grant SOCCSKSARGEN Full Chapter Status.

I DEMANDED that PIEP Amend it's Articles of Incorporation (to change the corporate term to perpetual, among others) and the By Laws to reflect the dynamic character of the Organization.

As Chapter President, I initiated that issuance of CoMIGS at the Chapter Level without the need for a PIEP National CoMIGS because the national president at that time would not attend to our chapter concerns. I was also instrumental in demanding that PIEP -FIX - it's record keeping system, because the PIEP method of keeping records is akin to the stone age!

As a professional technical planner I see to it that what I sign is factual in substance. Sadly, I can say in all honesty - PIEP has NEVER HELPED ME in any way on how I do my Environmental Planning work!

Because PIEP does not possess any document on the profession it has drafted on it's own!

EnP Hornilla, these are FACTS that can not be disputed! PIEP is a mess because it was allowed to become a mess. As current members of this APO; many like me; have taken upon ourselves to fix PIEP and usher the profession to a much better state.

We are not saying that your contributions mean nothing. Thank you for what you did before. But there are things that need fixing. So allow us to do what we see best.

Have a nice week ahead! And I am really glad that this email group is back!



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Ervin Mundo

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Sep 12, 2022, 1:18:19 PM9/12/22
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Dear Patrick and members of the National EnP Board:


Why make it mandatory for a license EnP professional to be member of a Chapter in order to practice as an Environmental Planning? The law does not require Chapter membership and yet PIEP is forcing this issue in order for a member to get a CoMIGS? Regulating EnP as a profession regardless of the number of members (whether aabot ng 100,000 or 1 million) is never a function of PIEP but rather by PRC. 


Violation of Data Privacy is a serious issue - let us not take this lightly, identity theft is real. The reason as stated by Patrick for requiring PIEP members to upload personal information to the Chapter as a way to validate "you are who you are" - this is not the business of the Chapter or by PIEP but rather by PRC as the appropriate government regulating agency. So please be reminded that the Chapter and the National PIEP as an APO should not usurp government functions.


On CPD - with the liberalization of the EnP Board Exam requirements, actually parang kabuti after a storm na ang EnP. Many of the recent EnP board exam passers does not really know what is their scope of practice because the board examination merely entails memorization contained in a reviewer consolidated from past board exams and became a money making in itself by some. This is the reality on the ground and an area that PIEP can be of big help by providing suggestion to the Board as contained under Section 9 of the IRR.


PIEP should therefore organize CPD programs and help its members be updated on current practices, then if possible help members get employed (by networking) and help members earn a living. Being a license EnP is not a guarantee to be hired as a consultant (this was Patrick's rant) but the law requires that all practicing planning professionals must be a licensed EnP under Section 31 of the IRR. So hindi Chapter membership ang kulang for one to practice as an EnP - but rather the continuing education (and earn appropriate CPD points) among the existing PIEP members which was indeed the one required by law under Section 34 of the IRR. So if one is a license EnP and still unemployed - don't blame PRC or PIEP.


On Patricks rant of "pirma ng pirma lang" - please take note of Section 39 of the IRR.


On attending National Convention - NatCon are mostly attended by Government Employees, partly as a reward by their respective office and providing a paid vacation subsidized (if not fully paid) by taxpayers money. But I am not saying at all that PIEP should stop doing NatCon - EnP government employees (and some Corporate Employees) need to have some paid vacation as well and do some networking.


 

Respectfully;



ervin




eo

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Sep 12, 2022, 9:21:04 PM9/12/22
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Dear All,

 

I worked for the government for a very short time. Twelve months to be exact. With the workload I normally outline to my staff the content and tenor of the office memo, instructions  replies etc. Before I do a John Hancock, especially if I expect a two paragraph memo and staff returns with a 10 page memo, I normally apply my four way test. I think I have posted my four test before but for the benefit of our recent members I am repeating it. My four way test( with acknowledgement to the Rotary Club)  is :

 

  1. What is the value added-----none or very low, then it is rubbish and worst it is another red tape
  2. There is value added but how does this compare with the cost of administration and compliance----the value is lower, then it is still a red tape
  3. The value added is higher than the cost of administration and compliance, then could the cost of administration and compliance be reduced by simply piggy backing it to existing requirements----in the case of additional information—if the value added of having that information is high but PRC already has it or it is easier to add to PRC requirements then add to PRC rather than adding it to application form just to make the form impressive
  4. If the value added is higher than the cost of administration and compliance and our agency has to do it, then I do a John Hancock

 

To Patrick’s observation that it is just “prima nang prima---then getting paid” it seems the EnP failed even on test No.1. Should we have an in depth evaluation and self examination  of the EnP laws, regulations, IRR etc  as Patrick’s observations seem to challenge the raison d’etre of the profession itself.

 

I hope Noel Astillero is doing well and is very busy with his practice. If I recall in the previous blogs Noel challenged the scope of the professional practice and even the title of Environmental Planner. I hope Noel will enter into the fray once he has the time to do so.

 

Lastly, I am glad to learn the blog was discontinued for sometime and just revived. I thought I was censored for some heated exchange when I lost access.

 

Ely

 

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Rachel Guimbatan-Fadgyas

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Dear Patrick,

Who are considered "old PIEP Members" that you mentioned below whose chapter membership is waived?  What year is the cutoff period and why?

Thanks,
Rachel

Emmanuel Ikan Astillero

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Sep 16, 2022, 8:09:18 AM9/16/22
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Hi Ely O! I am well, and happily retired. My active work spanned 20 years (1975 - 1995), and another 2 decades from 1995 - 2015. From then on, I slowed down and gradually did not take any more jobs until today, at 82y.o., I am fully retired.

I will reread the xchanges in this convo, and, maybe hazard my 2 cents. But right off, I have earlier recognized Patrick as the "chief ranter" among us - and I have only admiration for all who disagree.

One of the points covered here is the matter of belonging to a sub-national chapter. I think provincial/regional chapters are ok. It cuts travel/communication time/distance from member to national, physical or online. It also satisfies our tribal instincts - the Ilocanos together, so with the Bikolanos, the Ilongos, etc.

As to privacy, hold on to your old IDs; we will soon have our national IDs, and that is the mother of all IDs.

Does PIEP even matter? Well, each professional group needs an APO. We need PIEP - we only need to make it SMART.

Are there "exclusive", "elitist" groups within PIEP? Then or now? The better test of the pudding is in the eating. My practice gave me a good retirement pay.

With these initial thoughts, I retire, and will resume later.

Noel
Emmanuel Ikan Astillero


patrick jerome guasa

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Sep 16, 2022, 11:12:08 AM9/16/22
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Hi Sir Astillero!
I miss your wisdom!

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From: Armando Alli <alli.p...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [PIEP Members] Privacy Policy in PIEP registration
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