Certificate of Good Standing

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Linda Baguios

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Jan 27, 2021, 2:14:27 AM1/27/21
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Dear all,

I am posting this advisory now because I just got it from Arlene Ty, PIEP Secretariat.  I have not seen this advisory in this chat group. That means, I was not aware that this existed. The past PIEP BOD didn’t exert effort to reach out to every member!

I am not a member of any chapter because I thought I belong to the National. So, now I have a problem. I could not get a Cert of Good Standing just because I don’t belong to any chapter. How cheap. I should have a record since I am a Lifetime member. PIEP BOD, I know your intention is good but what else can you do for your members aside from the fact that you are giving us a hard time on PRC renewal? 

PRC nga ang bilis mag issue ng Professional Licenses, kayo COGS lang ang daming dadaanan!  Why do I still need to become a chapter member when I can practice anywhere in the PH? What is the advantage of becoming a chapter member? If I’m not a chapter member, I could not renew my PRC License? Wala na ba kayong mas malalim na dahilan dyan? Eto lang ba ang naisip nyo sa pag-upo nyo ng dalawang taon bilang PIEP BOD, ang pahirapan ang miembro nyo imbes na makatulong?  This is what I get for exerting effort to help members and colleagues in the planning profession understand our jobs!

Linda Baguios






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eo

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Jan 27, 2021, 3:58:25 AM1/27/21
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Dear All,

 

I don’t see anything wrong. After all our profession is practically for generating red tapes. By the way, if and when the board would like to have a coat of arms for our organization I would suggest a shield on Hilbert space of red tapes.

 

Ely

 

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Emmanuel Astillero

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Jan 27, 2021, 5:21:47 AM1/27/21
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The PIEP requirement is for you to register in a chapter, pay the fees, etc. So, Linda, please register in a chapter> I got my certificate - I am registered with the Metro Manila Chapter.

Emmanuel Ikan Astillero

Linda Baguios

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Jan 27, 2021, 7:02:02 AM1/27/21
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Ka Noel,

The nearest chapter here is Western Visayas and for Negros Islanders, it would be difficult to cross island because we are not allowed due to pandemic. Nevertheless, Arlene facilitated the process already. 

We in Negros Island is setting up our own chapter. Ang problema may moratorium sa approval. You see, the difficulty? Why insist on this? One more, I am a Lifetime member, got no late dues. If ang habol nila updated payment lang ng members, they can exempt lifetime members from this requirement. If they require members to attend events, di ba parang sapilitan na yan, no choice ang members? Konting konsiderasyon lang baga dahil pandemic!

Linda Baguios

eo

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Jan 27, 2021, 11:45:29 PM1/27/21
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Linda,

 

Congratulations. Now I could cite somebody fighting red tapes even if it is a small organization.

 

Ely

 

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Linda Baguios

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Jan 28, 2021, 1:46:34 AM1/28/21
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Sir Ely,

Theirs is not even a law, it’s just an advisory! Why post an advisory during the pandemic and could not approve the chapter where I need to register due to pandemic? The worst case is that I could not claim my PRC License here in Bcd kasi “no available time” daw dito sa branch ng PRC na pinili ko! This is soooo unfair! 

When you can even amend the law, this advisory remains! Wa ako ma say sa mga gumawa at nagpapatupad nito! You should run for Congress and craft laws that’s hard or could not be amended! I’ve not been ranting here because it’s difficult to counter attack laws, but this advisory deserves to get my rant(s).

Linda B

Linda Baguios

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Jan 28, 2021, 2:18:31 AM1/28/21
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Anyway, Arlene helped me out on this. Thank you so much Arlene for your guidance and assistance. I’ll just ask and authorize someone to claim my PRC License Id from NCR if I get my COGS and endorsement from Western Visayas chapter.

Linda B

eo

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Jan 28, 2021, 8:54:51 PM1/28/21
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Good am Linda,

 

When I got my professional license in 1970, the license certificate was 2 feet long and 1 foot wide. It was designed for proud parents to hang in the living room to show off to the guests that their children are licensed professionals. For practical purposes, it was very cumbersome. So the ID was the convenient way of bringing along some proof of professional qualifications and it was customary to show the ID before being asked when talking about professional matters.

 

Why not issue a lifetime ID, collect the fee with the examination fee and  pay equivalent to 25 years ( when interest are added this would be equivalent to 60 years). Well, the professional lost his ID or feels he has grown too old he could not be recognized from the ID picture (practically nobody would admit they grown too old at 70 and looks very different when they were 20s) would be some practical reason to get a new ID.

 

Only main reason is Continuing Paying Devise or CPD audit so the professional will be forced to attend the conferences, short courses and pay. The CPD has been around for sometime now. Has there been any follow up study on the effectiveness in improving or updating the knowledge of professionals? May be blogs like ours gives more blow by blow exchange of ideas than what is given in CPD.

 

To summarize, the PRC ID is another red tape. Wastes of time and resources on the compliance side to book a schedule, get new pictures, paste in the booking program, go to the PRC office to get the ID. The annual fee is small compared to the time spent driving, parking fee, pictures, etc. The PTR is another red tape where the government only think of collecting and did not consider cost of compliance including time spent.

 

With red tapes it does not require a law. In fact, there could be a law, a Supreme Court decision and administrative order from the President but red tapes in this country are long life and sustainable. That is what happen to the EIA law that we have been discussing.

 

Linda keep up the fight against red tapes. The professional law requires the person to be of good moral standing, sound mind and without any conviction for moral turpitude. Expect additional requirements such as drug test, police clearance, NBI clearance, psychiatric test results, etc.

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Linda Baguios

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Jan 28, 2021, 10:15:06 PM1/28/21
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Sir Ely,

I need my PRC Id because LGUs (if you have a project with them) requires an updated PRC License. The PIEP BOD’s intention maybe good for collecting annual dues and requiring planners to attend trainings & seminars (though they rarely conduct that). But this pandemic time should be considered so as not to deprive planners to practice the profession legally as this is our only source of livelihood. Due consideration should be applied! 

Joining chapters is a must, bakit ganun na ba tayo ka dami na klangan natin mag chapter-chapter pa? Cumbersome and awkward advisory does not help planners, it only gives us a hard time to earn a living (hirap na nga makakuha ng projects eh)! 

Buti pa PRC, waived ang submission ng CPD units until Dec 2021. I suggest, that PIEP BOD will start preparing significant planning modules enough to be conducted within three years to give us CPD units for the next renewal because PRC will require the submission of these. 

Linda B

eo

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Jan 28, 2021, 11:14:43 PM1/28/21
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Linda,

 

What has got the LGU to do with requiring an updated PRC ID if you have already a PRC license. They could go the PRC website and check it in one minute if they suspect you are a fake. One reason red tape is institutionalize is because it follows a whole set of chain. Other than the continuous payment device called CPD what is the rationale that PRC could not issue an ID with the same validity as the license ?

 

Red tapes results because it is easy for the one making it. It is primarily bullying. Exercise of pure power. One of the main problem is the bureaucrat never considers the cost of compliance because normally they are simply paid and if they are in business they survive because of power. Take case of a consulting company. If you pay your engineer P40,000/month that is P2,000 per day but the real cost when all the taxes, social benefits, support, office space etc. It comes to P5,000/day. So to get the engineer to attend the CPD for 40 hours or so that would come  up to around 7 days when travel is added or P35,000. When you add the per diem and lost output, that is will be around 40,000 to 50,000. Adding the course fee or attendance fee would bring it to around P70,000. Not cheap. It is easy to add holidays if it does not cost anything to the authority.

 

So what was your cost of compliance to get the PRC ID? The cost of your time, transportation, parking fee, the hassle of going back and forth because the LGU asked for it, --compare it to the cost of the ID which is peanuts. Does having the PRC ID make you more competent? Has anybody assessed the impacts of attending the CPD (the way it is done today) on the professional skills and knowledge?

Grace Sapuay

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Jan 29, 2021, 12:13:21 AM1/29/21
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Dear Linda,

I also got that surprise when I went to renew my license. Imagine that? I need a certificate of good standing. eh di sana, nag send na lang sila ng invoice kung yung bayad lang ang gusto nila, and then issue a certificate of good standing every year. 

So this year, please send your invoice to us. Pinahihirapan nyo pa ang mga members.

Regards,
Grace


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Linda Baguios

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Jan 29, 2021, 12:23:13 AM1/29/21
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Sir Ely,

The LGU requires that updated PRC License is filed with them (one of the PhilGeps rqmnt) to ensure that the consultant who got the bid can practice legally. My PRC License expired last August 2020 and due to pandemic was not able to renew on time. Plus the PRC website was down between Aug to Dec, I think. On line application was difficult. I was able to get a slot at Robinsons Galleria in Mandaluyong (claim center) because, there’s no more available slot here in Bacolod. So, I need pa to authorize someone in Manila to claim it for me later. 

Haay naku! This pandemic was not even considered by the PIEP BOD. Good luck sa susunod nyo pang mga gagawin! I don’t want to deal with this anymore, kaka stress!

Linda B

Linda Baguios

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Jan 29, 2021, 12:55:35 AM1/29/21
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Hi Grace,

Haay naku, tawanan na lang natin ang problema. Instead of helping members, pinapahirapan pa. They should think better than that as in think on how to train planners so we can execute our mandates better! Hwag silang accept duties & responsibilities or be officers when they could not perform what is expected of them as officers. Ano sila palamuti lang dyan!  

My rant(s) here should make them think or they can refute what I said here but they could not refute what I feel about them!

Linda

eo

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Jan 29, 2021, 3:16:08 AM1/29/21
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Grace,

 

When I renewed my ID ( as Erv mentioned the license is lifetime once you pass the board) for my three licenses it was only EnP that has all this bureaucratic requirement. I was at Robinson las Pinas and sent the secretariat an email and I got it there in less than an hour while my wife was shopping. So I did not bother at all.

 

I think we have to differentiate the ID from the license. As I mentioned “red tapers” don’t know the cost of compliance including time.

 

Our leaders are all looking at the sky while they are stepping on shits all around them. They could revise the constitution but if “red tapers” have their day, it will be business as usual and no real business will come and flourish. Yes,  there will be businesses but only those than rides on the shoe of the “red tapers”.

 

Have you read the present constitution of the Philippines? Here is the provision of  article XI sec 13(7) of the current constitution. Here is that provision

 

(7) Determine the causes of inefficiency, red tape, mismanagement, fraud, and  corruption in the Government and make recommendations for their elimination and the observance of high standards of ethics and efficiency

 

But one of the biggest joke is whoever drafted the law on the ombudsman was TOO LAZY. He read the first page or so of the historical background of the Ombudsman when it was created in Sweden in 1809 and did not bother to read further. The Philippine Ombudsman has little in common with the modern Ombudsman. The modern Ombudsman is more or less like Mon Tulfo and other commentators. I have never heard of the Ombudsman exercising or reporting his action on that provision of the constitution.

 

Ely

 

 

 

 

 

 

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