Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
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Marco
Apr 13, 2023, 2:17:23 PM4/13/23
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No, not talking about the Adventure game, but rather about my own "adventures" with RSX-11. I wanted to do more with my PiDP-11 so I took a deep dive into RSX-11M-PLUS, an Operating System the likes of which I have never worked with before. It has been both hair-pulling and fun, luckily the latter more and more as I went along.
It's been two weeks now, I have it up and running, installed stuff, configured it left and right to my liking, and still exploring. What better way to show it off than actually using it as a public web server? It's here:
(disclaimer: it might not always be online, as I tend to "play" with my PiDP-11 now and then ;-) )
A big thank you for the big effort that goes into maintaining RSX-11M-PLUS!
Cheers,
Marco
Mark Matlock
Apr 13, 2023, 2:45:08 PM4/13/23
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Marco,
The web site and story there is lovely! I’m glad you find RSX interesting and fun. I worked with it “back in the day” to do laboratory data acquisition and process control in factory environments. The great PiDP-11/70 kit Oscar created and the great work of Johnny Billquist to keep RSX new provides great environment to explore RSX and the other PDP-11 OSes.
I did have one question about the 2/3 scale VT100 in one of the photos. It is probably mentioned in one of the other posts on this forum, but taking the lazy way, I wanted to ask about its construction. It seems like it would make a great kit as well.
Best,
Mark
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Johnny Billquist
Apr 13, 2023, 5:14:56 PM4/13/23
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Seems the site is not online right now...
Anyway, always nice and cool to hear about your experience.
Also, I'm looking for a few beta testers to try out a new image for RSX.
Mark have done an excellent job of providing a disk image that people
can use. However, there are so many patches and fixes that I've done for
RSX that are just a bit complicated to make available in an easy way. So
I've created my own image now, that it would be interesting to get some
information/feedback on.
For anyone interested, please start by reading http://mim.stupi.net/pidp.htm
Please ask questions about anything unclear, both in documentation, and
procedures and processes.
Johnny
On 2023-04-13 20:17, Marco wrote:
> No, not talking about the Adventure game, but rather about my own
> "adventures" with RSX-11. I wanted to do more with my PiDP-11 so I took
> a deep dive into RSX-11M-PLUS, an Operating System the likes of which I
> have never worked with before. It has been both hair-pulling and fun,
> luckily the latter more and more as I went along.
>
> It's been two weeks now, I have it up and running, installed stuff,
> configured it left and right to my liking, and still exploring. What
> better way to show it off than actually using it as a public web server?
> It's here:
>
> Not just another boring web page <https://pdp11.crouze.com>
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Anyway, always nice and cool to hear about your experience.
Also, I'm looking for a few beta testers to try out a new image for RSX.
Mark have done an excellent job of providing a disk image that people
can use. However, there are so many patches and fixes that I've done for
RSX that are just a bit complicated to make available in an easy way. So
I've created my own image now, that it would be interesting to get some
information/feedback on.
For anyone interested, please start by reading http://mim.stupi.net/pidp.htm
Please ask questions about anything unclear, both in documentation, and
procedures and processes.
Johnny
On 2023-04-13 20:17, Marco wrote:
> No, not talking about the Adventure game, but rather about my own
> "adventures" with RSX-11. I wanted to do more with my PiDP-11 so I took
> a deep dive into RSX-11M-PLUS, an Operating System the likes of which I
> have never worked with before. It has been both hair-pulling and fun,
> luckily the latter more and more as I went along.
>
> It's been two weeks now, I have it up and running, installed stuff,
> configured it left and right to my liking, and still exploring. What
> better way to show it off than actually using it as a public web server?
> It's here:
>
>
> (disclaimer: it might not always be online, as I tend to "play" with my
> PiDP-11 now and then ;-) )
>
> A big thank you for the big effort that goes into maintaining RSX-11M-PLUS!
>
> Cheers,
> Marco
>
> (disclaimer: it might not always be online, as I tend to "play" with my
> PiDP-11 now and then ;-) )
>
> A big thank you for the big effort that goes into maintaining RSX-11M-PLUS!
>
> Cheers,
> Marco
>
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Marco
Apr 14, 2023, 3:50:52 AM4/14/23
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Thanks Mark.
Yes, the VT100...I really need to do a writeup on that one, one of these days. It was quite a bit of work to get it like it is now, not a 100% perfect replica but certainly in spirit of the real thing. Files for 3D printing the whole thing can easily be found but that's only the start. In hindsight I think I could have done a better job replicating the original, if I had had the exact dimensions and 360 degrees view of a real VT100. Now a lot of space is wasted (and unnecessarily filled with 3D-printed material), the seam between the bottom and top parts of the original is missing, the ventilation grid (there were none in the 3D files, I added them myself) is in the wrong place, etc. But still, it looks good. It took my 3D printer a week printing all the parts, and then followed a long process of glueing the parts together, filling all seams and surface structure, sanding, more filling, more sanding, filling again, even more sanding, spray painting, and so on. And again the same for the keyboard...
Inside there is quite a lot going on: another RPi 4, an LCD screen of course, a cheap HDMI switcher with the switch button and indicator LED's moved to the rear of the terminal, and a VGA to HDMI converter. So it has grown into a handy multi functional device, both as a "dumb" terminal screen for any of my "retro devices" as well as a small computer on its own. The RPi automatically boots into a bash menu, in Cool Retro Term. That bash script for the menu started simple but has grown rather complex over time.
My setup isn't really practical for any kind of kit. It would take a completely new designed casing, preferably injection moulded but that is very hard and expensive to do, and maybe a new PCB for mounting the RPi and other electronics. The keyboard also isn't ideal, it took me some time to find a suitable keyboard which is easy to work with and (almost) fits the width of the terminal.
Quite a lot going on in there:
Marco
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Marco
Apr 14, 2023, 4:50:21 AM4/14/23
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Hmmm, apparently after a while RSX refused to talk anymore with my reverse proxy server (on IP level), and only to that specific IP address. The problem could be on the reverse proxy side as well, but in all honesty I have never seen that behaviour before. Anyway, as a workaround I changed the IP address in RSX, and all seems to be good again (but for how long?). The web page is up again too (just checked).
Good to hear about the new RSX image, I will certainly give it a try!
And thanks for all the hard work you are doing, it's people like me who benefit from it without being able to give all that much back.
Cheers,
Marco
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Johnny Billquist
Apr 14, 2023, 6:00:10 AM4/14/23
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Marco, I finally got to see the page. Very nice. And I can offer you
some help...
First of all, pictures hosted on RSX. Should not be a problem. I'm doing
plenty of that. Ideally, try to transfer the images over using block
mode on the RSX side. Or at least binary.
I haven't really documented block mode properly, so that other people
can use it easily. But basically, on RSX, files can have lots of
different attributes and formats. A normal text file is not at all
working for a picture. If you transfer a file in binary mode, it should
work fine. On the RSX side, that turns into a file with variable length
records and no other attributes. Which means that programs reading the
file out gets exactly the same content as when it was transferred to
RSX. However, it have a slight performance penalty. From a performance
point of view, fixed length 512 byte records are the most optimal. But
there is no way to tell this to ftp. It's all just binary from the ftp
point of view.
So if you want block mode (which will give you those 512 byte fixed
record files), you should first tell ftp that you want binary. Then,
before you transfer, you give the ftp command "quote block", which sets
the RSX ftp server into block mode.
Another option is to use the ftp client on the RSX side and fetch the
files. In which case, there is a "block" command directly in the RSX ftp
client.
Once you have the file in your RSX system, just refer to it in your
http. Shouldn't be any issues with that. But yes, make sure the image is
also in your public.txt file. :-)
As for RSX stopped talking to your reverse proxy, it might be that it
considered it to be abusive, and blocked it. But if so, then a change of
the IP on the RSX side shouldn't have solved it. A reboot would, however.
But you can check if it is blocked by the spoof detector: "IFC SHOW
FILTER" will list all blocked addresses. If you don't want the spoof
detector to be active, you can just "ABORT SPOOF", and it's disabled.
You can also exclude some addresses from ever being blocked, like this:
DFL 1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
Which means that the whole network of 1.2.3.x is never going to be blocked.
And of course, just ask if you have any other questions or problems.
Johnny
> http://mim.stupi.net/pidp.htm <http://mim.stupi.net/pidp.htm>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>>.
some help...
First of all, pictures hosted on RSX. Should not be a problem. I'm doing
plenty of that. Ideally, try to transfer the images over using block
mode on the RSX side. Or at least binary.
I haven't really documented block mode properly, so that other people
can use it easily. But basically, on RSX, files can have lots of
different attributes and formats. A normal text file is not at all
working for a picture. If you transfer a file in binary mode, it should
work fine. On the RSX side, that turns into a file with variable length
records and no other attributes. Which means that programs reading the
file out gets exactly the same content as when it was transferred to
RSX. However, it have a slight performance penalty. From a performance
point of view, fixed length 512 byte records are the most optimal. But
there is no way to tell this to ftp. It's all just binary from the ftp
point of view.
So if you want block mode (which will give you those 512 byte fixed
record files), you should first tell ftp that you want binary. Then,
before you transfer, you give the ftp command "quote block", which sets
the RSX ftp server into block mode.
Another option is to use the ftp client on the RSX side and fetch the
files. In which case, there is a "block" command directly in the RSX ftp
client.
Once you have the file in your RSX system, just refer to it in your
http. Shouldn't be any issues with that. But yes, make sure the image is
also in your public.txt file. :-)
As for RSX stopped talking to your reverse proxy, it might be that it
considered it to be abusive, and blocked it. But if so, then a change of
the IP on the RSX side shouldn't have solved it. A reboot would, however.
But you can check if it is blocked by the spoof detector: "IFC SHOW
FILTER" will list all blocked addresses. If you don't want the spoof
detector to be active, you can just "ABORT SPOOF", and it's disabled.
You can also exclude some addresses from ever being blocked, like this:
DFL 1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
Which means that the whole network of 1.2.3.x is never going to be blocked.
And of course, just ask if you have any other questions or problems.
Johnny
>
> --
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> || on a psychedelic trip
> email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>
> --
> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> || on a psychedelic trip
> email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>
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Marco
Apr 14, 2023, 6:05:51 AM4/14/23
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Johnny,
Great stuff, I'll give it a try!
Marco
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Marco
Apr 14, 2023, 6:25:36 AM4/14/23
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DFL 1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL, aren't there quotes missing? (DFL "1.2.3.0/24"=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL) ?
Where to put in, somewhere in IPINS.CMD ?
Op vrijdag 14 april 2023 om 12:05:51 UTC+2 schreef Marco:
Johnny Billquist
Apr 14, 2023, 7:14:55 AM4/14/23
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Hi.
On 2023-04-14 12:25, Marco wrote:
> DFL 1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL, aren't there quotes missing? (DFL
> "1.2.3.0/24"=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL) ?
Sorry, yes. When a character like a slash is in there, it needs to be
quoted.
> Where to put in, somewhere in IPINS.CMD ?
I'd probably put it in [IP]POSTIP.CMD, but there are a couple of
different command files that are there for hooks like this that are
suitable. (POSTIP, PREAPPL, POSTAPPL)
Also, in case you do not want it in the system logical table, you can
also place it in the NETUIC group table. Makes things a bit less cluttered.
Johnny
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>>>.
On 2023-04-14 12:25, Marco wrote:
> DFL 1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL, aren't there quotes missing? (DFL
> "1.2.3.0/24"=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL) ?
quoted.
> Where to put in, somewhere in IPINS.CMD ?
different command files that are there for hooks like this that are
suitable. (POSTIP, PREAPPL, POSTAPPL)
Also, in case you do not want it in the system logical table, you can
also place it in the NETUIC group table. Makes things a bit less cluttered.
Johnny
> >
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> > || on a psychedelic trip
> > email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
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>
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> email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
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Marco
Apr 14, 2023, 7:35:29 AM4/14/23
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There was indeed already a commented out line for that in PREAPPL.NEW (PREAPPL.CMD), thanks again!
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Johnny Billquist
Apr 14, 2023, 8:02:10 AM4/14/23
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For everyone - I've updated the http://mim.stupi.net/pidp.htm
documentation with a simplified section on how to update an existing
system to this new image that I hope will be easy for anyone to follow.
This should make it much easier and quicker for anyone who have an
existing system and wants to try out this new image.
Johnny
On 2023-04-14 13:35, Marco wrote:
> There was indeed already a commented out line for that in PREAPPL.NEW
> (PREAPPL.CMD), thanks again!
>
> Op vrijdag 14 april 2023 om 13:14:55 UTC+2 schreef b...@softjar.se:
>
> Hi.
>
> On 2023-04-14 12:25, Marco wrote:
> > DFL 1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>, aren't there quotes missing?
> (DFL
> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>"=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL) ?
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>>>>.
documentation with a simplified section on how to update an existing
system to this new image that I hope will be easy for anyone to follow.
This should make it much easier and quicker for anyone who have an
existing system and wants to try out this new image.
Johnny
On 2023-04-14 13:35, Marco wrote:
> There was indeed already a commented out line for that in PREAPPL.NEW
> (PREAPPL.CMD), thanks again!
>
> Op vrijdag 14 april 2023 om 13:14:55 UTC+2 schreef b...@softjar.se:
>
> Hi.
>
> On 2023-04-14 12:25, Marco wrote:
> > DFL 1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> (DFL
> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>"=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL) ?
> > >
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Marco
Apr 14, 2023, 9:59:56 AM4/14/23
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Pictures hosted on the RSX works now too :-)
Op vrijdag 14 april 2023 om 12:00:10 UTC+2 schreef b...@softjar.se:
Marco, I finally got to see the page. Very nice. And I can offer you
Johnny Billquist
Apr 14, 2023, 10:07:39 AM4/14/23
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Cool. Yeah, if you previously transferred the pictures with ftp in text mode then the files got corrupted. Text mode is really only for actual text.
Johnny
Johnny
Marco <crou...@gmail.com> skrev: (14 april 2023 15:59:56 CEST)
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Anton Lavrentiev
Apr 14, 2023, 10:09:03 AM4/14/23
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Thank you, Johnny!
Is there any chance to see a list of changes and hacks? It'd be very helpful!
Best,
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Is there any chance to see a list of changes and hacks? It'd be very helpful!
Best,
Anton
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desa...@gmail.com
Apr 14, 2023, 10:15:02 AM4/14/23
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A nice, good looking website!
> (disclaimer: it might not always be online, as I tend to "play" with my PiDP-11 now and then ;-) )
When using a reverse proxy, you could cheat a little and use a cache. This way the site keeps working even when your PiDP-11 is down for play^Wmaintenance.
This is what I have configured in nginx for my https://www.rpg.fi/pdp11/
/etc/nginx/sites-available/foobar:
location /pdp11/ {
proxy_pass http://1.2.3.4:80/;
proxy_set_header X-Real-IP $remote_addr;
proxy_buffering on;
proxy_cache STATIC; # see conf.d/proxy_cache.conf
proxy_cache_valid 200 15m;
proxy_cache_use_stale error timeout invalid_header updating
http_500 http_502 http_503 http_504;
proxy_pass_request_headers off;
proxy_pass_request_body off;
add_header X-Cache-Status $upstream_cache_status;
}
/etc/nginx/conf.d/proxy_cache.conf:
proxy_cache_path /var/cache/nginx levels=1:2 keys_zone=STATIC:10m inactive=365d max_size=1g use_temp_path=off;
Mark Matlock
Apr 14, 2023, 10:49:08 AM4/14/23
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Johnny,
This is very exciting! The way that you’ve set up the configuration process is exactly what has been
needed for a while. Thanks for all the great work you do on RSX11M+ !!!
I’ve already downloaded your disk image to one of my PIDP-11s. I’m curious to
see the patches that you’ve made to the RSX executive. Also, I thought I’d
provide a walk through for folks who are not as familiar with the PiDP-11 system software.
Switching to your disk image should be very easy for people. On the PiDP-11 itself here is a walk
through:
First, if you are currently running RSX, run $shutup and exit from simh.
Then make sure you have at least a couple GB free on your SDcard:
pi@PiDP11:~ $ df -h
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/root 28G 15G 12G 57% /
devtmpfs 460M 0 460M 0% /dev
tmpfs 464M 0 464M 0% /dev/shm
tmpfs 464M 24M 440M 6% /run
tmpfs 5.0M 4.0K 5.0M 1% /run/lock
tmpfs 464M 0 464M 0% /sys/fs/cgroup
/dev/mmcblk0p6 68M 22M 46M 33% /boot
tmpfs 93M 0 93M 0% /run/user/1000
/dev/mmcblk0p8 488M 408K 452M 1% /media/pi/data
/dev/mmcblk0p5 30M 452K 28M 2% /media/pi/SETTINGSpi@PiDP11:$ cd /opt/pidp11/systems/rsx11mplus
Now move to the disk image directory for RSX
pi@PiDP11:~ $ cd /opt/pidp11/systems/rsx11mplus
Next make sure you have write access to the directory for the download
pi@PiDP11:/opt/pidp11/systems/rsx11mplus $ sudo su
Now use ftp (if you don’t have ftp, you may have to install it) to download the disk image from Johnny’s FTP server
root@PiDP11:/opt/pidp11/systems/rsx11mplus# ftp
ftp> open ftp.dfupdate.se
Connected to ftp.dfupdate.se.
220- ===============================================================
220- = Welcome to the Update Computer Club FTP archives! =
220- ===============================================================
220-
220- This server is maintained by the computer club Update in
220- Uppsala, Sweden.
220-
220- You can find all the good stuff in the /pub directory.
220-
220- Please be advised that the club provides this service without
220- any guarantees, and we take no responsibility for any harm that
220- may come to you or your system from the use of this server, or
220- files obtained from this server.
220-
220- We do, however, try to ensure that everything here is correct.
220- If you have problems with the server, please contact the
220- FTP administrator ftp...@dfupdate.se.
220-
220
Name (ftp.dfupdate.se:root): anonymous
331 Please specify the password.
Password:
230 Login successful.
Remote system type is UNIX.
Using binary mode to transfer files.
ftp> cd pub/pdp11/rsx/pidp/
250 Directory successfully changed.
ftp> ls
200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
150 Here comes the directory listing.
-rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 26650852 Apr 11 14:47 pidp.dsk.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 25684289 Apr 11 14:47 pidp.tap.gz
226 Directory send OK.
ftp> binary
200 Switching to Binary mode.
ftp> get pidp.dsk.gz
local: pidp.dsk.gz remote: pidp.dsk.gz
200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for pidp.dsk.gz (26650852 bytes).
226 Transfer complete.
26650852 bytes received in 58.39 secs (445.7243 kB/s)
ftp> quit
root@PiDP11:/opt/pidp11/systems/rsx11mplus# ls -lh
total 4.5G
-rw-rw-r-- 1 pi pi 994 Jan 26 2022 boot.ini
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 4 2019 junk.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 301M Apr 14 08:56 PiDP11_DU0.dsk
-rw-rw-r-- 1 pi pi 1.7G Apr 13 16:00 PiDP11_DU1.dsk
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26M Apr 14 08:51 pidp.dsk.gz
Now use gzip (if you don’t have gzip, you may have to install it) to decompress the downloaded file
root@PiDP11:/opt/pidp11/systems/rsx11mplus# gzip -d pidp.dsk.gz
root@PiDP11:/opt/pidp11/systems/rsx11mplus# ls -lh
total 5.9G
-rw-rw-r-- 1 pi pi 994 Jan 26 2022 boot.ini
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jul 4 2019 junk.txt
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 301M Apr 14 09:01 PiDP11_DU0.dsk
-rw-rw-r-- 1 pi pi 1.7G Apr 13 16:00 PiDP11_DU1.dsk
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.5G Apr 14 08:51 pidp.dsk
root@PiDP11:/opt/pidp11/systems/rsx11mplus#
Now we want to save the old DU0 disk image in case we want to mount it as DU3:
later and retrieve files from it. Then we rename the new disk to match the existing
boot.ini file. You could also just change the attach rq0 line in boot.ini as you make
the other changes suggested in http://http://mim.stupi.net/pidp.htm
root@PiDP11:/opt/pidp11/systems/rsx11mplus# mv PiDP11_DU0.dsk PiDP11_DU0_SAV.dsk
root@PiDP11:/opt/pidp11/systems/rsx11mplus# mv pidp.dsk PiDP11_DU0.dsk
root@PiDP11:/opt/pidp11/systems/rsx11mplus#
At this point once you’ve made the changes to boot.ini you should be running Johnny’s new RSX disk image.
You can attach your old saved DU0 disk image to rq3 in boot.ini and MOUNT it in the new RSX to copy
over any files that you want to the new system.
Have fun!
Mark
Mark Matlock
Apr 14, 2023, 11:07:29 AM4/14/23
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Marco,
Thanks for the details on the VT100 replica. The photo of the VT100 sitting next to the PiDP-11/70 looks like an gorgeous advertising flier from the 1970s! From your description of building the VT100 replica I can see that it was a lot of work done by a perfectionist.
How large a build volume would be required to 3D print the case as one or two pieces?
The work you did integrating Cool Retro Term into a bash menu sounds quite interesting. It could be handy for a general use terminal with a spare Pi.
Thanks,
Mark
> On Apr 14, 2023, at 2:50 AM, Marco <crou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark.
>
> Yes, the VT100...I really need to do a writeup on that one, one of these days. It was quite a bit of work to get it like it is now, not a 100% perfect replica but certainly in spirit of the real thing. Files for 3D printing the whole thing can easily be found but that's only the start. In hindsight I think I could have done a better job replicating the original, if I had had the exact dimensions and 360 degrees view of a real VT100. Now a lot of space is wasted (and unnecessarily filled with 3D-printed material), the seam between the bottom and top parts of the original is missing, the ventilation grid (there were none in the 3D files, I added them myself) is in the wrong place, etc. But still, it looks good. It took my 3D printer a week printing all the parts, and then followed a long process of glueing the parts together, filling all seams and surface structure, sanding, more filling, more sanding, filling again, even more sanding, spray painting, and so on. And again the same for the keyboard...
>
> Inside there is quite a lot going on: another RPi 4, an LCD screen of course, a cheap HDMI switcher with the switch button and indicator LED's moved to the rear of the terminal, and a VGA to HDMI converter. So it has grown into a handy multi functional device, both as a "dumb" terminal screen for any of my "retro devices" as well as a small computer on its own. The RPi automatically boots into a bash menu, in Cool Retro Term. That bash script for the menu started simple but has grown rather complex over time.
>
> My setup isn't really practical for any kind of kit. It would take a completely new designed casing, preferably injection moulded but that is very hard and expensive to do, and maybe a new PCB for mounting the RPi and other electronics. The keyboard also isn't ideal, it took me some time to find a suitable keyboard which is easy to work with and (almost) fits the width of the terminal.
>
> Quite a lot going on in there:
>
> <MDX-230414-S10-OC25074-x.jpg><MDX-230414-S10-OC25075-x.jpg>
Thanks for the details on the VT100 replica. The photo of the VT100 sitting next to the PiDP-11/70 looks like an gorgeous advertising flier from the 1970s! From your description of building the VT100 replica I can see that it was a lot of work done by a perfectionist.
How large a build volume would be required to 3D print the case as one or two pieces?
The work you did integrating Cool Retro Term into a bash menu sounds quite interesting. It could be handy for a general use terminal with a spare Pi.
Thanks,
Mark
> On Apr 14, 2023, at 2:50 AM, Marco <crou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark.
>
> Yes, the VT100...I really need to do a writeup on that one, one of these days. It was quite a bit of work to get it like it is now, not a 100% perfect replica but certainly in spirit of the real thing. Files for 3D printing the whole thing can easily be found but that's only the start. In hindsight I think I could have done a better job replicating the original, if I had had the exact dimensions and 360 degrees view of a real VT100. Now a lot of space is wasted (and unnecessarily filled with 3D-printed material), the seam between the bottom and top parts of the original is missing, the ventilation grid (there were none in the 3D files, I added them myself) is in the wrong place, etc. But still, it looks good. It took my 3D printer a week printing all the parts, and then followed a long process of glueing the parts together, filling all seams and surface structure, sanding, more filling, more sanding, filling again, even more sanding, spray painting, and so on. And again the same for the keyboard...
>
> Inside there is quite a lot going on: another RPi 4, an LCD screen of course, a cheap HDMI switcher with the switch button and indicator LED's moved to the rear of the terminal, and a VGA to HDMI converter. So it has grown into a handy multi functional device, both as a "dumb" terminal screen for any of my "retro devices" as well as a small computer on its own. The RPi automatically boots into a bash menu, in Cool Retro Term. That bash script for the menu started simple but has grown rather complex over time.
>
> My setup isn't really practical for any kind of kit. It would take a completely new designed casing, preferably injection moulded but that is very hard and expensive to do, and maybe a new PCB for mounting the RPi and other electronics. The keyboard also isn't ideal, it took me some time to find a suitable keyboard which is easy to work with and (almost) fits the width of the terminal.
>
> Quite a lot going on in there:
>
Marco
Apr 14, 2023, 11:10:36 AM4/14/23
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Hi,
Good point about the caching reverse proxy, I'm using Apache but that can cache too. I'll have a look into it when I find the time.
Thanks,
Marco
Op vrijdag 14 april 2023 om 16:15:02 UTC+2 schreef desa...@gmail.com:
Marco
Apr 14, 2023, 11:23:37 AM4/14/23
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Mark,
It would take a hefty printer to do that in 1 or 2 pieces. The VT100 replica measures 31 x 29 x 25 centimetres. The 3D files I downloaded printed the main body in 8 pieces, each one taking about 8 to 12 hours to print on my Prusa Mk3S.
I have no problem with sharing my bash scripts for Cool Retro Term, of course, but the menu items are tailored to my needs and would take some work to adapt. having said that, I think they represent a good starting point ;-)
Marco
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Johnny Billquist
Apr 14, 2023, 4:44:15 PM4/14/23
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Not a complete list, as this is for my (not released) V5 of RSX. But
most of the things on this list is in there:
====
. DMA bug for DHU/DHV output (DC)
. Increased max packet length to 1500 for XE:
. Add subdirectories
. Changes to max dir length to 52
. Change PFCS$,PRMS$ to handle subdirectories and defaults
. Changed SET /DEF to handle subdirs
. Changed UFD to create/delete subdirectories, and also set protection
on subdirs to make it harder to just delete them.
. Changed PIP to handle subdirs ***
. Changed FCS to do multi-level directory lookups.
. Changed BRU to handle subdirs ***
. Changed RMS to handle subdirs
. (Changed PIP and RMS to handle multi-level wildcards)
. Added TC.LED (Line editing)
. Added TC.INS (Line editing insert)
. Added TC.COL (ANSI color)
. Include support for handling virtual disks as boot device (DC)
. Bugfix for CBD /ALL (could crash if global EF was set)
. Improved output from CBD to show owners and protections
. Bugfix for commands longer than 80 chars from system calls to CLI
. Bugfix for INS so that non-privileged users can't get access to any common
. Bugfix for INS so that if task is installed with /UIC, it will use it.
. Bugfix in SET /INQUIRE to parse responses from terminals
. Add COLOR parsing to SET /INQUIRE
. Add COLOR parsing to DCL.
. Bugfix. Change SET /NOPAR to be privileged command. (OS)
. Bugfix. TAS sometimes displayed the wrong block number. (RB)
. Added DIS as an allowed command for logged out terminals.
. Bugfix. Change CLI /LGO to CLI /LOG (OS)
. Changed so that unprivileged users can list selected logical names in all
tables in MCR.
. Changed so that unprivileged users can manipulate logical names in their
own group, as well as explicitly specify what lists to search in MCR.
. Improved terminal type output for DEV command in MCR.
. Bugfix in DEV command /FILE option, which could crash out in some cases.
. Improvement. ACD INSTALL installs ACD without world write access.
. Improvement. Changed SUB and PRI default values.
. PRI - old: /JO
new: /RES/LOW/JO/NOTIFY
. SUB - old: /LOG/PRIN
new: /RES/LOG/NOTIFY
. Improved CFL. Increased heap size.
. Improved security. Added attribute on account to not allow password
change.
. Improved information. Keep idle count on all terminals.
. Bugfix. SYSGEN error (DC)
. Improvment. Add multi-unit TMSCP. Add MF:. Updated documentation.
. Bugfix. Correct M11 sizing/detection. (DC)
. Improvement. Add support for 32-bit LBN (DC)
. Bugfix in error logging. (DC)
. Bugfix in DCL. Correct protection mapping for NFT/PIP (DC)
. Change. Default extension for batch files to QUE is .BAT
. Improvement to PIP - Fix page length for /PA switch.
. Bugfix in BRU - Handle large number of zero length files (DC)
. Added support for /DENS=LOW on RX33 for FMT (DC)
. Bugfixes and improvements for error logging analysis.
. Added RA71,RA72,RA73
. Fixed RA9X bug
. Corrected time range bug
. Fixed drive serial number extraction for TU81
. Bugfix in ACNT. Allow expiration dates after 1999.
. Bugfix in BYE. Allow programs to terminate gracefully when logging out.
. Improvment. Allow session ID as alternative login name.
. Improvment. Allow directory name as alternative login name.
. Improvment. QMG notification changed format slightly.
. Improvment to RMSDSP. Revisions is a decimal number.
. Bugfix in RMD. Task header with DECnet crash
. Bugfix in BRU - Make directory lists column aligned
. Bugfix in NFT - Display and handle Stream-LF and Stream-CR correctly.
. Bugfix in RMSDAP - Correct protection code propagation
. Bugfix in RMSDAP - Correct date parsing for Y2K.
. Added missing DAPSLX.ODL to distribution.
. Improved $HPW code to handle split I/D space
. Bugfix in CEDUMP. /LT caused task odd address.
. Improved SYSGEN - Added A$$LOG to RSXMC.MAC generation.
. Improved .TPARS to use correct PSECTs, and allow for more keywords.
. Fix HELP files on DAT about year
. Fix PMD to not queue output file to spooler by default.
. Changed CDA to not queue output file to spooler by default.
. Changed DMP to not queue output file to spooler by default.
. Changed DMP to default do /LC
. Changed LBR default to not spool list files.
. Bugfix in ELI. Added ability to abort task through existing exit handler.
Change command read errors to be fatal.
. Bugfix to NTDEMO, so that unknown node names get correct number displayed.
. Change RMD VT52 MD page for free space on dev3,dev4 to be on col 55.
. Increased kernel stack space if networking, so that there is enough
space for some special circumstances.
. Fix CLQ command to correctly display dates across date and month shift.
. Fix NETFOR routine OPNGND to use psect attibute GBL for global data.
. Fix NCP parsing of some more VMS EXECUTOR values.
. Fix IOSB odd address crash in QIO directive processing.
. Fix MCD. If an IP device exist, low core got corrupted.
. Fix RRS. Odd address for IOSB in one place. Cause system crash on old
kernel.
. Fix NCP parsing of some more RSTS/E EXECUTOR values.
. Fix error processing files to not create too large UNIT_TEXT
strings if type is unknown.
. Added VT3xx, VT4xx and VT5xx.
. NTDEMO support for all CRT+ANSI+DEC terminals as VT2XX.
. Bugfix in ACNT. It was not possible to abort task.
. Bugfix in DECnet. EPM multicast processing didn't properly handle multiple
requests for the same multicast address.
. Added $UTUIC to GIN$ GI.UIC return at word 13
. Added <UTLUIC> to IND.
. Added TC.MAP function to SF.GMC for TT: device when this maps to telnet.
This returns the IP and port of the remote point for a telnet
connection to
this terminal.
. Added printing of remote address for telnet TT: units to DEV command.
. Added /NUM to DEV command to not translate IP addresses to names.
. Bugfix in NMVACP. SHOW KNOWN NODES processing could skip some nodes.
. Fix HELP EXEC MRKT text.
. Bugfix in LDR. If task loading is suspended because of resource shortage,
LDR did not remap the task header after suspension, causing kernel memory
corruption.
. Bugfix in NT.AUX. The symbol $ACTLN was referred to directly, even though
it is a vectored module, and it is a vectored symbol. However, this was
only ever referred to in mP systems, so most people never got hurt.
. Bugfix in MSCP5X.CNF. It decoded errors only from RUX50 and SCSI, but
was missing RQDX controller.
. Bugfix. PMT never read anything from console when asking for tasks to
abort.
. Bugfix. PMT formatted dates incorrectly.
. Improvement. In DECnet, add Software identification value (NMVACP)
. Improvement. In MCR added terminal idle time in DEV if accounting
. Improvement. In MCR, for DFL, allow unprived give /GR and /TERM if own.
. Improvement. In MCR, for DFL, add /GR=* for listing.
. Improved TTATT so SF.GMC TC.MAP gave a nicer result for telnet terminals.
. Added SF.GMC TC.MAP for interactive LAT terminals.
. Improved MCR to show remote line for both telnet and LAT terminals.
. Bugfix in LAT. Large buffers could be lost in some circumstances.
. Improvement. Added buffered I/O count to CDA active task header dump.
. Improvement. In DECnet ECL, increase buffer size so that programs like
NFT/FAL can run without packet loss in situations where sender is much
faster than receiver.
. Improved NVP to accept SID and directory as username
. Fixed Datatrieve patch set to solve leap year problem @2100.
. Fixed Datatrieve patch set to enable Datatrieve and DECnet used in same
application.
. Fixed Datatrieve patch set to setup correct default directory when
using DDMF facility.
. Fixed BOOT /HW to be able to boot non-RSX images (turn off MMU)
(From O. Safiullin)
. Bugfix in SAV. File numbers > 32767 failed to get installed by SAV
when booting.
. Fix CLQ command to align columns in date.
. *** Fix XPT to only use segment size instead of buffer size when
initiating a link. This helps avoind a bug in old VMS versions.
(Not on by default.)
. NCP: Added killing of I/O if aborted.
====
Remember, this is my "fixed" list for V5. Not everything is applied, or
applicable to V4.6. But it gives a rough idea what is in there...
Johnny
most of the things on this list is in there:
====
. DMA bug for DHU/DHV output (DC)
. Increased max packet length to 1500 for XE:
. Add subdirectories
. Changes to max dir length to 52
. Change PFCS$,PRMS$ to handle subdirectories and defaults
. Changed SET /DEF to handle subdirs
. Changed UFD to create/delete subdirectories, and also set protection
on subdirs to make it harder to just delete them.
. Changed PIP to handle subdirs ***
. Changed FCS to do multi-level directory lookups.
. Changed BRU to handle subdirs ***
. Changed RMS to handle subdirs
. (Changed PIP and RMS to handle multi-level wildcards)
. Added TC.LED (Line editing)
. Added TC.INS (Line editing insert)
. Added TC.COL (ANSI color)
. Include support for handling virtual disks as boot device (DC)
. Bugfix for CBD /ALL (could crash if global EF was set)
. Improved output from CBD to show owners and protections
. Bugfix for commands longer than 80 chars from system calls to CLI
. Bugfix for INS so that non-privileged users can't get access to any common
. Bugfix for INS so that if task is installed with /UIC, it will use it.
. Bugfix in SET /INQUIRE to parse responses from terminals
. Add COLOR parsing to SET /INQUIRE
. Add COLOR parsing to DCL.
. Bugfix. Change SET /NOPAR to be privileged command. (OS)
. Bugfix. TAS sometimes displayed the wrong block number. (RB)
. Added DIS as an allowed command for logged out terminals.
. Bugfix. Change CLI /LGO to CLI /LOG (OS)
. Changed so that unprivileged users can list selected logical names in all
tables in MCR.
. Changed so that unprivileged users can manipulate logical names in their
own group, as well as explicitly specify what lists to search in MCR.
. Improved terminal type output for DEV command in MCR.
. Bugfix in DEV command /FILE option, which could crash out in some cases.
. Improvement. ACD INSTALL installs ACD without world write access.
. Improvement. Changed SUB and PRI default values.
. PRI - old: /JO
new: /RES/LOW/JO/NOTIFY
. SUB - old: /LOG/PRIN
new: /RES/LOG/NOTIFY
. Improved CFL. Increased heap size.
. Improved security. Added attribute on account to not allow password
change.
. Improved information. Keep idle count on all terminals.
. Bugfix. SYSGEN error (DC)
. Improvment. Add multi-unit TMSCP. Add MF:. Updated documentation.
. Bugfix. Correct M11 sizing/detection. (DC)
. Improvement. Add support for 32-bit LBN (DC)
. Bugfix in error logging. (DC)
. Bugfix in DCL. Correct protection mapping for NFT/PIP (DC)
. Change. Default extension for batch files to QUE is .BAT
. Improvement to PIP - Fix page length for /PA switch.
. Bugfix in BRU - Handle large number of zero length files (DC)
. Added support for /DENS=LOW on RX33 for FMT (DC)
. Bugfixes and improvements for error logging analysis.
. Added RA71,RA72,RA73
. Fixed RA9X bug
. Corrected time range bug
. Fixed drive serial number extraction for TU81
. Bugfix in ACNT. Allow expiration dates after 1999.
. Bugfix in BYE. Allow programs to terminate gracefully when logging out.
. Improvment. Allow session ID as alternative login name.
. Improvment. Allow directory name as alternative login name.
. Improvment. QMG notification changed format slightly.
. Improvment to RMSDSP. Revisions is a decimal number.
. Bugfix in RMD. Task header with DECnet crash
. Bugfix in BRU - Make directory lists column aligned
. Bugfix in NFT - Display and handle Stream-LF and Stream-CR correctly.
. Bugfix in RMSDAP - Correct protection code propagation
. Bugfix in RMSDAP - Correct date parsing for Y2K.
. Added missing DAPSLX.ODL to distribution.
. Improved $HPW code to handle split I/D space
. Bugfix in CEDUMP. /LT caused task odd address.
. Improved SYSGEN - Added A$$LOG to RSXMC.MAC generation.
. Improved .TPARS to use correct PSECTs, and allow for more keywords.
. Fix HELP files on DAT about year
. Fix PMD to not queue output file to spooler by default.
. Changed CDA to not queue output file to spooler by default.
. Changed DMP to not queue output file to spooler by default.
. Changed DMP to default do /LC
. Changed LBR default to not spool list files.
. Bugfix in ELI. Added ability to abort task through existing exit handler.
Change command read errors to be fatal.
. Bugfix to NTDEMO, so that unknown node names get correct number displayed.
. Change RMD VT52 MD page for free space on dev3,dev4 to be on col 55.
. Increased kernel stack space if networking, so that there is enough
space for some special circumstances.
. Fix CLQ command to correctly display dates across date and month shift.
. Fix NETFOR routine OPNGND to use psect attibute GBL for global data.
. Fix NCP parsing of some more VMS EXECUTOR values.
. Fix IOSB odd address crash in QIO directive processing.
. Fix MCD. If an IP device exist, low core got corrupted.
. Fix RRS. Odd address for IOSB in one place. Cause system crash on old
kernel.
. Fix NCP parsing of some more RSTS/E EXECUTOR values.
. Fix error processing files to not create too large UNIT_TEXT
strings if type is unknown.
. Added VT3xx, VT4xx and VT5xx.
. NTDEMO support for all CRT+ANSI+DEC terminals as VT2XX.
. Bugfix in ACNT. It was not possible to abort task.
. Bugfix in DECnet. EPM multicast processing didn't properly handle multiple
requests for the same multicast address.
. Added $UTUIC to GIN$ GI.UIC return at word 13
. Added <UTLUIC> to IND.
. Added TC.MAP function to SF.GMC for TT: device when this maps to telnet.
This returns the IP and port of the remote point for a telnet
connection to
this terminal.
. Added printing of remote address for telnet TT: units to DEV command.
. Added /NUM to DEV command to not translate IP addresses to names.
. Bugfix in NMVACP. SHOW KNOWN NODES processing could skip some nodes.
. Fix HELP EXEC MRKT text.
. Bugfix in LDR. If task loading is suspended because of resource shortage,
LDR did not remap the task header after suspension, causing kernel memory
corruption.
. Bugfix in NT.AUX. The symbol $ACTLN was referred to directly, even though
it is a vectored module, and it is a vectored symbol. However, this was
only ever referred to in mP systems, so most people never got hurt.
. Bugfix in MSCP5X.CNF. It decoded errors only from RUX50 and SCSI, but
was missing RQDX controller.
. Bugfix. PMT never read anything from console when asking for tasks to
abort.
. Bugfix. PMT formatted dates incorrectly.
. Improvement. In DECnet, add Software identification value (NMVACP)
. Improvement. In MCR added terminal idle time in DEV if accounting
. Improvement. In MCR, for DFL, allow unprived give /GR and /TERM if own.
. Improvement. In MCR, for DFL, add /GR=* for listing.
. Improved TTATT so SF.GMC TC.MAP gave a nicer result for telnet terminals.
. Added SF.GMC TC.MAP for interactive LAT terminals.
. Improved MCR to show remote line for both telnet and LAT terminals.
. Bugfix in LAT. Large buffers could be lost in some circumstances.
. Improvement. Added buffered I/O count to CDA active task header dump.
. Improvement. In DECnet ECL, increase buffer size so that programs like
NFT/FAL can run without packet loss in situations where sender is much
faster than receiver.
. Improved NVP to accept SID and directory as username
. Fixed Datatrieve patch set to solve leap year problem @2100.
. Fixed Datatrieve patch set to enable Datatrieve and DECnet used in same
application.
. Fixed Datatrieve patch set to setup correct default directory when
using DDMF facility.
. Fixed BOOT /HW to be able to boot non-RSX images (turn off MMU)
(From O. Safiullin)
. Bugfix in SAV. File numbers > 32767 failed to get installed by SAV
when booting.
. Fix CLQ command to align columns in date.
. *** Fix XPT to only use segment size instead of buffer size when
initiating a link. This helps avoind a bug in old VMS versions.
(Not on by default.)
. NCP: Added killing of I/O if aborted.
====
Remember, this is my "fixed" list for V5. Not everything is applied, or
applicable to V4.6. But it gives a rough idea what is in there...
Johnny
Marco
Apr 15, 2023, 7:36:57 AM4/15/23
to [PiDP-11]
In the end I decided not to go with a reverse proxy cache, for when the RSX web page is not available, but a redirect page instead, like this:
Op vrijdag 14 april 2023 om 17:10:36 UTC+2 schreef Marco:
Anton Lavrentiev
Apr 15, 2023, 11:54:30 AM4/15/23
to Johnny Billquist, pid...@googlegroups.com
That looks impressive! Thanks, Johnny!
Marco
Apr 17, 2023, 10:43:02 AM4/17/23
to [PiDP-11]
Hi again,
So, I had a look at Johnny's new image, and I've run into some issues, which are most likely totally to blame on my lack of understanding (of a lot of things). Here's what I did. It's a fresh install, successfully ran through the configuration steps (and was wise enough to make a copy of the disk image at that point).
I login as the System user, and created a new user, UIC 200,050, directory name DU0:[200050].
I then login with that account. Doing a dir is (of course, I assume) empty.
I can use 'create', no problem. A dir/full then shows [200,050] [RWED,RWED,RWED,R] (I by now know what that means ;-) ).
Then I try edt with a new file name. The response is "Input file does not exist" and "[EOB]", all good so far. But when I type change at the asterix, everything freezes. I have to actually reset SIMH. That can't be good.
When RSX is up again, checking the {200050] directory: it has a filename.JOU file, size 0, [200,050] [RD,RWED,,]
So what I wanted to say is...help... ;-)
Cheers,
Marco
Op zaterdag 15 april 2023 om 17:54:30 UTC+2 schreef anton.la...@gmail.com:
Mark Matlock
Apr 17, 2023, 11:26:09 AM4/17/23
to Marco, [PiDP-11]
Marco,
I’m not sure why EDT is locking up like that. It could be that the [000000]200050.DIR directory file hs protection that is causing a problem but then I wouldn’t expect and TEXT.JOU to be created.
One way to avoid having to recreate all of the user accounts is to have your old PiDP-11/70 system disk mounted as DU2: and then you can copy from it to the new DU0: One key file to consider copying is [000000]RSX11.SYS which is the system file that holds the account info and passwords. I’ve attached a couple log files, one that explains how to download the disk image and set things up for copying. The command to copy the RSX11.SYS would be
PIP DU:[000000]/NV/CD/CO=DU2:[000000]RSX11.SYS
Also, directory files will need to be created for the accounts and this is a good time to copy the user files as well.
PIP DU:[200,50]/UF/CD=DU2:[200,50]*.*;*
The /CD preserves creation dates which is helpful to see what’s new and what’s not.
The second attached file is a sample of the dialog that one sees when booting the new disk image.
If you are upgrading from an existing RSX11M+ environment with DECnet and TCP/IP you’ll need to customize RSX for your network environment
1. copy [000000]RSX11.SYS for account info
2. Install layer software, especially CLEACD so you can get line editing running
@RPM FETCH
@RPM INSTALL CLEACD
then add
ACD LINK TI: TO NUMBER CLE$EMACS
to your LOGIN.CMD
3. copy [1,2]HOSTS.TXT for TCP/IP address info on local nodes
4. NCP SET decent.address NAM codename for any adjacent nodes to copy node database
5. Run [5,54]NNCFSL to copy node database from another node
then SCP STOP and SCP START to switch to updated DECnet node database
7. Copy any [1,2]LOGIN.TXT, BATCH.TXT files
8. If you use LAT copy [5,54]LAT.DAT to retain defined LCP info
9. If you use Proxies copy [5,54]PROXY.SYS and use CFE on CETAB.MAC to:
CFE> DEFINE EXE INC PROXY ENABLE
CFE> DEFINE EXE OUT PROXY ENABLE
Good Luck,
Mark
I’m not sure why EDT is locking up like that. It could be that the [000000]200050.DIR directory file hs protection that is causing a problem but then I wouldn’t expect and TEXT.JOU to be created.
One way to avoid having to recreate all of the user accounts is to have your old PiDP-11/70 system disk mounted as DU2: and then you can copy from it to the new DU0: One key file to consider copying is [000000]RSX11.SYS which is the system file that holds the account info and passwords. I’ve attached a couple log files, one that explains how to download the disk image and set things up for copying. The command to copy the RSX11.SYS would be
PIP DU:[000000]/NV/CD/CO=DU2:[000000]RSX11.SYS
Also, directory files will need to be created for the accounts and this is a good time to copy the user files as well.
PIP DU:[200,50]/UF/CD=DU2:[200,50]*.*;*
The /CD preserves creation dates which is helpful to see what’s new and what’s not.
The second attached file is a sample of the dialog that one sees when booting the new disk image.
If you are upgrading from an existing RSX11M+ environment with DECnet and TCP/IP you’ll need to customize RSX for your network environment
1. copy [000000]RSX11.SYS for account info
2. Install layer software, especially CLEACD so you can get line editing running
@RPM FETCH
@RPM INSTALL CLEACD
then add
ACD LINK TI: TO NUMBER CLE$EMACS
to your LOGIN.CMD
3. copy [1,2]HOSTS.TXT for TCP/IP address info on local nodes
4. NCP SET decent.address NAM codename for any adjacent nodes to copy node database
5. Run [5,54]NNCFSL to copy node database from another node
then SCP STOP and SCP START to switch to updated DECnet node database
7. Copy any [1,2]LOGIN.TXT, BATCH.TXT files
8. If you use LAT copy [5,54]LAT.DAT to retain defined LCP info
9. If you use Proxies copy [5,54]PROXY.SYS and use CFE on CETAB.MAC to:
CFE> DEFINE EXE INC PROXY ENABLE
CFE> DEFINE EXE OUT PROXY ENABLE
Good Luck,
Mark
Johnny Billquist
Apr 17, 2023, 11:51:48 AM4/17/23
to pid...@googlegroups.com
Marco, no clear idea what your problem could be. Could you show the
output from "DEV TI:" so we can see what terminal settings you have?
Johnny
On 2023-04-17 16:43, Marco wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> So, I had a look at Johnny's new image, and I've run into some issues,
> which are most likely totally to blame on my lack of understanding (of a
> lot of things). Here's what I did. It's a fresh install, successfully
> ran through the configuration steps (and was wise enough to make a copy
> of the disk image at that point).
>
> I login as the System user, and created a new user, UIC 200,050,
> directory name DU0:[200050].
> I then login with that account. Doing a dir is (of course, I assume) empty.
> I can use 'create', no problem. A dir/full then shows [200,050]
> [RWED,RWED,RWED,R] (I by now know what that means ;-) ).
> Then I try edt with a new file name. The response is "Input file does
> not exist" and "[EOB]", all good so far. But when I type change at the
> asterix, everything freezes. I have to actually reset SIMH. That can't
> be good.
> When RSX is up again, checking the {200050] directory: it has a
> filename.JOU file, size 0, [200,050] [RD,RWED,,]
>
> > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> > >>> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
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output from "DEV TI:" so we can see what terminal settings you have?
Johnny
On 2023-04-17 16:43, Marco wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> So, I had a look at Johnny's new image, and I've run into some issues,
> which are most likely totally to blame on my lack of understanding (of a
> lot of things). Here's what I did. It's a fresh install, successfully
> ran through the configuration steps (and was wise enough to make a copy
> of the disk image at that point).
>
> I login as the System user, and created a new user, UIC 200,050,
> directory name DU0:[200050].
> I then login with that account. Doing a dir is (of course, I assume) empty.
> I can use 'create', no problem. A dir/full then shows [200,050]
> [RWED,RWED,RWED,R] (I by now know what that means ;-) ).
> Then I try edt with a new file name. The response is "Input file does
> not exist" and "[EOB]", all good so far. But when I type change at the
> asterix, everything freezes. I have to actually reset SIMH. That can't
> be good.
> When RSX is up again, checking the {200050] directory: it has a
> filename.JOU file, size 0, [200,050] [RD,RWED,,]
>
> > >>> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > --
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> > >>> > > || on a psychedelic trip
> > >>> > > email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
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> > >>> > > --
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> > >>> > > || on a psychedelic trip
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> > >>> > --
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> > >>> > || on a psychedelic trip
> > >>> > email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
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> > >>> --
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> > >>> || on a psychedelic trip
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> > >> || on a psychedelic trip
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> > --
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Apr 17, 2023, 12:12:09 PM4/17/23
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>dev ti:
TT11: [001001] [1,1] 17-APR-23 16:09 1 S. System
CLI = MCR Buf = 80. Hfill = 0
Lines = 24. Term = VT100 Owner = none
TT11: [001001] [1,1] 17-APR-23 16:09 1 S. System
CLI = MCR Buf = 80. Hfill = 0
Lines = 24. Term = VT100 Owner = none
NOPrinter_Port NOPasthru NOSerial
Lower Priv NOHold NOSlave ESC CRT NOForm NoRemote
Echo NOVfill HHT FDX Wrap NORPA EBC Typeahead
NOCtrlC AVO Ansi DEC NOEdit NORegis NOSoft NOBlkmod
Hsync BRO NOAbaud NOTTsync NOColor
NOLine_Edit NOInsert
Lower Priv NOHold NOSlave ESC CRT NOForm NoRemote
Echo NOVfill HHT FDX Wrap NORPA EBC Typeahead
NOCtrlC AVO Ansi DEC NOEdit NORegis NOSoft NOBlkmod
Hsync BRO NOAbaud NOTTsync NOColor
NOLine_Edit NOInsert
Op maandag 17 april 2023 om 17:51:48 UTC+2 schreef b...@softjar.se:
David Rosengrant
Apr 17, 2023, 3:35:36 PM4/17/23
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I would like to use your images. I'm currently working the pdp8 part and waiting on my pi's. Back in the day, our engineering computer was an 11/70 running RSX11M+. It brings back great memories. I will start building the PiDP 11 board. Thanks for your great work.
Cheers,
Dave R.
Marco
Apr 17, 2023, 6:19:30 PM4/17/23
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I'm leaning towards a terminal issue , but note that I don´t have the issue with the old image.
It appears I can actually get out of the "change freeze" by scrolling the mouse up in the terminal (Cool Retro Term over ssh), which results in control character junk on the screen but does allow me to Ctrl-Z and then 'exit'. This actually writes some of the control character junk to the edited file, so it's not a permissions issue. But strange.
Probably unrelated, when I ftp into that folder and try to upload a file ("put"), I get a "pool exhausted" error. But I haven't really started troubleshooting that.
Cheers,
Marco
Op maandag 17 april 2023 om 18:12:09 UTC+2 schreef Marco:
Johnny Billquist
Apr 17, 2023, 8:34:55 PM4/17/23
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Sounds like multiple weird issues here.
Hmm. Do you have your terminal lines mapped to physical serial ports?
Might they be causing input?
One old time problem was terminal lines that were spewing random data,
which could cause pool exhaustion.
One way of alleviating that would be to set all terminal lines to
slaved. That will prevent data on them causing any problems.
But it certainly sounds like something strange is going on with your
system. I cannot observe anything like it when I try.
What does your configuration file for simh look like?
Johnny
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Hmm. Do you have your terminal lines mapped to physical serial ports?
Might they be causing input?
One old time problem was terminal lines that were spewing random data,
which could cause pool exhaustion.
One way of alleviating that would be to set all terminal lines to
slaved. That will prevent data on them causing any problems.
But it certainly sounds like something strange is going on with your
system. I cannot observe anything like it when I try.
What does your configuration file for simh look like?
Johnny
> > > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>>, aren't there quotes
> missing?
> > > >>> (DFL
> > > >>> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> missing?
> > > >>> (DFL
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Hmm. I can recreate the pool exhausted thing here. Let me investigate
this a bit more...
Johnny
this a bit more...
Johnny
Johnny Billquist
Apr 17, 2023, 9:05:12 PM4/17/23
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There is clearly something funny with the disk image. I appreciate all
the testing. Keep reports coming.
But at the moment, there is definitely something that needs to be fixed
here, and I haven't figured out what yet.
The pool exhaustion is a mystery. It's not the system pool that is the
problem, but it's an RMS issue internal to the ftp daemon. It might be
related to the editing problem, but possibly not. I have not been able
to recreate the editing problem, but the pool problem is visible for me
as well.
I'll let people know when I have it sorted.
Johnny
On 2023-04-18 00:19, Marco wrote:
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com> 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<https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/283bea6c-3bcd-444c-b0b3-6c9dc0ee47fen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>>>>>>.
the testing. Keep reports coming.
But at the moment, there is definitely something that needs to be fixed
here, and I haven't figured out what yet.
The pool exhaustion is a mystery. It's not the system pool that is the
problem, but it's an RMS issue internal to the ftp daemon. It might be
related to the editing problem, but possibly not. I have not been able
to recreate the editing problem, but the pool problem is visible for me
as well.
I'll let people know when I have it sorted.
Johnny
On 2023-04-18 00:19, Marco wrote:
> > > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>>, aren't there quotes
> missing?
> > > >>> (DFL
> > > >>> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> missing?
> > > >>> (DFL
> > > >>> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> > > >>> > >
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Apr 17, 2023, 10:47:14 PM4/17/23
to Marco, Johnny Billquist, PiDP-11
Marco
I'm also getting "pool exhausted" from a simple get to the RSX ftpd - system is the new disk image with no changes
Peter
plong@plongys-MacBook-Pro rsx11m % zftp open rsx11 system
Password:
plong@plongys-MacBook-Pro rsx11m % zftp cd \[200200\]
plong@plongys-MacBook-Pro rsx11m % zftp get SYSGENSA1.CMD > SYSGENSA1.CMD
550 Failed to send file DU:[200200]SYSGENSA1.CMD;3: Pool exhausted
plong@plongys-MacBook-Pro rsx11m % --- Original message ---
Subject: Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
From: Marco <crou...@gmail.com>
To: PiDP-11 <pid...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, 18/04/2023 8:19 AM
> > >> documentation with a simplified section on how to update an
> existing
> > >> system to this new image that I hope will be easy for anyone
> to follow.
> > >> This should make it much easier and quicker for anyone who
> have an
> > >> existing system and wants to try out this new image.
> > >>
> > >> Johnny
> > >>
> > >> On 2023-04-14 13:35, Marco wrote:
> > >>> There was indeed already a commented out line for that in
> PREAPPL.NEW
> > >>> (PREAPPL.CMD), thanks again!
> > >>>
> > >>> Op vrijdag 14 april 2023 om 13:14:55 UTC+2 schreef
> b...@softjar.se:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi.
> > >>>
> > >>> On 2023-04-14 12:25, Marco wrote:
> > >>> > DFL 1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>, aren't there quotes missing?
> > >>> (DFL
> > >>> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> > >>> > > > (disclaimer: it might not always be online, as I tend to
> > >>> > "play"
> > >>> > > with my
> > >>> > > > PiDP-11 now and then ;-) )
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > A big thank you for the big effort that goes into
> maintaining
> > >>> > > RSX-11M-PLUS!
> > >>> > > >
> > >>> > > > Cheers,
> > >>> > > > Marco
> > >>> > > >
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Mark Matlock
Apr 18, 2023, 12:18:43 AM4/18/23
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Johnny, Peter, Marco,
I can reproduce Peter and Marco’s error when using my iMac to request (or send) a file from the new disk image RSX:
$ ftp
ftp> open 192.168.1.41
Connected to 192.168.1.41.
220 Welcome
Name (192.168.1.41:markmatlock): matlock
ftp> open 192.168.1.41
Connected to 192.168.1.41.
220 Welcome
Name (192.168.1.41:markmatlock): matlock
331 Please specify the password.
Password:
230 Login successful.
ftp> ascii
200 Switching to ASCII mode.
ftp> dir *.txt
200 Port command successful. Consider using PASV.
150 Directory listing for DU:[MATLOCK]*.TXT
Directory DU:[MATLOCK]
QPROBE.TXT 1. 15-APR-2023 10:56:33 [6,1] (RWED,RWED,RWED,R)
RSXTAPES.TXT 512. 15-APR-2023 10:56:34 [6,1] (RWED,RWED,RWED,R)
TEST.TXT 0. 15-APR-2023 10:56:36 [6,1] (RWED,RWED,RWED,R)
QBUS.TXT 4. C 15-APR-2023 10:56:38 [6,1] (RWED,RWED,RWED,R)
OSIUSB.TXT 2. 15-APR-2023 10:56:38 [6,1] (RWED,RWED,RWED,R)
PROGRESS.TXT 166. 15-APR-2023 10:56:39 [6,1] (RWED,RWED,RWED,R)
226 Directory listing done.
ftp> get progress.txt
200 Port command successful. Consider using PASV.
550 Failed to send file DU:[MATLOCK]PROGRESS.TXT;641: Pool exhausted
ftp>
200 Switching to ASCII mode.
ftp> dir *.txt
200 Port command successful. Consider using PASV.
150 Directory listing for DU:[MATLOCK]*.TXT
Directory DU:[MATLOCK]
QPROBE.TXT 1. 15-APR-2023 10:56:33 [6,1] (RWED,RWED,RWED,R)
RSXTAPES.TXT 512. 15-APR-2023 10:56:34 [6,1] (RWED,RWED,RWED,R)
TEST.TXT 0. 15-APR-2023 10:56:36 [6,1] (RWED,RWED,RWED,R)
QBUS.TXT 4. C 15-APR-2023 10:56:38 [6,1] (RWED,RWED,RWED,R)
OSIUSB.TXT 2. 15-APR-2023 10:56:38 [6,1] (RWED,RWED,RWED,R)
PROGRESS.TXT 166. 15-APR-2023 10:56:39 [6,1] (RWED,RWED,RWED,R)
226 Directory listing done.
ftp> get progress.txt
200 Port command successful. Consider using PASV.
550 Failed to send file DU:[MATLOCK]PROGRESS.TXT;641: Pool exhausted
ftp>
However from another RSX system I have no problems:
>FTP
FTP V2.47
(c) 2014-2022 by Johnny Billquist
FTP>open rdp1
Connecting to 192.168.1.41:21...
220 Welcome
Username: matlock
331 Please specify the password.
Password:
230 Login successful.
Logged in.
Remote system is RSX-11M-PLUS
Switching to native mode!
FTP>get progress.txt
229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||64006|)
150 Sending file DU:[MATLOCK]PROGRESS.TXT;641
Receiving file DU:[MATLOCK]PROGRESS.TXT;1140 (Size 82.9 KB)...
100% Size: 82.9 KB in: 2.18s Rate: 37.9 KB/s
226 File done.
FTP>
It is something about the ftp client request from a non-RSX client. I tried VMS V6.1 and saw the same problem, so its not just ftp from MacOSX
$ ftp
FTP> open 192.168.1.41
220 Welcome
Connected to 192.168.1.41.
Name (192.168.1.41:matlock): matlock
331 Please specify the password.
Password:
230 Login successful.
FTP> ascii
200 Switching to ASCII mode.
FTP> get progress.txt
200 Port command successful. Consider using PASV.
550 Failed to send file DU:[MATLOCK]PROGRESS.TXT;641: Pool exhausted
FTP>
I hope this helps pin-point things a bit.
Best,
Mark
Mark Matlock
Apr 18, 2023, 12:33:26 AM4/18/23
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Johnny, All,
Two more data points. On Frodo, ftp from an Mac to RSX works fine:
$ ftp
ftp> open 192.168.1.31
Connected to 192.168.1.31.
220-=============================================================
220-Welcome.
220-
220-This is a running RSX-11M-PLUS system.
220-=============================================================
220 Welcome
Name (192.168.1.31:markmatlock): matlock
ftp> open 192.168.1.31
Connected to 192.168.1.31.
220-=============================================================
220-Welcome.
220-
220-This is a running RSX-11M-PLUS system.
220-=============================================================
220 Welcome
Name (192.168.1.31:markmatlock): matlock
331 Please specify the password.
Password:
230-Logged in to system.
230 Login successful.
ftp> ascii
200 Switching to ASCII mode.
ftp> get progress.txt
200 Port command successful. Consider using PASV.
200 Port command successful. Consider using PASV.
150 Sending file DU:[MATLOCK]PROGRESS.TXT;1140
226 File done.
84062 bytes received in 12 seconds (6.83 kbytes/s)
ftp> status
Connected to 192.168.1.31.
Connection addressing: any
No proxy connection.
Mode: stream; Type: ascii; Form: non-print; Structure: file
Verbose: on; Bell: off; Prompting: on; Globbing: on
Store unique: off; Receive unique: off
Case: off; CR stripping: on
Ntrans: off
Nmap: off
Hash mark printing: off; Use of PORT cmds: on
Use of EPRT/EPSV for IPv4: off
ftp>
226 File done.
84062 bytes received in 12 seconds (6.83 kbytes/s)
ftp> status
Connected to 192.168.1.31.
Connection addressing: any
No proxy connection.
Mode: stream; Type: ascii; Form: non-print; Structure: file
Verbose: on; Bell: off; Prompting: on; Globbing: on
Store unique: off; Receive unique: off
Case: off; CR stripping: on
Ntrans: off
Nmap: off
Hash mark printing: off; Use of PORT cmds: on
Use of EPRT/EPSV for IPv4: off
ftp>
then I attempted to compare task version numbers for the two ftp servers and found that they were installed by the
startup scripts differently!
FRODO
>TAS FTP..0
FTP..0 V1.38 GEN 50. 00021600 LB0:-00001435423
RDP1 (new disk image)
>TAS FTP$$$
FTP$$$ V1.38 GEN 50. 00021600 LB0:-00000632472
but the version numbers are the same. The second install is like FAL$$$ to generate multiple copies of the server
where the first installation uses a single server to handle FTP requests.
Hope this helps!
Mark
Mark Matlock
Apr 18, 2023, 12:51:13 AM4/18/23
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Ok, more checking…... FTPD is installed on both old and new systems as FTP$$$
I happened to have an active link to Frodo that created the FTP..0 installed task because
it was still running from a different connection.
However, ftp from a Mac or VMS still works fine on Frodo that has the same version ftpd loaded from
the TBQTCP.TAP from 2-APR-23.
I happened to have an active link to Frodo that created the FTP..0 installed task because
it was still running from a different connection.
However, ftp from a Mac or VMS still works fine on Frodo that has the same version ftpd loaded from
the TBQTCP.TAP from 2-APR-23.
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Marco
Apr 18, 2023, 2:49:07 AM4/18/23
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Good morning,
My simh configuration was under suspicion too, boot.ini basically a copy of that used with the old image, but you never know for sure so I double checked, for testing stripped out unnecessary stuff, there's nothing peculiar in there. Looks quite normal to me:
set cpu 11/70
set cpu 4096K
set cpu 4096K
set xq dis
set xu enable
set xu address=17774510
set xu type=delua
set xu mac=aa:00:04:00:1e:78
attach xu eth0
set xu throttle
show xu
; under SimH 4, "throttling" results in a disturbed "idle pattern"
set nothrottle
set noidle
set throttle 50%
show cpu
set tm disable
set hk disable
set rp disable
set rq0 rauser=512
attach rq0 pidp11_rq0.dsk
; set one DZ11 8 line async mux
; accessible via telnet to 127.0.0.1:4000
set dz enable
set dz lines=8
set dz address=17760030
set dz vec=330
attach dz 4000
show dz
; connect to panel
set realcons host=localhost
set realcons panel=11/70
; We're running on a desktop PC with connection to localhost: max speed!
set realcons interval=1
set realcons connected
;set realcons debug
;show realcons
boot rq0
set xu enable
set xu address=17774510
set xu type=delua
set xu mac=aa:00:04:00:1e:78
attach xu eth0
set xu throttle
show xu
; under SimH 4, "throttling" results in a disturbed "idle pattern"
set nothrottle
set noidle
set throttle 50%
show cpu
set tm disable
set hk disable
set rp disable
set rq0 rauser=512
attach rq0 pidp11_rq0.dsk
; set one DZ11 8 line async mux
; accessible via telnet to 127.0.0.1:4000
set dz enable
set dz lines=8
set dz address=17760030
set dz vec=330
attach dz 4000
show dz
; connect to panel
set realcons host=localhost
set realcons panel=11/70
; We're running on a desktop PC with connection to localhost: max speed!
set realcons interval=1
set realcons connected
;set realcons debug
;show realcons
boot rq0
Suffice it to say: problem persists...
Good to hear that the FTP issue has been identified, that's why we test isn't it ;-)
Cheers,
Marco
Op dinsdag 18 april 2023 om 02:34:55 UTC+2 schreef b...@softjar.se:
Johnny Billquist
Apr 18, 2023, 3:33:48 AM4/18/23
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Ah! That explains your terminal problems.
The DZ11 in my image have different CSR and vector.
>con dis full att
SYS SYS Online,Accpath
PDP-11/70, EIS,UNIBUS_Map,D-Space,SWR,Cache,FPP,
Clock=KW11-L, $TKPS=50., $TTPRM=000002,
Cache_control=000001
WEA CPA Online,Accpath,Driver
Csr=174510, Vector=000120, Pri=000005, Urm=000001
YLA CPA Online,Accpath,Driver
Csr=177560, Vector=000060, Pri=000005, Urm=000001
YZA CPA Online,Accpath,Driver
Csr=160100, Vector=000300, Pri=000005, Urm=000001
DLA CPA Online,Accpath,Driver
Csr=174400, Vector=000160, Pri=000005, Urm=000001
DUA CPA Online,Accpath,Driver
Csr=172150, Vector=000154, Pri=000005, Urm=000001
MUA CPA Online,Accpath,Driver
Csr=174500, Vector=000260, Pri=000005, Urm=000001
TNA CPA Online,Accpath,Driver
Csr=177776, Vector=000000, Pri=000005, Urm=000001
VF0: Online,Prv_Diag,Accpath,Driver,Type=
VF1: Online,Prv_Diag,Accpath,Driver,Type=
CO0: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT0: YLA0: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT1: YZA0: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT2: YZA1: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT3: YZA2: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT4: YZA3: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT5: YZA4: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT6: YZA5: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT7: YZA6: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT10: YZA7: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT11: TNA0: Online,Accpath,Context,Driver
TT12: TNA1: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT13: TNA2: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT14: TNA3: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT15: TNA4: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT16: TNA5: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT17: TNA6: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT20: TNA7: Online,Accpath,Driver
VT0: Online,Accpath,Driver
DL0: DLA0: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=RL02
DL1: DLA1: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=RL02
DL2: DLA2: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=RL01
DL3: DLA3: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=RL01
DU0: DUA0: Online,Accpath,Context,Driver,Type=RA82
DU1: DUA1: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=RA82
DU2: DUA2: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=RA92
DU3: DUA3: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=RX50
MU0: MUA0: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=TK50
NL0: Online,Accpath,Driver
NN0: Online,Accpath,Driver
NM0: Online,Accpath,Driver
HT0: Offline,Accpath,Driver
HT1: Offline,Accpath,Driver
HT2: Offline,Accpath,Driver
HT3: Offline,Accpath,Driver
IF0: Online,Accpath,Driver
IF1: Online,Accpath,Driver
IP0: Online,Accpath,Driver
UD0: Online,Accpath,Driver
TC0: Online,Accpath,Driver
RT0: Online,Accpath,Driver
RT1: Online,Accpath,Driver
RT2: Online,Accpath,Driver
RT3: Online,Accpath,Driver
That is basically the CSR address and vector it is supposed to have in
an autoconfigured world. You explicitly set this.
So either you change your simh config, or the RSX image. But they need
to match, one way or another.
Johnny
On 2023-04-18 08:49, Marco wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> My simh configuration was under suspicion too, /boot.ini/ basically a
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The DZ11 in my image have different CSR and vector.
>con dis full att
SYS SYS Online,Accpath
PDP-11/70, EIS,UNIBUS_Map,D-Space,SWR,Cache,FPP,
Clock=KW11-L, $TKPS=50., $TTPRM=000002,
Cache_control=000001
WEA CPA Online,Accpath,Driver
Csr=174510, Vector=000120, Pri=000005, Urm=000001
YLA CPA Online,Accpath,Driver
Csr=177560, Vector=000060, Pri=000005, Urm=000001
YZA CPA Online,Accpath,Driver
Csr=160100, Vector=000300, Pri=000005, Urm=000001
DLA CPA Online,Accpath,Driver
Csr=174400, Vector=000160, Pri=000005, Urm=000001
DUA CPA Online,Accpath,Driver
Csr=172150, Vector=000154, Pri=000005, Urm=000001
MUA CPA Online,Accpath,Driver
Csr=174500, Vector=000260, Pri=000005, Urm=000001
TNA CPA Online,Accpath,Driver
Csr=177776, Vector=000000, Pri=000005, Urm=000001
VF0: Online,Prv_Diag,Accpath,Driver,Type=
VF1: Online,Prv_Diag,Accpath,Driver,Type=
CO0: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT0: YLA0: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT1: YZA0: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT2: YZA1: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT3: YZA2: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT4: YZA3: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT5: YZA4: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT6: YZA5: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT7: YZA6: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT10: YZA7: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT11: TNA0: Online,Accpath,Context,Driver
TT12: TNA1: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT13: TNA2: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT14: TNA3: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT15: TNA4: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT16: TNA5: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT17: TNA6: Online,Accpath,Driver
TT20: TNA7: Online,Accpath,Driver
VT0: Online,Accpath,Driver
DL0: DLA0: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=RL02
DL1: DLA1: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=RL02
DL2: DLA2: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=RL01
DL3: DLA3: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=RL01
DU0: DUA0: Online,Accpath,Context,Driver,Type=RA82
DU1: DUA1: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=RA82
DU2: DUA2: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=RA92
DU3: DUA3: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=RX50
MU0: MUA0: Online,Accpath,Driver,Type=TK50
NL0: Online,Accpath,Driver
NN0: Online,Accpath,Driver
NM0: Online,Accpath,Driver
HT0: Offline,Accpath,Driver
HT1: Offline,Accpath,Driver
HT2: Offline,Accpath,Driver
HT3: Offline,Accpath,Driver
IF0: Online,Accpath,Driver
IF1: Online,Accpath,Driver
IP0: Online,Accpath,Driver
UD0: Online,Accpath,Driver
TC0: Online,Accpath,Driver
RT0: Online,Accpath,Driver
RT1: Online,Accpath,Driver
RT2: Online,Accpath,Driver
RT3: Online,Accpath,Driver
That is basically the CSR address and vector it is supposed to have in
an autoconfigured world. You explicitly set this.
So either you change your simh config, or the RSX image. But they need
to match, one way or another.
Johnny
On 2023-04-18 08:49, Marco wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> > > > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>
> > > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>
> > > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>>>, aren't there quotes
> > missing?
> > > > >>> (DFL
> > > > >>> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>>> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> > missing?
> > > > >>> (DFL
> > > > >>> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> > > > >>> > >
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> > > > >>> > > --
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> > > > >>> > > || on a psychedelic trip
> > > > >>> > > email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
> > > > >>> > > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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> > > > >>> > || on a psychedelic trip
> > > > >>> > email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
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Johnny Billquist
Apr 18, 2023, 11:12:38 PM4/18/23
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Jeez. That pool exhausted problem was trickier than I expected. But it
should be solved now. New images uploaded, and new cut of BQTCP also
made in general.
To make a long story short - I have no idea why it worked for some
people, on some systems, in the past. It shouldn't really have worked at
all, when using ASCII or BINARY mode.
The reason was that FTPD had an outstanding read from the network all
the time, in order to read any commands that came in which required
immediate action (basically just the ABOR command).
The problem is that RMS requires some dynamic memory, and when
allocating more dynamic memory, the task image might need to be
extended, to hold more virtual memory. However, extending task memory is
not allowed on a task where I/O is active, so memory allocation for RMS
failed.
Now, this was usually no problem when transferring in RSX mode, or for
some other special cases, since RMS isn't really used much in that case.
For other file transfers, it might have worked if you were lucky, and no
additional memory expansion was needed.
I've now changed the code to not issue an outstanding I/O request, but
instead only do a read when FTPD gets notified that there is some data
to be read.
Tested on my machine, and it seems to work there. As I said, new images
have been created. Please test and report how it works for you guys...
I'm going to do some more work on documentation and updating automation
next (I'll probably ping Mark Matlock about that, since he's been doing
a lot of it... If you have time and energy, Mark...)
Johnny
should be solved now. New images uploaded, and new cut of BQTCP also
made in general.
To make a long story short - I have no idea why it worked for some
people, on some systems, in the past. It shouldn't really have worked at
all, when using ASCII or BINARY mode.
The reason was that FTPD had an outstanding read from the network all
the time, in order to read any commands that came in which required
immediate action (basically just the ABOR command).
The problem is that RMS requires some dynamic memory, and when
allocating more dynamic memory, the task image might need to be
extended, to hold more virtual memory. However, extending task memory is
not allowed on a task where I/O is active, so memory allocation for RMS
failed.
Now, this was usually no problem when transferring in RSX mode, or for
some other special cases, since RMS isn't really used much in that case.
For other file transfers, it might have worked if you were lucky, and no
additional memory expansion was needed.
I've now changed the code to not issue an outstanding I/O request, but
instead only do a read when FTPD gets notified that there is some data
to be read.
Tested on my machine, and it seems to work there. As I said, new images
have been created. Please test and report how it works for you guys...
I'm going to do some more work on documentation and updating automation
next (I'll probably ping Mark Matlock about that, since he's been doing
a lot of it... If you have time and energy, Mark...)
Johnny
Peter Long
Apr 18, 2023, 11:29:19 PM4/18/23
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Johnny
I did @RPM ALL on the previously failing image and after apply the
TTCPIP update, I can report that it's all working well - thanks for
fixing that.
One question though - it looks as if the image came with TTCPIP rather
than regular TCPIP installed - which one would you prefer we continue
with ?
Thanks
Peter
>; Networking
>;
>; TCPIP V2.11 TCP/IP for RSX-11M-PLUS
>; *> TTCPIP Y2.12 Development version of TCP/IP for
RSX-11M-PLUS
>; KERMIT T3.63 The KERMIT file transfer program
>;
Johnny Billquist
Apr 18, 2023, 11:33:40 PM4/18/23
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The development version (TTCPIP) is where I'm doing all the bleeding
edge stuff. TCPIP is the more stable package.
I'd say that usually, TTCPIP is safe, and will get you new fixes much
sooner. But if you are unlucky, you could end up with a broken TCP/IP if
I accidentally mess up. TCPIP should be less of a risk from that point
of view.
In the end, it's up to you what you prefer.
Thanks for the report on the success, by the way.
Johnny
edge stuff. TCPIP is the more stable package.
I'd say that usually, TTCPIP is safe, and will get you new fixes much
sooner. But if you are unlucky, you could end up with a broken TCP/IP if
I accidentally mess up. TCPIP should be less of a risk from that point
of view.
In the end, it's up to you what you prefer.
Thanks for the report on the success, by the way.
Johnny
Mark Matlock
Apr 18, 2023, 11:48:47 PM4/18/23
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Johnny,
Glad to hear you figured it out. I’m downloaded the new TBQTCP.TAP to test on RDP2 which is a PiDP-11/70 running the original RSX. I can
run ftp ASCII and BINARY gets fine against the FTPD there fine now! Thanks for the fix.
Tomorrow I’ll download your new RSX disk image and install on RDP1 and run through the auto configure process to see if I run into anything on it.
Also, in addition to changing the DZ CSR and VEC in the original boot.ini that you told Marco about, U.S. users will want to add a
set clk 50HZ
to boot.ini to keep RSX time right. They could also change RSX with CON if they really wanted to be 60HZ.
Lastly, if they have an existing DECnet node address for the PiDP-11, then they likely have already set the MAC address in boot.ini for xu
However, if that is something they are setting up it might be nice to provide your command file that converts DECnet
node address to MAC addresses. I used that command file a lot when I was configuring my local DECnet nodes.
Thanks for everything,
Mark
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Glad to hear you figured it out. I’m downloaded the new TBQTCP.TAP to test on RDP2 which is a PiDP-11/70 running the original RSX. I can
run ftp ASCII and BINARY gets fine against the FTPD there fine now! Thanks for the fix.
Tomorrow I’ll download your new RSX disk image and install on RDP1 and run through the auto configure process to see if I run into anything on it.
Also, in addition to changing the DZ CSR and VEC in the original boot.ini that you told Marco about, U.S. users will want to add a
set clk 50HZ
to boot.ini to keep RSX time right. They could also change RSX with CON if they really wanted to be 60HZ.
Lastly, if they have an existing DECnet node address for the PiDP-11, then they likely have already set the MAC address in boot.ini for xu
However, if that is something they are setting up it might be nice to provide your command file that converts DECnet
node address to MAC addresses. I used that command file a lot when I was configuring my local DECnet nodes.
Thanks for everything,
Mark
Marco
Apr 19, 2023, 2:51:06 AM4/19/23
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It's good to hear the FTP issue has been resolved, nice work. It's funny every time when you find a bug and realise "this should never have worked in the first place, but it nevertheless did!"
My weird terminal issue however still persists. I tried to post about that yesterday two times, but the messages got eaten by google apparently, so this is my third (at last) attempt.
I spend most of yesterday booting and configuring the new image over and over again, trying to pinpoint the issue. In the end I just downloaded a fresh image (not the latest with the FTP fix I guess), had a boot.ini similar to that in the documentation, really clean sheet, answered all configuration questions with the defaults...still no good. I guess these new images just don't work for me. The only thing I can now think about is that my PiDP-11 (nothing fancy about that) is headless and I connect to it over ssh. But then again, the old RSX image works fine, and so do the other simh guest OS'es. I will probably stick with the old image for now, which works fine for me, and maybe give the new image a try later, when I have more time. I in fact spend a lot of that yesterday when I really had other things to do...
Nevertheless, thanks for the time and effort to all trying to come up with answers, it's much appreciated!
Nevertheless, thanks for the time and effort to all trying to come up with answers, it's much appreciated!
Cheers,
Marco
Op woensdag 19 april 2023 om 05:48:47 UTC+2 schreef ma...@matlockfamily.com:
Marco
Apr 19, 2023, 7:04:10 AM4/19/23
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I think I found the culprit, however not yet the solution. The 'screen' command with which the pidp11 daemon is started is the common denominator. Telnet sessions are ok, both to simh (for DZ terminal) and direct to the RSX Telnet server. For fun I manually started pidp11 without 'screen', and the issue is gone. But that's not the solution, I need the 'screen'. RSX is thus not the cause, PiDP-11 is, however there is apparently something "in" the new RSX which triggers this behaviour, while the old image (and all other simh guest OS'es) don't. I am now looking to see if I can get 'screen' to behave, maybe the number of available lines on the screen differ with what 'screen' expects, I don't really know...
Another thing I noticed with the new RSX: after "run $shutup" the dismount of DU0: times out, and will repeatedly when opting to wait further, until you choose to not wait and the shutdown process continues to the end:
DMO DU0:/DEV/LOCK=V
DMO -- System disk being dismounted
DMO -- SYSTEM dismounted from DU0: *** Final dismount initiated ***
>
Command (DMO) Timeout - Continue waiting? [Y/N]:
DMO -- System disk being dismounted
DMO -- SYSTEM dismounted from DU0: *** Final dismount initiated ***
>
Command (DMO) Timeout - Continue waiting? [Y/N]:
Am I (again?) the only one to see this?
Cheers,
Marco
Op woensdag 19 april 2023 om 08:51:06 UTC+2 schreef Marco:
Peter Long
Apr 19, 2023, 7:06:15 AM4/19/23
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Marco
I’m seeing the DMO timeout too with the new image
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Johnny Billquist
Apr 19, 2023, 7:33:49 AM4/19/23
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That timeout is probably because some program is keeping the device
busy. I'll locate and fix that.
As far as the screen problem - that's interesting, but a bit weird. I
wonder if it might be some eight bit thing. Let me think and check a few
more things.
Johnny
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busy. I'll locate and fix that.
As far as the screen problem - that's interesting, but a bit weird. I
wonder if it might be some eight bit thing. Let me think and check a few
more things.
Johnny
>> >>> > > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
>> >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
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>> >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
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Marco - for the terminal problem. Could you try
SET /NOEBC=TI:
and see if that makes a difference?
Johnny
> had a /boot.ini/ similar to that in the documentation, really clean
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SET /NOEBC=TI:
and see if that makes a difference?
Johnny
> >>> > > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>
> >>> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>
> >>> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>>>, aren't there quotes
> >>> missing?
> >>> > > >>> (DFL
> >>> > > >>> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>>> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> >>> missing?
> >>> > > >>> (DFL
> >>> > > >>> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> >>> > > >>> > >
> >>> > > >>> > > --
> >>> > > >>> > > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
> >>> > > >>> > > || on a psychedelic trip
> >>> > > >>> > > email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
> >>> > > >>> > > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
> >>> > > >>> > >
> >>> > > >>> > > --
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SET /NOEBC=TI:
Hurray, that works! :-)
Op woensdag 19 april 2023 om 13:38:12 UTC+2 schreef b...@softjar.se:
Johnny Billquist
Apr 19, 2023, 10:01:21 AM4/19/23
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Ok. That explains it. When you have EBC set, RSX is talking using 8 bit
characters. Things like EDT then is also using 8 bit control characters,
which I'm pretty sure screen don't understand. The VT100 emulation in
screen is less than perfect... :-)
Anyway. Happy the problem is solved. But be aware that you cannot do
anything that requires clean 8-bit through screen in this case.
Not sure if there is some way of convincing EDT to use the 7-bit escape
sequences, while leaving other things 8-bit clean.
By the way, you probably want to change LOGIN.CMD that is on the system
image, since I think I'm turning EBC on in there. ;-)
Johnny
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characters. Things like EDT then is also using 8 bit control characters,
which I'm pretty sure screen don't understand. The VT100 emulation in
screen is less than perfect... :-)
Anyway. Happy the problem is solved. But be aware that you cannot do
anything that requires clean 8-bit through screen in this case.
Not sure if there is some way of convincing EDT to use the 7-bit escape
sequences, while leaving other things 8-bit clean.
By the way, you probably want to change LOGIN.CMD that is on the system
image, since I think I'm turning EBC on in there. ;-)
Johnny
> > >>> > > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>
> > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>>
> > >>> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>
> > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>
> > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>>
> > >>> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>
> > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>>>>, aren't there quotes
> > >>> missing?
> > >>> > > >>> (DFL
> > >>> > > >>> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>>
> > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>>>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> > >>> missing?
> > >>> > > >>> (DFL
> > >>> > > >>> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>>
> > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> > >>> > > >>> > >
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> > >>> > > --
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> > >>> > > email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
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Marco
Apr 19, 2023, 10:59:14 AM4/19/23
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> By the way, you probably want to change LOGIN.CMD that is on the system
> image, since I think I'm turning EBC on in there. ;-)
> image, since I think I'm turning EBC on in there. ;-)
I found it in [1,2]SYSLOGIN.CMD actually,
commenting the EBC line out in there solves my issue completely. Should I
ever need 8bit control characters then I can of course always turn ECB
on again in that session.
Thanks for sorting this out.
Cheers,
Marco
Op woensdag 19 april 2023 om 16:01:21 UTC+2 schreef b...@softjar.se:
Johnny Billquist
Apr 19, 2023, 7:31:39 PM4/19/23
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Ok. New images uploaded.
New versions of TCP/IP tools installed.
/EBC removed from SYSLOGIN.CMD
SHUTUP.CMD fixed so that shutdowns proceed properly.
Johnny
On 2023-04-19 16:57, Marco wrote:
> > By the way, you probably want to change LOGIN.CMD that is on the system
> > image, since I think I'm turning EBC on in there. ;-)
>
> I found it in [1,2]SYSLOGIN.CMD actually, commenting the ECB line out in
> Marco
>
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New versions of TCP/IP tools installed.
/EBC removed from SYSLOGIN.CMD
SHUTUP.CMD fixed so that shutdowns proceed properly.
Johnny
On 2023-04-19 16:57, Marco wrote:
> > By the way, you probably want to change LOGIN.CMD that is on the system
> > image, since I think I'm turning EBC on in there. ;-)
>
> there solves my issue completely. Should I ever need 8bit control
> characters then I can of course always turn ECB on again in that session.
>
> Thanks for sorting this out.
>
> Cheers,
> characters then I can of course always turn ECB on again in that session.
>
> Thanks for sorting this out.
>
> Marco
>
> <http://1.2.3.0/24=SPOOF$EXCLUDE/GBL>>>>>>, aren't there quotes
> > > >>> missing?
> > > >>> > > >>> (DFL
> > > >>> > > >>> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>>>
> > > <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>>>> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>>
> > > <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>>>
> > > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>>>>> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> > > >>> missing?
> > > >>> > > >>> (DFL
> > > >>> > > >>> > "1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>>>
> > > <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> > <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>>>> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>>
> > > <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>>>
> > > >>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24> <http://1.2.3.0/24
> <http://1.2.3.0/24>> <http://1.2.3.0/24 <http://1.2.3.0/24>
> > > >>> > > >>> > >
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Awesome - thanks again for all your efforts - much appreciated
Peter
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Marco
Apr 20, 2023, 3:14:13 AM4/20/23
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Awesome! I'll give it a new try, let's see what we can find next ;-p
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Crni Mrki
Apr 25, 2023, 3:27:55 AM4/25/23
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Hello all.
What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it fail if I try with my HECNET node number 1.865.If I try with the simple node number as is 1.11 for example then is all ok.
PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current git commit id: 8e5368aa
Disabling XQ
./boot.ini-7> att rq0 pidp.dsk
%SIM-INFO: RQ0: 'pidp.dsk' Contains an ODS1 File system
%SIM-INFO: RQ0: Volume Name: RSX11MPBL87 Format: DECFILE11A Sectors In Volume: 2000896
./boot.ini-10> att dz 42,speed=*32
%SIM-INFO: Listening on port 42
./boot.ini-14> att xu ens160
%SIM-INFO: Eth: opened OS device ens160
sim> b rq
RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 BL87 1920.KW System:"PIDP "
>RED DU:=SY:
>RED DU:=LB:
>RED DU:=SP:
>MOU DU0:"RSX11MPBL87"
>@DU:[1,2]STARTUP
>;
>; W E L C O M E
>;
>; It seems you have not booted this disk before.
>;
>; This is the time to do some initial setup of this system to
>; properly match your requirements and environment.
>;
>; Main among these are the setup of DECnet networking and TCP/IP
>; networking configurations.
>;
>; If you in fact do not want to start DECnet or TCP/IP by default,
>; you should edit LB:[1,2]STARTUP.CMD to that effect.
>;
>* Press enter to continue [S]:
>;
>; As the system is setup by default, it is assumed that you will
>; normally start these networking protocols.
>;
>; However, note that you have the option in here to tell if the DECnet
>; should actually start the networking protocol, or just the communication
>; executive.
>; TCP/IP will use the DECnet communication executive, if it exists.
>; This is much more performant than the raw XE: ethernet driver, which
>; is another option.
>; But to use the communication executive, DECnet has to be started.
>;
>; Read the TCP/IP manual if you want more information on this topic.
>;
>* Press enter to continue [S]:
>;
>; It seems you have never configured DECnet
>;
>* Do you want the DECnet protocol enabled? [Y/N]: y
>* What is the node number [S]: 1.865
AT.T0 -- Syntax error
.SETN N2 'N1'
.SETN N2 865
>
Here is my conf file:
set cpu 11/70
set cpu 4096
set cpu 4096
set cpu idle
set rq0 rauser=1024
set tq0 write
att -f tq0 e11 pidp.tap
att rq0 pidp.dsk
set clk 50
set dz lines=8
att dz 42,speed=*32
set xu ena
set xu type=delua
set xu mac=AA:00:04:00:61:07
att xu ens160
set xu throttle
set rq0 rauser=1024
set tq0 write
att -f tq0 e11 pidp.tap
att rq0 pidp.dsk
set clk 50
set dz lines=8
att dz 42,speed=*32
set xu ena
set xu type=delua
set xu mac=AA:00:04:00:61:07
att xu ens160
set xu throttle
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Crni Mrki
Apr 25, 2023, 3:35:48 AM4/25/23
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It is some with the octal representation, when I try addresses with numbers only 0-7 all works.
Johnny Billquist
Apr 25, 2023, 3:36:25 AM4/25/23
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Ouch! I think I did a small error. Looks like it's trying to parse the
number in octal.
Give me a few minutes, and I'll have it fixed.
Johnny
On 2023-04-25 09:27, Crni Mrki wrote:
> Hello all.
> What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it fail if I
> try with my HECNET node number 1.865.
> If I try with the simple node number as is 1.11 for example then is allok.
>
> PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current git commit id: 8e5368aa
> Disabling XQ
> ./boot.ini-7> att rq0 pidp.dsk
> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: 'pidp.dsk' Contains an ODS1 File system
> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: Volume Name: RSX11MPBL87 Format: DECFILE11A Sectors
> In Volume: 2000896
> ./boot.ini-10> att dz 42,speed=*32
> %SIM-INFO: Listening on port 42
> ./boot.ini-14> att xu ens160
> %SIM-INFO: Eth: opened OS device ens160
> sim> b rq
>
>
>
> RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 BL87 1920.KW <http://1920.KW> System:"PIDP "
> pl...@insys.com.au <mailto:pl...@insys.com.au>:
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number in octal.
Give me a few minutes, and I'll have it fixed.
Johnny
On 2023-04-25 09:27, Crni Mrki wrote:
> Hello all.
> What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it fail if I
> try with my HECNET node number 1.865.
> If I try with the simple node number as is 1.11 for example then is allok.
>
> PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current git commit id: 8e5368aa
> Disabling XQ
> ./boot.ini-7> att rq0 pidp.dsk
> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: 'pidp.dsk' Contains an ODS1 File system
> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: Volume Name: RSX11MPBL87 Format: DECFILE11A Sectors
> In Volume: 2000896
> ./boot.ini-10> att dz 42,speed=*32
> %SIM-INFO: Listening on port 42
> ./boot.ini-14> att xu ens160
> %SIM-INFO: Eth: opened OS device ens160
> sim> b rq
>
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Apr 25, 2023, 3:40:50 AM4/25/23
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You'll need to enter the number in octal - 865 decimal is 1541 octal.
See http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RSX/AA-FD05A-TC%20RSX-11M%20&%20M-PLUS%20Indirect%20Command%20Processor%20Manual.pdf for more information on .SETN
Peter
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From: Crni Mrki <crni...@gmail.com>
To: Marco <crou...@gmail.com>
Cc: PiDP-11 <pid...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, 25/04/2023 5:28 PM
Hello all.What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it fail if I try with my HECNET node number 1.865.
If I try with the simple node number as is 1.11 for example then is all ok.
PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current git commit id: 8e5368aa
Disabling XQ
./boot.ini-7> att rq0 pidp.dsk
%SIM-INFO: RQ0: 'pidp.dsk' Contains an ODS1 File system
%SIM-INFO: RQ0: Volume Name: RSX11MPBL87 Format: DECFILE11A Sectors In Volume: 2000896
./boot.ini-10> att dz 42,speed=*32
%SIM-INFO: Listening on port 42
./boot.ini-14> att xu ens160
%SIM-INFO: Eth: opened OS device ens160
sim> b rq
RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 BL87 1920.KW System:"PIDP "
On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 9:14 AM Marco <crou...@gmail.com> wrote:
Awesome! I'll give it a new try, let's see what we can find next ;-p
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Crni Mrki
Apr 25, 2023, 3:43:41 AM4/25/23
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DECNET does not take this format:
>* What is the node number [S]: 1.1541
>; The address "1.1541" is not a valid DECnet node number.
>; DECnet node numbers are in the form <area>.<number>
>; where area is between 1 and 63, and number is between
>; 1 and 1023.
>* What is the node number [S]: 1.1541
>; The address "1.1541" is not a valid DECnet node number.
>; DECnet node numbers are in the form <area>.<number>
>; where area is between 1 and 63, and number is between
>; 1 and 1023.
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Johnny Billquist
Apr 25, 2023, 3:48:41 AM4/25/23
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While technically true, the proper thing is to fix my configuration
script so that it does things in decimal. People shouldn't have to work
out such weirdness. :-)
And besides, DECnet node numbers are supposed to be decimal, so it would
be very bad for the configuration tool to not do it that way.
New corrected images are now available. Also did some other updates
while I was at it.
Johnny
On 2023-04-25 09:40, 'Peter Long' via [PiDP-11] wrote:
> You'll need to enter the number in octal - 865 decimal is 1541 octal.
>
> See http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RSX/AA-FD05A-TC%20RSX-11M%20&%20M-PLUS%20Indirect%20Command%20Processor%20Manual.pdf for more information on .SETN
>
> Peter
>> --- Original message ---
>> *Subject:* Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
>> *From:* Crni Mrki <crni...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* Marco <crou...@gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* PiDP-11 <pid...@googlegroups.com>
>> *Date:* Tuesday, 25/04/2023 5:28 PM
>> pl...@insys.com.au <mailto:pl...@insys.com.au>:
>> send an email to pidp-11+u...@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:pidp-11+u...@googlegroups.com>.
>> <mailto:pidp-11+u...@googlegroups.com>.
> <mailto:pidp-11+u...@googlegroups.com>.
script so that it does things in decimal. People shouldn't have to work
out such weirdness. :-)
And besides, DECnet node numbers are supposed to be decimal, so it would
be very bad for the configuration tool to not do it that way.
New corrected images are now available. Also did some other updates
while I was at it.
Johnny
On 2023-04-25 09:40, 'Peter Long' via [PiDP-11] wrote:
> You'll need to enter the number in octal - 865 decimal is 1541 octal.
>
> See http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RSX/AA-FD05A-TC%20RSX-11M%20&%20M-PLUS%20Indirect%20Command%20Processor%20Manual.pdf for more information on .SETN
>
> Peter
>> --- Original message ---
>> *From:* Crni Mrki <crni...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* Marco <crou...@gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* PiDP-11 <pid...@googlegroups.com>
>> *Date:* Tuesday, 25/04/2023 5:28 PM
>>
>> Hello all.
>> What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it fail if I
>> try with my HECNET node number 1.865.
>> If I try with the simple node number as is 1.11 for example then is
>> all ok.
>>
>> PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current git commit id: 8e5368aa
>> Disabling XQ
>> ./boot.ini-7> att rq0 pidp.dsk
>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: 'pidp.dsk' Contains an ODS1 File system
>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: Volume Name: RSX11MPBL87 Format: DECFILE11A Sectors
>> In Volume: 2000896
>> ./boot.ini-10> att dz 42,speed=*32
>> %SIM-INFO: Listening on port 42
>> ./boot.ini-14> att xu ens160
>> %SIM-INFO: Eth: opened OS device ens160
>> sim> b rq
>>
>>
>>
>> RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 BL87 1920.KW <http://1920.KW> System:"PIDP "
>> Hello all.
>> What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it fail if I
>> try with my HECNET node number 1.865.
>> If I try with the simple node number as is 1.11 for example then is
>> all ok.
>>
>> PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current git commit id: 8e5368aa
>> Disabling XQ
>> ./boot.ini-7> att rq0 pidp.dsk
>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: 'pidp.dsk' Contains an ODS1 File system
>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: Volume Name: RSX11MPBL87 Format: DECFILE11A Sectors
>> In Volume: 2000896
>> ./boot.ini-10> att dz 42,speed=*32
>> %SIM-INFO: Listening on port 42
>> ./boot.ini-14> att xu ens160
>> %SIM-INFO: Eth: opened OS device ens160
>> sim> b rq
>>
>>
>>
>> <mailto:pidp-11+u...@googlegroups.com>.
>> To view this discussion on the web visit
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/112e269a-1f46-4f0b-9588-ee0212f64a20n%40googlegroups.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/112e269a-1f46-4f0b-9588-ee0212f64a20n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>.
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Johnny Billquist
Apr 25, 2023, 3:51:54 AM4/25/23
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Oh! You made me realize that the problem of octal was also drifting into
the validation of the node numbers. D'oh! Fixing that too...
Johnny
On 2023-04-25 09:43, Crni Mrki wrote:
> DECNET does not take this format:
>>* What is the node number [S]: 1.1541
>>; The address "1.1541" is not a valid DECnet node number.
>>; DECnet node numbers are in the form <area>.<number>
>>; where area is between 1 and 63, and number is between
>>; 1 and 1023.
>
> On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 9:40 AM 'Peter Long' via [PiDP-11]
> <pid...@googlegroups.com <mailto:pid...@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>
> You'll need to enter the number in octal - 865 decimal is 1541 octal.
>
> See
> http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RSX/AA-FD05A-TC%20RSX-11M%20&%20M-PLUS%20Indirect%20Command%20Processor%20Manual.pdf <http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RSX/AA-FD05A-TC%20RSX-11M%20&%20M-PLUS%20Indirect%20Command%20Processor%20Manual.pdf> for more information on .SETN
>> *To:* Marco <crou...@gmail.com <mailto:crou...@gmail.com>>
>> *Cc:* PiDP-11 <pid...@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:pid...@googlegroups.com>>
>> *Date:* Tuesday, 25/04/2023 5:28 PM
>> pl...@insys.com.au <mailto:pl...@insys.com.au>:
>> <mailto:pidp-11+u...@googlegroups.com>.
the validation of the node numbers. D'oh! Fixing that too...
Johnny
On 2023-04-25 09:43, Crni Mrki wrote:
> DECNET does not take this format:
>>* What is the node number [S]: 1.1541
>>; The address "1.1541" is not a valid DECnet node number.
>>; DECnet node numbers are in the form <area>.<number>
>>; where area is between 1 and 63, and number is between
>>; 1 and 1023.
>
> On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 9:40 AM 'Peter Long' via [PiDP-11]
> <pid...@googlegroups.com <mailto:pid...@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>
> You'll need to enter the number in octal - 865 decimal is 1541 octal.
>
> See
>
> Peter
>> --- Original message ---
> Peter
>> --- Original message ---
>> *Subject:* Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
>> *From:* Crni Mrki <crni...@gmail.com <mailto:crni...@gmail.com>>
>> *To:* Marco <crou...@gmail.com <mailto:crou...@gmail.com>>
>> *Cc:* PiDP-11 <pid...@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:pid...@googlegroups.com>>
>> *Date:* Tuesday, 25/04/2023 5:28 PM
>>
>> Hello all.
>> What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it fail
>> if I try with my HECNET node number 1.865.
>> If I try with the simple node number as is 1.11 for example then
>> is all ok.
>>
>> PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current git commit id: 8e5368aa
>> Disabling XQ
>> ./boot.ini-7> att rq0 pidp.dsk
>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: 'pidp.dsk' Contains an ODS1 File system
>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: Volume Name: RSX11MPBL87 Format: DECFILE11A
>> Sectors In Volume: 2000896
>> ./boot.ini-10> att dz 42,speed=*32
>> %SIM-INFO: Listening on port 42
>> ./boot.ini-14> att xu ens160
>> %SIM-INFO: Eth: opened OS device ens160
>> sim> b rq
>>
>>
>>
>> RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 BL87 1920.KW <http://1920.KW> System:"PIDP "
>> Hello all.
>> What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it fail
>> if I try with my HECNET node number 1.865.
>> If I try with the simple node number as is 1.11 for example then
>> is all ok.
>>
>> PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current git commit id: 8e5368aa
>> Disabling XQ
>> ./boot.ini-7> att rq0 pidp.dsk
>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: 'pidp.dsk' Contains an ODS1 File system
>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: Volume Name: RSX11MPBL87 Format: DECFILE11A
>> Sectors In Volume: 2000896
>> ./boot.ini-10> att dz 42,speed=*32
>> %SIM-INFO: Listening on port 42
>> ./boot.ini-14> att xu ens160
>> %SIM-INFO: Eth: opened OS device ens160
>> sim> b rq
>>
>>
>>
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Johnny Billquist
Apr 25, 2023, 3:55:27 AM4/25/23
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Images fixed and uploaded.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Johnny
>>> Op donderdag 20 april 2023om 02:51:32 UTC+2 schreef
>>> To view this discussion onthe web visit
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Johnny
Crni Mrki
Apr 25, 2023, 3:56:14 AM4/25/23
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Hmmmm, it is some different but does not work again:
>* Do you want the DECnet protocol enabled? [Y/N]: y
>* What is the node number [S]: 1.865
>* What is the node number [S]: 1.865
>; The address "1.865" is not a valid DECnet node number.
>; DECnet node numbers are in the form <area>.<number>
>; where area is between 1 and 63, and number is between
>; 1 and 1023.
>;
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Johnny Billquist
Apr 25, 2023, 3:59:03 AM4/25/23
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Yeah. Like I said - validation also had an octal error... Fixed now. Sorry.
Johnny
On 2023-04-25 09:55, Crni Mrki wrote:
> Hmmmm, it is some different but does not work again:
>>* Do you want the DECnet protocol enabled? [Y/N]: y
>>* What is the node number [S]: 1.865
>>; The address "1.865" is not a valid DECnet node number.
>>; DECnet node numbers are in the form <area>.<number>
>>; where area is between 1 and 63, and number is between
>>; 1 and 1023.
>>;
>
> On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 9:48 AM Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se
> <mailto:b...@softjar.se>> wrote:
>
> While technically true, the proper thing is to fix my configuration
> script so that it does things in decimal. People shouldn't have to work
> out such weirdness. :-)
> And besides, DECnet node numbers are supposed to be decimal, so it
> would
> be very bad for the configuration tool to not do it that way.
>
> New corrected images are now available. Also did some other updates
> while I was at it.
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2023-04-25 09:40, 'Peter Long' via [PiDP-11] wrote:
> > You'll need to enter the number in octal - 865 decimal is 1541
> octal.
> >
> > See
> http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RSX/AA-FD05A-TC%20RSX-11M%20&%20M-PLUS%20Indirect%20Command%20Processor%20Manual.pdf <http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RSX/AA-FD05A-TC%20RSX-11M%20&%20M-PLUS%20Indirect%20Command%20Processor%20Manual.pdf> for more information on .SETN
> >> *To:* Marco <crou...@gmail.com <mailto:crou...@gmail.com>>
> >> *Cc:* PiDP-11 <pid...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:pid...@googlegroups.com>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Awesome - thanks again for allyour efforts - much
> >> b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se>:
> >> >> b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se>:
> >> >> > > looking to see if I canget 'screen' to behave, maybe
> >> >> > > But then again, the oldRSX image works fine, and
> >> >> change RSX
> >> >> > > with CON if they reallywanted to be 60HZ.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Lastly, if they have anexisting DECnet node address
> transferring in
> >> >> RSX
> >> >> > > mode, or for some otherspecial cases, since RMS
> schreef
> >> >> > > b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se>:
> <mailto:anton.la...@gmail.com>:
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in SET/INQUIRE to parse responses
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in DEVcommand /FILE option, which
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in BRU- Handle large number of zero
> >> >> length files
> >> >> > > >>> (DC)
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Added supportfor /DENS=LOW on RX33 for FMT
> >> >> aligned
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in NFT- Display and handle
> >> >> > > >>> > > strings if typeis unknown.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Added /NUM toDEV command to not
> >> >> > > >>> > > NFT/FAL can runwithout packet loss in
> >> >> > > >>> > <b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se>>
> wrote:
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>> > > >> For everyone- I've updated the
> >> >> > > >>> > b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se>:
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> Sorry, yes.When a character like a slash
> >> >> > > >>> > b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se>:
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > So if youwant block mode (which will
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > the IP onthe RSX side shouldn't have
> >> <mailto:pidp-11+u...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:pidp-11%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>>.
> >> <mailto:pidp-11+u...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:pidp-11%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>>.
> > <mailto:pidp-11+u...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:pidp-11%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>>.
Johnny
On 2023-04-25 09:55, Crni Mrki wrote:
> Hmmmm, it is some different but does not work again:
>>* Do you want the DECnet protocol enabled? [Y/N]: y
>>* What is the node number [S]: 1.865
>>; The address "1.865" is not a valid DECnet node number.
>>; DECnet node numbers are in the form <area>.<number>
>>; where area is between 1 and 63, and number is between
>>; 1 and 1023.
>>;
>
> On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 9:48 AM Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se
> <mailto:b...@softjar.se>> wrote:
>
> While technically true, the proper thing is to fix my configuration
> script so that it does things in decimal. People shouldn't have to work
> out such weirdness. :-)
> And besides, DECnet node numbers are supposed to be decimal, so it
> would
> be very bad for the configuration tool to not do it that way.
>
> New corrected images are now available. Also did some other updates
> while I was at it.
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2023-04-25 09:40, 'Peter Long' via [PiDP-11] wrote:
> > You'll need to enter the number in octal - 865 decimal is 1541
> octal.
> >
> > See
> >
> > Peter
> >> --- Original message ---
> >> *Subject:* Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
> >> *From:* Crni Mrki <crni...@gmail.com <mailto:crni...@gmail.com>>
> > Peter
> >> --- Original message ---
> >> *Subject:* Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
> >> *To:* Marco <crou...@gmail.com <mailto:crou...@gmail.com>>
> >> *Cc:* PiDP-11 <pid...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:pid...@googlegroups.com>>
> >> *Date:* Tuesday, 25/04/2023 5:28 PM
> >>
> >> Hello all.
> >> What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it fail
> if I
> >> try with my HECNET node number 1.865.
> >> If I try with the simple node number as is 1.11 for example then is
> >> all ok.
> >>
> >> PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current git commit id: 8e5368aa
> >> Disabling XQ
> >> ./boot.ini-7> att rq0 pidp.dsk
> >> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: 'pidp.dsk' Contains an ODS1 File system
> >> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: Volume Name: RSX11MPBL87 Format: DECFILE11A
> Sectors
> >> In Volume: 2000896
> >> ./boot.ini-10> att dz 42,speed=*32
> >> %SIM-INFO: Listening on port 42
> >> ./boot.ini-14> att xu ens160
> >> %SIM-INFO: Eth: opened OS device ens160
> >> sim> b rq
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 BL87 1920.KW <http://1920.KW> <http://1920.KW
> >>
> >> Hello all.
> >> What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it fail
> if I
> >> try with my HECNET node number 1.865.
> >> If I try with the simple node number as is 1.11 for example then is
> >> all ok.
> >>
> >> PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current git commit id: 8e5368aa
> >> Disabling XQ
> >> ./boot.ini-7> att rq0 pidp.dsk
> >> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: 'pidp.dsk' Contains an ODS1 File system
> >> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: Volume Name: RSX11MPBL87 Format: DECFILE11A
> Sectors
> >> In Volume: 2000896
> >> ./boot.ini-10> att dz 42,speed=*32
> >> %SIM-INFO: Listening on port 42
> >> ./boot.ini-14> att xu ens160
> >> %SIM-INFO: Eth: opened OS device ens160
> >> sim> b rq
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> <mailto:crou...@gmail.com <mailto:crou...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Awesome! I'll give it a new try, let's see what we can find
> next ;-p
> >>
> >>
> >> Op donderdag 20 april 2023 om 02:51:32 UTC+2schreef
> >> pl...@insys.com.au <mailto:pl...@insys.com.au>
> <mailto:pl...@insys.com.au <mailto:pl...@insys.com.au>>:
> >>
> >> Awesome! I'll give it a new try, let's see what we can find
> next ;-p
> >>
> >>
> >> Op donderdag 20 april 2023 om 02:51:32 UTC+2schreef
> >> pl...@insys.com.au <mailto:pl...@insys.com.au>
> >>
> >>
> >> Awesome - thanks again for allyour efforts - much
> >> >> Ok. That explains it. When you have EBC set, RSX is
> talking
> >> >> using 8 bit
> >> >> characters. Things like EDTthen is also using 8 bit
> talking
> >> >> using 8 bit
> control
> >> >> characters,
> >> >> which I'm pretty sure screen don't understand. The VT100
> >> >> emulation in
> >> >> screen is less than perfect... :-)
> >> >> Anyway. Happy the problem is solved. But be aware
> that you
> >> >> cannot do
> >> >> anything that requires clean 8-bit through screen in this
> >> >> case.
> >> >> Not sure if there is some way of convincing EDT to
> use the
> >> >> 7-bit escape
> >> >> sequences, while leaving other things 8-bit clean.
> >> >> By the way, you probably want to change LOGIN.CMD
> that is on
> >> >> the system
> >> >> image, since I think I'm turning EBC on in there. ;-)
> >> >> Johnny
> >> >> On 2023-04-19 13:51, Marco wrote:
> >> >> > SET /NOEBC=TI:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hurray, that works! :-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Op woensdag 19 april 2023om 13:38:12 UTC+2 schreef
> >> >> characters,
> >> >> which I'm pretty sure screen don't understand. The VT100
> >> >> emulation in
> >> >> screen is less than perfect... :-)
> >> >> Anyway. Happy the problem is solved. But be aware
> that you
> >> >> cannot do
> >> >> anything that requires clean 8-bit through screen in this
> >> >> case.
> >> >> Not sure if there is some way of convincing EDT to
> use the
> >> >> 7-bit escape
> >> >> sequences, while leaving other things 8-bit clean.
> >> >> By the way, you probably want to change LOGIN.CMD
> that is on
> >> >> the system
> >> >> image, since I think I'm turning EBC on in there. ;-)
> >> >> Johnny
> >> >> On 2023-04-19 13:51, Marco wrote:
> >> >> > SET /NOEBC=TI:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hurray, that works! :-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se>:
> >> >> the
> >> >> number of
> >> >> > > available lines on the screen differ with what
> 'screen'
> >> >> expects,
> >> >> > I don't
> >> >> > > really know...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Another thing I noticedwith the new RSX: after "run
> >> >> number of
> >> >> > > available lines on the screen differ with what
> 'screen'
> >> >> expects,
> >> >> > I don't
> >> >> > > really know...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> $shutup" the
> >> >> > > dismount of DU0: times out, and will repeatedly when
> >> >> opting to
> >> >> wait
> >> >> > > further, until you choose to not wait and the
> shutdown
> >> >> process
> >> >> > continues
> >> >> > > to the end:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > DMO DU0:/DEV/LOCK=V
> >> >> > > DMO -- System disk being dismounted
> >> >> > > DMO -- SYSTEM dismounted from DU0: *** Final
> >> >> dismount
> >> >> > initiated ***
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > > Command (DMO) Timeout -Continue waiting? [Y/N]:
> >> >> > > dismount of DU0: times out, and will repeatedly when
> >> >> opting to
> >> >> wait
> >> >> > > further, until you choose to not wait and the
> shutdown
> >> >> process
> >> >> > continues
> >> >> > > to the end:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > DMO DU0:/DEV/LOCK=V
> >> >> > > DMO -- System disk being dismounted
> >> >> > > DMO -- SYSTEM dismounted from DU0: *** Final
> >> >> dismount
> >> >> > initiated ***
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Am I (again?) the only one to see this?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Cheers,
> >> >> > > Marco
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Op woensdag 19 april 2023 om 08:51:06 UTC+2 schreef
> >> >> Marco:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > It's good to hear the FTP issue has been
> resolved, nice
> >> >> work. It's
> >> >> > > funny every time when you find a bug and realise
> "this
> >> >> should
> >> >> never
> >> >> > > have worked in the first place, but it nevertheless
> >> >> did!"
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > My weird terminal issuehowever still persists. I
> >> >> > > Am I (again?) the only one to see this?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Cheers,
> >> >> > > Marco
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Op woensdag 19 april 2023 om 08:51:06 UTC+2 schreef
> >> >> Marco:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > It's good to hear the FTP issue has been
> resolved, nice
> >> >> work. It's
> >> >> > > funny every time when you find a bug and realise
> "this
> >> >> should
> >> >> never
> >> >> > > have worked in the first place, but it nevertheless
> >> >> did!"
> >> >> > >
> so do
> >> >> the other
> >> >> > > simh guest OS'es. I will probably stick with the old
> >> >> image for
> >> >> now,
> >> >> > > which works fine for me, and maybe give the new
> image a
> >> >> try later,
> >> >> > > when I have more time. I in fact spend a lot of that
> >> >> yesterday
> >> >> when
> >> >> > > I really had other things to do...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Nevertheless, thanks for the time and effort to all
> >> >> trying to come
> >> >> > > up with answers, it's much appreciated!
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Cheers,
> >> >> > > Marco
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Op woensdag 19 april 2023 om 05:48:47 UTC+2 schreef
> >> >> > > ma...@matlockfamily.com
> <mailto:ma...@matlockfamily.com>:
> >> >> the other
> >> >> > > simh guest OS'es. I will probably stick with the old
> >> >> image for
> >> >> now,
> >> >> > > which works fine for me, and maybe give the new
> image a
> >> >> try later,
> >> >> > > when I have more time. I in fact spend a lot of that
> >> >> yesterday
> >> >> when
> >> >> > > I really had other things to do...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Nevertheless, thanks for the time and effort to all
> >> >> trying to come
> >> >> > > up with answers, it's much appreciated!
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Cheers,
> >> >> > > Marco
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Op woensdag 19 april 2023 om 05:48:47 UTC+2 schreef
> >> >> > > ma...@matlockfamily.com
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Johnny,
> >> >> > > Glad to hear you figured it out. I’m downloadedthe
> >> >> new
> >> >> > > TBQTCP.TAP to test on RDP2 which is a PiDP-11/70
> >> >> running the
> >> >> > > original RSX. I can
> >> >> > > run ftp ASCII and BINARY gets fine against the FTPD
> >> >> there fine
> >> >> > > now! Thanks for the fix.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Tomorrow I’ll download your new RSX disk image and
> >> >> install on
> >> >> > > RDP1 and run through the auto configure process
> to see
> >> >> if I run
> >> >> > > into anything on it.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Also, in addition to changing the DZ CSR and VEC
> in the
> >> >> original
> >> >> > > boot.ini that you told Marco about, U.S. users will
> >> >> want to add a
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > set clk 50HZ
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > to boot.ini to keep RSXtime right. They could also
> >> >> > > Johnny,
> >> >> > > Glad to hear you figured it out. I’m downloadedthe
> >> >> new
> >> >> > > TBQTCP.TAP to test on RDP2 which is a PiDP-11/70
> >> >> running the
> >> >> > > original RSX. I can
> >> >> > > run ftp ASCII and BINARY gets fine against the FTPD
> >> >> there fine
> >> >> > > now! Thanks for the fix.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Tomorrow I’ll download your new RSX disk image and
> >> >> install on
> >> >> > > RDP1 and run through the auto configure process
> to see
> >> >> if I run
> >> >> > > into anything on it.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Also, in addition to changing the DZ CSR and VEC
> in the
> >> >> original
> >> >> > > boot.ini that you told Marco about, U.S. users will
> >> >> want to add a
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > set clk 50HZ
> >> >> > >
> >> >> change RSX
> >> >> > > with CON if they reallywanted to be 60HZ.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Lastly, if they have anexisting DECnet node address
> >> >> for the
> >> >> > > PiDP-11, then they likely have already set the MAC
> >> >> address in
> >> >> > > boot.ini for xu
> >> >> > > However, if that is something they are setting up it
> >> >> might be
> >> >> > > nice to provide your command file that converts
> DECnet
> >> >> > > node address to MAC addresses. I used that
> command file
> >> >> a lot
> >> >> > > when I was configuring my local DECnet nodes.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Thanks for everything,
> >> >> > > Mark
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > On Apr 18, 2023, at 10:12 PM, Johnny Billquist
> >> >> > > PiDP-11, then they likely have already set the MAC
> >> >> address in
> >> >> > > boot.ini for xu
> >> >> > > However, if that is something they are setting up it
> >> >> might be
> >> >> > > nice to provide your command file that converts
> DECnet
> >> >> > > node address to MAC addresses. I used that
> command file
> >> >> a lot
> >> >> > > when I was configuring my local DECnet nodes.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Thanks for everything,
> >> >> > > Mark
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > On Apr 18, 2023, at 10:12 PM, Johnny Billquist
> >> >> > > <b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se>> wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Jeez. That pool exhausted problem was trickier
> than I
> >> >> > > expected. But it shouldbe solved now. New images
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Jeez. That pool exhausted problem was trickier
> than I
> >> >> uploaded, and
> >> >> > > new cut of BQTCP also made in general.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > To make a long story short - I have no idea why it
> >> >> worked for
> >> >> > > some people, on some systems, in the past. It
> shouldn't
> >> >> really
> >> >> > > have worked at all, when using ASCII or BINARY mode.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > The reason was that FTPD had an outstanding
> read from
> >> >> the
> >> >> > > network all the time, in order to read any commands
> >> >> that came in
> >> >> > > which required immediate action (basically just the
> >> >> ABOR command).
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > The problem is that RMS requires some dynamic
> memory,
> >> >> and
> >> >> > > when allocating more dynamic memory, the task image
> >> >> might need
> >> >> > > to be extended, to holdmore virtual memory. However,
> >> >> > > new cut of BQTCP also made in general.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > To make a long story short - I have no idea why it
> >> >> worked for
> >> >> > > some people, on some systems, in the past. It
> shouldn't
> >> >> really
> >> >> > > have worked at all, when using ASCII or BINARY mode.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > The reason was that FTPD had an outstanding
> read from
> >> >> the
> >> >> > > network all the time, in order to read any commands
> >> >> that came in
> >> >> > > which required immediate action (basically just the
> >> >> ABOR command).
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > The problem is that RMS requires some dynamic
> memory,
> >> >> and
> >> >> > > when allocating more dynamic memory, the task image
> >> >> might need
> >> >> extending
> >> >> > > task memory is not allowed on a task where I/O is
> >> >> active, so
> >> >> > > memory allocation for RMS failed.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Now, this was usuallyno problem when
> >> >> > > task memory is not allowed on a task where I/O is
> >> >> active, so
> >> >> > > memory allocation for RMS failed.
> >> >> > > >
> transferring in
> >> >> RSX
> >> >> > > mode, or for some otherspecial cases, since RMS
> isn't
> >> >> really
> >> >> > > used much in that case.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > For other file transfers, it might have worked
> if you
> >> >> were
> >> >> > > lucky, and no additional memory expansion was needed.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > I've now changed the code to not issue an
> outstanding
> >> >> I/O
> >> >> > > request, but instead only do a read when FTPD gets
> >> >> notified that
> >> >> > > there is some data to be read.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Tested on my machine,and it seems to work
> >> >> really
> >> >> > > used much in that case.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > For other file transfers, it might have worked
> if you
> >> >> were
> >> >> > > lucky, and no additional memory expansion was needed.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > I've now changed the code to not issue an
> outstanding
> >> >> I/O
> >> >> > > request, but instead only do a read when FTPD gets
> >> >> notified that
> >> >> > > there is some data to be read.
> >> >> > > >
> there. As
> >> >> I said,
> >> >> > > new images have been created. Please test and report
> >> >> how it
> >> >> > > works for you guys...
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > I'm going to do some more work on documentation and
> >> >> updating
> >> >> > > automation next (I'll probably ping Mark Matlock
> about
> >> >> that,
> >> >> > > since he's been doing alot of it... If you have time
> >> >> I said,
> >> >> > > new images have been created. Please test and report
> >> >> how it
> >> >> > > works for you guys...
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > I'm going to do some more work on documentation and
> >> >> updating
> >> >> > > automation next (I'll probably ping Mark Matlock
> about
> >> >> that,
> >> >> and
> >> >> > > energy, Mark...)
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Johnny
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > On 2023-04-18 03:05, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> >> >> > > >> There is clearly something funny with the disk
> >> >> image. I
> >> >> > > appreciate all the testing. Keep reports coming.
> >> >> > > >> But at the moment, there is definitely something
> >> >> that needs
> >> >> > > to be fixed here, and Ihaven't figured out what yet.
> >> >> > > energy, Mark...)
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Johnny
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > On 2023-04-18 03:05, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> >> >> > > >> There is clearly something funny with the disk
> >> >> image. I
> >> >> > > appreciate all the testing. Keep reports coming.
> >> >> > > >> But at the moment, there is definitely something
> >> >> that needs
> >> >> > > >> The pool exhaustion is a mystery. It's not the
> >> >> system pool
> >> >> > > that is the problem, but it's an RMS issue
> internal to
> >> >> the ftp
> >> >> > > daemon. It might be related to the editing
> problem, but
> >> >> possibly
> >> >> > > not. I have not been able to recreate the editing
> >> >> problem, but
> >> >> > > the pool problem is visible for me as well.
> >> >> > > >> I'll let people knowwhen I have it sorted.
> >> >> system pool
> >> >> > > that is the problem, but it's an RMS issue
> internal to
> >> >> the ftp
> >> >> > > daemon. It might be related to the editing
> problem, but
> >> >> possibly
> >> >> > > not. I have not been able to recreate the editing
> >> >> problem, but
> >> >> > > the pool problem is visible for me as well.
> >> >> > > >> Johnny
> >> >> > > >> On 2023-04-18 00:19,Marco wrote:
> >> >> > > >>> I'm leaning towardsa terminal issue , but note
> >> >> > > >> On 2023-04-18 00:19,Marco wrote:
> >> >> that I
> >> >> > > don´t have the issue with the old image.
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> It appears I can actually get out of the "change
> >> >> freeze" by
> >> >> > > scrolling the mouse up in the terminal (Cool
> Retro Term
> >> >> over
> >> >> > > ssh), which results in control character junk on the
> >> >> screen but
> >> >> > > does allow me to Ctrl-Zand then 'exit'. This
> >> >> > > don´t have the issue with the old image.
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> It appears I can actually get out of the "change
> >> >> freeze" by
> >> >> > > scrolling the mouse up in the terminal (Cool
> Retro Term
> >> >> over
> >> >> > > ssh), which results in control character junk on the
> >> >> screen but
> actually
> >> >> writes
> >> >> > > some of the control character junk to the edited
> file,
> >> >> so it's
> >> >> > > not a permissions issue. But strange.
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Probably unrelated,when I ftp into that
> >> >> writes
> >> >> > > some of the control character junk to the edited
> file,
> >> >> so it's
> >> >> > > not a permissions issue. But strange.
> >> >> > > >>>
> folder and
> >> >> try to
> >> >> > > upload a file ("put"), I get a "pool exhausted"
> error.
> >> >> But I
> >> >> > > haven't really started troubleshooting that.
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Cheers,
> >> >> > > >>> Marco
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Op maandag 17 april2023 om 18:12:09 UTC+2
> >> >> try to
> >> >> > > upload a file ("put"), I get a "pool exhausted"
> error.
> >> >> But I
> >> >> > > haven't really started troubleshooting that.
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Cheers,
> >> >> > > >>> Marco
> >> >> > > >>>
> schreef
> >> >> Marco:
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> >dev ti:
> >> >> > > >>> TT11: [001001] [1,1] 17-APR-23 16:09 1 S. System
> >> >> > > >>> CLI = MCR Buf =80. Hfill = 0
> >> >> Marco:
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> >dev ti:
> >> >> > > >>> TT11: [001001] [1,1] 17-APR-23 16:09 1 S. System
> >> >> > > >>> Lines = 24. Term = VT100 Owner = none
> >> >> > > >>> NOPrinter_Port NOPasthru NOSerial
> >> >> > > >>> Lower Priv NOHold NOSlave ESC CRT NOForm NoRemote
> >> >> > > >>> Echo NOVfill HHT FDX Wrap NORPA EBC Typeahead
> >> >> > > >>> NOCtrlC AVO Ansi DEC NOEdit NORegis NOSoft
> NOBlkmod
> >> >> > > >>> Hsync BRO NOAbaud NOTTsync NOColor
> >> >> > > >>> NOLine_Edit NOInsert
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Op maandag 17 april2023 om 17:51:48 UTC+2
> >> >> > > >>> NOPrinter_Port NOPasthru NOSerial
> >> >> > > >>> Lower Priv NOHold NOSlave ESC CRT NOForm NoRemote
> >> >> > > >>> Echo NOVfill HHT FDX Wrap NORPA EBC Typeahead
> >> >> > > >>> NOCtrlC AVO Ansi DEC NOEdit NORegis NOSoft
> NOBlkmod
> >> >> > > >>> Hsync BRO NOAbaud NOTTsync NOColor
> >> >> > > >>> NOLine_Edit NOInsert
> >> >> > > >>>
> schreef
> >> >> > > b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se>:
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Marco, no clear idea what your problem could be.
> >> >> Could you
> >> >> > > show the
> >> >> > > >>> output from "DEV TI:" so we can see what terminal
> >> >> settings you
> >> >> > > >>> have?
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Johnny
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> On 2023-04-17 16:43, Marco wrote:
> >> >> > > >>> > Hi again,
> >> >> > > >>> >
> >> >> > > >>> > So, I had a look at Johnny's new image, and
> I've
> >> >> run into
> >> >> > > >>> some issues,
> >> >> > > >>> > which are most likely totally to blame on
> my lack
> >> >> of
> >> >> > > >>> understanding (of a
> >> >> > > >>> > lot of things). Here's what I did. It's a fresh
> >> >> install,
> >> >> > > >>> successfully
> >> >> > > >>> > ran through the configuration steps (and
> was wise
> >> >> enough to
> >> >> > > >>> make a copy
> >> >> > > >>> > of the disk imageat that point).
> >> >> > > >>> Marco, no clear idea what your problem could be.
> >> >> Could you
> >> >> > > show the
> >> >> > > >>> output from "DEV TI:" so we can see what terminal
> >> >> settings you
> >> >> > > >>> have?
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Johnny
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> On 2023-04-17 16:43, Marco wrote:
> >> >> > > >>> > Hi again,
> >> >> > > >>> >
> >> >> > > >>> > So, I had a look at Johnny's new image, and
> I've
> >> >> run into
> >> >> > > >>> some issues,
> >> >> > > >>> > which are most likely totally to blame on
> my lack
> >> >> of
> >> >> > > >>> understanding (of a
> >> >> > > >>> > lot of things). Here's what I did. It's a fresh
> >> >> install,
> >> >> > > >>> successfully
> >> >> > > >>> > ran through the configuration steps (and
> was wise
> >> >> enough to
> >> >> > > >>> make a copy
> >> >> > > >>> >
> >> >> > > >>> > I login as the System user, and created a new
> >> >> user, UIC
> >> >> > > 200,050,
> >> >> > > >>> > directory name DU0:[200050].
> >> >> > > >>> > I then login withthat account. Doing a dir is
> >> >> > > >>> > I login as the System user, and created a new
> >> >> user, UIC
> >> >> > > 200,050,
> >> >> > > >>> > directory name DU0:[200050].
> >> >> > > >>> >
> >> >> > > >>> > That looks impressive! Thanks, Johnny!
> >> >> > > >>> >
> >> >> > > >>> > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 4:44 PM Johnny
> >> >> Billquist
> >> >> > > >>> <b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se>>
> >> >> > > >>> > That looks impressive! Thanks, Johnny!
> >> >> > > >>> >
> >> >> > > >>> > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 4:44 PM Johnny
> >> >> Billquist
> >> >> > > >>> > wrote:
> >> >> > > >>> > >
> >> >> > > >>> > > Not a complete list, as this is for my (not
> >> >> released)
> >> >> > > V5 of
> >> >> > > >>> RSX. But
> >> >> > > >>> > > most of the things on this list is in there:
> >> >> > > >>> > >
> >> >> > > >>> > > ====
> >> >> > > >>> > > . DMA bug for DHU/DHV output (DC)
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Increased maxpacket length to 1500 for XE:
> >> >> > > >>> > >
> >> >> > > >>> > > Not a complete list, as this is for my (not
> >> >> released)
> >> >> > > V5 of
> >> >> > > >>> RSX. But
> >> >> > > >>> > > most of the things on this list is in there:
> >> >> > > >>> > >
> >> >> > > >>> > > ====
> >> >> > > >>> > > . DMA bug for DHU/DHV output (DC)
> >> >> could crash
> >> >> > > out in
> >> >> > > >>> > some cases.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Improvement. ACD INSTALL installs ACD
> without
> >> >> world
> >> >> > > write
> >> >> > > >>> access.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Improvement. Changed SUB and PRI default
> >> >> values.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . PRI - old: /JO
> >> >> > > >>> > > new: /RES/LOW/JO/NOTIFY
> >> >> > > >>> > > . SUB - old: /LOG/PRIN
> >> >> > > >>> > > new: /RES/LOG/NOTIFY
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Improved CFL.Increased heap size.
> >> >> > > out in
> >> >> > > >>> > some cases.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Improvement. ACD INSTALL installs ACD
> without
> >> >> world
> >> >> > > write
> >> >> > > >>> access.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Improvement. Changed SUB and PRI default
> >> >> values.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . PRI - old: /JO
> >> >> > > >>> > > new: /RES/LOW/JO/NOTIFY
> >> >> > > >>> > > . SUB - old: /LOG/PRIN
> >> >> > > >>> > > new: /RES/LOG/NOTIFY
> >> >> length files
> >> >> > > >>> (DC)
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Added supportfor /DENS=LOW on RX33 for FMT
> >> >> (DC)
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfixes and improvements for error logging
> >> >> analysis.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Added RA71,RA72,RA73
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Fixed RA9X bug
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Corrected time range bug
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Fixed drive serial number extraction
> for TU81
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in ACNT. Allow expiration dates
> after
> >> >> 1999.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in BYE. Allow programs to terminate
> >> >> gracefully
> >> >> > > when
> >> >> > > >>> > logging out.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Improvment. Allow session ID as alternative
> >> >> login name.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Improvment. Allow directory name as
> >> >> alternative login
> >> >> > > name.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Improvment. QMG notification changed format
> >> >> slightly.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Improvment toRMSDSP. Revisions is a
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfixes and improvements for error logging
> >> >> analysis.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Added RA71,RA72,RA73
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Fixed RA9X bug
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Corrected time range bug
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Fixed drive serial number extraction
> for TU81
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in ACNT. Allow expiration dates
> after
> >> >> 1999.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in BYE. Allow programs to terminate
> >> >> gracefully
> >> >> > > when
> >> >> > > >>> > logging out.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Improvment. Allow session ID as alternative
> >> >> login name.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Improvment. Allow directory name as
> >> >> alternative login
> >> >> > > name.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Improvment. QMG notification changed format
> >> >> slightly.
> decimal
> >> >> number.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in RMD. Task header with DECnet
> crash
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in BRU- Make directory lists column
> >> >> number.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in RMD. Task header with DECnet
> crash
> >> >> aligned
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in NFT- Display and handle
> Stream-LF
> >> >> and
> >> >> > > Stream-CR
> >> >> > > >>> > correctly.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in RMSDAP - Correct protection code
> >> >> propagation
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in RMSDAP - Correct date parsing for
> >> >> Y2K.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Added missingDAPSLX.ODL to distribution.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Improved $HPWcode to handle split I/D
> >> >> and
> >> >> > > Stream-CR
> >> >> > > >>> > correctly.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in RMSDAP - Correct protection code
> >> >> propagation
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in RMSDAP - Correct date parsing for
> >> >> Y2K.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Added missingDAPSLX.ODL to distribution.
> translate IP
> >> >> addresses
> >> >> > > >>> to names.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in NMVACP. SHOW KNOWN NODES
> processing
> >> >> could skip
> >> >> > > >>> some
> >> >> > > >>> > nodes.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Fix HELP EXECMRKT text.
> >> >> addresses
> >> >> > > >>> to names.
> >> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in NMVACP. SHOW KNOWN NODES
> processing
> >> >> could skip
> >> >> > > >>> some
> >> >> > > >>> > nodes.
> wrote:
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>> > > >> For everyone- I've updated the
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> >
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > Marco, I finally got to see the page.
> >> >> Very nice. And
> >> >> > > >>> I can
> >> >> > > >>> > offer
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > you
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > some help...
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> >
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > First of all, pictures hosted on RSX.
> >> >> Should not
> >> >> > > be a
> >> >> > > >>> problem.
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > I'm doing
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > plenty ofthat. Ideally, try to
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > Marco, I finally got to see the page.
> >> >> Very nice. And
> >> >> > > >>> I can
> >> >> > > >>> > offer
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > you
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > some help...
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> >
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > First of all, pictures hosted on RSX.
> >> >> Should not
> >> >> > > be a
> >> >> > > >>> problem.
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > I'm doing
> transfer
> >> >> the images
> >> >> > > >>> over using
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > block
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > mode on the RSX side. Or at least
> binary.
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> >
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > I haven'treally documented block mode
> >> >> the images
> >> >> > > >>> over using
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > block
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > mode on the RSX side. Or at least
> binary.
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> >
> >> >> properly, so
> >> >> > > >>> that other
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > people
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > can use it easily. But basically,
> on RSX,
> >> >> files
> >> >> > > can have
> >> >> > > >>> > lots of
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > differentattributes and formats. A
> >> >> > > >>> that other
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > people
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > can use it easily. But basically,
> on RSX,
> >> >> files
> >> >> > > can have
> >> >> > > >>> > lots of
> >> >> give you
> >> >> > > those 512
> >> >> > > >>> > byte fixed
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > record files), you should first
> tell ftp
> >> >> that you
> >> >> > > >>> want binary.
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > Then,
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > before you transfer, you give the ftp
> >> >> command "quote
> >> >> > > >>> block",
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > which sets
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > the RSX ftp server into block mode.
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> >
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > Another option is to use the ftp client
> >> >> on the RSX
> >> >> > > >>> side and
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > fetch the
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > files. Inwhich case, there is a
> >> >> > > those 512
> >> >> > > >>> > byte fixed
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > record files), you should first
> tell ftp
> >> >> that you
> >> >> > > >>> want binary.
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > Then,
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > before you transfer, you give the ftp
> >> >> command "quote
> >> >> > > >>> block",
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > which sets
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > the RSX ftp server into block mode.
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> >
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > Another option is to use the ftp client
> >> >> on the RSX
> >> >> > > >>> side and
> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > fetch the
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Johnny Billquist
Apr 25, 2023, 4:00:04 AM4/25/23
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(This is why all the beta testing is so valuable, by the way... ;-) )
Johnny
On 2023-04-25 09:58, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> Yeah. Like I said - validation also had an octal error... Fixed now. Sorry.
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2023-04-25 09:55, Crni Mrki wrote:
>> Hmmmm, it is some different but does not work again:
>>> * Do you want the DECnet protocol enabled? [Y/N]: y
>>> * What is the node number [S]: 1.865
>>> ; The address "1.865" is not a valid DECnet node number.
>>> ; DECnet node numbers are in the form <area>.<number>
>>> ; where area is between 1 and 63, and number is between
>>> ; 1 and 1023.
>>> ;
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 9:48 AM Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se
>> <mailto:b...@softjar.se>> wrote:
>>
>> While technically true, the proper thing is to fix my configuration
>> script so that it does things in decimal. People shouldn't have to
>> work
>> out such weirdness. :-)
>> And besides, DECnet node numbers are supposed to bedecimal, so it
>> would
>> be very bad for the configuration tool to not do itthat way.
>> >> >; But to use the communication executive,DECnet has to be
>> started.
>> >> >;
>> >> >; Read the TCP/IP manual if you want moreinformation on this
>> >> Awesome! I'll give it anew try, let's see what we can find
>> >> >> > > isapparently something"in" the new RSX which
>> >> >> > > tothe end:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Cheers,
>> >> >> > > Marco
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Opwoensdag 19 april 2023 om 08:51:06 UTC+2
>> >> >> > > upwith answers, it's much appreciated!
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Cheers,
>> >> >> > > Marco
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Opwoensdag 19 april 2023 om 05:48:47 UTC+2
>> >> >> > > toboot.ini to keep RSXtime right. They could also
>> >> >> > > tobe extended, to holdmore virtual memory.
>> >> >> > > tobe fixed here, and Ihaven't figured out what
>> >> >> > > tobe on
>> >> >> devicewhen this
>> >> >> telnetand LAT
>> >> >> normaltext file
>> >> >> solvedit. A
>> >> To view this discussionon the web visit
Johnny
On 2023-04-25 09:58, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> Yeah. Like I said - validation also had an octal error... Fixed now. Sorry.
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2023-04-25 09:55, Crni Mrki wrote:
>> Hmmmm, it is some different but does not work again:
>>> * Do you want the DECnet protocol enabled? [Y/N]: y
>>> * What is the node number [S]: 1.865
>>> ; The address "1.865" is not a valid DECnet node number.
>>> ; DECnet node numbers are in the form <area>.<number>
>>> ; where area is between 1 and 63, and number is between
>>> ; 1 and 1023.
>>> ;
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 9:48 AM Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se
>> <mailto:b...@softjar.se>> wrote:
>>
>> While technically true, the proper thing is to fix my configuration
>> script so that it does things in decimal. People shouldn't have to
>> work
>> out such weirdness. :-)
>> would
>> be very bad for the configuration tool to not do itthat way.
>>
>> New corrected images are now available. Also did some other updates
>> while I was at it.
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>> On 2023-04-25 09:40, 'Peter Long' via [PiDP-11] wrote:
>> > You'll need to enter the number in octal - 865 decimal is 1541
>> octal.
>> >
>> > See
>>
>> http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RSX/AA-FD05A-TC%20RSX-11M%20&%20M-PLUS%20Indirect%20Command%20Processor%20Manual.pdf <http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RSX/AA-FD05A-TC%20RSX-11M%20&%20M-PLUS%20Indirect%20Command%20Processor%20Manual.pdf> for more information on .SETN
>> >
>> > Peter
>> >> --- Original message ---
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
>> >> *From:* Crni Mrki <crni...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:crni...@gmail.com>>
>> >> *To:* Marco <crou...@gmail.com <mailto:crou...@gmail.com>>
>> >> *Cc:* PiDP-11 <pid...@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:pid...@googlegroups.com>>
>> >> *Date:* Tuesday, 25/04/2023 5:28 PM
>> >>
>> >> Hello all.
>> >> What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it fail
>> if I
>> >> try with my HECNET node number 1.865.
>> >> If I try with the simple node number as is1.11 for example
>> New corrected images are now available. Also did some other updates
>> while I was at it.
>>
>> Johnny
>>
>> On 2023-04-25 09:40, 'Peter Long' via [PiDP-11] wrote:
>> > You'll need to enter the number in octal - 865 decimal is 1541
>> octal.
>> >
>> > See
>>
>> http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RSX/AA-FD05A-TC%20RSX-11M%20&%20M-PLUS%20Indirect%20Command%20Processor%20Manual.pdf <http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RSX/AA-FD05A-TC%20RSX-11M%20&%20M-PLUS%20Indirect%20Command%20Processor%20Manual.pdf> for more information on .SETN
>> >
>> > Peter
>> >> --- Original message ---
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
>> >> *From:* Crni Mrki <crni...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:crni...@gmail.com>>
>> >> *To:* Marco <crou...@gmail.com <mailto:crou...@gmail.com>>
>> >> *Cc:* PiDP-11 <pid...@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:pid...@googlegroups.com>>
>> >> *Date:* Tuesday, 25/04/2023 5:28 PM
>> >>
>> >> Hello all.
>> >> What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it fail
>> if I
>> >> try with my HECNET node number 1.865.
>> started.
>> >> >;
>> >> >; Read the TCP/IP manual if you want moreinformation on this
>> next ;-p
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Op donderdag 20 april 2023 om 02:51:32 UTC+2schreef
>> >> pl...@insys.com.au <mailto:pl...@insys.com.au>
>> <mailto:pl...@insys.com.au <mailto:pl...@insys.com.au>>:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Awesome -thanks again for allyour efforts - much
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Op donderdag 20 april 2023 om 02:51:32 UTC+2schreef
>> >> pl...@insys.com.au <mailto:pl...@insys.com.au>
>> <mailto:pl...@insys.com.au <mailto:pl...@insys.com.au>>:
>> >>
>> >>
>> appreciated
>> >>
>> >> Peter
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > --- Original message ---
>> >> > Subject: Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
>> >> > From: Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se
>> <mailto:b...@softjar.se>>
>> >> > To: <pid...@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:pid...@googlegroups.com>>
>> >> > Date: Thursday, 20/04/2023 9:31 AM
>> >> >
>> >> > Ok. Newimages uploaded.
>> >>
>> >> Peter
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > --- Original message ---
>> >> > Subject: Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
>> >> > From: Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se
>> <mailto:b...@softjar.se>>
>> >> > To: <pid...@googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:pid...@googlegroups.com>>
>> >> > Date: Thursday, 20/04/2023 9:31 AM
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > New versions of TCP/IP toolsinstalled.
>> >> > /EBC removed from SYSLOGIN.CMD
>> >> > SHUTUP.CMD fixed so that shutdowns proceed properly.
>> >> >
>> >> > Johnny
>> >> >
>> >> > On 2023-04-19 16:57, Marco wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > By the way, you probably want to change LOGIN.CMD
>> that is
>> >> on the
>> >> >> system
>> >> >> > image, since I think I'm turning EBC on in there.
>> ;-)
>> >> >> I found it in [1,2]SYSLOGIN.CMD actually,
>> commenting the
>> >> ECB line out
>> >> >> in there solves my issue completely. Should I ever
>> need
>> >> 8bit control
>> >> >> characters then I can of course always turn ECB on
>> again in
>> >> that
>> >> >> session.
>> >> >> Thanksfor sorting this out.
>> >> > New versions of TCP/IP toolsinstalled.
>> >> > /EBC removed from SYSLOGIN.CMD
>> >> > SHUTUP.CMD fixed so that shutdowns proceed properly.
>> >> >
>> >> > Johnny
>> >> >
>> >> > On 2023-04-19 16:57, Marco wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > By the way, you probably want to change LOGIN.CMD
>> that is
>> >> on the
>> >> >> system
>> >> >> > image, since I think I'm turning EBC on in there.
>> ;-)
>> >> >> I found it in [1,2]SYSLOGIN.CMD actually,
>> commenting the
>> >> ECB line out
>> >> >> in there solves my issue completely. Should I ever
>> need
>> >> 8bit control
>> >> >> characters then I can of course always turn ECB on
>> again in
>> >> that
>> >> >> session.
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> Marco
>> >> >> Op woensdag 19 april 2023 om 16:01:21 UTC+2 schreef
>> >> b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se>:
>> >> >> Ok. That explains it. When you have EBC set, RSX is
>> talking
>> >> >> using 8 bit
>> >> >> characters. Things like EDTthen is also using 8 bit
>> control
>> >> >> characters,
>> >> >> which I'm pretty sure screen don't understand. The
>> VT100
>> >> >> emulation in
>> >> >> screenis less than perfect... :-)
>> >> >> Marco
>> >> >> Op woensdag 19 april 2023 om 16:01:21 UTC+2 schreef
>> >> b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se>:
>> >> >> Ok. That explains it. When you have EBC set, RSX is
>> talking
>> >> >> using 8 bit
>> >> >> characters. Things like EDTthen is also using 8 bit
>> control
>> >> >> characters,
>> >> >> which I'm pretty sure screen don't understand. The
>> VT100
>> >> >> emulation in
>> >> >> Anyway. Happy the problem is solved. But be aware
>> that you
>> >> >> cannotdo
>> >> >> anything that requires clean 8-bit through screen
>> in this
>> >> >> case.
>> >> >> Not sure if there is some way of convincing EDT to
>> use the
>> >> >> 7-bit escape
>> >> >> sequences, while leaving other things 8-bit clean.
>> >> >> By theway, you probably want to change LOGIN.CMD
>> that you
>> >> >> cannotdo
>> >> >> anything that requires clean 8-bit through screen
>> in this
>> >> >> case.
>> >> >> Not sure if there is some way of convincing EDT to
>> use the
>> >> >> 7-bit escape
>> >> >> sequences, while leaving other things 8-bit clean.
>> that is on
>> >> >> the system
>> >> >> image,since I think I'm turning EBC on in there. ;-)
>> >> >> the system
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > DMO DU0:/DEV/LOCK=V
>> >> >> > > DMO -- System disk being dismounted
>> >> >> > > DMO -- SYSTEM dismounted from DU0: *** Final
>> >> >> dismount
>> >> >> > initiated ***
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > > Command (DMO) Timeout -Continue waiting? [Y/N]:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > AmI (again?) the only one to see this?
>> >> >> > > DMO DU0:/DEV/LOCK=V
>> >> >> > > DMO -- System disk being dismounted
>> >> >> > > DMO -- SYSTEM dismounted from DU0: *** Final
>> >> >> dismount
>> >> >> > initiated ***
>> >> >> > >>
>> >> >> > > Command (DMO) Timeout -Continue waiting? [Y/N]:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Cheers,
>> >> >> > > Marco
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Opwoensdag 19 april 2023 om 08:51:06 UTC+2
>> schreef
>> >> >> Marco:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > It's good to hear the FTP issue has been
>> resolved, nice
>> >> >> work. It's
>> >> >> > > funny every time when you find a bug and realise
>> "this
>> >> >> should
>> >> >> never
>> >> >> > > have worked in the first place, but it
>> nevertheless
>> >> >> did!"
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Myweird terminal issuehowever still persists. I
>> >> >> Marco:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > It's good to hear the FTP issue has been
>> resolved, nice
>> >> >> work. It's
>> >> >> > > funny every time when you find a bug and realise
>> "this
>> >> >> should
>> >> >> never
>> >> >> > > have worked in the first place, but it
>> nevertheless
>> >> >> did!"
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Cheers,
>> >> >> > > Marco
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Opwoensdag 19 april 2023 om 05:48:47 UTC+2
>> >> >> > > >>> reboot
>> >> >> > > >>> > would,
>> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > however.
>> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> >
>> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > But you can check if it is blocked
>> by the
>> >> >> spoof
>> >> >> > > >>> detector:
>> >> >> > > >>> > "IFC SHOW
>> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > FILTER" will list all blocked
>> addresses.
>> >> >> If you
>> >> >> > > don't
>> >> >> > > >>> want the
>> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > spoof
>> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > detector to be active, you can just
>> >> >> "ABORTSPOOF",
>> >> >> > > >>> > would,
>> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > however.
>> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> >
>> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > But you can check if it is blocked
>> by the
>> >> >> spoof
>> >> >> > > >>> detector:
>> >> >> > > >>> > "IFC SHOW
>> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > FILTER" will list all blocked
>> addresses.
>> >> >> If you
>> >> >> > > don't
>> >> >> > > >>> want the
>> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > spoof
>> >> >> > > >>> > > >>> > detector to be active, you can just
Peter Long
Apr 25, 2023, 4:40:01 AM4/25/23
to Johnny Billquist, pid...@googlegroups.com
Johnny
Thanks for the fixes !
Would you mind posting the new (updated) .CMD files as it would be
easier to CMP and update my system rather than reinstall from scratch
Thanks
Peter
>
> --- Original message ---
> Subject: Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
> From: Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se>
> To: <pid...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, 25/04/2023 5:48 PM
>
> While technically true, the proper thing is to fix my configuration
> script so that it does things in decimal. People shouldn't have to
> work out such weirdness. :-)
> would be very bad for the configuration tool to not do it that way.
>
> New corrected images are now available. Also did some other updates
> while I was at it.
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2023-04-25 09:40, 'Peter Long' via [PiDP-11] wrote:
>>
>> You'll need to enter the number in octal - 865 decimal is 1541 octal.
>> See
>> http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RSX/AA-FD05A-TC%20RSX-11M%20&%20M-PLUS%20Indirect%20Command%20Processor%20Manual.pdf
> New corrected images are now available. Also did some other updates
> while I was at it.
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2023-04-25 09:40, 'Peter Long' via [PiDP-11] wrote:
>>
>> You'll need to enter the number in octal - 865 decimal is 1541 octal.
>> See
>> http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RSX/AA-FD05A-TC%20RSX-11M%20&%20M-PLUS%20Indirect%20Command%20Processor%20Manual.pdf
>> for more information on .SETN
>> Peter
>>>
>>> --- Original message ---
>>> *Subject:* Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
>>> *From:* Crni Mrki <crni...@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* Marco <crou...@gmail.com>
>> Peter
>>>
>>> --- Original message ---
>>> *Subject:* Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
>>> *From:* Crni Mrki <crni...@gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* PiDP-11 <pid...@googlegroups.com>
>>> *Date:* Tuesday, 25/04/2023 5:28 PM
>>>
>>> Hello all.
>>> What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it fail if I
>>> try with my HECNET node number 1.865.
>>> If I try with the simple node number as is 1.11 for example then is
>>>
>>> Hello all.
>>> What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it fail if I
>>> try with my HECNET node number 1.865.
>>> all ok.
>>>
>>> PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current git commit id: 8e5368aa
>>> Disabling XQ
>>> ./boot.ini-7> att rq0 pidp.dsk
>>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: 'pidp.dsk' Contains an ODS1 File system
>>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: Volume Name: RSX11MPBL87 Format: DECFILE11A Sectors
>>> In Volume: 2000896
>>> ./boot.ini-10> att dz 42,speed=*32
>>> %SIM-INFO: Listening on port 42
>>> ./boot.ini-14> att xu ens160
>>> %SIM-INFO: Eth: opened OS device ens160
>>> sim> b rq
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 BL87 1920.KW <http://1920.KW> System:"PIDP "
>>>
>>> PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current git commit id: 8e5368aa
>>> Disabling XQ
>>> ./boot.ini-7> att rq0 pidp.dsk
>>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: 'pidp.dsk' Contains an ODS1 File system
>>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: Volume Name: RSX11MPBL87 Format: DECFILE11A Sectors
>>> In Volume: 2000896
>>> ./boot.ini-10> att dz 42,speed=*32
>>> %SIM-INFO: Listening on port 42
>>> ./boot.ini-14> att xu ens160
>>> %SIM-INFO: Eth: opened OS device ens160
>>> sim> b rq
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>;
>>>>; Read the TCP/IP manual if you want more information on this topic.
>>>>;
>>>>* Press enter to continue [S]: >;
>>>>; It seems you have never configured DECnet
>>>>;
>>>>* Do you want the DECnet protocol enabled? [Y/N]: y
>>>>* What is the node number [S]: 1.865
>>>
>>> AT.T0 -- Syntax error
>>> .SETN N2 'N1'
>>> .SETN N2 865
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is my conf file:
>>> set cpu 11/70
>>> set cpu 4096
>>> set cpu idle
>>> set rq0 rauser=1024
>>> set tq0 write
>>> att -f tq0 e11 pidp.tap
>>> att rq0 pidp.dsk
>>> set clk 50
>>> set dz lines=8
>>> att dz 42,speed=*32
>>> set xu ena
>>> set xu type=delua
>>> set xu mac=AA:00:04:00:61:07
>>> att xu ens160
>>> set xu throttle
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 9:14 AM Marco <crou...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:crou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>* Press enter to continue [S]: >;
>>>>; It seems you have never configured DECnet
>>>>;
>>>>* Do you want the DECnet protocol enabled? [Y/N]: y
>>>>* What is the node number [S]: 1.865
>>>
>>> AT.T0 -- Syntax error
>>> .SETN N2 'N1'
>>> .SETN N2 865
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is my conf file:
>>> set cpu 11/70
>>> set cpu 4096
>>> set cpu idle
>>> set rq0 rauser=1024
>>> set tq0 write
>>> att -f tq0 e11 pidp.tap
>>> att rq0 pidp.dsk
>>> set clk 50
>>> set dz lines=8
>>> att dz 42,speed=*32
>>> set xu ena
>>> set xu type=delua
>>> set xu mac=AA:00:04:00:61:07
>>> att xu ens160
>>> set xu throttle
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 9:14 AM Marco <crou...@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Awesome! I'll give it a new try, let's see what we can find
>>> next ;-p
>>>
>>>
>>> Op donderdag 20 april 2023 om 02:51:32 UTC+2 schreef
>>> pl...@insys.com.au <mailto:pl...@insys.com.au>:
>>>
>>>
>>> Op donderdag 20 april 2023 om 02:51:32 UTC+2 schreef
>>>
>>>
>>> Awesome - thanks again for all your efforts - much
>>> appreciated
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> >
>>> > --- Original message ---
>>> > Subject: Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
>>> > From: Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se>
>>> > To: <pid...@googlegroups.com>
>>> > Date: Thursday, 20/04/2023 9:31 AM
>>> >
>>> > Ok. New images uploaded.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> >
>>> > --- Original message ---
>>> > Subject: Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
>>> > From: Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se>
>>> > To: <pid...@googlegroups.com>
>>> > Date: Thursday, 20/04/2023 9:31 AM
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > New versions of TCP/IP tools installed.
>>> > /EBC removed from SYSLOGIN.CMD
>>> > SHUTUP.CMD fixed so that shutdowns proceed
>>> properly.
>>> >
>>> > Johnny
>>> >
>>> > On 2023-04-19 16:57, Marco wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > By the way, you probably want to change
>>> LOGIN.CMD that is
>>> on the
>>> >> system
>>> >> > image, since I think I'm turning EBC on in
>>> there. ;-)
>>> >> I found it in [1,2]SYSLOGIN.CMD actually,
>>> commenting the
>>> ECB line out
>>> >> in there solves my issue completely. Should I ever
>>> need
>>> 8bit control
>>> >> characters then I can of course always turn ECB on
>>> again in
>>> that
>>> >> session.
>>> >> Thanks for sorting this out.
>>> > New versions of TCP/IP tools installed.
>>> > /EBC removed from SYSLOGIN.CMD
>>> > SHUTUP.CMD fixed so that shutdowns proceed
>>> properly.
>>> >
>>> > Johnny
>>> >
>>> > On 2023-04-19 16:57, Marco wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > By the way, you probably want to change
>>> LOGIN.CMD that is
>>> on the
>>> >> system
>>> >> > image, since I think I'm turning EBC on in
>>> there. ;-)
>>> >> I found it in [1,2]SYSLOGIN.CMD actually,
>>> commenting the
>>> ECB line out
>>> >> in there solves my issue completely. Should I ever
>>> need
>>> 8bit control
>>> >> characters then I can of course always turn ECB on
>>> again in
>>> that
>>> >> session.
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Marco
>>> >> Op woensdag 19 april 2023 om 16:01:21 UTC+2
>>> schreef
>>> b...@softjar.se:
>>> >> Marco
>>> >> Op woensdag 19 april 2023 om 16:01:21 UTC+2
>>> schreef
>>> >> Ok. That explains it. When you have EBC set, RSX
>>> is talking
>>> >> using 8 bit
>>> >> characters. Things like EDT then is also using 8
>>> is talking
>>> >> using 8 bit
>>> bit control
>>> >> characters,
>>> >> which I'm pretty sure screen don't understand. The
>>> VT100
>>> >> emulation in
>>> >> screen is less than perfect... :-)
>>> >> characters,
>>> >> which I'm pretty sure screen don't understand. The
>>> VT100
>>> >> emulation in
>>> >> Anyway. Happy the problem is solved. But be aware
>>> that you
>>> >> cannot do
>>> >> anything that requires clean 8-bit through screen
>>> in this
>>> >> case.
>>> >> Not sure if there is some way of convincing EDT to
>>> use the
>>> >> 7-bit escape
>>> >> sequences, while leaving other things 8-bit clean.
>>> that you
>>> >> cannot do
>>> >> anything that requires clean 8-bit through screen
>>> in this
>>> >> case.
>>> >> Not sure if there is some way of convincing EDT to
>>> use the
>>> >> 7-bit escape
>>> >> sequences, while leaving other things 8-bit clean.
>>> >> By the way, you probably want to change LOGIN.CMD
>>> that is on
>>> >> the system
>>> >> image, since I think I'm turning EBC on in there.
>>> ;-)
>>> that is on
>>> >> the system
>>> >> image, since I think I'm turning EBC on in there.
>>> ;-)
>>> >> Johnny
>>> >> On 2023-04-19 13:51, Marco wrote:
>>> >> > SET /NOEBC=TI:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Hurray, that works! :-)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Op woensdag 19 april 2023 om 13:38:12 UTC+2
>>> >> On 2023-04-19 13:51, Marco wrote:
>>> >> > SET /NOEBC=TI:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Hurray, that works! :-)
>>> >> >
>>> schreef
>>> >> b...@softjar.se:
>>> triggers
>>> >> this
>>> >> > behaviour,
>>> >> > > while the old image (and all other simh guest
>>> OS'es)
>>> >> don't. I
>>> >> am now
>>> >> > > looking to see if I can get 'screen' to
>>> >> this
>>> >> > behaviour,
>>> >> > > while the old image (and all other simh guest
>>> OS'es)
>>> >> don't. I
>>> >> am now
>>> behave, maybe
>>> >> the
>>> >> number of
>>> >> > > available lines on the screen differ with what
>>> 'screen'
>>> >> expects,
>>> >> > I don't
>>> >> > > really know...
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Another thing I noticed with the new RSX:
>>> >> the
>>> >> number of
>>> >> > > available lines on the screen differ with what
>>> 'screen'
>>> >> expects,
>>> >> > I don't
>>> >> > > really know...
>>> >> > >
>>> after "run
>>> >> $shutup" the
>>> >> > > dismount of DU0: times out, and will
>>> repeatedly when
>>> >> opting to
>>> >> wait
>>> >> > > further, until you choose to not wait and the
>>> shutdown
>>> >> process
>>> >> > continues
>>> >> > > to the end:
>>> >> $shutup" the
>>> >> > > dismount of DU0: times out, and will
>>> repeatedly when
>>> >> opting to
>>> >> wait
>>> >> > > further, until you choose to not wait and the
>>> shutdown
>>> >> process
>>> >> > continues
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > DMO DU0:/DEV/LOCK=V
>>> >> > > DMO -- System disk being dismounted
>>> >> > > DMO -- SYSTEM dismounted from DU0: *** Final
>>> >> dismount
>>> >> > initiated ***
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > > DMO DU0:/DEV/LOCK=V
>>> >> > > DMO -- System disk being dismounted
>>> >> > > DMO -- SYSTEM dismounted from DU0: *** Final
>>> >> dismount
>>> >> > initiated ***
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > > Command (DMO) Timeout - Continue waiting?
>>> [Y/N]:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Am I (again?) the only one to see this?
>>> [Y/N]:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Cheers,
>>> >> > > Marco
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Op woensdag 19 april 2023 om 08:51:06 UTC+2
>>> schreef
>>> >> Marco:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > It's good to hear the FTP issue has been
>>> resolved, nice
>>> >> work. It's
>>> >> > > funny every time when you find a bug and
>>> realise "this
>>> >> should
>>> >> never
>>> >> > > have worked in the first place, but it
>>> nevertheless
>>> >> did!"
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > My weird terminal issue however still
>>> >> Marco:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > It's good to hear the FTP issue has been
>>> resolved, nice
>>> >> work. It's
>>> >> > > funny every time when you find a bug and
>>> realise "this
>>> >> should
>>> >> never
>>> >> > > have worked in the first place, but it
>>> nevertheless
>>> >> did!"
>>> >> > >
>>> and so do
>>> >> the other
>>> >> > > simh guest OS'es. I will probably stick with
>>> the old
>>> >> image for
>>> >> now,
>>> >> > > which works fine for me, and maybe give the
>>> new image a
>>> >> try later,
>>> >> > > when I have more time. I in fact spend a lot
>>> of that
>>> >> yesterday
>>> >> when
>>> >> > > I really had other things to do...
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Nevertheless, thanks for the time and effort
>>> to all
>>> >> trying to come
>>> >> the other
>>> >> > > simh guest OS'es. I will probably stick with
>>> the old
>>> >> image for
>>> >> now,
>>> >> > > which works fine for me, and maybe give the
>>> new image a
>>> >> try later,
>>> >> > > when I have more time. I in fact spend a lot
>>> of that
>>> >> yesterday
>>> >> when
>>> >> > > I really had other things to do...
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Nevertheless, thanks for the time and effort
>>> to all
>>> >> > > up with answers, it's much appreciated!
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Cheers,
>>> >> > > Marco
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Op woensdag 19 april 2023 om 05:48:47 UTC+2
>>> schreef
>>> >> > > ma...@matlockfamily.com:
>>> also
>>> >> change RSX
>>> >> > > with CON if they really wanted to be 60HZ.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Lastly, if they have an existing DECnet node
>>> address
>>> >> for the
>>> >> > > PiDP-11, then they likely have already set the
>>> MAC
>>> >> address in
>>> >> > > boot.ini for xu
>>> >> > > However, if that is something they are setting
>>> up it
>>> >> might be
>>> >> > > nice to provide your command file that
>>> converts DECnet
>>> >> > > node address to MAC addresses. I used that
>>> command file
>>> >> a lot
>>> >> > > when I was configuring my local DECnet nodes.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Thanks for everything,
>>> >> > > Mark
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > On Apr 18, 2023, at 10:12 PM, Johnny
>>> Billquist
>>> >> for the
>>> >> > > PiDP-11, then they likely have already set the
>>> MAC
>>> >> address in
>>> >> > > boot.ini for xu
>>> >> > > However, if that is something they are setting
>>> up it
>>> >> might be
>>> >> > > nice to provide your command file that
>>> converts DECnet
>>> >> > > node address to MAC addresses. I used that
>>> command file
>>> >> a lot
>>> >> > > when I was configuring my local DECnet nodes.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Thanks for everything,
>>> >> > > Mark
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > On Apr 18, 2023, at 10:12 PM, Johnny
>>> Billquist
>>> >> > > <b...@softjar.se> wrote:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Jeez. That pool exhausted problem was
>>> trickier than I
>>> >> > > expected. But it should be solved now. New
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Jeez. That pool exhausted problem was
>>> trickier than I
>>> However,
>>> >> extending
>>> >> > > task memory is not allowed on a task where I/O
>>> is
>>> >> active, so
>>> >> > > memory allocation for RMS failed.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Now, this was usually no problem when
>>> >> extending
>>> >> > > task memory is not allowed on a task where I/O
>>> is
>>> >> active, so
>>> >> > > memory allocation for RMS failed.
>>> >> > > >
>>> transferring in
>>> >> RSX
>>> >> > > mode, or for some other special cases, since
>>> RMS isn't
>>> >> really
>>> >> > > used much in that case.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > For other file transfers, it might have
>>> worked if you
>>> >> were
>>> >> > > lucky, and no additional memory expansion was
>>> needed.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > I've now changed the code to not issue an
>>> outstanding
>>> >> I/O
>>> >> > > request, but instead only do a read when FTPD
>>> gets
>>> >> notified that
>>> >> > > there is some data to be read.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Tested on my machine, and it seems to work
>>> >> really
>>> >> > > used much in that case.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > For other file transfers, it might have
>>> worked if you
>>> >> were
>>> >> > > lucky, and no additional memory expansion was
>>> needed.
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > I've now changed the code to not issue an
>>> outstanding
>>> >> I/O
>>> >> > > request, but instead only do a read when FTPD
>>> gets
>>> >> notified that
>>> >> > > there is some data to be read.
>>> >> > > >
>>> there. As
>>> >> I said,
>>> >> > > new images have been created. Please test and
>>> report
>>> >> how it
>>> >> > > works for you guys...
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > I'm going to do some more work on
>>> documentation and
>>> >> updating
>>> >> > > automation next (I'll probably ping Mark
>>> Matlock about
>>> >> that,
>>> >> > > since he's been doing a lot of it... If you
>>> >> I said,
>>> >> > > new images have been created. Please test and
>>> report
>>> >> how it
>>> >> > > works for you guys...
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > I'm going to do some more work on
>>> documentation and
>>> >> updating
>>> >> > > automation next (I'll probably ping Mark
>>> Matlock about
>>> >> that,
>>> have time
>>> >> and
>>> >> > > energy, Mark...)
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Johnny
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > On 2023-04-18 03:05, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> >> > > >> There is clearly something funny with the
>>> disk
>>> >> image. I
>>> >> > > appreciate all the testing. Keep reports
>>> coming.
>>> >> > > >> But at the moment, there is definitely
>>> something
>>> >> that needs
>>> >> > > to be fixed here, and I haven't figured out
>>> >> and
>>> >> > > energy, Mark...)
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > Johnny
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > On 2023-04-18 03:05, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> >> > > >> There is clearly something funny with the
>>> disk
>>> >> image. I
>>> >> > > appreciate all the testing. Keep reports
>>> coming.
>>> >> > > >> But at the moment, there is definitely
>>> something
>>> >> that needs
>>> what yet.
>>> >> > > >> The pool exhaustion is a mystery. It's not
>>> the
>>> >> system pool
>>> >> > > that is the problem, but it's an RMS issue
>>> internal to
>>> >> the ftp
>>> >> > > daemon. It might be related to the editing
>>> problem, but
>>> >> possibly
>>> >> > > not. I have not been able to recreate the
>>> editing
>>> >> problem, but
>>> >> > > the pool problem is visible for me as well.
>>> >> > > >> I'll let people know when I have it sorted.
>>> >> > > >> The pool exhaustion is a mystery. It's not
>>> the
>>> >> system pool
>>> >> > > that is the problem, but it's an RMS issue
>>> internal to
>>> >> the ftp
>>> >> > > daemon. It might be related to the editing
>>> problem, but
>>> >> possibly
>>> >> > > not. I have not been able to recreate the
>>> editing
>>> >> problem, but
>>> >> > > the pool problem is visible for me as well.
>>> >> > > >> Johnny
>>> >> > > >> On 2023-04-18 00:19, Marco wrote:
>>> >> > > >>> I'm leaning towards a terminal issue , but
>>> note
>>> >> that I
>>> >> > > don´t have the issue with the old image.
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> >> > > >>> It appears I can actually get out of the
>>> "change
>>> >> freeze" by
>>> >> > > scrolling the mouse up in the terminal (Cool
>>> Retro Term
>>> >> over
>>> >> > > ssh), which results in control character junk
>>> on the
>>> >> screen but
>>> >> that I
>>> >> > > don´t have the issue with the old image.
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> >> > > >>> It appears I can actually get out of the
>>> "change
>>> >> freeze" by
>>> >> > > scrolling the mouse up in the terminal (Cool
>>> Retro Term
>>> >> over
>>> >> > > ssh), which results in control character junk
>>> on the
>>> >> > > does allow me to Ctrl-Z and then 'exit'. This
>>> actually
>>> >> writes
>>> >> > > some of the control character junk to the
>>> edited file,
>>> >> so it's
>>> >> > > not a permissions issue. But strange.
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> >> > > >>> Probably unrelated, when I ftp into that
>>> >> writes
>>> >> > > some of the control character junk to the
>>> edited file,
>>> >> so it's
>>> >> > > not a permissions issue. But strange.
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> folder and
>>> >> try to
>>> >> > > upload a file ("put"), I get a "pool
>>> exhausted" error.
>>> >> But I
>>> >> > > haven't really started troubleshooting that.
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> >> > > >>> Cheers,
>>> >> > > >>> Marco
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> >> > > >>> Op maandag 17 april 2023 om 18:12:09 UTC+2
>>> >> try to
>>> >> > > upload a file ("put"), I get a "pool
>>> exhausted" error.
>>> >> But I
>>> >> > > haven't really started troubleshooting that.
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> >> > > >>> Cheers,
>>> >> > > >>> Marco
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> schreef
>>> >> Marco:
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> >> > > >>> >dev ti:
>>> >> > > >>> TT11: [001001] [1,1] 17-APR-23 16:09 1 S.
>>> System
>>> >> > > >>> CLI = MCR Buf = 80. Hfill = 0
>>> >> Marco:
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> >> > > >>> >dev ti:
>>> >> > > >>> TT11: [001001] [1,1] 17-APR-23 16:09 1 S.
>>> System
>>> >> > > >>> Lines = 24. Term = VT100 Owner = none
>>> >> > > >>> NOPrinter_Port NOPasthru NOSerial
>>> >> > > >>> Lower Priv NOHold NOSlave ESC CRT NOForm
>>> NoRemote
>>> >> > > >>> Echo NOVfill HHT FDX Wrap NORPA EBC
>>> Typeahead
>>> >> > > >>> NOCtrlC AVO Ansi DEC NOEdit NORegis NOSoft
>>> NOBlkmod
>>> >> > > >>> Hsync BRO NOAbaud NOTTsync NOColor
>>> >> > > >>> NOLine_Edit NOInsert
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> >> > > >>> Op maandag 17 april 2023 om 17:51:48 UTC+2
>>> >> > > >>> NOPrinter_Port NOPasthru NOSerial
>>> >> > > >>> Lower Priv NOHold NOSlave ESC CRT NOForm
>>> NoRemote
>>> >> > > >>> Echo NOVfill HHT FDX Wrap NORPA EBC
>>> Typeahead
>>> >> > > >>> NOCtrlC AVO Ansi DEC NOEdit NORegis NOSoft
>>> NOBlkmod
>>> >> > > >>> Hsync BRO NOAbaud NOTTsync NOColor
>>> >> > > >>> NOLine_Edit NOInsert
>>> >> > > >>>
>>> schreef
>>> >> > > b...@softjar.se:
>>> >> > > >>> >
>>> >> > > >>> > I login as the System user, and created
>>> a new
>>> >> user, UIC
>>> >> > > 200,050,
>>> >> > > >>> > directory name DU0:[200050].
>>> >> > > >>> > I then login with that account. Doing a
>>> >> > > >>> > I login as the System user, and created
>>> a new
>>> >> user, UIC
>>> >> > > 200,050,
>>> >> > > >>> > directory name DU0:[200050].
>>> >> > > >>> >
>>> >> > > >>> > That looks impressive! Thanks, Johnny!
>>> >> > > >>> >
>>> >> > > >>> > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 4:44 PM Johnny
>>> >> Billquist
>>> >> > > >>> <b...@softjar.se>
>>> >> > > >>> > That looks impressive! Thanks, Johnny!
>>> >> > > >>> >
>>> >> > > >>> > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 4:44 PM Johnny
>>> >> Billquist
>>> >> > > >>> <b...@softjar.se>
>>> >> > > >>> > wrote:
>>> >> > > >>> > >
>>> >> > > >>> > > Not a complete list, as this is for my
>>> (not
>>> >> released)
>>> >> > > V5 of
>>> >> > > >>> RSX. But
>>> >> > > >>> > > most of the things on this list is in
>>> there:
>>> >> > > >>> > >
>>> >> > > >>> > > ====
>>> >> > > >>> > > . DMA bug for DHU/DHV output (DC)
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Increased max packet length to 1500
>>> >> > > >>> > >
>>> >> > > >>> > > Not a complete list, as this is for my
>>> (not
>>> >> released)
>>> >> > > V5 of
>>> >> > > >>> RSX. But
>>> >> > > >>> > > most of the things on this list is in
>>> there:
>>> >> > > >>> > >
>>> >> > > >>> > > ====
>>> >> > > >>> > > . DMA bug for DHU/DHV output (DC)
>>> which
>>> >> could crash
>>> >> > > out in
>>> >> > > >>> > some cases.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Improvement. ACD INSTALL installs
>>> ACD without
>>> >> world
>>> >> > > write
>>> >> > > >>> access.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Improvement. Changed SUB and PRI
>>> default
>>> >> values.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . PRI - old: /JO
>>> >> > > >>> > > new: /RES/LOW/JO/NOTIFY
>>> >> > > >>> > > . SUB - old: /LOG/PRIN
>>> >> > > >>> > > new: /RES/LOG/NOTIFY
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Improved CFL. Increased heap size.
>>> >> could crash
>>> >> > > out in
>>> >> > > >>> > some cases.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Improvement. ACD INSTALL installs
>>> ACD without
>>> >> world
>>> >> > > write
>>> >> > > >>> access.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Improvement. Changed SUB and PRI
>>> default
>>> >> values.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . PRI - old: /JO
>>> >> > > >>> > > new: /RES/LOW/JO/NOTIFY
>>> >> > > >>> > > . SUB - old: /LOG/PRIN
>>> >> > > >>> > > new: /RES/LOG/NOTIFY
>>> of zero
>>> >> length files
>>> >> > > >>> (DC)
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Added support for /DENS=LOW on RX33
>>> decimal
>>> >> number.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in RMD. Task header with
>>> DECnet crash
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in BRU - Make directory lists
>>> >> number.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in RMD. Task header with
>>> DECnet crash
>>> column
>>> >> aligned
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in NFT - Display and handle
>>> Stream-LF
>>> >> and
>>> >> > > Stream-CR
>>> >> > > >>> > correctly.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in RMSDAP - Correct
>>> protection code
>>> >> propagation
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in RMSDAP - Correct date
>>> parsing for
>>> >> Y2K.
>>> >> and
>>> >> > > Stream-CR
>>> >> > > >>> > correctly.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in RMSDAP - Correct
>>> protection code
>>> >> propagation
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in RMSDAP - Correct date
>>> parsing for
>>> >> Y2K.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Added missing DAPSLX.ODL to
>>> distribution.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Improved $HPW code to handle split
>>> distribution.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Added VT3xx, VT4xx and VT5xx.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . NTDEMO support for all CRT+ANSI+DEC
>>> terminals
>>> >> as VT2XX.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in ACNT. It was not possible
>>> to abort
>>> >> task.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in DECnet. EPM multicast
>>> processing
>>> >> didn't
>>> >> > > properly
>>> >> > > >>> > handle multiple
>>> >> > > >>> > > requests for the same multicast
>>> address.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Added $UTUIC to GIN$ GI.UIC return
>>> at word 13
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Added <UTLUIC> to IND.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Added TC.MAP function to SF.GMC for
>>> TT:
>>> >> device when this
>>> >> > > >>> > > . NTDEMO support for all CRT+ANSI+DEC
>>> terminals
>>> >> as VT2XX.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in ACNT. It was not possible
>>> to abort
>>> >> task.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in DECnet. EPM multicast
>>> processing
>>> >> didn't
>>> >> > > properly
>>> >> > > >>> > handle multiple
>>> >> > > >>> > > requests for the same multicast
>>> address.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Added $UTUIC to GIN$ GI.UIC return
>>> at word 13
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Added <UTLUIC> to IND.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Added TC.MAP function to SF.GMC for
>>> TT:
>>> >> > > >>> maps
>>> >> > > >>> > to telnet.
>>> >> > > >>> > > This returns the IP and port of the
>>> remote
>>> >> point for a
>>> >> > > telnet
>>> >> > > >>> > > connection to
>>> >> > > >>> > > this terminal.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Added printing of remote address for
>>> telnet
>>> >> TT: units
>>> >> > > to DEV
>>> >> > > >>> > to telnet.
>>> >> > > >>> > > This returns the IP and port of the
>>> remote
>>> >> point for a
>>> >> > > telnet
>>> >> > > >>> > > connection to
>>> >> > > >>> > > this terminal.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Added printing of remote address for
>>> telnet
>>> >> TT: units
>>> >> > > >>> > command.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Added /NUM to DEV command to not
>>> translate IP
>>> >> addresses
>>> >> > > >>> to names.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in NMVACP. SHOW KNOWN NODES
>>> processing
>>> >> could skip
>>> >> > > >>> some
>>> >> > > >>> > nodes.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Fix HELP EXEC MRKT text.
>>> >> addresses
>>> >> > > >>> to names.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in NMVACP. SHOW KNOWN NODES
>>> processing
>>> >> could skip
>>> >> > > >>> some
>>> >> > > >>> > nodes.
>>> >> > > >>> > terminals.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in LAT. Large buffers could
>>> be lost in
>>> >> some
>>> >> > > >>> circumstances.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Improvement. Added buffered I/O
>>> count to CDA
>>> >> active task
>>> >> > > >>> header
>>> >> > > >>> > dump.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Improvement. In DECnet ECL, increase
>>> buffer
>>> >> size so that
>>> >> > > >>> > programs like
>>> >> > > >>> > > NFT/FAL can run without packet loss in
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in LAT. Large buffers could
>>> be lost in
>>> >> some
>>> >> > > >>> circumstances.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Improvement. Added buffered I/O
>>> count to CDA
>>> >> active task
>>> >> > > >>> header
>>> >> > > >>> > dump.
>>> >> > > >>> > > . Improvement. In DECnet ECL, increase
>>> buffer
>>> >> size so that
>>> >> > > >>> > programs like
>>> >> > > >>> > > >>
>>> >> > > >>> > > >> For everyone - I've updated the
Johnny Billquist
Apr 25, 2023, 4:43:54 AM4/25/23
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Why not just restore the config.cmd from the tape image to your existing
disk? Then you can compare or do whatever.
(I can extract the cmd file later, but right now I need to do some other
stuff...)
Johnny
>>>> >> > > (nothing fancy about that) is headlessand I
>>>> >> > > >>> Lines = 24. Term = VT100 Owner= none
>>>> >> > > >>> > > . Bugfix in CEDUMP. /LT causedtask odd
>>>> >> > > >>> > > NFT/FAL can run without packetloss in
disk? Then you can compare or do whatever.
(I can extract the cmd file later, but right now I need to do some other
stuff...)
Johnny
>>>> connect to
>>>> >> it over
>>>> >> ssh.
>>>> >> > > But then again, the old RSX image works
>>>> fine, and so do
>>>> >> the other
>>>> >> > > simh guest OS'es. I will probably stick with
>>>> the old
>>>> >> image for
>>>> >> now,
>>>> >> > > which works fine for me, and maybe give the
>>>> new image a
>>>> >> try later,
>>>> >> > > when I have more time. I in fact spenda lot
>>>> >> it over
>>>> >> ssh.
>>>> >> > > But then again, the old RSX image works
>>>> fine, and so do
>>>> >> the other
>>>> >> > > simh guest OS'es. I will probably stick with
>>>> the old
>>>> >> image for
>>>> >> now,
>>>> >> > > which works fine for me, and maybe give the
>>>> new image a
>>>> >> try later,
Peter Long
Apr 25, 2023, 5:47:22 AM4/25/23
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Now I know which file you’ve changed, I can certainly do that
Peter
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> On 25 Apr 2023, at 6:44 pm, Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se> wrote:
>
> Why not just restore the config.cmd from the tape image to your existing disk? Then you can compare or do whatever.
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> Why not just restore the config.cmd from the tape image to your existing disk? Then you can compare or do whatever.
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Crni Mrki
Apr 26, 2023, 4:28:04 AM4/26/23
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Another question:
I am in the my home network with ADSL Fritzbox router, all functioning OK but have problem with the RSX11 tcpip/networking.
Localy is all OK, all works, but I have problem with conectivity to the outside. For example FTP, i can normaly open connection, log in but all other fail. I have tryed with passive, without passive, all versions gives me "RSP err: -95". Other OS-es with same simh settings works, it is only problem
with rsx11 tcpip. On the router is all permitted, no firewall on my linux host. Do I need some special config on my router?
>ftp ftp.dfupdate.se
FTP V2.48
(c) 2014-2022 by Johnny Billquist
Connecting to 159.69.213.219:21...
220- ===============================================================
220- = Welcome to the Update Computer Club FTP archives! =
220- ===============================================================
220-
220- This server is maintained by the computer club Update in
220- Uppsala, Sweden.
220-
220- You can find all the good stuff in the /pub directory.
220-
220- Please be advised that the club provides this service without
220- any guarantees, and we take no responsibility for any harm that
220- may come to you or your system from the use of this server, or
220- files obtained from this server.
220-
220- We do, however, try to ensure that everything here is correct.
220- If you have problems with the server, please contact the
220- FTP administrator ftp...@dfupdate.se.
220-
220
Username: ftp
331 Please specify the password.
Password:
230 Login successful.
Logged in.
Remote system is UNIX
Defaulting to text mode.
FTP>dir
229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||63514|)
I am in the my home network with ADSL Fritzbox router, all functioning OK but have problem with the RSX11 tcpip/networking.
Localy is all OK, all works, but I have problem with conectivity to the outside. For example FTP, i can normaly open connection, log in but all other fail. I have tryed with passive, without passive, all versions gives me "RSP err: -95". Other OS-es with same simh settings works, it is only problem
with rsx11 tcpip. On the router is all permitted, no firewall on my linux host. Do I need some special config on my router?
>ftp ftp.dfupdate.se
FTP V2.48
(c) 2014-2022 by Johnny Billquist
Connecting to 159.69.213.219:21...
220- ===============================================================
220- = Welcome to the Update Computer Club FTP archives! =
220- ===============================================================
220-
220- This server is maintained by the computer club Update in
220- Uppsala, Sweden.
220-
220- You can find all the good stuff in the /pub directory.
220-
220- Please be advised that the club provides this service without
220- any guarantees, and we take no responsibility for any harm that
220- may come to you or your system from the use of this server, or
220- files obtained from this server.
220-
220- We do, however, try to ensure that everything here is correct.
220- If you have problems with the server, please contact the
220- FTP administrator ftp...@dfupdate.se.
220-
220
Username: ftp
331 Please specify the password.
Password:
230 Login successful.
Logged in.
Remote system is UNIX
Defaulting to text mode.
FTP>dir
229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||63514|)
RSP err: -95
>ifc show all/num
Intf State Address Broadcast MTU ACP Line
IF0: *DHCP 192.168.178.42/24 192.168.178.255 1500 ETHACP UNA-0
IF1: *Run 127.0.0.1/8 127.255.255.255 8128
Intf State Address Broadcast MTU ACP Line
IF0: *DHCP 192.168.178.42/24 192.168.178.255 1500 ETHACP UNA-0
IF1: *Run 127.0.0.1/8 127.255.255.255 8128
Johnny Billquist
Apr 26, 2023, 7:25:02 AM4/26/23
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Error -95 is timeout.
This might be a bit tricky to troubelshoot. First question - are your
PiDP-11 sitting on WiFi?
Johnny
> > Why not just restore the config.cmd from the tape imageto your
> http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RSX/AA-FD05A-TC%20RSX-11M%20&%20M-PLUS%20Indirect%20Command%20Processor%20Manual.pdf <http://www.bitsavers.org/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/RSX/AA-FD05A-TC%20RSX-11M%20&%20M-PLUS%20Indirect%20Command%20Processor%20Manual.pdf> for more information on .SETN
> <http://mim.stupi.net/pidp.htm> <http://mim.stupi.net/pidp.htm
> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/c7b09b17-e9a8-2ef9-3ba9-e23d7a0c91dc%40softjar.se <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/pidp-11/c7b09b17-e9a8-2ef9-3ba9-e23d7a0c91dc%40softjar.se>.
This might be a bit tricky to troubelshoot. First question - are your
PiDP-11 sitting on WiFi?
Johnny
> >>>> Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- Original message ---
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
> >>>>> *From:* Crni Mrki <crni...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> *To:* Marco <crou...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> *Cc:* PiDP-11 <pid...@googlegroups.com>
> >>>>> *Date:* Tuesday, 25/04/2023 5:28 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello all.
> >>>>> What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it
> fail if I try with my HECNET node number 1.865.
> >>>>> If I try with the simple node number as is 1.11 for example
> then is all ok.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current git commit id: 8e5368aa
> >>>>> Disabling XQ
> >>>>> ./boot.ini-7> att rq0 pidp.dsk
> >>>>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: 'pidp.dsk' Contains an ODS1 File system
> >>>>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: Volume Name: RSX11MPBL87 Format: DECFILE11A
> Sectors In Volume: 2000896
> >>>>> ./boot.ini-10> att dz 42,speed=*32
> >>>>> %SIM-INFO: Listening on port 42
> >>>>> ./boot.ini-14> att xu ens160
> >>>>> %SIM-INFO: Eth: opened OS device ens160
> >>>>> sim> b rq
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 BL87 1920.KW <http://1920.KW>
> <http://1920.KW <http://1920.KW>> System:"PIDP "
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- Original message ---
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [PiDP-11] Adventures in RSX-11M-PLUS
> >>>>> *From:* Crni Mrki <crni...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> *To:* Marco <crou...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> *Cc:* PiDP-11 <pid...@googlegroups.com>
> >>>>> *Date:* Tuesday, 25/04/2023 5:28 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello all.
> >>>>> What I'm doing wrong, when it ask me for the node number it
> fail if I try with my HECNET node number 1.865.
> >>>>> If I try with the simple node number as is 1.11 for example
> then is all ok.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current git commit id: 8e5368aa
> >>>>> Disabling XQ
> >>>>> ./boot.ini-7> att rq0 pidp.dsk
> >>>>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: 'pidp.dsk' Contains an ODS1 File system
> >>>>> %SIM-INFO: RQ0: Volume Name: RSX11MPBL87 Format: DECFILE11A
> Sectors In Volume: 2000896
> >>>>> ./boot.ini-10> att dz 42,speed=*32
> >>>>> %SIM-INFO: Listening on port 42
> >>>>> ./boot.ini-14> att xu ens160
> >>>>> %SIM-INFO: Eth: opened OS device ens160
> >>>>> sim> b rq
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6 BL87 1920.KW <http://1920.KW>
>
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Crni Mrki
Apr 26, 2023, 9:11:27 AM4/26/23
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My simh with the RSX instance is on a desktop PC which is connected to the home network with Ethernet.
Weird is that, when try from BSD 2.11 with the same simh settings, all works OK.
And all other emulators and OS/s work (simh, qemu, OpenAXP, VirtualBOX...).
It must be some in TCP/IP or RSX settings. In local network, all works OK, DNS resolving is OK, routing is OK...
It must be some in TCP/IP or RSX settings. In local network, all works OK, DNS resolving is OK, routing is OK...
I have experience with networking, but I don't know how to simply debug this.
The only thing is to start with tcpdump on both sides of the connection, which I will do if I don't find another solution.
Johnny Billquist
Apr 26, 2023, 9:34:05 AM4/26/23
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A tcpdump would be helpful, I think.
Because I can't understand what the problem is here. Trying myself, all
works fine, including when using the disk image I created.
One thing you could possibly do is change the mac address in the config
file for simh. The thing is, DECnet forces a change of the mac address
to something based on your DECnet address. Depending on the version of
simh, and what kind of host you are running simh on, it might not fully,
correctly change the mac address of the simh environment correctly.
The easy solution to that is to just set the mac address in the simh
configuration to the same as DECnet will try to change it to.
And you can see what DECnet tries to set it to with the command:
.ncp sho lin una-0 cha
Line characteristics as of 26-APR-23 15:33:25
Line = UNA-0
Controller = Normal
Counter timer = Off
Protocol = ETHERNET
Hardware address = AA-00-04-00-0D-04
Controller CSR = 174510, Vector = 120
Priority = 5
.
(The output here is from Mim, which has a DECnet address of 1.13)
Johnny
Because I can't understand what the problem is here. Trying myself, all
works fine, including when using the disk image I created.
One thing you could possibly do is change the mac address in the config
file for simh. The thing is, DECnet forces a change of the mac address
to something based on your DECnet address. Depending on the version of
simh, and what kind of host you are running simh on, it might not fully,
correctly change the mac address of the simh environment correctly.
The easy solution to that is to just set the mac address in the simh
configuration to the same as DECnet will try to change it to.
And you can see what DECnet tries to set it to with the command:
.ncp sho lin una-0 cha
Line characteristics as of 26-APR-23 15:33:25
Line = UNA-0
Controller = Normal
Counter timer = Off
Protocol = ETHERNET
Hardware address = AA-00-04-00-0D-04
Controller CSR = 174510, Vector = 120
Priority = 5
.
(The output here is from Mim, which has a DECnet address of 1.13)
Johnny
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Crni Mrki
Apr 26, 2023, 9:47:58 AM4/26/23
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Hmmmm,
MAC address is correctly setted up in simh config file:
DECNET also works fine.
In linux on physical ethernet MAC is not changed:
eno1: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
inet 192.167.178.20 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.167.178.255
ether f8:b1:56:a8:6a:4a txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet)
RX packets 24336163 bytes 33749073836 (33.7 GB)
RX errors 0 dropped 171533 overruns 0 frame 0
TX packets 11550500 bytes 1336325134 (1.3 GB)
TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0
device interrupt 20 memory 0xf7c00000-f7c20000
inet 192.167.178.20 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.167.178.255
ether f8:b1:56:a8:6a:4a txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet)
RX packets 24336163 bytes 33749073836 (33.7 GB)
RX errors 0 dropped 171533 overruns 0 frame 0
TX packets 11550500 bytes 1336325134 (1.3 GB)
TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0
device interrupt 20 memory 0xf7c00000-f7c20000
set cpu 11/70
set cpu 4096
set cpu idle
set rq0 rauser=1024
set tq0 write
att -f tq0 e11 pidp.tap
att rq0 pidp.dsk
set clk 50
set dz lines=8
att dz 42,speed=*32
set xu ena
set xu type=delua
set xu mac=AA:00:04:00:61:07
set cpu 4096
set cpu idle
set rq0 rauser=1024
set tq0 write
att -f tq0 e11 pidp.tap
att rq0 pidp.dsk
set clk 50
set dz lines=8
att dz 42,speed=*32
set xu ena
set xu type=delua
set xu mac=AA:00:04:00:61:07
att xu eno1
set xu throttle
>ncp sho lin una-0 cha
Line characteristics as of 26-APR-23 15:40:41
Line = UNA-0
Controller = Normal
Counter timer = Off
Protocol = ETHERNET
Hardware address = AA-00-04-00-61-07
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Apr 26, 2023, 9:48:23 AM4/26/23
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One more thing: I hope you don't have multiple simh instances running,
all with the same DECnet address. If that is the case, then things will
definitely go bad in weird ways, as you will have multiple machines with
the same MAC address.
Johnny
all with the same DECnet address. If that is the case, then things will
definitely go bad in weird ways, as you will have multiple machines with
the same MAC address.
Johnny
Crni Mrki
Apr 26, 2023, 9:51:28 AM4/26/23
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sim> show ether
ETH devices:
eth0 eno1 (No description available)
eth1 tap:tapN (Integrated Tun/Tap support)
eth2 vde:device{:switch-port-number} (Integrated VDE support)
eth3 nat:{optional-nat-parameters} (Integrated NAT (SLiRP) support)
eth4 udp:sourceport:remotehost:remoteport (Integrated UDP bridge support)
Open ETH Devices:
XU eno1 (No description available)
Ethernet Device:
Name: eno1
Reflections: 0
Self Loopbacks Sent: 2
Self Loopbacks Rcvd: 0
Host NIC Address: F8:B1:56:A8:6A:4A
Packets Sent: 5948
Packets Received: 34992
Asynch Interrupts: Disabled
Throttle Delays: 330
Read Queue: Count: 7
Read Queue: High: 11
Read Queue: Loss: 0
Peak Write Queue Size: 2
MAC Filter[ 0]: AA:00:04:00:61:07
MAC Filter[ 1]: FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
MAC Filter[ 2]: AB:00:00:01:00:00
MAC Filter[ 3]: CF:00:00:00:00:00
MAC Filter[ 4]: AB:00:00:03:00:00
MAC Filter[ 5]: FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
MAC Filter[ 6]: 01:00:5E:00:00:01
BPF Filter: (((ether dst AA:00:04:00:61:07) or (ether dst FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF) or (ether dst AB:00:00:01:00:00) or (ether dst CF:00:00:00:00:00) or (ether dst AB:00:00:03:00:00) or (ether dst 01:00:5E:00:00:01)))
ETH devices:
eth0 eno1 (No description available)
eth1 tap:tapN (Integrated Tun/Tap support)
eth2 vde:device{:switch-port-number} (Integrated VDE support)
eth3 nat:{optional-nat-parameters} (Integrated NAT (SLiRP) support)
eth4 udp:sourceport:remotehost:remoteport (Integrated UDP bridge support)
Open ETH Devices:
XU eno1 (No description available)
Ethernet Device:
Name: eno1
Reflections: 0
Self Loopbacks Sent: 2
Self Loopbacks Rcvd: 0
Host NIC Address: F8:B1:56:A8:6A:4A
Packets Sent: 5948
Packets Received: 34992
Asynch Interrupts: Disabled
Throttle Delays: 330
Read Queue: Count: 7
Read Queue: High: 11
Read Queue: Loss: 0
Peak Write Queue Size: 2
MAC Filter[ 0]: AA:00:04:00:61:07
MAC Filter[ 1]: FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
MAC Filter[ 2]: AB:00:00:01:00:00
MAC Filter[ 3]: CF:00:00:00:00:00
MAC Filter[ 4]: AB:00:00:03:00:00
MAC Filter[ 5]: FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
MAC Filter[ 6]: 01:00:5E:00:00:01
BPF Filter: (((ether dst AA:00:04:00:61:07) or (ether dst FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF) or (ether dst AB:00:00:01:00:00) or (ether dst CF:00:00:00:00:00) or (ether dst AB:00:00:03:00:00) or (ether dst 01:00:5E:00:00:01)))
Johnny Billquist
Apr 26, 2023, 9:54:44 AM4/26/23
to Crni Mrki, pid...@googlegroups.com
The physical mac of the Linux machine should not change, so this all
looks very correct.
Communication between the pidp-11 and your physical Linux machine might
not work, which is another known problem. But unless your network router
is also running on the same Linux box, that should not be a problem.
And you are saying only the RSX host have these problems? Is it only
when using ftp as well?
ftp is a bit of a special case for the router. I am assuming you have
NAT. For ftp to work through a NAT router, the router is snooping on the
traffic and detecting ftp connections, and when ftp is setting up the
data connection, the NAT router will create a special entry for this
session to make things work, if you are using active mode. Which is why
passive mode is sometimes recommended, since it removes that
need/requirement from the NAT router.
But I believe you said you tried both passive and active mode, and
neither works.
Maybe a tcpdump would be good here, to see what is happening. If you
could do that on the linux host where the pidp is running? Just capture
traffic related to the IP address of the pidp.
Johnny
On 2023-04-26 15:47, Crni Mrki wrote:
> Hmmmm,
> MAC address is correctly setted up in simh config file:
> DECNET also works fine.
> In linux on physical ethernet MAC is not changed:
>
> eno1: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> inet 192.167.178.20 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast
> 192.167.178.255
> ether f8:b1:56:a8:6a:4a txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet)
> RX packets 24336163 bytes 33749073836 (33.7 GB)
> RX errors 0 dropped 171533 overruns 0 frame 0
> TX packets 11550500 bytes 1336325134(1.3 GB)
> <mailto:pidp-11%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>
> > <mailto:pidp-11+u...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:pidp-11%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>>.
looks very correct.
Communication between the pidp-11 and your physical Linux machine might
not work, which is another known problem. But unless your network router
is also running on the same Linux box, that should not be a problem.
And you are saying only the RSX host have these problems? Is it only
when using ftp as well?
ftp is a bit of a special case for the router. I am assuming you have
NAT. For ftp to work through a NAT router, the router is snooping on the
traffic and detecting ftp connections, and when ftp is setting up the
data connection, the NAT router will create a special entry for this
session to make things work, if you are using active mode. Which is why
passive mode is sometimes recommended, since it removes that
need/requirement from the NAT router.
But I believe you said you tried both passive and active mode, and
neither works.
Maybe a tcpdump would be good here, to see what is happening. If you
could do that on the linux host where the pidp is running? Just capture
traffic related to the IP address of the pidp.
Johnny
On 2023-04-26 15:47, Crni Mrki wrote:
> Hmmmm,
> MAC address is correctly setted up in simh config file:
> DECNET also works fine.
> In linux on physical ethernet MAC is not changed:
>
> eno1: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> inet 192.167.178.20 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast
> 192.167.178.255
> ether f8:b1:56:a8:6a:4a txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet)
> RX packets 24336163 bytes 33749073836 (33.7 GB)
> RX errors 0 dropped 171533 overruns 0 frame 0
> > <mailto:pidp-11+u...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:pidp-11%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>>.
> > To view this discussion on the web visit
> >
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Crni Mrki
Apr 26, 2023, 10:04:34 AM4/26/23
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tcpdump for IP address of rsx11 does not work because i make tcpdump on same host where run simh.
Here is tcpdump traffic to the ftp host on which dir command time out:
root@dell-1# tcpdump -ni eno1 host ftp.gnu.org
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full protocol decode
listening on eno1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), snapshot length 262144 bytes
16:01:11.643507 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [S], seq 3874692603, win 14600, options [mss 1460,wscale 0,eol], length 0
16:01:11.749802 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [S.], seq 103160081, ack 3874692604, win 64240, options [mss 1452,nop,wscale 7], length 0
16:01:11.781076 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 1, win 14600, length 0
16:01:11.895187 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 1:28, ack 1, win 502, length 27: FTP: 220 GNU FTP server ready.
16:01:12.120318 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 28, win 14573, length 0
16:01:15.220328 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 1:11, ack 28, win 14573, length 10: FTP: USER ftp
16:01:15.327793 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [.], ack 11, win 502, length 0
16:01:15.423165 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 28:67, ack 11, win 502, length 39: FTP: 230-NOTICE (Updated October 15 2021):
16:01:15.423565 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 67:73, ack 11, win 502, length 6: FTP: 230-
16:01:15.423565 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 73:139, ack 11, win 502, length 66: FTP: 230-If you maintain scripts used to access ftp.gnu.org over FTP,
16:01:15.423565 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 139:207, ack 11, win 502, length 68: FTP: 230-we strongly encourage you to change them to use HTTPS instead.
16:01:15.423565 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 207:213, ack 11, win 502, length 6: FTP: 230-
16:01:15.423565 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 213:280, ack 11, win 502, length 67: FTP: 230-Eventually we hope to shut down FTP protocol access, but plan
16:01:15.423605 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 280:347, ack 11, win 502, length 67: FTP: 230-to give notice here and other places for several months ahead
16:01:15.423605 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 347:361, ack 11, win 502, length 14: FTP: 230-of time.
16:01:15.423605 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 361:367, ack 11, win 502, length 6: FTP: 230-
16:01:15.423676 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 367:376, ack 11, win 502, length 9: FTP: 230----
16:01:15.636953 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 376, win 14520, length 0
16:01:15.761118 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 376:1045, ack 11, win 502, length 669: FTP: 230-
16:01:15.791218 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 11:23, ack 1045, win 14520, length 12: FTP: STRU O RSX
16:01:15.897037 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [.], ack 23, win 502, length 0
16:01:15.897114 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 1045:1068, ack 23, win 502, length 23: FTP: 504 Bad STRU command.
16:01:15.921693 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 23:29, ack 1068, win 14520, length 6: FTP: SYST
16:01:16.027797 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 1068:1087, ack 29, win 502, length 19: FTP: 215 UNIX Type: L8
16:01:16.242180 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 1087, win 14520, length 0
16:01:17.636465 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 29:35, ack 1087, win 14520, length 6: FTP: EPSV
16:01:17.743614 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 1087:1135, ack 35, win 502, length 48: FTP: 229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||24159|)
16:01:17.758801 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.24159: Flags [S], seq 1869487918, win 14600, options [mss 1460,wscale 0,eol], length 0
16:01:17.864979 IP 209.51.188.20.24159 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [S.], seq 2785739310, ack 1869487919, win 64240, options [mss 1452,nop,wscale 7], length 0
16:01:17.900587 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.24159: Flags [.], ack 1, win 14600, length 0
16:01:17.900933 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:01:18.015766 IP 209.51.188.20.24159 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 1:1335, ack 1, win 502, length 1334
16:01:18.015766 IP 209.51.188.20.24159 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [F.], seq 1335, ack 1, win 502, length 0
16:01:18.243364 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.24159: Flags [.], ack 1336, win 13266, length 0
16:01:18.403382 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:01:19.399215 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:01:21.404312 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:01:25.400326 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:01:33.400838 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:01:47.898987 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.24159: Flags [F.], seq 1, ack 1336, win 14520, length 0
16:01:48.008757 IP 209.51.188.20.24159 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [.], ack 2, win 502, length 0
16:01:49.402777 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:02:21.402287 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:03:25.402257 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
Here is tcpdump traffic to the ftp host on which dir command time out:
root@dell-1# tcpdump -ni eno1 host ftp.gnu.org
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full protocol decode
listening on eno1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), snapshot length 262144 bytes
16:01:11.643507 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [S], seq 3874692603, win 14600, options [mss 1460,wscale 0,eol], length 0
16:01:11.749802 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [S.], seq 103160081, ack 3874692604, win 64240, options [mss 1452,nop,wscale 7], length 0
16:01:11.781076 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 1, win 14600, length 0
16:01:11.895187 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 1:28, ack 1, win 502, length 27: FTP: 220 GNU FTP server ready.
16:01:12.120318 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 28, win 14573, length 0
16:01:15.220328 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 1:11, ack 28, win 14573, length 10: FTP: USER ftp
16:01:15.327793 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [.], ack 11, win 502, length 0
16:01:15.423165 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 28:67, ack 11, win 502, length 39: FTP: 230-NOTICE (Updated October 15 2021):
16:01:15.423565 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 67:73, ack 11, win 502, length 6: FTP: 230-
16:01:15.423565 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 73:139, ack 11, win 502, length 66: FTP: 230-If you maintain scripts used to access ftp.gnu.org over FTP,
16:01:15.423565 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 139:207, ack 11, win 502, length 68: FTP: 230-we strongly encourage you to change them to use HTTPS instead.
16:01:15.423565 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 207:213, ack 11, win 502, length 6: FTP: 230-
16:01:15.423565 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 213:280, ack 11, win 502, length 67: FTP: 230-Eventually we hope to shut down FTP protocol access, but plan
16:01:15.423605 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 280:347, ack 11, win 502, length 67: FTP: 230-to give notice here and other places for several months ahead
16:01:15.423605 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 347:361, ack 11, win 502, length 14: FTP: 230-of time.
16:01:15.423605 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 361:367, ack 11, win 502, length 6: FTP: 230-
16:01:15.423676 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 367:376, ack 11, win 502, length 9: FTP: 230----
16:01:15.636953 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 376, win 14520, length 0
16:01:15.761118 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 376:1045, ack 11, win 502, length 669: FTP: 230-
16:01:15.791218 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 11:23, ack 1045, win 14520, length 12: FTP: STRU O RSX
16:01:15.897037 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [.], ack 23, win 502, length 0
16:01:15.897114 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 1045:1068, ack 23, win 502, length 23: FTP: 504 Bad STRU command.
16:01:15.921693 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 23:29, ack 1068, win 14520, length 6: FTP: SYST
16:01:16.027797 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 1068:1087, ack 29, win 502, length 19: FTP: 215 UNIX Type: L8
16:01:16.242180 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 1087, win 14520, length 0
16:01:17.636465 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 29:35, ack 1087, win 14520, length 6: FTP: EPSV
16:01:17.743614 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 1087:1135, ack 35, win 502, length 48: FTP: 229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||24159|)
16:01:17.758801 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.24159: Flags [S], seq 1869487918, win 14600, options [mss 1460,wscale 0,eol], length 0
16:01:17.864979 IP 209.51.188.20.24159 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [S.], seq 2785739310, ack 1869487919, win 64240, options [mss 1452,nop,wscale 7], length 0
16:01:17.900587 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.24159: Flags [.], ack 1, win 14600, length 0
16:01:17.900933 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:01:18.015766 IP 209.51.188.20.24159 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 1:1335, ack 1, win 502, length 1334
16:01:18.015766 IP 209.51.188.20.24159 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [F.], seq 1335, ack 1, win 502, length 0
16:01:18.243364 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.24159: Flags [.], ack 1336, win 13266, length 0
16:01:18.403382 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:01:19.399215 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:01:21.404312 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:01:25.400326 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:01:33.400838 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:01:47.898987 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.24159: Flags [F.], seq 1, ack 1336, win 14520, length 0
16:01:48.008757 IP 209.51.188.20.24159 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [.], ack 2, win 502, length 0
16:01:49.402777 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:02:21.402287 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:03:25.402257 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 35:41, ack 1135, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
Johnny Billquist
Apr 26, 2023, 10:22:40 AM4/26/23
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Well, there is no problem running tcpdump on the same host as you're
running simh. Your interface will be seeing traffic for two IP
addresses, and that's nothing strange. Try it...
However, the dump on the remote host here indicates that all was working
fine up to a point. The ftp session obviously was fine (we already knew
that), but we can also see that the connection for the data channel also
looked like it was setup successful, and the data sent, and the
connection closed again.
However, the command channel seem to break right after the LIST command.
There is never any acknowledge of the packet from the RSX host which
contains the LIST command, so that just gets repeated over and over.
Obviously the list command did get to the server, since it did send the
actual result of the LIST, but why isn't the packet itself getting
acknowledged???
If the remote host never acknowledge that packet, then things definitely
are getting broken somewhere, but it's not on the RSX side.
What about a tcpdump from some other host to the same server?
Johnny
> > TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns0 carrier 0 collisions 0
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running simh. Your interface will be seeing traffic for two IP
addresses, and that's nothing strange. Try it...
However, the dump on the remote host here indicates that all was working
fine up to a point. The ftp session obviously was fine (we already knew
that), but we can also see that the connection for the data channel also
looked like it was setup successful, and the data sent, and the
connection closed again.
However, the command channel seem to break right after the LIST command.
There is never any acknowledge of the packet from the RSX host which
contains the LIST command, so that just gets repeated over and over.
Obviously the list command did get to the server, since it did send the
actual result of the LIST, but why isn't the packet itself getting
acknowledged???
If the remote host never acknowledge that packet, then things definitely
are getting broken somewhere, but it's not on the RSX side.
What about a tcpdump from some other host to the same server?
Johnny
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Oh. And I slightly misunderstood what you meant with the tcpdump not
working. You are running on the host I would expect, but you're not
capturing traffic to the RSX host, but towards the server where you are
doing ftp.
Either filter expression is just as good for this purpose, but you can
filter for the IP address of the RSX host just as well. It will also
work fine. Try it.
Johnny
>> Communication between the pidp-11 and your physicalLinux machine
>> > Because I can't understand what the problemis here. Trying
>> > > You received this message because you aresubscribed to the
working. You are running on the host I would expect, but you're not
capturing traffic to the RSX host, but towards the server where you are
doing ftp.
Either filter expression is just as good for this purpose, but you can
filter for the IP address of the RSX host just as well. It will also
work fine. Try it.
Johnny
>> might
>> not work, which is another known problem. But unless your network
>> router
>> is also running on the same Linux box, that should not be a problem.
>>
>> And you are saying only the RSX host have these problems? Is it only
>> when using ftp as well?
>>
>> ftp is a bit of a special case for the router. I amassuming you have
>> not work, which is another known problem. But unless your network
>> router
>> is also running on the same Linux box, that should not be a problem.
>>
>> And you are saying only the RSX host have these problems? Is it only
>> when using ftp as well?
>>
>> NAT. For ftp to work through a NAT router, the router is snooping on
>> the
>> traffic and detecting ftp connections, and when ftpis setting up the
>> the
>> myself,all
>> > works fine, including when using the disk image I created.
>> >
>> > One thing you could possibly do is change the mac address in the
>> config
>> > file for simh. The thing is, DECnet forces a change of the mac
>> address
>> > to something based on your DECnet address. Depending on the
>> versionof
>> > simh, and what kind of host you are runningsimh on, it might not
>> > works fine, including when using the disk image I created.
>> >
>> > One thing you could possibly do is change the mac address in the
>> config
>> > file for simh. The thing is, DECnet forces a change of the mac
>> address
>> > to something based on your DECnet address. Depending on the
>> versionof
>> > fully,
>> > correctly change the mac address of the simh environment
>> correctly.
>> >
>> > The easy solution to that is to just set the mac address in the
>> simh
>> > configuration to the same as DECnet will try to change it to.
>> >
>> > And you can see what DECnet tries to set itto with the command:
>> > correctly change the mac address of the simh environment
>> correctly.
>> >
>> > The easy solution to that is to just set the mac address in the
>> simh
>> > configuration to the same as DECnet will try to change it to.
>> >
Crni Mrki
Apr 26, 2023, 10:27:33 AM4/26/23
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There is dump from bsd 2.11 to the same ftp host:
root@dell-1:/home/bnovak/emulation/systems/rsx11# tcpdump -ni eno1 host ftp.gnu.org
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full protocol decode
listening on eno1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), snapshot length 262144 bytes
16:26:02.159878 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [S], seq 7553, win 4096, length 0
16:26:02.264164 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [S.], seq 3276578523, ack 7554, win 64240, options [mss 1452], length 0
16:26:02.294083 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 1, win 4096, length 0
16:26:02.406890 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1:28, ack 1, win 64240, length 27: FTP: 220 GNU FTP server ready.
16:26:02.510509 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 28, win 4096, length 0
16:26:04.681292 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 1:11, ack 28, win 4096, length 10: FTP: USER ftp
16:26:04.786818 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [.], ack 11, win 64230, length 0
16:26:04.876068 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 28:67, ack 11, win 64230, length 39: FTP: 230-NOTICE (Updated October 15 2021):
16:26:04.876482 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 67:73, ack 11, win 64230, length 6: FTP: 230-
16:26:04.876483 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 73:139, ack 11, win 64230, length 66: FTP: 230-If you maintain scripts used to access ftp.gnu.org over FTP,
16:26:04.876483 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 139:207, ack 11, win 64230, length 68: FTP: 230-we strongly encourage you to change them to use HTTPS instead.
16:26:04.876483 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 207:213, ack 11, win 64230, length 6: FTP: 230-
16:26:04.876483 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 213:280, ack 11, win 64230, length 67: FTP: 230-Eventually we hope to shut down FTP protocol access, but plan
16:26:04.876533 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 280:347, ack 11, win 64230, length 67: FTP: 230-to give notice here and other places for several months ahead
16:26:04.876533 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 347:361, ack 11, win 64230, length 14: FTP: 230-of time.
16:26:04.876534 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 361:367, ack 11, win 64230, length 6: FTP: 230-
16:26:04.876588 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 367:376, ack 11, win 64230, length 9: FTP: 230----
16:26:05.106063 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 376, win 4096, length 0
16:26:05.212463 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 376:1045, ack 11, win 64230, length 669: FTP: 230-
16:26:05.252021 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 11:17, ack 1045, win 4096, length 6: FTP: SYST
16:26:05.356127 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [.], ack 17, win 64224, length 0
16:26:05.356127 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1045:1064, ack 17, win 64224, length 19: FTP: 215 UNIX Type: L8
16:26:05.398373 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 17:25, ack 1064, win 4096, length 8: FTP: TYPE I
16:26:05.503907 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1064:1095, ack 25, win 64216, length 31: FTP: 200 Switching to Binary mode.
16:26:05.707638 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 1095, win 4096, length 0
16:26:07.040691 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 25:51, ack 1095, win 4096, length 26: FTP: PORT 192,168,178,221,4,1
16:26:07.146924 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1095:1146, ack 51, win 64191, length 51: FTP: 200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
16:26:07.177900 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 51:59, ack 1146, win 4096, length 8: FTP: TYPE A
16:26:07.294752 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1146:1176, ack 59, win 64183, length 30: FTP: 200 Switching to ASCII mode.
16:26:07.347495 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 59:65, ack 1176, win 4096, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:26:07.484123 IP 209.51.188.20.20 > 192.168.178.221.1025: Flags [S], seq 1581145960, win 64240, options [mss 1452,sackOK,TS val 1663832191 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
16:26:07.529894 IP 192.168.178.221.1025 > 209.51.188.20.20: Flags [S.], seq 8321, ack 1581145961, win 4096, length 0
16:26:07.537660 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [.], ack 65, win 64177, length 0
16:26:07.638354 IP 209.51.188.20.20 > 192.168.178.221.1025: Flags [.], ack 1, win 64240, length 0
16:26:07.639464 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1176:1215, ack 65, win 64177, length 39: FTP: 150 Here comes the directory listing.
16:26:07.639756 IP 209.51.188.20.20 > 192.168.178.221.1025: Flags [P.], seq 1:1335, ack 1, win 64240, length 1334
16:26:07.639756 IP 209.51.188.20.20 > 192.168.178.221.1025: Flags [F.], seq 1335, ack 1, win 64240, length 0
16:26:07.680865 IP 192.168.178.221.1025 > 209.51.188.20.20: Flags [.], ack 1336, win 2762, length 0
16:26:07.683888 IP 192.168.178.221.1025 > 209.51.188.20.20: Flags [.], ack 1336, win 4096, length 0
16:26:07.704914 IP 192.168.178.221.1025 > 209.51.188.20.20: Flags [F.], seq 1, ack 1336, win 4096, length 0
16:26:07.713209 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 1215, win 4096, length 0
16:26:07.784847 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1215:1239, ack 65, win 64177, length 24: FTP: 226 Directory send OK.
16:26:07.812447 IP 209.51.188.20.20 > 192.168.178.221.1025: Flags [.], ack 2, win 64240, length 0
16:26:07.814679 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 65:73, ack 1239, win 4096, length 8: FTP: TYPE I
16:26:07.919534 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [.], ack 73, win 64169, length 0
16:26:07.919656 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1239:1270, ack 73, win 64169, length 31: FTP: 200 Switching to Binary mode.
16:26:08.114885 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 1270, win 4096, length 0
16:26:02.264164 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [S.], seq 3276578523, ack 7554, win 64240, options [mss 1452], length 0
16:26:02.294083 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 1, win 4096, length 0
16:26:02.406890 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1:28, ack 1, win 64240, length 27: FTP: 220 GNU FTP server ready.
16:26:02.510509 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 28, win 4096, length 0
16:26:04.681292 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 1:11, ack 28, win 4096, length 10: FTP: USER ftp
16:26:04.786818 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [.], ack 11, win 64230, length 0
16:26:04.876068 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 28:67, ack 11, win 64230, length 39: FTP: 230-NOTICE (Updated October 15 2021):
16:26:04.876482 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 67:73, ack 11, win 64230, length 6: FTP: 230-
16:26:04.876483 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 73:139, ack 11, win 64230, length 66: FTP: 230-If you maintain scripts used to access ftp.gnu.org over FTP,
16:26:04.876483 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 139:207, ack 11, win 64230, length 68: FTP: 230-we strongly encourage you to change them to use HTTPS instead.
16:26:04.876483 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 207:213, ack 11, win 64230, length 6: FTP: 230-
16:26:04.876483 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 213:280, ack 11, win 64230, length 67: FTP: 230-Eventually we hope to shut down FTP protocol access, but plan
16:26:04.876533 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 280:347, ack 11, win 64230, length 67: FTP: 230-to give notice here and other places for several months ahead
16:26:04.876533 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 347:361, ack 11, win 64230, length 14: FTP: 230-of time.
16:26:04.876534 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 361:367, ack 11, win 64230, length 6: FTP: 230-
16:26:04.876588 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 367:376, ack 11, win 64230, length 9: FTP: 230----
16:26:05.106063 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 376, win 4096, length 0
16:26:05.212463 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 376:1045, ack 11, win 64230, length 669: FTP: 230-
16:26:05.252021 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 11:17, ack 1045, win 4096, length 6: FTP: SYST
16:26:05.356127 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [.], ack 17, win 64224, length 0
16:26:05.356127 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1045:1064, ack 17, win 64224, length 19: FTP: 215 UNIX Type: L8
16:26:05.398373 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 17:25, ack 1064, win 4096, length 8: FTP: TYPE I
16:26:05.503907 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1064:1095, ack 25, win 64216, length 31: FTP: 200 Switching to Binary mode.
16:26:05.707638 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 1095, win 4096, length 0
16:26:07.040691 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 25:51, ack 1095, win 4096, length 26: FTP: PORT 192,168,178,221,4,1
16:26:07.146924 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1095:1146, ack 51, win 64191, length 51: FTP: 200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
16:26:07.177900 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 51:59, ack 1146, win 4096, length 8: FTP: TYPE A
16:26:07.294752 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1146:1176, ack 59, win 64183, length 30: FTP: 200 Switching to ASCII mode.
16:26:07.347495 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 59:65, ack 1176, win 4096, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:26:07.484123 IP 209.51.188.20.20 > 192.168.178.221.1025: Flags [S], seq 1581145960, win 64240, options [mss 1452,sackOK,TS val 1663832191 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
16:26:07.529894 IP 192.168.178.221.1025 > 209.51.188.20.20: Flags [S.], seq 8321, ack 1581145961, win 4096, length 0
16:26:07.537660 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [.], ack 65, win 64177, length 0
16:26:07.638354 IP 209.51.188.20.20 > 192.168.178.221.1025: Flags [.], ack 1, win 64240, length 0
16:26:07.639464 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1176:1215, ack 65, win 64177, length 39: FTP: 150 Here comes the directory listing.
16:26:07.639756 IP 209.51.188.20.20 > 192.168.178.221.1025: Flags [P.], seq 1:1335, ack 1, win 64240, length 1334
16:26:07.639756 IP 209.51.188.20.20 > 192.168.178.221.1025: Flags [F.], seq 1335, ack 1, win 64240, length 0
16:26:07.680865 IP 192.168.178.221.1025 > 209.51.188.20.20: Flags [.], ack 1336, win 2762, length 0
16:26:07.683888 IP 192.168.178.221.1025 > 209.51.188.20.20: Flags [.], ack 1336, win 4096, length 0
16:26:07.704914 IP 192.168.178.221.1025 > 209.51.188.20.20: Flags [F.], seq 1, ack 1336, win 4096, length 0
16:26:07.713209 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 1215, win 4096, length 0
16:26:07.784847 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1215:1239, ack 65, win 64177, length 24: FTP: 226 Directory send OK.
16:26:07.812447 IP 209.51.188.20.20 > 192.168.178.221.1025: Flags [.], ack 2, win 64240, length 0
16:26:07.814679 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 65:73, ack 1239, win 4096, length 8: FTP: TYPE I
16:26:07.919534 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [.], ack 73, win 64169, length 0
16:26:07.919656 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.221.1024: Flags [P.], seq 1239:1270, ack 73, win 64169, length 31: FTP: 200 Switching to Binary mode.
16:26:08.114885 IP 192.168.178.221.1024 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 1270, win 4096, length 0
Johnny Billquist
Apr 26, 2023, 10:30:11 AM4/26/23
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That worked better, but that was also while using active mode, and not
passive. So a bit hard to make too much of it.
Could you try with passive mode from 2.11BSD and see what the tcpdump
looks like?
Johnny
> > root@dell-1# tcpdump -ni eno1 host ftp.gnu.org <http://ftp.gnu.org>
> > used to access ftp.gnu.org <http://ftp.gnu.org> over FTP,
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passive. So a bit hard to make too much of it.
Could you try with passive mode from 2.11BSD and see what the tcpdump
looks like?
Johnny
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Johnny Billquist
Apr 26, 2023, 10:38:38 AM4/26/23
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By the way, I just tried from my created disk image, without any changes
done at all, towards ftp.gnu.org, and it works just fine here.
I have no idea what is going on for you, but it certainly seems to be
some kind of problem outside of the RSX host itself.
One thing you could try (I'm curious). In the RSX FTP client, say that
you want binary mode, and then do a directory. That will force commands
to change back and forth between different modes. Directory listings are
in the end in text mode anyway, but it will force commands to switch
between. It shouldn't matter, but maybe there is something funny in your
router that picks on such commands...?
Johnny
On 2023-04-26 16:27, Crni Mrki wrote:
> > root@dell-1# tcpdump -ni eno1 host ftp.gnu.org <http://ftp.gnu.org>
> > used to access ftp.gnu.org <http://ftp.gnu.org> over FTP,
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done at all, towards ftp.gnu.org, and it works just fine here.
I have no idea what is going on for you, but it certainly seems to be
some kind of problem outside of the RSX host itself.
One thing you could try (I'm curious). In the RSX FTP client, say that
you want binary mode, and then do a directory. That will force commands
to change back and forth between different modes. Directory listings are
in the end in text mode anyway, but it will force commands to switch
between. It shouldn't matter, but maybe there is something funny in your
router that picks on such commands...?
Johnny
On 2023-04-26 16:27, Crni Mrki wrote:
> > >
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> > > || on a psychedelic trip
> > > email: b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se> ||
> > > Reading murder books
> > > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
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> > > --
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> > > || on a psychedelic trip
> > > email: b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se> ||
> > > Reading murder books
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> >
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> > email: b...@softjar.se || Reading murder books
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>
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Crni Mrki
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On bsd regular ftp have not passive mode, i made tcpdump of passive ftp connection direct from linux to ftp.gnu.org:
root@dell-1:/home/bnovak/emulation/systems/rsx11# tcpdump -ni eno1 host ftp.gnu.org
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full protocol decode
listening on eno1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), snapshot length 262144 bytes
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full protocol decode
listening on eno1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), snapshot length 262144 bytes
16:45:51.763804 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222 > 2001:470:142:3::b.21: Flags [P.], seq 1492202246:1492202252, ack 1486469741, win 16719, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297124 ecr 1552901277], length 6: FTP: EPSV
16:45:51.865041 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.21 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222: Flags [.], ack 6, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552921881 ecr 341297124], length 0
16:45:51.865041 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.21 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222: Flags [P.], seq 1:49, ack 6, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552921881 ecr 341297124], length 48: FTP: 229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||28047|)
16:45:51.865074 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222 > 2001:470:142:3::b.21: Flags [.], ack 49, win 16719, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297225 ecr 1552921881], length 0
16:45:51.865207 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204 > 2001:470:142:3::b.28047: Flags [S], seq 3642619554, win 65535, options [mss 1432,sackOK,TS val 341297225 ecr 0,nop,wscale 2], length 0
16:45:51.968064 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.28047 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204: Flags [S.], seq 584400325, ack 3642619555, win 64260, options [mss 1432,sackOK,TS val 1552921984 ecr 341297225,nop,wscale 7], length 0
16:45:51.968104 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204 > 2001:470:142:3::b.28047: Flags [.], ack 1, win 16384, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297328 ecr 1552921984], length 0
16:45:51.968141 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222 > 2001:470:142:3::b.21: Flags [P.], seq 6:12, ack 49, win 16719, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297328 ecr 1552921881], length 6: FTP: LIST
16:45:52.069475 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.21 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222: Flags [P.], seq 49:88, ack 12, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552922086 ecr 341297328], length 39: FTP: 150 Here comes the directory listing.
16:45:52.069507 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222 > 2001:470:142:3::b.21: Flags [.], ack 88, win 16719, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297429 ecr 1552922086], length 0
16:45:52.071049 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.28047 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204: Flags [P.], seq 1:1335, ack 1, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552922087 ecr 341297328], length 1334
16:45:52.071064 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204 > 2001:470:142:3::b.28047: Flags [.], ack 1335, win 17094, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297431 ecr 1552922087], length 0
16:45:52.071118 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.28047 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204: Flags [F.], seq 1335, ack 1, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552922087 ecr 341297328], length 0
16:45:52.071153 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204 > 2001:470:142:3::b.28047: Flags [F.], seq 1, ack 1336, win 17094, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297431 ecr 1552922087], length 0
16:45:52.180529 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.21 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222: Flags [P.], seq 88:112, ack 12, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552922190 ecr 341297429], length 24: FTP: 226 Directory send OK.
16:45:52.180555 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222 > 2001:470:142:3::b.21: Flags [.], ack 112, win 16719, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297540 ecr 1552922190], length 0
16:45:52.180593 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.28047 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204: Flags [.], ack 2, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552922190 ecr 341297431], length 0
16:45:51.865041 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.21 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222: Flags [.], ack 6, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552921881 ecr 341297124], length 0
16:45:51.865041 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.21 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222: Flags [P.], seq 1:49, ack 6, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552921881 ecr 341297124], length 48: FTP: 229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||28047|)
16:45:51.865074 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222 > 2001:470:142:3::b.21: Flags [.], ack 49, win 16719, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297225 ecr 1552921881], length 0
16:45:51.865207 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204 > 2001:470:142:3::b.28047: Flags [S], seq 3642619554, win 65535, options [mss 1432,sackOK,TS val 341297225 ecr 0,nop,wscale 2], length 0
16:45:51.968064 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.28047 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204: Flags [S.], seq 584400325, ack 3642619555, win 64260, options [mss 1432,sackOK,TS val 1552921984 ecr 341297225,nop,wscale 7], length 0
16:45:51.968104 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204 > 2001:470:142:3::b.28047: Flags [.], ack 1, win 16384, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297328 ecr 1552921984], length 0
16:45:51.968141 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222 > 2001:470:142:3::b.21: Flags [P.], seq 6:12, ack 49, win 16719, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297328 ecr 1552921881], length 6: FTP: LIST
16:45:52.069475 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.21 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222: Flags [P.], seq 49:88, ack 12, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552922086 ecr 341297328], length 39: FTP: 150 Here comes the directory listing.
16:45:52.069507 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222 > 2001:470:142:3::b.21: Flags [.], ack 88, win 16719, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297429 ecr 1552922086], length 0
16:45:52.071049 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.28047 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204: Flags [P.], seq 1:1335, ack 1, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552922087 ecr 341297328], length 1334
16:45:52.071064 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204 > 2001:470:142:3::b.28047: Flags [.], ack 1335, win 17094, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297431 ecr 1552922087], length 0
16:45:52.071118 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.28047 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204: Flags [F.], seq 1335, ack 1, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552922087 ecr 341297328], length 0
16:45:52.071153 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204 > 2001:470:142:3::b.28047: Flags [F.], seq 1, ack 1336, win 17094, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297431 ecr 1552922087], length 0
16:45:52.180529 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.21 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222: Flags [P.], seq 88:112, ack 12, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552922190 ecr 341297429], length 24: FTP: 226 Directory send OK.
16:45:52.180555 IP6 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222 > 2001:470:142:3::b.21: Flags [.], ack 112, win 16719, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297540 ecr 1552922190], length 0
16:45:52.180593 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.28047 > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204: Flags [.], ack 2, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552922190 ecr 341297431], length 0
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Well. Could you turn off passive mode on the RSX test then, so we have
something comparable to 2.11BSD?
This example shows the expected stuff, anyway. You get an
acknowledgement of the LIST command, and things proceed as expected.
That response to the LIST command, as well as the ack of the bytes for
the LIST command is what is missing in the RSX attempt. And these should
come from the server side. And I have no idea why they don't show up
when running RSX. But they are not exactly under the control from the
RSX side...
Johnny
On 2023-04-26 16:47, Crni Mrki wrote:
> > scripts used to access ftp.gnu.org <http://ftp.gnu.org> over FTP,
> > b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se> napisao je:
> <http://ftp.gnu.org> <http://ftp.gnu.org <http://ftp.gnu.org>>
> <http://ftp.gnu.org <http://ftp.gnu.org>> over FTP,
> > > b...@softjar.se <mailto:b...@softjar.se> napisao je:
> <mailto:pidp-11%2Bu...@googlegroups.com>
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> > > > <mailto:pidp-11%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com
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> > > > <mailto:pidp-11%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com
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> > > <mailto:pidp-11+u...@googlegroups.com
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something comparable to 2.11BSD?
This example shows the expected stuff, anyway. You get an
acknowledgement of the LIST command, and things proceed as expected.
That response to the LIST command, as well as the ack of the bytes for
the LIST command is what is missing in the RSX attempt. And these should
come from the server side. And I have no idea why they don't show up
when running RSX. But they are not exactly under the control from the
RSX side...
Johnny
On 2023-04-26 16:47, Crni Mrki wrote:
> On bsd regular ftp have not passive mode, i made tcpdump of passive ftp
> connection direct from linux to ftp.gnu.org <http://ftp.gnu.org>:
> root@dell-1:/home/bnovak/emulation/systems/rsx11# tcpdump -ni eno1 host
> ftp.gnu.org <http://ftp.gnu.org>
> tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full protocol decode
> listening on eno1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), snapshot length 262144 bytes
> tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full protocol decode
> listening on eno1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), snapshot length 262144 bytes
> > ftp.gnu.org <http://ftp.gnu.org>
> > tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full
> protocol decode
> > listening on eno1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), snapshot length
> 262144 bytes
> > tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full
> protocol decode
> > listening on eno1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), snapshot length
> 262144 bytes
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Crni Mrki
Apr 26, 2023, 11:06:08 AM4/26/23
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Hmmm, mystery...
When I make ftp connection and then switch off passive mode things works!16:58:11.905227 IP 192.168.178.42.64000 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [S], seq 1214057540, win 14600, options [mss 1460,wscale 0,eol], length 0
16:58:12.009369 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [S.], seq 512460862, ack 1214057541, win 64240, options [mss 1452,nop,wscale 7], length 0
16:58:12.042442 IP 192.168.178.42.64000 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 1, win 14600, length 0
16:58:12.154773 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 1:28, ack 1, win 502, length 27: FTP: 220 GNU FTP server ready.
16:58:12.371890 IP 192.168.178.42.64000 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 28, win 14573, length 0
16:58:13.904559 IP 192.168.178.42.64000 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 1:11, ack 28, win 14573, length 10: FTP: USER ftp
16:58:14.012797 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [.], ack 11, win 502, length 0
16:58:14.102306 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 28:67, ack 11, win 502, length 39: FTP: 230-NOTICE (Updated October 15 2021):
16:58:14.102306 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 67:73, ack 11, win 502, length 6: FTP: 230-
16:58:14.102306 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 73:139, ack 11, win 502, length 66: FTP: 230-If you maintain scripts used to access ftp.gnu.org over FTP,
16:58:14.102307 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 139:207, ack 11, win 502, length 68: FTP: 230-we strongly encourage you to change them to use HTTPS instead.
16:58:14.102307 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 207:213, ack 11, win 502, length 6: FTP: 230-
16:58:14.102361 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 213:280, ack 11, win 502, length 67: FTP: 230-Eventually we hope to shut down FTP protocol access, but plan
16:58:14.102361 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 280:347, ack 11, win 502, length 67: FTP: 230-to give notice here and other places for several months ahead
16:58:14.102361 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 347:361, ack 11, win 502, length 14: FTP: 230-of time.
16:58:14.102408 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 361:367, ack 11, win 502, length 6: FTP: 230-
16:58:14.102408 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 367:376, ack 11, win 502, length 9: FTP: 230----
16:58:14.328797 IP 192.168.178.42.64000 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 376, win 14520, length 0
16:58:14.434428 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 376:1045, ack 11, win 502, length 669: FTP: 230-
16:58:14.463056 IP 192.168.178.42.64000 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 11:23, ack 1045, win 14520, length 12: FTP: STRU O RSX
16:58:14.567657 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [.], ack 23, win 502, length 0
16:58:14.567657 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 1045:1068, ack 23, win 502, length 23: FTP: 504 Bad STRU command.
16:58:14.582965 IP 192.168.178.42.64000 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 23:29, ack 1068, win 14520, length 6: FTP: SYST
16:58:14.693150 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 1068:1087, ack 29, win 502, length 19: FTP: 215 UNIX Type: L8
16:58:14.924355 IP 192.168.178.42.64000 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 1087, win 14520, length 0
16:58:18.194878 IP 192.168.178.42.64000 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 29:60, ack 1087, win 14520, length 31: FTP: EPRT |1|192.168.178.42|64001|
16:58:18.301524 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 1087:1138, ack 60, win 502, length 51: FTP: 200 EPRT command successful. Consider using EPSV.
16:58:18.314305 IP 192.168.178.42.64000 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [P.], seq 60:66, ack 1138, win 14520, length 6: FTP: LIST
16:58:18.420461 IP 209.51.188.20.20 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [S], seq 4219995506, win 64240, options [mss 1452,sackOK,TS val 1665763155 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
16:58:18.444340 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.20: Flags [S.], seq 2290617733, ack 4219995507, win 14600, options [mss 1460,wscale 0,eol], length 0
16:58:18.461298 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [.], ack 66, win 502, length 0
16:58:18.548631 IP 209.51.188.20.20 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [.], ack 1, win 502, length 0
16:58:18.549700 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 1138:1177, ack 66, win 502, length 39: FTP: 150 Here comes the directory listing.
16:58:18.549945 IP 209.51.188.20.20 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [P.], seq 1:1335, ack 1, win 502, length 1334
16:58:18.552295 IP 209.51.188.20.20 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [F.], seq 1335, ack 1, win 502, length 0
16:58:18.607568 IP 192.168.178.42.64001 > 209.51.188.20.20: Flags [F.], seq 1, ack 1336, win 14520, length 0
16:58:18.712237 IP 209.51.188.20.20 > 192.168.178.42.64001: Flags [.], ack 2, win 502, length 0
16:58:18.712237 IP 209.51.188.20.21 > 192.168.178.42.64000: Flags [P.], seq 1177:1201, ack 66, win 502, length 24: FTP: 226 Directory send OK.
16:58:18.781078 IP 192.168.178.42.64000 > 209.51.188.20.21: Flags [.], ack 1201, win 14520, length 0
Crni Mrki
Apr 26, 2023, 3:53:52 PM4/26/23
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Here is the session listing, it works after PORT command:
Remote system is UNIX
Defaulting to text mode.
Defaulting to text mode.
FTP>port
Passive use different port than command.
FTP>dir
229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||24990|)
Passive use different port than command.
FTP>dir
229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||24990|)
150 Here comes the directory listing.
lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 8 Aug 20 2004 CRYPTO.README -> .messag
e
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 17864 Oct 23 2003 MISSING-FILES
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 4178 Aug 13 2003 MISSING-FILES.README
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 2746 Oct 15 2021 README
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 405121 Oct 23 2003 before-2003-08-01.md5sum
s.asc
-rw-rw-r-- 1 0 3003 244842 Apr 26 08:01 find.txt.gz
drwxrwxr-x 320 0 3003 12288 Jan 23 19:27 gnu
drwxrwxr-x 3 0 3003 4096 Mar 10 2011 gnu+linux-distros
-rw-rw-r-- 1 0 3003 471667 Apr 26 08:01 ls-lrRt.txt.gz
drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Apr 20 2005 mirrors
lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 11 Apr 15 2004 non-gnu -> gnu/non-gnu
drwxr-xr-x 98 0 0 4096 May 12 2022 old-gnu
lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 1 Aug 05 2003 pub -> .
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Nov 08 2007 savannah
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Aug 02 2003 third-party
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Apr 07 2009 tmp
-rw-rw-r-- 1 0 3003 555278 Apr 26 08:01 tree.json.gz
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 May 07 2013 video
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 1092 Oct 15 2021 welcome.msg
Size: 1.30 KB in: 20ms Rate: 65.1 KB/s
226 Directory send OK.
e
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 17864 Oct 23 2003 MISSING-FILES
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 4178 Aug 13 2003 MISSING-FILES.README
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 2746 Oct 15 2021 README
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 405121 Oct 23 2003 before-2003-08-01.md5sum
s.asc
-rw-rw-r-- 1 0 3003 244842 Apr 26 08:01 find.txt.gz
drwxrwxr-x 320 0 3003 12288 Jan 23 19:27 gnu
drwxrwxr-x 3 0 3003 4096 Mar 10 2011 gnu+linux-distros
-rw-rw-r-- 1 0 3003 471667 Apr 26 08:01 ls-lrRt.txt.gz
drwxr-xr-x 3 0 0 4096 Apr 20 2005 mirrors
lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 11 Apr 15 2004 non-gnu -> gnu/non-gnu
drwxr-xr-x 98 0 0 4096 May 12 2022 old-gnu
lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 1 Aug 05 2003 pub -> .
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Nov 08 2007 savannah
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Aug 02 2003 third-party
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 Apr 07 2009 tmp
-rw-rw-r-- 1 0 3003 555278 Apr 26 08:01 tree.json.gz
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 4096 May 07 2013 video
-rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 1092 Oct 15 2021 welcome.msg
Size: 1.30 KB in: 20ms Rate: 65.1 KB/s
226 Directory send OK.
Johnny Billquist
Apr 26, 2023, 5:00:11 PM4/26/23
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And for everyone to get up to date.
I added this command after a suspicion I got about the problem we were
seeing. So this command only exists in the very latest build.
I am going to make this the default for the future, so that others that
have similar equipment don't get this problem.
And it would appear to be a problem on the NAT router, which cannot deal
with two connections from the same computer with the same source port,
even though it is different destination ports.
And the reason I was using the same source port is because RFC 959 says
it should be the same source port.
But I think few, if anyone, will have problems if a different source
port is used by default. I'll keep the PORT command so that people can
get either behavior.
Mystery solved. But this was an ugly one...
Johnny
> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=3230bc8893&view=lg&permmsgid=msg-a:r-4309921339499548052>
> <http://ftp.gnu.org> <http://ftp.gnu.org <http://ftp.gnu.org>>:
> > <http://ftp.gnu.org <http://ftp.gnu.org>> <http://ftp.gnu.org
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I added this command after a suspicion I got about the problem we were
seeing. So this command only exists in the very latest build.
I am going to make this the default for the future, so that others that
have similar equipment don't get this problem.
And it would appear to be a problem on the NAT router, which cannot deal
with two connections from the same computer with the same source port,
even though it is different destination ports.
And the reason I was using the same source port is because RFC 959 says
it should be the same source port.
But I think few, if anyone, will have problems if a different source
port is used by default. I'll keep the PORT command so that people can
get either behavior.
Mystery solved. But this was an ugly one...
Johnny
> > root@dell-1:/home/bnovak/emulation/systems/rsx11# tcpdump -ni
> eno1 host
> eno1 host
> > ftp.gnu.org <http://ftp.gnu.org> <http://ftp.gnu.org
> <http://ftp.gnu.org>>
> > tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full
> protocol decode
> > listening on eno1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), snapshot
> length 262144 bytes
> <http://ftp.gnu.org>>
> > tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full
> protocol decode
> > listening on eno1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), snapshot
> length 262144 bytes
> > 16:45:51.763804 IP6
> 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222 >
> > 2001:470:142:3::b.21: Flags [P.], seq 1492202246:1492202252, ack
> > 1486469741, win 16719, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297124 ecr
> > 1552901277], length 6: FTP: EPSV
> > 16:45:51.865041 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.21 >
> > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222: Flags [.], ack
> 6, win 503,
> > options [nop,nop,TS val 1552921881 ecr 341297124], length 0
> > 16:45:51.865041 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.21 >
> > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222: Flags [P.], seq
> 1:49, ack
> > 6, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552921881 ecr
> 341297124], length
> > 48: FTP: 229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||28047|)
> > 16:45:51.865074 IP6
> 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222 >
> > 2001:470:142:3::b.21: Flags [.], ack 49, win 16719, options
> [nop,nop,TS
> > val 341297225 ecr 1552921881], length 0
> > 16:45:51.865207 IP6
> 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204 >
> > 2001:470:142:3::b.28047: Flags [S], seq 3642619554
> <tel:(364)%20261-9554>, win 65535, options
> 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222 >
> > 2001:470:142:3::b.21: Flags [P.], seq 1492202246:1492202252, ack
> > 1486469741, win 16719, options [nop,nop,TS val 341297124 ecr
> > 1552901277], length 6: FTP: EPSV
> > 16:45:51.865041 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.21 >
> > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222: Flags [.], ack
> 6, win 503,
> > options [nop,nop,TS val 1552921881 ecr 341297124], length 0
> > 16:45:51.865041 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.21 >
> > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222: Flags [P.], seq
> 1:49, ack
> > 6, win 503, options [nop,nop,TS val 1552921881 ecr
> 341297124], length
> > 48: FTP: 229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||28047|)
> > 16:45:51.865074 IP6
> 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.50222 >
> > 2001:470:142:3::b.21: Flags [.], ack 49, win 16719, options
> [nop,nop,TS
> > val 341297225 ecr 1552921881], length 0
> > 16:45:51.865207 IP6
> 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204 >
> > 2001:470:142:3::b.28047: Flags [S], seq 3642619554
> > [mss 1432,sackOK,TS val 341297225 ecr 0,nop,wscale 2], length 0
> > 16:45:51.968064 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.28047 >
> > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204: Flags [S.], seq
> 584400325,
> > ack 3642619555 <tel:(364)%20261-9555>, win 64260, options
> > 16:45:51.968064 IP6 2001:470:142:3::b.28047 >
> > 2001:a62:476:e801:803f:d70b:bdf1:4715.44204: Flags [S.], seq
> 584400325,
> > > ftp.gnu.org <http://ftp.gnu.org> <http://ftp.gnu.org
> <http://ftp.gnu.org>>
> > > tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full
> > protocol decode
> > > listening on eno1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), snapshot
> length
> > 262144 bytes
> <http://ftp.gnu.org>>
> > > tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v[v]... for full
> > protocol decode
> > > listening on eno1, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), snapshot
> length
> > 262144 bytes
> > > > >
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