TOPS10-603 Kermit documentation?

[steve...@gmail.com]

I'm trying to use Kermit on TOPS10-603 (boot option 2) and keep running into problems with illegal commands. The version of Kermit is 5A(44)-7 and I can't find any useful documentation anywhere on it.

.HELP KERMIT

in TOPS-10 does give a bunch of info but not enough. I need a lot more detail on the SET command.

.HELP KERMIT does also say at the very bottom:

Additional information on KERMIT can be found in the files:

DOC:KERMIT.DOC
HLP:KERMIT.ADD (Addendum)
DOC:KERMIT.MAN

but then none of these files can be found. The HLP: directory has files KERMIT.HLP and KERMIT.H5 but KERMIT.H5 looks to be a binary file.

.DIR DOC:

returns only:

%WLDNXD Non-existent DOC:[5,14].UFD

I've spent a couple of hours scouring the web for any useful documentation but can't find anything.

Thanks in advance for any help anyone can offer on this.

-- steve

[Bob Eager]

If you type SET ? it will give you the following options. The ? works most anywhere in this regard. Versions may vary but 5A should do this.

There is a C-Kermit book online but it is for later versions.

https://kermitproject.org/onlinebooks/usingckermit3e.pdf

[Bob Eager]

Actually, this earlier version is closer:
 https://www.kermitproject.org/onlinebooks/uck2ep2.pdf

[Richard C]

I tried Kermit a bit ago and had problems starting a transfer. I tried for a bit and then decided to use magtape. It is possible there are some options on the DC10 or ckermit that might make it work. There is a newer version of Tops 10 Kermit, however it will not compile on 6.03

RIch

[steve...@gmail.com]

When I run TOPS-10 KERMIT version 3(136) on a different installation of SIMH PDP-10, it has a setting:

Kermit-10>set file byte-size seven-bit

that seems to be critical. Without it, all I get on the Pi OS C-KERMIT side is (highlighted in yellow):

pi@raspberrypi:/opt/tops10code $ kermit
C-Kermit 10.0 Beta.08, 15 Dec 2022, for Linux+SSL (64-bit)
 Copyright (C) 1985, 2022,
  Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
  Open Source 3-clause BSD license since 2011.
Type ? or HELP for help.
(/opt/tops10code/) C-Kermit>telnet localhost:2020
 DNS Lookup...  Trying 127.0.0.1...  Reverse DNS Lookup... (OK)
Connecting to host localhost:2020
 Escape character: Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS): enabled
Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
or followed by ? to see other options.
----------------------------------------------------


Connected to the KA-10 simulator DC device, line 1


% INTFCR File command error

KA603 15:37:22 TTY1 system 50
Please LOGIN or ATTACH

.login 100,100
JOB 4 KA603 TTY1
Password:
[LGNJSP Other jobs same PPN:3,5]
1537 28-Apr-84 Sat

.r kermit

[Kermit Ver. 5A(44)-7]
Kermit-10> server
Entering server (remote) mode...

(Back at raspberrypi)
----------------------------------------------------
(/opt/tops10code/) C-Kermit>send whtstn.for

*************************
SEND-class command failed.
 Packets sent: 1
 Retransmissions: 0
 Timeouts: 0
 Damaged packets: 0
 Transfer canceled by receiver.
 Receiver's message: "?KERDAT Transmission not in sync"

HINTS... If the preceding error message does not explain the failure:
 . Try changing the remote Kermit's FLOW-CONTROL setting.
 . Try it again with: SET STREAMING OFF
 . Try it again with: SET PARITY SPACE
 . As a last resort, give a ROBUST command and try again.
Also:
 . Be sure the source file has read permission.
 . Be sure the target directory has write permission.
 . Be sure the target disk has sufficient space.
(Use SET HINTS OFF to suppress hints.)
*************************

(/opt/tops10code/) C-Kermit>

There does not seem to be any equivalent command that I can find in TOPS-10 Kermit 5A(44)-7. All permutations of similar commands give "illegal command" kinds of responses from TOPS-10 Kermit and no documentation seems to suggest any correct alternative.

What I am trying to do is transfer text files from the Pi side into TOPS-10. Going from Pi text file to magtape then from magtape to text file on the PiDP-10 seems to be some serious overkill.

Insofar as the version installed seems to be TOPS-10 Kermit 5A(44)-7, wouldn't TOPS-10 Kermit version 3(136) seem to be a more workable version instead?

Thanks,

-- steve

 

[Richard C]

As I said, the newer versions seems to work. However I was unable to get it to compile on 6.03. If you can get 3(136) to work send me the changes.

Rich