Picochess as a general software plataform

[Santiago Torres]

Dear Friends, unhappily I am one of the picochess users that ask and ask for picochess functionalities. This time I am learning Python in order to participate actively in picochess development. I am an intermediate programmer and maybe I can reach some tasks in a lot of time, but I will do my best to perform the things I want.

Many people have several chess computers/boards (DGT, Millenium, Certabo, etc) and why not to think in an only one software plataform to use with any of the chessboards?

I would like to start that project. Maybe some of you have been working on that, therefore it would be great to know in order to not reinvent the wheel.

I would need to have information about DGT, Millenium and Certabo protocols. Can some of you give me advices in how to start?

What the experts think? It is a reachable task? I should say that I would do that in my scarce spare time, but I really want to do it. Therefore, it will take some time.

Best regards,

[Michael Byrne]

I’m not an expert - but I assume you do realize picochess today is for either products made by DGT or those who build electronic chessboard themselves - let’s call those DIYers or DIY for short. As far as I know no other electronic chessboard manufacturer has adopted Picochess. So that aspect I believe would be very difficult. I could be wrong. So your commitment might best be serve to streamline the process for DIY and to enhance the current state for DGT. Just my $.02.

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[Santiago Torres]

The idea is to serve not only DIY but also DGT, Millenium and Certabo owners. The same (only one) software (picochess) and only one device (raspberry pi) for all chess hardware (mainly DGT, Millenium, Certabo).

[Santiago Torres]

Some other companies have not adopted picoches, but they have open protocols, therefore, adopting picochess should not be an issue.

Regards,

[Michael Byrne]

Good luck!

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> Some other companies have not adopted picoches, but they have open protocols, therefore, adopting picochess should not be an issue.
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[Shivkumar Shivaji]

FYI, I am trying on the side for picochess to work with chess genius software, just a way to emulate chess genius boards and work on DGT boards. 

I don't physically have a chess genius board, however I believe I can emulate one well.

Your project is interesting, one just has to change a few files to support every different board.

Shiv

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[Santiago Torres]

Thanks Shivaji. Do you have information on how to do that please?. The idea is that Picochess detects automatically the kind of connected board. I can work on certabo.
Regards

[Santiago Torres]

Or maybe do something similar is done by Aart Bik with the chess software, selecting first the type of board the user is going to use.

Regards,

Santiago

[Shivkumar Shivaji]

Do you have other boards with you too? :) That is needed for testing..

Shiv

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[Santiago Torres]

Yes I have the chessgenius and Certabo :-). Regards,

Santiago

[Shivkumar Shivaji]

Wow, thats cool!

If you have the chessgenius board, try out this opensource solution to see if your board works with it:

https://github.com/domschl/python-mchess

Shiv

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Yes I have the chessgenius and Certabo :-).  Regards,

Santiago

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[Santiago Torres]

Excellent I will give a try.

[Ingo3D]

Hello, is there anything new with the connection to the Certabo board? Probably there is a lack of the appropriate Certabo hardware to try it out ... I do have a Certabo board, but I lack the knowledge to do something like that.

In any case, it is a lot of fun to play with the Certabo Board.

It is definitely worth taking a look at the board.

https://www.certabo.com/

Gruß Ingo

[Santiago Torres]

Hi Ingo, unhappily I realized my knowledge in picochess architecture and programming is very limited for such task. I was trying but I had to stop it because of the time consuming task. I hope Someone can help.
Best regards.

Santiago

[Shivkumar Shivaji]

If the API is documented,  with a python client, this is not too hard to support. Looks like it is already documented at https://github.com/haklein/certabo-lichess/blob/master/certabo-lichess.py

We need to create a certabo folder like https://github.com/jromang/picochess/tree/master/dgt and have a mapping to the DGT like api.

Shiv

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[Ingo3D]

Could you do it? Greetings Ingo

Am Montag, 11. Mai 2020 00:21:20 UTC+2 schrieb sshivaji:

If the API is documented,  with a python client, this is not too hard to support. Looks like it is already documented at https://github.com/haklein/certabo-lichess/blob/master/certabo-lichess.py

We need to create a certabo folder like https://github.com/jromang/picochess/tree/master/dgt and have a mapping to the DGT like api.

Shiv

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Hi Ingo, unhappily I realized my knowledge in picochess architecture and programming is very limited for such task.  I was trying but I had to stop it because  of the time consuming task.   I hope Someone can help.
Best regards.

Santiago

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[Shivkumar Shivaji]

I don't have a certabo unfortunately

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[Scally]

Nor me, however I know of person who does and reads this forum, maybe he can help ..

You know who you are 😄


Al.

[Ingo3D]

Hello Al, you are right, it was just an idea of ​​mine, maybe Pietro from Certabo does something that should be familiar ...

with your compiled programs he did it too ...

Greetings Ingo

[Shivkumar Shivaji]

That's great. If the certabo api has support to get all sensors , ie squares from the board and can issue a notification when a piece position has changed, then it's enough to make it work with picochess.

Picochess has a lot of extra api for DGT such as DGT clock support, dgt pi support, rev ii light support etc.

Simple board support and maybe the light support later would be a good start.

Shiv

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[Shivkumar Shivaji]

Typed too fast, we don't need certabo to issue a callback if a piece position has changed, that would just be cool. We can of course rescan board with the serial api.

Shiv

[Ingo3D]

you're right, the certabo board is supported by Android, Windows, and Mac, it shouldn't be a problem, only someone who already has a Certabo board would have to do that ... and who knows his stuff :-))

Am Montag, 11. Mai 2020 18:56:41 UTC+2 schrieb sshivaji:
Typed too fast, we don't need certabo to issue a callback if a piece position has changed, that would just be cool. We can of course rescan board with the serial api.


Shiv

On Mon, May 11, 2020, 9:54 AM Shivkumar Shivaji <sshi...@gmail.com> wrote:

That's great. If the certabo api has support to get all sensors , ie squares from the board and can issue a notification when a piece position has changed, then it's enough to make it work with picochess.


Picochess has a lot of extra api for DGT such as DGT clock support, dgt pi support, rev ii light support etc.


Simple board support and maybe the light support later would be a good start.


Shiv



On Mon, May 11, 2020, 9:30 AM Ingo3D <ing...@mail.de> wrote:

Hello Al, you are right, it was just an idea of ​​mine, maybe Pietro from Certabo does something that should be familiar ...



with your compiled programs he did it too ...



Greetings Ingo

Am Montag, 11. Mai 2020 18:20:16 UTC+2 schrieb Scally:
Nor me, however I know of person who does and reads this forum, maybe he can help ..

You know who you are 😄


Al.

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[Shivkumar Shivaji]

Oh, if that's the case, can someone publish a certabo board emulator for Linux. This would allow picochess contributors to support certabo without a certabo board. The certabo board emulator essentially mimics a certabo board.

Shiv

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[Ingo3D]

What is the point of an emulator if nobody has a Certabo board? I just wanted to try my DGT3000 / pi on the Certabo board.

Greetings Ingo

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[Shivkumar Shivaji]

Emulator allows people without a certabo board to develop for one. If Certabo themselves can publish an emulator, that would be great. Then people dont have to ship a Picochess contributor a big board from Italy in this Covid climate :(

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[Ingo3D]

Perhaps it would be a possibility for someone to contact a Cerbato employee.

I would just find it interesting to connect my DGT-Pi to my Certabo board.

I tried to convince Pietro from Certabo to port the DGT-Pi, but they do their own thing ...

Greetings Ingo

Am Montag, 11. Mai 2020 20:03:03 UTC+2 schrieb sshivaji:
Emulator allows people without a certabo board to develop for one. If Certabo themselves can publish an emulator, that would be great. Then people dont have to ship a Picochess contributor a big board from Italy in this Covid climate :(


Shiv

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[Ingo3D]

hello shiv, basically you are right, if I want to play with picochess, I take the excellent version of Jürgen with a DGT board, and if I want to play with the Certabo, I take the picochess version of Pietro with the 50 game versions from Al. Ingo

[Shivkumar Shivaji]

Where is the pietr picochess version? 

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hello shiv, basically you are right, if I want to play with picochess, I take the excellent version of Jürgen with a DGT board, and if I want to play with the Certabo, I take the picochess version of Pietro with the 50 game versions  from Al. Ingo

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[Santiago Torres]

I Have dgt, Millenium and certabo and have some basic programming skills. What I need is some guidance or I can help testing. Best regards.

[Ingo3D]

Hello Torres, nobody will help you here, because it is Certabo, just download the Certabo software for Raspberry Pi there: www.certabo.com/download/ and try to find out how the Certabo board is controlled and transmitted it on picochess, or better yet, just try the program. It's not that bad ... Greetings Ingo

[Shivkumar Shivaji]

Where is the code for "picochess version of Pietro with the 50 game versions" ?

That might be helpful.

Santiago, glad that you have all the toys!

Shiv

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Hello Torres, nobody will help you here, because it is Certabo, just download the Certabo software for Raspberry Pi there: www.certabo.com/download/ and try to find out how the Certabo board is controlled and transmitted  it on picochess, or better yet, just try the program.  It's not that bad ... Greetings Ingo

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[Ingo3D]

Hello Shiv and Santiago, I just received the following answer to my question about the connection of the DGT Pi / 3000 from Pietro in the Certabo Forum:




"Hello Ingo

We investigated a bit and the interface should be possible with the 3000.

Will keep posted in next week we put in pipe line.

Pietro"

So there is hope to be able to access the Certabo Board with picochess.

If you want to stay up to date, check out the Certabo Forum every now and then.

I'm looking forward to it. https://www.certabo.com/certabo-forum/topic/certabo-and-dgt3000-pi-clock/

Gruß Ingo

Am Dienstag, 12. Mai 2020 21:07:39 UTC+2 schrieb sshivaji:
Where is the code for "picochess version of Pietro with the 50 game versions" ?


That might be helpful.


Santiago, glad that you have all the toys!


Shiv

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Hello Torres, nobody will help you here, because it is Certabo, just download the Certabo software for Raspberry Pi there: www.certabo.com/download/ and try to find out how the Certabo board is controlled and transmitted it on picochess, or better yet, just try the program. It's not that bad ... Greetings Ingo

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