Young Chang Grand Age

[Terry Farrell]

I have a customer with a Weber piano made by Young Chang. She thinks it is about ten years old - maybe less. The serial number is TG0020876. My Pierce Atlas is 20 years old, so I’m not sure what the age of this piano is. If it is using Young Chang serial numbers, it was made in 1990. However I do see that YC made pianos in Tianjin, China starting in 1996 with serial numbers of T0001000. So maybe this is some sort of Chinese-made YC. Is the TG part of the serial number indicating a Tianjin Grand? If those Chinese serial numbers are being used on this piano, perhaps she is correct with the age.

Can anyone offer any good guidance?

Terry Farrell

[David Skolnik]

OK, so, sorry for being such a piss head, but if you can convince me that I'm the only one who is receiving posts from this list that have headers that  look like this:

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then I'll take my machine to the geeks at Microtech.  I may have to ask each one of those of you who have  been posting lately, which, in fact, is not that many.
Terry (not Terrance)?

David Skolnik



At 04:29 PM 6/2/2017, you wrote:

I have a customer with a Weber piano made by Young Chang. She thinks it is about ten years old - maybe less. The serial number is TG0020876. My Pierce Atlas is 20 years old, so I’m not sure what the age of this piano is. If it is using Young Chang serial numbers, it was made in 1990. However I do see that YC made pianos in Tianjin, China starting in 1996 with serial numbers of T0001000. So maybe this is some sort of Chinese-made YC. Is the TG part of the serial number indicating a Tianjin Grand? If those Chinese serial numbers are being used on this piano, perhaps she is correct with the age.

Can anyone offer any good guidance?

Terry Farrell

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[Allied PianoCraft]

David,

Not getting anything like that.

Al -

High Point, NC

Ps, this message is sent form my iPhone, to see if that changes anything.

[Fred Schwartz]

Terry,

 

Sorry, I don’t have an answer for you about the Weber.  Sorry your thread is being hijacked.

 

David Skolnik,

 

This is not anything that appears in either of my email programs unless I ask the program to show me the mail headers.  I suspect it is the same for others.

 

There is a setting screwed up in your computer, so please stop making it an issue with this list.  Just sort it out!

 

Don Mannino

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 

 

[Wim Blees]

Customers often don't know the real age of their piano.  Take what you know as the real age

Wim 

Sent from my iPhone

[David Skolnik]

Don -
This is not malevolent or obliviously inconsiderate hijacking... it's desperation. (and, as you see, I've un-hijacked the thread). And if some slightly greater number of folks had responded and said that they were not seeing what I was, then it might have been more obvious that the problem was in fact,  uniquely mine to 'sort out'.  I'm not terribly computer savy, but I WAS trying to be methodical.  I'm not sure I understand why, because YOUR two email programs were unaffected, I would have concluded that the problem was purely my own.  A bit more data sampling would be useful, even for this list.  In any case, is it possible that this list has NO tech help... someone who could actually suggest some useful solution attempts... and NO monitoring?    Well, I'd be greatful  for anything a little more directive than 'sort it out', anyone.

David Skolnik



At 05:48 PM 6/2/2017, you wrote:

Terry,
 
Sorry, I don’t have an answer for you about the Weber.  Sorry your thread is being hijacked.
 
David Skolnik,
 
This is not anything that appears in either of my email programs unless I ask the program to show me the mail headers.  I suspect it is the same for others.
 
There is a setting screwed up in your computer, so please stop making it an issue with this list.  Just sort it out!

I have a customer with a Weber piano made by Young Chang. She thinks it is about ten years old - maybe less. The serial number is TG0020876. My Pierce Atlas is 20 years old, so I’m not sure what the age of this piano is. If it is using Young Chang serial numbers, it was made in 1990. However I do see that YC made pianos in Tianjin, China starting in 1996 with serial numbers of T0001000. So maybe this is some sort of Chinese-made YC. Is the TG part of the serial number indicating a Tianjin Grand? If those Chinese serial numbers are being used on this piano, perhaps she is correct with the age.

Can anyone offer any good guidance?

Terry Farrell

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com
 
 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

[Joseph Garrett]

Terry & Wim,
In the "fine print" of the Atlas, it says that pianos made in Tianjin have the serial number starting with a "T" according to my 12th edition Atlas, the piano was, indeed, made in 2007. That would make it "10 years old".<G>
Hopefully, David has fixed his 'puter too.
Best,
Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Wim Blees' via pianotech
Sent: Jun 2, 2017 2:59 PM
To: pian...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [pianotech] Young Chang Grand Age

Customers often don't know the real age of their piano.  Take what you know as the real age

Wim 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2017, at 10:29 AM, Terry Farrell <farrellpi...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have a customer with a Weber piano made by Young Chang. She thinks it is about ten years old - maybe less. The serial number is TG0020876. My Pierce Atlas is 20 years old, so I’m not sure what the age of this piano is. If it is using Young Chang serial numbers, it was made in 1990. However I do see that YC made pianos in Tianjin, China starting in 1996 with serial numbers of T0001000. So maybe this is some sort of Chinese-made YC. Is the TG part of the serial number indicating a Tianjin Grand? If those Chinese serial numbers are being used on this piano, perhaps she is correct with the age.

Can anyone offer any good guidance?

Terry Farrell

Captain of the Tool Police
Squares R I
gpianoworks.com

[Terry Farrell]

Super - thanks Joe.

Terry Farrell

[Terry Farrell]

Well, that’s the problem, I don’t know the age. Although I think Joe has given me the information I was looking for.

Terry Farrell

[Jon Page]

David,

Read the posts on the web. 

[David Skolnik]

Jon -
Thank you.  I'll assume your intentions are of the highest order, however, I hope you can see where a post such as the one that Ben Bradley sent, and which I acknowledged, with appreciation, is more helpful than simply telling me to go to the web, which vastly underplays the complexity and frustration this issue can cause, to vast numbers, beyond myself.  What WOULD be extremely helpful might be for you to try to explain why you are among the very few whose email posts to the list are NOT displaying expanded headers.  I would truly appreciate that.
Thanks -

David Skolnik

At 12:15 PM 6/3/2017, you wrote:

David,

Read the posts on the web.Â

Virus-free. www.avast.com

[David Skolnik]

And, for the record, reading the post I just sent, the headers are now expanded, for me.
ds

[David Skolnik]

But apologies, again.  I didn't mean to perpetuate this discussion of Terry's subject line, so, if you do respond, please re-title or send privately. Thanks

At 12:33 PM 6/3/2017, you wrote:

[Jon Page]

I read and post from the googlegroups website page. Reading on the web is more convenient than pouring through e-mails. You can follow a tread easier too as they are fromatted as threads.

[David Skolnik]

Thanks Jon -
I'm sure I could probably learn how to navigate the web-based site, or at least play with it enough to see what is less than satisfying about it.  There's little point in extolling the virtues of my current system (as in - easy to move between date, subject and author views, as well as auto filtering into specific Pianotech@googlegroups folder), since, as good as it might be, its techno-days are numbered.

The alternative is to know everything and not feel the need to read the list.  I'll start working on that... soon.

Thanks -
David S

At 03:53 PM 6/3/2017, you wrote:

I read and post from the googlegroups website page. Reading on the web is more convenient than pouring through e-mails. You can follow a tread easier too as they are fromatted as threads.

On Saturday, June 3, 2017 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-4, davidskolnik wrote:

Jon -

Thank you.  I'll assume your intentions are of the highest order, however, I hope you can see where a post such as the one that Ben Bradley sent, and which I acknowledged, with appreciation, is more helpful than simply telling me to go to the web, which vastly underplays the complexity and frustration this issue can cause, to vast numbers, beyond myself.  What WOULD be extremely helpful might be for you to try to explain why you are among the very few whose email posts to the list are NOT displaying expanded headers.  I would truly appreciate that.

Thanks -

David Skolnik

At 12:15 PM 6/3/2017, you wrote:

David,

Read the posts on the web.Â

 Virus-free. www.avast.com

[Debra Legg]

David,

Most email providers give you the option of viewing collapsed or full headers.  The key will be finding that option within your email.  When I worked for an online security organization, victims were instructed how to find the full headers as those trace the route of the message.  This link explains a little. It may not help as it is for the solution to the reverse of your problem, but it may give you a few hints of where to start.   http://www.haltabuse.org/help/headers/index.shtml

Deb Legg