Re: [physionet-challenges] Digest for physionet-challenges@googlegroups.com - 1 update in 1 topic

[Matheus Araújo]

Hi,

Thank you so much for amazing challenge. We wrote a 4-page paper for the Cinc Preprint. Is the *extended* version for MedXiv expected to be different and longer than the preprint? Or can we submit the same version of cinc Preprint?

Best wishes

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Final scores, manuscript updates, and extended medRxiv preprints

PhysioNet Challenge <chal...@dbmi.emory.edu>: Sep 07 08:43AM -0700 Dear Challenge participants,   Thanks again for being part of this year's Challenge! We wanted to share three quick notices in the minutes immediately following the conclusion of CinC 2022:   1. The final scores and rankings will be sent out via the Google Group list and posted on the main physionetchallenges.org website in the next few days. (We still need to be absolutely sure that those who attended online and in person are ranked officially). We will also add these to our medRxiv preprint, but that will take several days longer to be approved.   2. As soon as you receive the results, please update your CinC manuscript to correctly describe your team's performance compared to the other teams, citing the final results that we report to you as the 'test' results. (Please search for the words train, validation, and test in your work and be absolutely sure that they refer to the public training, hidden validation, or hidden test results.)   3. Please review our guidance on the CinC manuscript template on our website as you revise your papers. Each year, we need to remind many teams to describe their and others' work accurately, to cite papers correctly, to describe their figures and tables clearly, and so on. Please save us the extra emails and yourselves the last-minute scramble to resubmit your paper!   4. Please don't forget to post an *extended* version of the paper in the preprint server medRxiv.org and announce the link to it via the Challenge Google Group so we can all begin to comment on and review it.   Thank you again for participating - you are the most important part of the Challenges! Congratulations, too, to the winning teams!   We hope to see you next year in Atlanta next year! (The next Challenge will be announced in the coming months.)   All the best from Finland, Gari and Matt (On behalf of the Challenge team.)   Please post questions and comments in the forum. However, if your question reveals information about your entry, then please email info at physionetchallenge.org. We may post parts of our reply publicly if we feel that all Challengers should benefit from it. We will not answer emails about the Challenge to any other address. This email is maintained by a group. Please do not email us individually.

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[PhysioNet Challenge]

Dear Matheus,

Thank you for your kinds words about the Challenge! To clarify, we would like you to write two separate but similar publications: a 4-page CinC paper and a longer, more informative, and more reflective paper about your work, which is easier to do when you can write much more than 4 pages.

First, please finish your 4-page CinC paper as soon as we send the final results and upload your final paper to Softconf by 23 Sept. 2025:
https://www.softconf.com/m/cinc2022/

We will review your paper and ensure there are no errors, accidental misrepresentations about rankings or performance, missing key references, wasted space describing the Challenge, etc. After this paper has been approved, it will appear online at CinC.org as an open-access article, and be copied into IEEE Xplore, where it will receive a DOI. This takes 2-6 months. Since we (and I'm sure you) are keen to see your analysis as soon as possible and begin the conversion to a journal article, we have a second request ...

Second, after your 4-page CinC paper is accepted for publication in the conference proceedings, we hope that you will add more background, references, methods, results, and a deeper reflection on what you learned at the conference. Please reference each other's CinC articles, as well as the articles describing the Challenge. When you have a coherent extended version ready -- this could be just a few days, or even a few weeks of work, depending on how much you want to extend the research -- please post it in medRxiv. Once it is accepted, which usually takes a day or two, please post a link to the article on the Challenge forum (this Google Group) with the title and abstract and encourage the community to review it at medRxiv.

We will select the best articles (with the best reviews) for a focus issue later in 2022. In this case, the "best" articles are defined as thorough, with good answers from the authors to review questions and comments. A good answer isn't dismissive, but takes the comment seriously. If you think that a reviewer has misunderstood your text, then it's your fault, not theirs -- take their misunderstanding as an opportunity to add clarifications to the body of the manuscript, figures and tables, captions, etc. to address their comments. I would expect that we'd see 2-3 versions of the preprint over a period of several weeks or months (depending on the volume of reviews). It's up to you to decide when to respond to comments and update the manuscript, but the commenting facility of medRxiv should allow for a relatively dynamic back and forth between authors and reviewers.

We hope you find this new approach to be a breath of fresh air that both improves the quality and speed of the articles and the reviews!

It also means your accepted article will be free to access in its final form the moment it is accepted, and you can link the preprint to the final article to ensure the article and preprint attract as many citations as they deserve, and can be joined easily in Google Scholar and other citation trackers.

Best,

Gari and Matt
(On behalf of the Challenge team.)

Please post questions and comments in the forum. However, if your question reveals information about your entry, then please email info at physionetchallenge.org. We may post parts of our reply publicly if we feel that all Challengers should benefit from it. We will not answer emails about the Challenge to any other address. This email is maintained by a group. Please do not email us individually.