Open Data Catalog -- what's the vision?
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Aaron
Sep 23, 2011, 12:32:11 AM9/23/11
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Joe di Stefano got in contact with me. He asked a few questions about
the project that I couldn't provide good answers for, so I thought I'd
forward them on to the group, for Andrew and others to answer:
"I'm curious to know what the vision is for the project, what the
goals are locally, who "owns" it and what their interests are."
To give a little more definition to this, I think we're both looking
for some pointers to inform the design and functionality of the site.
For instance, should we keep the general layout and features of Open
Data Philly? Anything that should be added or removed? What about
content for the broken links (About/FAQ/Useful Links/Contact/Terms)?
Again, for reference, the default install is up at:
http://catalog.phxdata.org/
the project that I couldn't provide good answers for, so I thought I'd
forward them on to the group, for Andrew and others to answer:
"I'm curious to know what the vision is for the project, what the
goals are locally, who "owns" it and what their interests are."
To give a little more definition to this, I think we're both looking
for some pointers to inform the design and functionality of the site.
For instance, should we keep the general layout and features of Open
Data Philly? Anything that should be added or removed? What about
content for the broken links (About/FAQ/Useful Links/Contact/Terms)?
Again, for reference, the default install is up at:
http://catalog.phxdata.org/
Longcreative
Sep 23, 2011, 1:11:39 PM9/23/11
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I think the vision was to just get it up and running. Demo over memos.
Really not seeing enough activity here to warrant much more. Maybe I'm
wrong?
Really not seeing enough activity here to warrant much more. Maybe I'm
wrong?
Heather Billings
Sep 23, 2011, 3:17:51 PM9/23/11
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Ouch, sorry I never got around to making this pretty. Been moving/starting a new job/generally crazy. Still totally willing to do it if y'all are interested. Could start Monday.
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Longcreative
Sep 23, 2011, 3:25:13 PM9/23/11
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It wasn't a dig on you. We totally understood your situation. I think
I was talking about that this list is 95+....
On Sep 23, 12:17 pm, Heather Billings <heatherjaybilli...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I was talking about that this list is 95+....
On Sep 23, 12:17 pm, Heather Billings <heatherjaybilli...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Ouch, sorry I never got around to making this pretty. Been moving/starting a
> new job/generally crazy. Still totally willing to do it if y'all are
> interested. Could start Monday.
>
> Heather Billings
> News apps developer, Chicago Tribune
> Phone: (559)259-4928
> Twitter: @hbillings
>
> new job/generally crazy. Still totally willing to do it if y'all are
> interested. Could start Monday.
>
> Heather Billings
> News apps developer, Chicago Tribune
> Phone: (559)259-4928
> Twitter: @hbillings
>
Aaron
Sep 23, 2011, 4:35:15 PM9/23/11
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Well, it is technically up and running.
Longcreative
Sep 23, 2011, 4:40:48 PM9/23/11
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Yes. Thank you.
Brian Shaler
Sep 23, 2011, 4:42:06 PM9/23/11
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> I think I was talking about that this list is 95+....
You're one of them, aren't you Andrew? ;-3)While "if you build it, they will come" sounds great and all, these kinds of efforts generally need to be bootstrapped. Got any data to catalog?
Thanks,
- Brian
Sent from Berlin, Germany
Yes. Thank you.
Mark Ng
Sep 23, 2011, 4:48:07 PM9/23/11
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We should have a session soon in which a couple of us fill this
service thing up with stuff. I've not organised a PHXData session in a
while, which has been a function of how busy my life is right now.
Anyone else want to step up and organise ? Otherwise I'll do it next
week..
service thing up with stuff. I've not organised a PHXData session in a
while, which has been a function of how busy my life is right now.
Anyone else want to step up and organise ? Otherwise I'll do it next
week..
Mark
Longcreative
Sep 23, 2011, 4:50:38 PM9/23/11
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Yes..Brian, I am. Your point?
Just looking for someone to put some images and shit in the app so we
can see what the fuck it does. Then you can bootstrap and VISION to
your hearts content.
a.
On Sep 23, 1:42 pm, Brian Shaler <briansha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think I was talking about that this list is 95+....
>
> You're one of them, aren't you Andrew? ;-3)
>
> While "if you build it, they will come" sounds great and all, these kinds of
> efforts generally need to be bootstrapped. Got any data to catalog?
>
> Thanks,
> - Brian
>
> Sent from Berlin, Germany
>
Just looking for someone to put some images and shit in the app so we
can see what the fuck it does. Then you can bootstrap and VISION to
your hearts content.
a.
On Sep 23, 1:42 pm, Brian Shaler <briansha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think I was talking about that this list is 95+....
>
> You're one of them, aren't you Andrew? ;-3)
>
> While "if you build it, they will come" sounds great and all, these kinds of
> efforts generally need to be bootstrapped. Got any data to catalog?
>
> Thanks,
> - Brian
>
> Sent from Berlin, Germany
>
Brian Shaler
Sep 23, 2011, 4:57:32 PM9/23/11
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Longcreative
Sep 23, 2011, 5:00:30 PM9/23/11
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Thanks.
Sent from PHOENIX, Arizona.
On Sep 23, 1:57 pm, Brian Shaler <briansha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's what it does:http://opendataphilly.org/ideas/
>
> Thanks,
> - Brian
>
> Sent from Berlin, Germany
>
Sent from PHOENIX, Arizona.
On Sep 23, 1:57 pm, Brian Shaler <briansha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's what it does:http://opendataphilly.org/ideas/
>
> Thanks,
> - Brian
>
> Sent from Berlin, Germany
>
James Fee
Sep 23, 2011, 5:01:32 PM9/23/11
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I'm going to lead a session at WhereCampPHX next week on OpenDataPHX (or whatever we want to call it). I'd just assume use what we have here to get the discussion going.
We'll have 125+ geogeeks who could start uploading data right away. That's an opportunity we can't miss.
Longcreative
Sep 23, 2011, 5:09:36 PM9/23/11
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Should it really be on your shoulders? I really don't see the point of
all this if people aren't going to get involved.
On Sep 23, 1:48 pm, Mark Ng <m...@markng.me.uk> wrote:
> We should have a session soon in which a couple of us fill this
> service thing up with stuff. I've not organised a PHXData session in a
> while, which has been a function of how busy my life is right now.
> Anyone else want to step up and organise ? Otherwise I'll do it next
> week..
>
> Mark
>
all this if people aren't going to get involved.
On Sep 23, 1:48 pm, Mark Ng <m...@markng.me.uk> wrote:
> We should have a session soon in which a couple of us fill this
> service thing up with stuff. I've not organised a PHXData session in a
> while, which has been a function of how busy my life is right now.
> Anyone else want to step up and organise ? Otherwise I'll do it next
> week..
>
> Mark
>
> On 23 September 2011 13:42, Brian Shaler <briansha...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> I think I was talking about that this list is 95+....
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> > You're one of them, aren't you Andrew? ;-3)
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> > While "if you build it, they will come" sounds great and all, these kinds of
> > efforts generally need to be bootstrapped. Got any data to catalog?
>
> > Thanks,
> > - Brian
>
> > Sent from Berlin, Germany
>
> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Longcreative <longcreat...@gmail.com>
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> >> I think I was talking about that this list is 95+....
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> > You're one of them, aren't you Andrew? ;-3)
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> > While "if you build it, they will come" sounds great and all, these kinds of
> > efforts generally need to be bootstrapped. Got any data to catalog?
>
> > Thanks,
> > - Brian
>
> > Sent from Berlin, Germany
>
Michael Benner
Sep 23, 2011, 5:17:09 PM9/23/11
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Any good open source project will have one "monarch" in the beginning to drive the project and provide focus and vision. From this others that participate will step up and be able to offset that time and energy. The "build it and they will come" is a fallacy, just like the overnight startup success. One person needs to take the lead on this and drive it.
Help someone like me, who would get involved and help if I had a clear path of something I could actually contribute as the general vision is not something I am passionate enough about to get involved without that.
Mike
Longcreative
Sep 23, 2011, 5:56:03 PM9/23/11
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Let's step back a bit here. I said. Hey...this data catalog
code...it's open...let's build this. Five people responded positively,
three offered to help. One did. I provided server space, talked to the
owners of the code and did some searching for a designer. Data would
be great....that's the POINT. I appreciate that "build it and they
will come" is a fallacy...but really we built it for what...the five
of us?
Vision is great. Let's set up a time and place to talk about it. While
we are on vision. Can we change the website? We never meet twice a
month. Mark Ng is the only pushing for meeting and I haven't seen Marc
Chung involved in a long time.
Should we have ONE meeting a month...with other events when we want
them. I'm up for hosting another BBQ...if people want to come work on
the data catalog. I had a great time building the boundary service.
Also....we'd have to work around his schedule but Steve Doig has
offered to teach some Census stuff if anyone is interested.
code...it's open...let's build this. Five people responded positively,
three offered to help. One did. I provided server space, talked to the
owners of the code and did some searching for a designer. Data would
be great....that's the POINT. I appreciate that "build it and they
will come" is a fallacy...but really we built it for what...the five
of us?
Vision is great. Let's set up a time and place to talk about it. While
we are on vision. Can we change the website? We never meet twice a
month. Mark Ng is the only pushing for meeting and I haven't seen Marc
Chung involved in a long time.
Should we have ONE meeting a month...with other events when we want
them. I'm up for hosting another BBQ...if people want to come work on
the data catalog. I had a great time building the boundary service.
Also....we'd have to work around his schedule but Steve Doig has
offered to teach some Census stuff if anyone is interested.
Austin Godber
Sep 23, 2011, 5:58:49 PM9/23/11
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Creating an account fails, see attachment.
Can't add data.
The code is in github IIRC, I will inspect that this weekend and see about changing the Philly's to PHX or something equally simple just to get started.
Austin
Mark Ng
Sep 23, 2011, 6:04:18 PM9/23/11
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On 23 September 2011 14:56, Longcreative <longcr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Should we have ONE meeting a month...with other events when we want
> them. I'm up for hosting another BBQ...if people want to come work on
> the data catalog. I had a great time building the boundary service.
> Also....we'd have to work around his schedule but Steve Doig has
> offered to teach some Census stuff if anyone is interested.
>
> Should we have ONE meeting a month...with other events when we want
> them. I'm up for hosting another BBQ...if people want to come work on
> the data catalog. I had a great time building the boundary service.
> Also....we'd have to work around his schedule but Steve Doig has
> offered to teach some Census stuff if anyone is interested.
Lets get cut down to one meeting a month, and lets have a show of
hands for census stuff. If a bunch of you are interested, let's ask
Steve to give us some good days for him - he's already expressed
willingness to me previously..
Brian kindly put the PHXdata site in github a while back :
https://github.com/phxdata/PHXdata-Website - if someone wants to fork
that and change it to reflect that we don't meet twice a month
anymore, that'd be great. If no-one gets to it, I will this weekend.
:)
Mark
Mark Ng
Sep 23, 2011, 6:05:56 PM9/23/11
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On 23 September 2011 15:04, Mark Ng <ma...@markng.me.uk> wrote:
> Brian kindly put the PHXdata site in github a while back :
> https://github.com/phxdata/PHXdata-Website - if someone wants to fork
> that and change it to reflect that we don't meet twice a month
> anymore, that'd be great. If no-one gets to it, I will this weekend.
> :)
> Brian kindly put the PHXdata site in github a while back :
> https://github.com/phxdata/PHXdata-Website - if someone wants to fork
> that and change it to reflect that we don't meet twice a month
> anymore, that'd be great. If no-one gets to it, I will this weekend.
> :)
Speaking of which, should we just move the site to use github sites?
I seem to recall that Brian said that the server he has it hosted on
was soon to become an ex-parrot.
Mark
Longcreative
Sep 23, 2011, 6:09:48 PM9/23/11
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Awesome...thanks.
On Sep 23, 2:58 pm, Austin Godber <god...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Creating an account fails, see attachment.
>
> Can't add data.
>
> The code is in github IIRC, I will inspect that this weekend and see about
> changing the Philly's to PHX or something equally simple just to get
> started.
>
> Austin
>
> Screen shot 2011-09-23 at 2.55.29 PM.png
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On Sep 23, 2:58 pm, Austin Godber <god...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Creating an account fails, see attachment.
>
> Can't add data.
>
> The code is in github IIRC, I will inspect that this weekend and see about
> changing the Philly's to PHX or something equally simple just to get
> started.
>
> Austin
>
> 285KViewDownload
Marc Chung
Sep 23, 2011, 8:19:41 PM9/23/11
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Andrew,
I love the idea of an open data catalog, but in my opinion these type
of grassroots initiative would be best supported with actual
involvement from the local agencies who are responsible for cataloging
and releasing the data (basically doing all the hard work, and believe
me, it is hard work). To that end, I'm approaching this issue by
working with local state agencies. It's my *hope* that this will
impact the state of OpenGov in Arizona in a big way.
I might not run meetings (Thank You Mark Ng) and I'm not stepping up
to drive this open data catalog, but I can assure you that I am still
very interested in PhxData and OpenGov within Arizona.
- Marc
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Longcreative <longcr...@gmail.com> wrote:
Longcreative
Sep 23, 2011, 8:33:07 PM9/23/11
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Wow, Marc Chung is real.
I love the idea of local agencies being involved, but that doesn't
mean you have to stop doing things until they are involved. Who are
you working with? What have they said?
I never said you weren't interested...I just never see you around.
I love the idea of local agencies being involved, but that doesn't
mean you have to stop doing things until they are involved. Who are
you working with? What have they said?
I never said you weren't interested...I just never see you around.
Mark Ng
Sep 23, 2011, 8:36:20 PM9/23/11
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> On Sep 23, 5:19 pm, Marc Chung <mch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> me, it is hard work). To that end, I'm approaching this issue by
>> working with local state agencies. It's my *hope* that this will
>> impact the state of OpenGov in Arizona in a big way.
>> me, it is hard work). To that end, I'm approaching this issue by
>> working with local state agencies. It's my *hope* that this will
>> impact the state of OpenGov in Arizona in a big way.
How much more headway are you getting ? I was really pleased with the
conversations that happened around CityCamp, but not sure what
happened to Apps for Arizona (is that still going to be a thing ?).
Is there anything the group can do to help ?
Mark
James Fee
Sep 23, 2011, 10:29:41 PM9/23/11
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Looking at the attendee list for WhereCampPHX I see a ton of .gov
emails. Opportunity to build on CityCamp.
emails. Opportunity to build on CityCamp.
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Aaron
Sep 24, 2011, 2:58:32 AM9/24/11
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github sites seems like a no-brainer for any site without dynamic
content. Phxdata would fit in that category.
On Sep 23, 3:05 pm, Mark Ng <m...@markng.me.uk> wrote:
content. Phxdata would fit in that category.
On Sep 23, 3:05 pm, Mark Ng <m...@markng.me.uk> wrote:
> On 23 September 2011 15:04, Mark Ng <m...@markng.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > Brian kindly put the PHXdata site in github a while back :
> >https://github.com/phxdata/PHXdata-Website- if someone wants to fork
>
> > Brian kindly put the PHXdata site in github a while back :
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