Red and Blue Street Signs??
Hank Eisenstein
"Ghetto Stephanie" <Stepha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> hi, i was driving somewhere one day and noticed some very unusual red and
> blue local street signs, instead of the traditional green:
>
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/sjwinter9/signs2.html
>
> do other municipalities have such signs, or perhaps different colors?? I
was
> so amazed by this, being so used to the boring green, that i had to take
> pictures.
>
In New York City, the signs used to be different colors in each boro.
Staten Island was black on yellow, Brooklyn was white on black, Queens was
blue on white, the Bronx white on blue, and Manhattan white on green. Now
most signs are white on green (and reflective), but SOME Manhattan signs are
white on blue (midtown) or white on black (downtown). Historic districts
get white on brown, and if the street has an honorary name, TWO signs, one
with the legal street name white on green, and a second, usually placed
above, that has the honorary name in white on blue.
-Hank
Justin
"Hank Eisenstein" <ni...@quuxuum.org> wrote in message
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Some Dallas suburbs use different colored street signs to tell you which
suburb you're in.
Farmers Branch - red
Addison - blue
Dallas - green
etc etc...
My favorite local street signs are from Dawson, TX. It's a small town east
of Waco - they use this safety orange color with brown text. It stands out a
lot better than you'd think...
Justin
www.jcozart.com
Jonathan Lebowitz (was: SHYGUYJL)
"Hank Eisenstein" <ni...@quuxuum.org> wrote in message
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>
Suffolk County uses white on blue street signs everywhere.
JL
http://www.mysticmobius.com/liroads
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>
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Red - Abington Township
Blue - Radnor Township
Matt
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> Also, does anybody know in what towns these pictures were taken?
>
> S.
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Patrick L. Humphrey
>hi, i was driving somewhere one day and noticed some very unusual red and
>blue local street signs, instead of the traditional green:
>
>http://mywebpages.comcast.net/sjwinter9/signs2.html
>do other municipalities have such signs, or perhaps different colors?? I was
>so amazed by this, being so used to the boring green, that i had to take
>pictures.
What's so unusual about white on red signs? Two Houston suburbs use them --
Bellaire and Stafford. (Bellaire has the large ones for the major
thoroughfares that pass through the city -- I-610, Bellaire, South Rice, and
Chimney Rock.) There's nothing particularly unique about white on blue,
either -- a number of Houston suburbs use them, too. If you want one a little
different, try Missoursi City, whose signs are blue on the left and red on the
right.
>Also, does anybody know in what towns these pictures were taken?
They're on YOUR pages and you don't know ehere they were taken?
Either you're clueless, or you're lifting them off someone else's pages. Take
your pick.
--PLH, thanks for the admission, either way
steve the magnificent and poisonous
>
> Staten Island was black on yellow, Brooklyn was white on black, Queens was
> blue on white, the Bronx white on blue, and Manhattan white on green. Now
> most signs are white on green (and reflective), but SOME Manhattan signs are
> white on blue (midtown) or white on black (downtown). Historic districts
> get white on brown, and if the street has an honorary name, TWO signs, one
> with the legal street name white on green, and a second, usually placed
> above, that has the honorary name in white on blue.
> -Hank
Manhattan used to be black on yellow as well quite long ago (I
remember these signs from my childhood, as well as old white on brown
that are now replaced). Many suburbs are still converting in NJ -
Bloomfield was white on blue, Livingston still has white on black and
black on white, and Glen Ridge still may be black on white, for
example.
Kevin Flynn
Historic street names in Easton PA are posted with white-on-red.
Jeff Kitsko
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"Ghetto Stephanie" <Stepha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:akcu7j$vhi$1...@netnews.upenn.edu...
> hi, i was driving somewhere one day and noticed some very unusual red and
> blue local street signs, instead of the traditional green:
>
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/sjwinter9/signs2.html
>
> do other municipalities have such signs, or perhaps different colors?? I
was
> so amazed by this, being so used to the boring green, that i had to take
> pictures.
>
> Also, does anybody know in what towns these pictures were taken?
>
> S.
>
> "Everyone went from a skateboard look to the thug thing this year..."
> --Rocco McDonnell
>
>
Travis Turner
town pride or whatever or a city change. In the Tulsa area: Broken Arrow
has all blue signs, Tulsa uses red signs to indicate a dead end street. In
Oklahoma City; OKC and Edmond uses White on Green, Bethany, Midwest City and
The Village uses White on Blue, Nichols Hills uses White on Brown, Norman
and Del City uses White on Red. Also smaller cities such as Porter and
Shawnee (white on blue), Okemah (black on yellow). Those are just a few I
know off hand from Okla. C
ourse even when a city has a scheme, the state will come in, install a
traffic light and put its Green and white signs on the traffic light which
normally look ugly. Mainly saying things such as SH 74 instead of just
putting the name everyone knows it by.
US71
Crawford County, Arkansas uses Blue (sometimes Green) to mark their
county road names and red for private roads.
Benton County uses green for public roads and blue for private roads.
Exile on Market Street
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> "Hank Eisenstein" <ni...@quuxuum.org> wrote in message
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> >
> > In New York City, the signs used to be different colors in each boro.
> > Staten Island was black on yellow, Brooklyn was white on black, Queens was
> > blue on white, the Bronx white on blue, and Manhattan white on green.
>
> Manhattan used to be black on yellow as well quite long ago (I
> remember these signs from my childhood, as well as old white on brown
> that are now replaced).
That is also the color scheme I remember first seeing in Manhattan. Also,
Manhattan street signs displayed the name of the street you were on in
smaller letters beneath the name of the cross street until the late 1960s.
I've only seen signs with this information in one other place -- Fitchburg,
Mass.
I also STR that the color combination for what was then Richmond was black
on white.
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Cherryvale, Kansas, uses white-on-red. Many counties (in Kansas) use
white-on-blue for their E-911 street signs. Some cities and towns
(Uniontown, KS; LeRoy, KS) have blue-on-white street signs. Iola, KS has
used white-on-black for at least 20 years.
S.E.N.
The challenge around here now is to find a town that still uses
black-on-white.
Roch, NY Roadgeek
around it use green. One suburb (Webster) uses blue also, and another
(Irondequoit) uses green on its main streets and white signs with black
lettering on the side streets.
"Ghetto Stephanie" <Stepha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:akcu7j$vhi$1...@netnews.upenn.edu...
> hi, i was driving somewhere one day and noticed some very unusual red and
> blue local street signs, instead of the traditional green:
>
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/sjwinter9/signs2.html
>
> do other municipalities have such signs, or perhaps different colors?? I
was
> so amazed by this, being so used to the boring green, that i had to take
> pictures.
>
Matthew Mitchell
"Ghetto Stephanie" <Stepha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>hi, i was driving somewhere one day and noticed some very unusual red and
>blue local street signs, instead of the traditional green:
Red: Abington, PA
Blue with yellow lettering: Cheltenham, PA
They're the respective township (and school) colors.
And if you want something more mind-blowing, visit Rockledge borough
(carved out of Abington), where the signs are red & white with blue poles.
Other ones of interest include Lower Merion (cast iron, or some other
material--dark green with yellow lettering).
Regina Litman
>
> hi, i was driving somewhere one day and noticed some very unusual red and
> blue local street signs, instead of the traditional green:
>
>
> do other municipalities have such signs, or perhaps different colors?? I was
> so amazed by this, being so used to the boring green, that i had to take
> pictures.
Stephanie, all you have to do is drive out to the suburbs of
Philadelphia and see some distinctive street signs.
Abington has white on red. Red, red signs, go to my head, don't let me
forget, we still need them so.
Lower Merion, where you seem to spend much of your time, used to have
these old fashioned type of street signs made out of what looked like
some molded metal. I don't know if there are any left. And even though I
was in Lower Merion earlier today, I can't tell you what color their
signs are now!
While we're talking about Main Line jurisdictions, Radnor Township has
white on a dark blue. They are very much like the ones in Rockville, MD
(county seat of Montgomery County).
XMetroMan
wrote:
Around here (most show only the side streets and not the main street
the side street is connected to, but that's another thread for another
time):
Taunton, Middleborough - White on Red
Attleboro - White on Blue
Raynham - Black on White
Norton, Lakeville, Rehoboth - White on Green
Seekonk - White on Blue (new), White on Green (old)
XMetroMan
<drp...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>Rochester, NY uses blue signs within the city limits, and most of the towns
>around it use green. One suburb (Webster) uses blue also, and another
>(Irondequoit) uses green on its main streets and white signs with black
>lettering on the side streets.
Towns around here: side streets: variable (white on green, red or
blue, or black on white - depends on town); main streets: invisible
ink on clear :)
John R Cambron
Ghetto Stephanie wrote:
>
> hi, i was driving somewhere one day and noticed some very unusual red and
> blue local street signs, instead of the traditional green:
>
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/sjwinter9/signs2.html
>
> do other municipalities have such signs, or perhaps different colors?? I was
> so amazed by this, being so used to the boring green, that i had to take
> pictures.
>
> Also, does anybody know in what towns these pictures were taken?
Most of the signs in Maryland are green on white with a some
variations in the type set used. One notable variation are the
signs in Howard County, these signs white on blue with a white
border and are printed on blanks that have an aseptic ratio of
3 X 5 and use 2 lines of text to display the street name. The
signs are always attached to the sign post like a flag.
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Chesapeake Beach Maryland has started using italics on there
white on green signs.
Farfax County Virginia uses white on blue exclusively, most of
the incorporated municipalities within Farfax County use white
on green. Arlington County Virginia uses black on white
exclusively.
When I visited my brother when he was stationed at Tinker Air
Force Base east of Oklahoma City Oklahoma the little community
of Dell City across the street from the base the signs were
white on red and are similar to the signs shown at
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/sjwinter9/sign-red-big.jpg
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Matthew Russotto
Regina Litman <rsli...@infi.net> wrote:
>
>Lower Merion, where you seem to spend much of your time, used to have
>these old fashioned type of street signs made out of what looked like
>some molded metal. I don't know if there are any left. And even though I
>was in Lower Merion earlier today, I can't tell you what color their
>signs are now!
I've seen a few of those in Lower Providence of well. Near unreadable.
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John R Cambron <*camb...@Chesapeake.net*> wrote:
>
>Most of the signs in Maryland are green on white with a some
>variations in the type set used. One notable variation are the
>signs in Howard County, these signs white on blue with a white
>border and are printed on blanks that have an aseptic ratio of
>3 X 5 and use 2 lines of text to display the street name. The
>signs are always attached to the sign post like a flag.
>
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> | |
> | |
Isn't this Columbia only?
US71
> The challenge around here now is to find a town that still uses
> black-on-white.
I think Roswell, NM still does (or did in places as of 2 years ago).
Oh, and Polk County, AR uses white posts with black lettering painted on.
Pat O'Connell
Older parts of Indianapolis used to have black or white (and much
older black on yellow) signs. You would see them mostly on
neighborhood streets, often attached to light poles.
Doug Weasner should take a little road trip to see if these signs
still exist.
--
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Kill nothing but vandals...
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I can go one better -- even though they were officially dropped from use
decades ago, there are still a few spots in near-west and southwest Houston
neighborhoods that have the old concrete obelisks with the street name
engraved on all four faces of the obelisk. (There are a cluster of them in
the area between the Rice University campus and the Southwest Freeway about a
mile to the north, and they're slowly going away as the result of
redevelopment, vandalism, or good old-fashioned driver error.) Ironically,
their replacements -- the old painted white-on-dark blue signs that were the
city's standard until the current white-on-green signs were phased in in the
late 1960s -- are almost impossible to still find standing.
--PLH, who can't remember seeing one of the old blue ones any more recently
than about five years ago
Hank Eisenstein
"Exile on Market Street" <smi...@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote in message
news:smiths-ya02408000...@netnews.upenn.edu...
> In article <919cc57.02082...@posting.google.com>,
> zoning...@yahoo.com (steve the magnificent and poisonous) wrote:
>
> > "Hank Eisenstein" <ni...@quuxuum.org> wrote in message
> news:<mDna9.8492$c7.31...@twister.nyc.rr.com>...
> > >
> > > In New York City, the signs used to be different colors in each boro.
> > > Staten Island was black on yellow, Brooklyn was white on black, Queens
was
> > > blue on white, the Bronx white on blue, and Manhattan white on green.
> >
> > Manhattan used to be black on yellow as well quite long ago (I
> > remember these signs from my childhood, as well as old white on brown
> > that are now replaced).
>
> That is also the color scheme I remember first seeing in Manhattan. Also,
> Manhattan street signs displayed the name of the street you were on in
> smaller letters beneath the name of the cross street until the late 1960s.
> I've only seen signs with this information in one other place --
Fitchburg,
> Mass.
>
> I also STR that the color combination for what was then Richmond was black
> on white.
I've never seen any of those combinations. I moved to Staten Island in
1979, and the signs have always been black on yellow here. There are still
a few, and basing upon that I would have expected to find some of the type
you describe. Historic Richmondtown has cast signs that are black on white,
but those date to the 20s and 30s, according to the curators.
I can't recall anything about Manhattan, knowing what street I was on there
wasn't all that important back then.
-Hank
Allen Wone
Bruce B. Reynolds
<Stepha...@hotmail.com> writes:
>what i want to know is why, as you drive south on PA 611, they go from red
>in Abington, then to regular green (or is it blue?), then back to red
>again?? Do you pass through Abington twice??
>
Yes. The green signs are Jenkintown, which is a hole-in-the-doughnut
municipality surrounded by Abington Township.
--
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Exile on Market Street
<pdcor...@hotspammail.com> wrote:
And "here" is where? Nothing in your message or e-mail ID gives us any clue.
Exile on Market Street
us...@angelfire.com (US71) wrote:
That style of street sign is much rarer now. St. Joseph, Mo., used to use
white posts with black lettering; I wonder if it still does.
About the only place I've seen street signs of this type anywhere near
Philadelphia is in Seaside Park, N.J.
Haddonfield, NJ, also uses white signs with black lettering. NJDOT also
respects Haddonfield's color scheme on its traffic-light mast arm signs,
which are normally white on green.
Exile on Market Street
<Stepha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yep, Radnor is very well known! they have those gigantic logos o the I-476
> overpasses on Bryn Mawr Ave. and on Lancaster Ave.! I used to think these
> were the logos of Villanova, since Penn has a similar thing on the overpass
> on Spruce St. as you enter the campus. It says "Univ. of Pennsylvania" i
> think
The name is spelled out in full, with the University arms next to it.
You may see this bridge on the CBS TV series "Hack" sometime this fall.
The overpass on Walnut also has this painted on it. The ones over
Chestnut, Market and JFK Blvd are painted with the Drexel dragon and
Drexel's name (gold letters on lighter blue).
> BTW, what is this overpass? Is it a railroad?
Yes -- the West Philadelphia High Line, built by the PRR as a bypass for
freight trains to avoid the West Philadelphia station and the junction for
the tracks that led into Broad Street Station. CSX freight trains still
use this viaduct, which also leads to the rail line over 29th St in South
Philly that serves Greenwich Yard.
steve the magnificent and poisonous
> In article <919cc57.02082...@posting.google.com>,
> zoning...@yahoo.com (steve the magnificent and poisonous) wrote:
>
> > Manhattan used to be black on yellow as well quite long ago (I
> > remember these signs from my childhood, as well as old white on brown
> > that are now replaced).
>
> That is also the color scheme I remember first seeing in Manhattan. Also,
> Manhattan street signs displayed the name of the street you were on in
> smaller letters beneath the name of the cross street until the late 1960s.
> I've only seen signs with this information in one other place -- Fitchburg,
> Mass.
grid-aligned Western states.
Daniel Davis
"steve the magnificent and poisonous" <zoning...@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:919cc57.02082...@posting.google.com...
> These are prevalent in SoCal, and I believe in Utah and other
> grid-aligned Western states.
I've never seen that. I still consider street signs that lack numbers to be
next to worthless though.
Daniel
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XMetroMan
Market Street) wrote:
>In article <2vmlmu8u9me21t2os...@4ax.com>, XMetroMan
><pdcor...@hotspammail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:51:21 GMT, "Roch, NY Roadgeek"
>> <drp...@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Rochester, NY uses blue signs within the city limits, and most of the towns
>> >around it use green. One suburb (Webster) uses blue also, and another
>> >(Irondequoit) uses green on its main streets and white signs with black
>> >lettering on the side streets.
>>
>> Towns around here: side streets: variable (white on green, red or
>> blue, or black on white - depends on town); main streets: invisible
>> ink on clear :)
>
>And "here" is where? Nothing in your message or e-mail ID gives us any clue.
Sorry...S.E. Mass. The invisible ink on clear applies to most places
east of the Berkshires.
John R Cambron
Matthew Russotto wrote:
>
> In article <umln1e5...@corp.supernews.com>,
> John R Cambron <*camb...@Chesapeake.net*> wrote:
> >
> >Most of the signs in Maryland are green on white with a some
> >variations in the type set used. One notable variation are the
> >signs in Howard County, these signs white on blue with a white
> >border and are printed on blanks that have an aseptic ratio of
> >3 X 5 and use 2 lines of text to display the street name. The
> >signs are always attached to the sign post like a flag.
> >
> > ---
> > | |---------------
> > | || Broken Land |
> > | || Parkway |
> > | |---------------
> > | |
> > | |
> > | |
>
> Isn't this Columbia only?
Nope, all of the street signs in all of Howard County.
Some may be white on green but all have the same type design.
Matthew Mitchell
pat...@eris.io.com (Patrick L. Humphrey) wrote:
>there are still a few spots in near-west and southwest Houston
>neighborhoods that have the old concrete obelisks with the street name
>engraved on all four faces of the obelisk.
There are similar wooden obelisks in some residential areas King of Prussia
along Valley Forge Road east of the mall area at cross sts. like General
Knox.
Matthew Mitchell
smi...@pobox.upenn.edu (Exile on Market Street) wrote:
>Yes -- the West Philadelphia High Line, built by the PRR as a bypass for
>freight trains to avoid the West Philadelphia station and the junction for
>the tracks that led into Broad Street Station. CSX freight trains still
>use this viaduct, which also leads to the rail line over 29th St in South
>Philly that serves Greenwich Yard.
Actually, that's Norfolk Southern trackage, IIRC, part of its Harrisburg
Line. CSX is on the Center City side of the river.
Matthew Mitchell
bbrey...@aol.comedxedl (Bruce B. Reynolds) wrote:
>In article <akflt8$pio$1...@netnews.upenn.edu>, "Ghetto Stephanie"
><Stepha...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>>what i want to know is why, as you drive south on PA 611, they go from red
>>in Abington, then to regular green (or is it blue?), then back to red
>>again?? Do you pass through Abington twice??
>>
>
>Yes. The green signs are Jenkintown, which is a hole-in-the-doughnut
>municipality surrounded by Abington Township.
Not quite, Bruce. There is a stretch where Jenkintown borough borders
Cheltenham township, so it's not a donut. However, you do pass through
Abington before and after Jenkintown if you're on Old York Road, though
just for a block or so at the Colonnade apts. (formerly the Benson).
Matthew Borowski
>
> hi, i was driving somewhere one day and noticed some very unusual red and
> blue local street signs, instead of the traditional green:
>
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/sjwinter9/signs2.html
>
> do other municipalities have such signs, or perhaps different colors?? I was
> so amazed by this, being so used to the boring green, that i had to take
> pictures.
>
Fairfax and Loudoun Counties, Virginia use white on blue signs which
IMHO look a lot better than white on green and have more contrast.
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Grauto
> > > black-on-white.
> >
> > I think Roswell, NM still does (or did in places as of 2 years ago).
> >
> > Oh, and Polk County, AR uses white posts with black lettering painted on.
>
> That style of street sign is much rarer now. St. Joseph, Mo., used to use
> white posts with black lettering; I wonder if it still does.
The white posts with black lettering were prevalent in Warrensburg, MO
-- both in Broadview and on the southern fringes of town -- during the
eighties. Most have since been removed, but I think a couple may
still be extant.
--
JRF
who has family both in Polk County, AR and in Warrensburg, MO
steve the magnificent and poisonous
> "steve the magnificent and poisonous" <zoning...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:919cc57.02082...@posting.google.com...
>
> > These are prevalent in SoCal, and I believe in Utah and other
> > grid-aligned Western states.
>
> I've never seen that. I still consider street signs that lack numbers to be
> next to worthless though.
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
would be block 14400 and so on... ok that's kinda cheating. But I
know SoCal at least used to have cross streets, and I thought they
still do.
J.P. Kirby
Grauto wrote:
>
> The white posts with black lettering were prevalent in Warrensburg, MO
> -- both in Broadview and on the southern fringes of town -- during the
> eighties. Most have since been removed, but I think a couple may
> still be extant.
>
>
Dover-Foxcroft, Maine, has (or at least had in 1999) brown obelisk-type
posts with the street name painted on in yellow.
JPK
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Regina Litman
>
> hi, i was driving somewhere one day and noticed some very unusual red and
> blue local street signs, instead of the traditional green:
>
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/sjwinter9/signs2.html
>
> do other municipalities have such signs, or perhaps different colors?? I was
> so amazed by this, being so used to the boring green, that i had to take
> pictures.
>
I have to admit that I didn't go to your web page and look at the signs
until just now. I posted about the red Abington signs, but I didn't
realize that you were talking about a red sign AND a blue sign. I
thought you were talking about signs that were both red and blue, and I
didn't have a chance to go look at your picture. I would have recognized
the Abington one immediately because I know that intersection.
I recall seeing signs that were red, white, and blue somewhere in
Delaware County along either MacDade Blvd. or Route 13 on July 21. I
think it was in Yeadon.
The yellow on blue in your picture may be Cheltenham.
Regina Litman
>
> Around here (most show only the side streets and not the main street
> the side street is connected to, but that's another thread for another
> time):
Oooh, I hate this practice - it's quite common in the city of
Philadelphia and its suburbs. I'm not from here originally, and there
have been times when I've found myself on what is obviously a main
thoroughfare, but the street signs only denote the crossing side
streets.
The blue sign in the picture that Stephanie has posted is an example of
such a sign. Both signs are on Old York Road, Route 611, in the due
northern suburbs of Philadelphia. I am proud to report that the township
in which I live, Abington, has seen fit to label the main drag of Old
York Road. But Cheltenham has not.
RE
> "Matthew Mitchell" <mitc...@dvarp.org> wrote in message
> news:B99046E19...@192.168.1.101...
> > In article <akcu7j$vhi$1...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
> > "Ghetto Stephanie" <Stepha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >hi, i was driving somewhere one day and noticed some very unusual red
and
> > >blue local street signs, instead of the traditional green:
> >
> > Blue with yellow lettering: Cheltenham, PA
> > They're the respective township (and school) colors.
> >
>
> correct!
>
> what i want to know is why, as you drive south on PA 611, they go from red
> in Abington, then to regular green (or is it blue?), then back to red
> again?? Do you pass through Abington twice??
>
> > (carved out of Abington), where the signs are red & white with blue
poles.
> >
> > Other ones of interest include Lower Merion (cast iron, or some other
> > material--dark green with yellow lettering).
>
> huh, i have never seen these before. will have to look more closely next
> time.
Oh, I think you must have seen them and didn't notice. The signs in Bala
Cynwyd and Wynnewood are like that, for instance.
Also, regarding the white-on-red street sign ... Stephanie reports that it
is from Abington. Isn't there somewhere else in the Phila area -- in the
western 'burbs -- where that color scheme is used? I could have sworn that
I'd seen it recently, and I haven't been to Abington in years. Somewhere in
ChesCo, maybe? Could it be Tredyffrin Twp? Easttown or Schuylkill Twp?
Phoenixville?
Sandy Smith
> "Daniel Davis" <plane...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3d6be...@news.newsgroups.com>...
>
>>"steve the magnificent and poisonous" <zoning...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>message news:919cc57.02082...@posting.google.com...
>>
>>
>>>These are prevalent in SoCal, and I believe in Utah and other
>>>grid-aligned Western states.
>>>
>>I've never seen that. I still consider street signs that lack numbers to be
>>next to worthless though.
>>
> Well from what I remember of Utah, it gave block numbers. 144th St.
> would be block 14400 and so on... ok that's kinda cheating. But I
> know SoCal at least used to have cross streets, and I thought they
> still do.
I've seen two varieties of house-numbering info on street signs.
One is what I will call the block-of-the-street convention. The sign
indicates what hundred block is located in a given direction from the
sign. In Baltimore, the block number has an arrow attached indicating
in which direction the numbers lie; in Washington, DC, there are no
arrows the sign-makers assume people will know the block number is that
of the block on the same side of the intersection as the sign. In
Philadelphia, the block numbers in *both* directions are given on the
top of the sign; for mid-block signs, the number in the higher direction
ends in "99" and not "00", though this useful distinction is
disappearing as new signs replace older ones.
The other is the grid-coordinates convention: all the signs for a given
street indicate its grid coordinate (e.g., 3100 E on all signs for
Bellefontaine Ave in Kansas City, Mo.).
Interestingly enough, Chicago street signs give *no* numbering
information, but the signs erected at overpasses -- and those on the
platforms at rapid transit stations -- give *both* grid coordinates,
those of the cross street first (inaccurate e.g., "Cicero Ave 5200 W/300
N" on a sign where the Lake Street 'L' crosses it).
This may be because several major transit lines and freeways in Chicago
run diagonally, meaning both coordinates change along a route's path.
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Sean Dalton
stake driven into the ground, where the letters run vertically. They suck.
Rich town, bas signs. Although the central area is marked by your standard
Green/White overhead.
Sean
Scott Nuzum
Sandy Smith wrote in message <3D6DBD5...@pobox.upenn.edu>...
I noticed on my summer trip to Colorado Springs that the normal street signs
didn't have block numbers and neither did most of the traffic arm signs. But
the traffic arm signs on Academy Blvd. had both coordinates. From what I
could tell, the Academy signs were the only ones in the Springs with block
numbers.
S.E.N.
Joplin's signs indicate the grid the same way Kansas City's do.
Stanley Cline
wrote:
[street signs show only "side" street, not "main" street]
>Oooh, I hate this practice - it's quite common in the city of
>Philadelphia and its suburbs. I'm not from here originally, and there
<snip>
This practice is *very* common in the Southeast, not only in rural
areas (where it is incredibly common) but in many smaller towns as
well.
Most Atlanta area municipalities don't do this intentionally, but
there are a few cases where there's a "half" sign, such as on the
(public) street leading to my apartment complex. :(
As for street signs in general in the Atlanta area:
- In general, most street signs are the standard white on green, with
white on blue used to denote privately-owned/maintained streets.
(Some municipalities, such as DeKalb County in unincorporated areas,
also add a black-on-yellow end to certain signs that say "PVT RD"
for private roads or "DEAD END" or "NO OUTLET" to point out the
not-so-obvious.)
Many municipalities (Cobb County, Fulton County, city of Atlanta on
some overhead signs only, etc.) also put their "logo" at the (other)
end of some signs. A few black-on-white signs can be found in spots
in DeKalb County, particularly in the Chamblee/Doraville/Dunwoody
area.
- Most Atlanta area street signs are mixed case; Cobb County has a mix
of mixed-case and all-uppercase signs. The mixed-case signs
generally use the same variation on the Series D font used on BGSs
all over the state.
- The city of Marietta and Cobb and Gwinnett counties use unusually
large signs on major thoroughfares (and Marietta does on even some
not-so-major ones.)
- A small handful of backlit overhead signs exist on GA 54 in Clayton
County near Southlake Mall.
- Gwinnett County lists block/"house" numbers on all signs; Cobb
County does on some, and the city of Atlanta does on some newer
overhead signs only.
- The city of Atlanta uses two-letter abbreviations for *ALL* street
"types" on those newer overhead signs ("Ci" for circle, "Wy" for
way, "Bv" for boulevard [as in Sidney Marcus Blvd NE, NOT Boulevard
NE/SE!], etc.)
- There are a few signs in the Sandy Springs area in northern Fulton
County that were apparently made in Atlanta's sign shop and show
quadrants (NW/NE/SE/SW) -- which are used in the city limits (and
throughout Cobb and Gwinnett counties as well) but not at all in
unincorporated Fulton County. The quadrant (always NE; the areas in
question would be in "NE" Atlanta if they were in the city limits)
has been spray-painted over on a few signs lately.
-SC
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Patrick L. Humphrey
Wooden ones would have a longer life expectancy in places that don't have
eight-month humid summers, like here...:-)
--PLH, and that's before you get to our termites
Patrick L. Humphrey
>Ghetto Stephanie wrote:
>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/sjwinter9/signs2.html
For what it's worth, our Fort Bend County suburb of Missouri City (don't ask
me how a Texas city got named for Missouri) switched over to white characters
on a sign that is red on the left and blue on the right, with the colors
meeting along a 45-degree diagonal that cuts upward through the sign's center
point, back in the mid-1980s. Neighboring Stafford uses white on cherry red
on their signs, but includes a blue and white city seal...but MoCity is the
only one around here with two colors sharing the background.
--PLH, who sees those on a frequent basis
Daniel Dey
> Wrong.... thats the Town of Islip. Other towns in Suffolk use white on green.
>
> In <2Xpa9.228772$EJ4.5...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> "Jonathan Lebowitz \(was: SHYGUYJL\)" <jl...@mysticmobius.mysticmobius.com> writes:
>
> >Suffolk County uses white on blue street signs everywhere.
Well, The Town of Smithtown used to use white on blue, and so did the
Village of Port Jefferson. The Town of Riverhead uses blue on white,
except in "Polishtown," where they use red on white. The Town of
Brookhaven used to use black on white before they changed to white on
green in 1971. The Village of Patchogue used to use white on black. So
it used to vary depending on the town and village you lived in.
And about Brookhaven, before they had "crossbuck" street name
signs(does that name apply to them too?), they used to paint poles
white with black vertical letters and stick them on corners.