|
Please Robert remove me from this list. I do not wish to have any more of this Dwayne Lemon and Philton stuff and their false views. I have no time for their errors.
Kindly respect my desire on this. I dont want them.
Thanks
From: robert Mwangi <robert...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dwayne Lemon has lied more than once in his sermon
To:
Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 10:14 AM
The envious man shuts his eyes to the good qualities and noble deeds of others. He is always ready to disparage and misrepresent that which is excellent. Men often confess and forsake other faults, but there is little to be hoped for from the envious man. Since to envy a person is to admit that he is a superior, pride will not permit any concession. If an attempt be made to convince the envious person of his sin, he becomes even more bitter against the object of his passion, and too often he remains incurable. {5T 56.2}
The envious man diffuses poison wherever he goes, alienating friends and stirring up hatred and rebellion against God and man. He seeks to be thought best and greatest, not by putting forth heroic, self-denying efforts to reach the goal of excellence himself, but by standing where he is and diminishing the merit due to the efforts of others. {5T 56.3}
The tongue that delights in mischief, the babbling tongue that says, Report, and I will report it, is declared by the apostle James to be set on fire of hell. It scatters firebrands on every side. What cares the vendor of gossip that he defames the innocent? He will not stay his evil work, though he destroy hope and courage in those who are already sinking under their burdens. He cares only to indulge his scandal-loving propensity. Even professed Christians close their eyes to all that is pure, honest, noble, and lovely, and treasure up what ever is objectionable and disagreeable, and publish it to the world. {5T 57.2}
The Lord is testing and proving His people. You may be just as severe and critical with your own defective character as you please; but be kind, pitiful, and courteous toward others. Inquire every day: Am I sound to the core, or am I false-hearted? Entreat the Lord to save you from all deception on this point. Eternal interests are involved. While so many are panting after honor and greedy of gain, do you, my beloved brethren, be eagerly seeking the assurance of the love of God and crying: Who will show me how to make my calling and election sure? {5T 97.2}
Satan carefully studies the constitutional sins of men, and then he begins his work of alluring and ensnaring them. We are in the thickest of temptations, but there is victory for us if we fight manfully the battles of the Lord. All are in danger. But if you walk humbly and prayerfully you will come forth from the proving process more precious than fine gold, even than the golden wedge of Ophir. If careless and prayerless, you will be as sounding brass and a tinkling cymbal. {5T 97.3}
From: Louis Shitandi <luish...@yahoo.com>
To: phi...@googlegroups.com; davis...@yahoo.com; jkat...@yahoo.com; jimos...@yahoo.com; wam...@yahoo.com; miller...@yahoo.com; gra...@yahoo.com; wic...@yahoo.com; robert Mwangi <robert...@yahoo.com>; myself <luish...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, February 20, 2011 4:53:49 PM
Subject: Dwayne Lemon has lied more than once in his sermon
|
Thanks Robert for your correspondence.
Dwayne Lemon has lied more than once in his sermon and has not used sound interpretation techniques.
Kindly do not forward to me any of his comments or reactions on this matter unbless you have questions yourself. I will not pay attention to Mr.Philton nor Dwayne Lemon - they are not sound on Daniel 11:40-45 and the 2520 respectively.
Robert Mwangi if your efforts are toward unity and truth you would have come for the seminar we had today I dealth with all the lies of Dwayne Lemon and if anyone is interested I can avail the recorded video and audio.
No more of those guys please - they are wasting our time. From you i can answer questions but not argue.
Thanks and God bless.
From: robert Mwangi <robert...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: EMAIL FROM DWAYNE LEMON - RE: Feeback: Why 2520 is NOT important by Dwayne Lemon
To: phi...@googlegroups.com, davis...@yahoo.com, jkat...@yahoo.com, jimos...@yahoo.com, wam...@yahoo.com, luish...@yahoo.com, miller...@yahoo.com, gra...@yahoo.com, wic...@yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, February 20, 2011, 5:13 AM
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Ariadne k <ariadnek...@hotmail.com>
To: PHILTON MOORE <philto...@btopenworld.com>
Cc: robert...@yahoo.com; William Parks <k7...@bmi.net>
Sent: Fri, February 18, 2011 10:41:35 PM
Subject: EMAIL FROM DWAYNE LEMON - RE: Feeback: Why 2520 is NOT important by Dwayne Lemon
Sister Ariadne, I first want to apologize for the delay as I know that you have sent me a few questions since our last communication. I am in the midst of several projects and it requires me to prioritize my time. I will have answers to your questions shortly, but I am getting ready to leave town again and am in the midst of deep preparation for them.
Nevertheless, I am preparing a document for those who believe, teach, or advocate the 2520 doctrine as well as the latter rain supposedly "beginning" to fall at 9/11.
When it is done, I will post it on Facebook so whoever would like to can review it. I have gone through these arguments as posted in this link with a few people and with all do respect, it's a poor form of reasoning when all the evidence is weighed and brought to the front. You will see shortly.
I am grateful that people are beginning to ask questions and hold Evangelists accountable for the things they teach. I appreciate those who have contacted me and praise God for those who are contacting Elders Pippenger, Taylor, Sankey and others.
I am convinced all who love truth will be united in it, and as long as we approach these topics in the spirit of Christ, He will prevail not any particular ministry but Jesus will prevail.
If the positions I have held are wrong, I do not have a problem publicly denouncing them as my desire is for the truth.
I pray that the other Evangelists are prepared to do the same in the event they see that their arguments do not hold against the anchor weight os the Scripture and Spirit of Prophecy.
Time and evidence will tell.
Maranatha
Regards
Ariadne
http://sabbathsermons.com/ - READ SERMONS ONLINE
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 01:27:00 +0000 From: philto...@btopenworld.comSubject: Feeback: Why 2520 is NOT important by Dwayne Lemon To: ariadnek...@hotmail.com
CC: robert...@yahoo.com; k7...@bmi.net
Dear Ariadne,
Please ask Dwayne Lemon for his comments on the following feedback on his view of the 2520 years as taught by Pippenger and co.:
--- On Wed, 16/2/11, robert Mwangi <robert...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: robert Mwangi <robert...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: Why 2520 is NOT important by Dwayne Lemon
To: philto...@btopenworld.com
Date: Wednesday, 16 February, 2011, 12:08
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Louis Shitandi <luish...@yahoo.com>
To: robert Mwangi <robert...@yahoo.com>; jeff katieno <jkat...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 4:19:22 PM
Subject: Re: Why 2520 is NOT important by Dwayne Lemon
|
Dwayne Lemon claims that those who teach the 2520 are separationists and are causing segregation. This is not true. The people listening to him were saying amen, amen to his lies
He says that the 2520 is something that doesn't exist. well, has he not had a look at both the 1843 and the 1850 charts? They exist there and were not both charts a fulfilment of hab 2:2 and testified to be such by the very pen of Mrs. Ellen G. White?
He claims that the EW quote that the chart should not be altered is an "abstract quotation." Well, what about the quote on the 1850 chart that "God was in the publishment?" and what about the quotes (2 of them) that say that these charts were a fulfilment of prophecy?
He is trying to use one single Jame's White quote to counter all the Ellen White quotes on this issue. Indeed his James White quote is really the "abstact quotation" that we should not even use.
He claims that the chart was revised in 1863 and that the 1863 chart is the correct one. well, question to him is - has inspiration testified to the 1863 chart to be a fulfilment of prophecy? was its formation the result of his alleged "... 1843 chart ... should not be altered except by inspiration?" That is not even what the EW quote says.
also, was it "inspiration" that corrected the 2520? Who was the prophet? Was it James White or Ellen White?
EW 74 " I have seen that the 1843 chart was directed by the hand of the Lord, and that it should not be altered; that the figures were as He wanted them; that His hand was over and hid a mistake in some of the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed."
"I saw that God was in the publishment of the chart by Brother Nichols. I saw that there was a prophecy of this chart in the Bible, and if this chart is designed for God's people, if it [is] sufficient for one it is for another, and if one needed a new chart painted on a larger scale, all need it just as much." {13MR 359.1}
" As early as 1842 the direction given in this prophecy to "write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it," had suggested to Charles Fitch the preparation of a prophetic chart to illustrate the visions of Daniel and the Revelation. The publication of this chart was regarded as a fulfillment of the command given by Habakkuk." GC 392.
Hab 2:2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make [it] plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.
table is one, tables are two - just like a time is one and times are two. Daniel 7:25.
The tables of hab 2:2 are the 1843 and the 1850 charts. if the message does not speak according to this word, then there is no light in them.
Dwayne Lemon began his sermon by saying that he was not on a ministry to lie but that is exactly what he does, knowingly or unknowingly.
He has lied before the whole world of audioverse that those who teach the 2520 as we do call the people to "separate, separate, separate" when in essence the message of the 2520 is all about untiting God's people together, "press together, press together, press together"
We are not campaigning for a movement out of the church but we are calling upon all of God's children to press together and experience true righteousness by faith. Even those in Babylon we teach them to come into the SDA and press together with us building upon on the Sure Word of Prophecy as the foundation of faith.
Jeff, there is no need to continue with this back and forth with those who have known the truth and have gone after fables. they will waste our time.
Lets go for those who are the lost sheep of Israel who need clarification and not defense. They will better appreciate the message that the Lord is giving.
I will be able to answer questions as i get time but this debate is best done during our meetings. this weekend we shall be at lenana Conference centre.
Those concerned and intersted may come with all their questions.
God bless!!
From: jeff katieno <jkat...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Why 2520 is NOT important by Dwayne Lemon
To: "robert Mwangi" <robert...@yahoo.com>
Cc: davis...@yahoo.com, wam...@yahoo.com, gra...@yahoo.com, jims...@yahoo.com, jkat...@yahoo.com, luish...@yahoo.com, miller...@yahoo.com, ombu...@yahoo.com, wic...@yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 4:49 AM
Robert, 1. 1843 chart should not have been altered except by Inspiration. Does the statement of James White fall within 'Inspiration' ambit?
2. 'there are individuals trying to separate over something that doesn’t even exist': As far as i know 2520 is about scattering and gathering and teaches that from 1844 God started gathering his people. Is gathering same as separating?
3. 'The longest reckoning reaches to the autumn of 1844.--7BC 971 (1900).' This statement only identifies the end of the longest prophecy. It does not invalidate either the 2520(Which ends in 1844) nor the 2300.
4. 'However, it is not my wish at all to enter into any contention with anyone' (You did not keep your promise on this because what you have done is to literally perpetuate these contentions)
I counsel us to come from the 'high ground'. Ceaze these attacks. Study. Press together.
From: robert Mwangi <robert...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 2:32:42 PM
Subject: Fw: Why 2520 is NOT important by Dwayne Lemon
There are individuals today that will take a figure that was on William Millers chart and they will use that figure as a means of saying if you do not believe in this number called the 2520, you are an apostate. There are certain individuals saying that. There are Adventists today that go around saying there is a 2520 prophecy. We have fallen away from the truth God has given us as a people. We were taught how to study the Bible. The Spirit of God leads us line upon line, precept upon precept but most people took a chart with a number on it and took an abstract quotation from the Spirit of Prophecy where Ellen White spoke highly of the chart and nothing should be altered on it but they DID NOT FINISH the statement. She said nothing should be altered on it accept by inspiration. In other words, if inspiration says something on this chart was wrong, then they have an authority to remove it. People forgot about that so they went around talking about a 2520 and allowing groups and camps to come together and it became an instrument that the devil used to create a segregation among the people of God. In a time where were 71 times in the Spirit of Prophecy we are told to press together, press together, press together, there are individuals trying to separate over something that doesn’t even exist. You say what do you mean? I will tell you exactly.
|
Leviticus 26
If we faithfully studied Leviticus the 26th chapter which is where this so called 2520 prophecy came into existence (http://www.2520yearprophecy.com/) , we would find there is no 2520 prophecy. That’s all we need to do but we didn’t do it that way, we failed. We began to listen to what other people were saying about a chart and an abstract quote. As a result we failed.
2520 or 2300
Which one is longer? 2520 right? A child can understand that right? Why is it that if 2520 is the longest time prophecy then why does EGW say 2300 days is the longest time prophecy in the Bible?
|
There will always be false and fanatical movements made by persons in the church who claim to be led of God--those who will run before they are sent and will give day and date for the occurrence of unfulfilled prophecy. The enemy is pleased to have them do this, for their successive failures and leading into false lines cause confusion and unbelief.--2SM 84 (1897). {LDE 35.2}
No Time Prophecy Beyond 1844
I plainly stated at the Jackson camp meeting to these fanatical parties that they were doing the work of the adversary of souls; they were in darkness. They claimed to have great light that probation would close in October, 1884. I there stated in public that the Lord had been pleased to show me that there would be no definite time in the message given of God since 1844.--2SM 73 (1885). {LDE 35.3}
Our position has been one of waiting and watching, with no time-proclamation to intervene between the close of the prophetic periods in 1844 and the time of our Lord's coming.--10MR 270 (1888). {LDE 36.1}
The people will not have another message upon definite time. After this period of time [Revelation 10:4-6], reaching from 1842 to 1844, there can be no definite tracing of the prophetic time. The longest reckoning reaches to the autumn of 1844.--7BC 971 (1900). {LDE 36.2}
|
How simple is that? Are you saying that the prophet suddenly had a mathematical challenge in her mind? A child can understand 2520 is more than 2300 but the prophet of God under inspiration says the longest prophecy in the bible is the 2300 days. That should have settled it right there. But because individuals are holding onto ignorance God had to magnify it even further.
There are many precious truths contained in the Word of God, but it is "present truth" that the flock needs now. I have seen the danger of the messengers running off from the important points of present truth, to dwell upon subjects that are not calculated to unite the flock and sanctify the soul. {EW 63.1}
She then says in the next paragraph what present truth was.
But such subjects as the sanctuary, in connection with the 2300 days, the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, are perfectly calculated to explain the past Advent movement and show what our present position is, establish the faith of the doubting, and give certainty to the glorious future. These, I have frequently seen, were the principal subjects on which the messengers should dwell. {EW 63.2}
She says NOTHING about 2520 days! 2520 is veering off points of present truth. The sanctuary in connection with the 2300 days, the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, these are perfectly calculated to unite the flock, sanctify the soul and show the glorious future of the advent movement. Nothing about 2520. If that is not enough, there was a 1843 chart. If someone says the prophet said in 1843 chart nothing should be altered. Therefore inspiration was saying nothing should be altered on the chart. If that were true, then do you know we have a prophet and a group of pioneers that violated the very command of God? You ought to know why.
1843, 1850, 1863
In 1843 there was a chart by William Miller with 2520 on it. In 1850 there was another chart with the 2520 on it. But in 1863 there was another chart and guess what? No 2520 on it. There was no 2520 on the chart in 1863, neither the charts to come thereafter. No 2520. If that is not enough I leave the best for last. The pioneers came together. This is James White himself. James White the husband of the prophet. If you know Adventist history, there were certain things that James White taught that Ellen White didn’t agree with and Ellen White had to check them. She had to let him know, no this is not right, the Lord has shown me otherwise and she was being faithful in Ephesians 4:11-14 one of the functions of a prophet is to make sure that the brethren are not tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine. However, they studied Leviticus 26 and said this;
So then, there is no prophetic period in Lev. xxvi; {January 26, 1864 JWe, ARSH 68.12}
How clear of this? We have hundreds possibly thousands who have allowed themselves to be broken away over something that doesn’t exist.
…and those who imagine that such a thing exists, and are puzzling themselves over the adjustment of its several dates, are simply beating the air. To ignore, or treat with neglect, a prophetic period where one is plainly given, is censurable in the extreme. It is an equally futile, though not so heinous, a course, to endeavor to create one where none exists. {January 26, 1864 JWe, ARSH 68.12}
2520 is not a real prophecy and yet we have individuals teaching this but not only teaching it and using it as a catalyst to begin to tell us that in 9/11 supposedly according to a reinterpretation of the trumpets that now in 9/11 supposedly this is when the loud cry started and they misunderstand Life Sketches page 411. They never connected it to Testimonies volume 7 page 141. They never did line upon line, the same Holy Spirit that inspired the writings of the bible is the same Holy Spirit that inspired the writings of Ellen White. Therefore the same method that the Holy Spirit uses to study the bible is the same method we should use to study the sop. When you study the sop you should study what? Line upon line. What they did is looked at LS page 411 and said look at that, tis talking about the towers going down and the lord will shake terribly the earth and then Revelation 18:1-3 shall come to pass. Therefore, 9/11 took place therefore revelation 18 must come to pass because God shook terribly the earth and therefore they began giving the loud and now they teach people the doctrine that the loud cry started at 9/11. They did not compare it to Testimonies Volume seven page 141 where the prophet of God makes it very clear that passing of the national Sunday law, then God will shake terribly the earth. They didn’t study line upon line. They are modern day Pharisees, individuals who are taking the words of God and claiming to be stickers for truth claiming to be followers of the Bible and Spirit of Prophecy but at the same time they are fading away from bible truth.
This is a transcript from Dwayne Lemon’s sermon ‘Persecution Within’ 36 minutes in;
http://www.audioverse.org/sermons/recordings/2762/persecution-within.html
|
