Chuck I wish I lived closer so i could slap you...
Sammie813
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:32:18 -0400, "Saabirah" <saab...@stargate.net>
wrote:
>Chuck..... I've never posted using any other than this one account and name
>in the past 3 years.... Saabirah...stargate.
>>Once a liar ALWAYS A BIG liar, right Sabina... how many more aliases
do you have?
Her name was Sabina, she changed it to Saabirah after converting to the muslim
faith you asshole.I would think you would use Dick as an alias. I always knew
her as Ma, and she was far from being a stupid person. A stupid person does
not get a scholorship for academic excellence you moron. how many languages
can you speak chuck, my mother spoke 6 and taught all of them to her self.
>>>The worst part is that you're too stupid to lie and cover yourself,
but then you always have to tell a lie to cover a lie, right Sabina,
or is that right Mike,John Hill or whoever the hell you're pretending
to be.
and who is it that you are pretending to be? If I had to guess an example of a
useless human being would be right on target
>I guess you have to me a muslim to understand it.
I guess you have to have no life to spend most of it on a computer hiding
behind it or are you just hiding your face, are you realy ugly or what?
>Do you have any shred of dignity left Saabirah?
Chuck, you must be very bored these days, without my mother around, I am sure
you will find another person around here to try and humiliate. She had a strong
opinion about certain issues on this newsgroup and she certaintly had issues
with you, I have no idea why she would have such a problem with a scumbag?? go
figure
>>>Jeremiah wants Paul to forsake me for my opinions on islam, but
Jeremiah is more than happy to support this whacko, Jew hating,
multiple personality bigot loser pal Sabina, or is it Saabirah, or is
it John Hill now?
She was not a "whacko, Jew hating, multiple personality bigot loser" I think
that you may see this person while looking in the mirror or perhaps you are
speaking of your own mother
I hope you go straight to hell
Chuck
>Saabirah is proven to be a LIAR, AGAIN!
>
>On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:32:18 -0400, "Saabirah" <saab...@stargate.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Chuck..... I've never posted using any other than this one account and name
>>in the past 3 years.... Saabirah...stargate.
>
>>>Once a liar ALWAYS A BIG liar, right Sabina... how many more aliases
>do you have?
>
>Her name was Sabina, she changed it to Saabirah after converting to the muslim
>faith you asshole.
Flaming me does little to respect your Mother's passing away.
While I did and still do have differences with your Mother's opinions
Julie I did respect her talent as an artist and the fact that she knew
some really good recipes that she shared with me. Just a month or so
ago I was checking out and admiring her paintings on her website.
Many on this NG who did not agree with your Mom were able to discuss
other issues and to say kind words... I on a number of occasions I
told her that I liked and respected her art work.
I will refrain from ever mentioning her name on this or any NG in the
future as per your wishes and please know that while I had many
differences with her, I still liked her as a person, artist and
Grandmother that she was.
I hope somehow that you'll be able to continue to keep her artwork up
on the Internet.
My condolences on your loss Julie.
Chuck
Jeremiah McAuliffe
> I still liked her as a person, artist and
>Grandmother that she was.
God almighty! Have you NO SHAME AT ALL?!?!?
You were an abusive, nasty, ignorant and unprincipled person who was
ASTOUNDINGLY abusive towards Saabirah, as was your little buddy.
DESPICABLE!
Jeremiah McAuliffe ali...@city-net.com
http://speed.city-net.com/~alimhaq/mcauliffe/
Heavy Music
http://www.ampcast.com/jeremiah
Jeremiah McAuliffe
Hey "Sammie", Jeremiah here. :-)
Don't interact with these people, and ignore anything they have said
about your mom. Chuck in particular is nothing but malicious-- a
despicable excuse for a human being filled with hatred, ill-will and
willful ignorance in which he revels. He will even threaten peoples'
employment because they don't agree with his perverted perceptions.
He has one or two sidekicks who are no better. Simply put: not good
people. Don't engage them. Don't fret about them for your mom's sake.
Because the people on this board were so abusive towards your mom-- as
they are to so many people-- I never told them your mom has died.
Though your mom and I posted here as their neighbors-- particulary
after 9-11-- we got nothing but ignorant, bigoted hatred hurled at us
in response.
Best to stay away from these types, and do not let their vicious
hate-filled abuse of your mom worry you. They said nothing at all
about your mom-- only about themselves.....
Chuck
<ali...@city-net.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 22:07:34 GMT, Chuck <charl...@home.com> wrote:
>
>> I still liked her as a person, artist and
>>Grandmother that she was.
>
>
>God almighty! Have you NO SHAME AT ALL?!?!?
>
>You were an abusive, nasty, ignorant and unprincipled person who was
>ASTOUNDINGLY abusive towards Saabirah, as was your little buddy.
>
>DESPICABLE!
Jeremiah.... up yours! And, no, I won't be baited into discussing
what a dead person and I discussed.
Chuck
Chuck
<ali...@city-net.com> wrote:
>On 09 Oct 2002 20:35:12 GMT, samm...@aol.com (Sammie813) wrote:
>
>
>
>Hey "Sammie", Jeremiah here. :-)
Otherwise AKA Dr. Jihad (Holy War)
>Don't interact with these people, and ignore anything they have said
>about your mom. Chuck in particular is nothing but malicious
LOL--- ohhh and you are some sort of angel Dr. Jihad?
>- a
>despicable excuse for a human being filled with hatred, ill-will and
>willful ignorance in which he revels.
Blah blah.... yeah, Chuck revealed what a disgusting maggot Muhammad
was and you could not take it, huh Jer? And all followers of "True
Islam" that attack this and any other country are MAGGOTS! And of
course I'm not talking about the followers of the warm and fuzzy
Americanized islam followers, and I've always said that.
How about all the crap you've foisted on this NG? GW Bush
perpetuating the attacks on the WTC... your attacks against a Church
that you left?
>He will even threaten peoples'
>employment because they don't agree with his perverted perceptions.
LOL I did huh? Please point that one out to me.... come on please
post where I threatened anybodies employment. Now I did point out to
some on this NG that it was not cool to post while your on the govt
dole, and I did mail a letter, but then again I never used a name now
did I?
>He has one or two sidekicks who are no better. Simply put: not good
>people. Don't engage them. Don't fret about them for your mom's sake.
2 side kicks huh? You're as crazy as you always were Jer.... name
one Jer... name a sidekick.
Chuck
neters
"Chuck" <charl...@home.com> wrote in message
news:5qf9quc3q7a7qt942...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 19:11:32 -0400, Jeremiah McAuliffe
> <ali...@city-net.com> wrote:
>
> >On 09 Oct 2002 20:35:12 GMT, samm...@aol.com (Sammie813) wrote:
> >
> >
> >
<snip the childish stuff>
could you two please, for once, just cut the crap? someone comes here,
posts terrible news and understandable has been very hurt by what they have
read and you two start bashing each other in the same thread. at least
start a new thread! you both need to realize that sitting behind each one of
these posts is a living breathing person with feelings - just because we
don't see each other's faces doesn't mean we have the right to tear each
other apart! great, i think i just burned my dinner. =/
Chuck
And what did I do? Come on, what did I do? I got attacked by
Dr.Jihad... he could have let it go, but of course he has to attack.
Do I feel bad about Saabirah? Of course, she and I did have good
conversations, did we have disagreements, of course.
Chuck
Chuck
<ali...@city-net.com> wrote:
>Best to stay away from these types
And then I would add that it would be good to stay away from a Saint
like ole Jeremiah...
Notable quotes from ole Jer oldies but goodies:
"I'm too old for the junior classes at NAMBLA and I'm not Catholic
anymore-- an organization that aids and abets pedophilia"
Find it yourself, lazy ass.
I just said I was wrong you stupid twit.
Thank you for again proving (again) how astoundingly obtuse and stupid
you are.
We can ALL say "Fuck YOU
You are so fucking gawddam stupid.
I meant to say "you stupid mindless fuck
I just did you stupid fuck.
Cheap Jew
Smelly Nigger
Faggot Brit
Greasy Wetback
Stupid Polock
As you sit on your fat ass drinking a beer and watching WWF.
You *are* a stupid shit.
No dude. You morons are unbelievable
Fuck you.
Fuck you.
The New-Tribal Mischa?
Well, FUCK YOU. You aren't worth it, and neither are they.....
Fuck you muther-fuckin' asshole.
Yeah muther-fucker-- by giving me shit YOU give comfort to those who
would kill you.
Stupid Fuck.
You suck as bad as they do....
Sammie813
not It doesn't, but it made my day just a hint better.
>Julie I did respect her talent as an artist and the fact that she knew
>some really good recipes that she shared with me. Just a month or so
>ago I was checking out and admiring her paintings on her website.
my hopes are to keep up her website for ever. I am happy to hear that you have
good taste in art. and you do not lie when you say she has some excellent
receipes, she was the best cook, usually best at wha ever she did
>I will refrain from ever mentioning her name on this or any NG in the
>future as per your wishes and please know that while I had many
>differences with her, I still liked her as a person, artist and
>Grandmother that she was.
>
>I hope somehow that you'll be able to continue to keep her artwork up
>on the Internet.
I have bought her website and its being maintained. new pieces are coming soon
>
>My condolences on your loss Julie.
>
I know for certain that last interraction with my mom that you had, you spent
saying nasty, unforgivavble, hurtful things and you have to live with that. If
you ever did admire her maybe you should have spent that time saying so.
I hope your concisence isn't present
she was my life and you are nothing to me
>Chuck
>
Sammie813
>what a dead person and I discussed.
Chuck this is the make up of post's that I will not tolorate. the dead person,
yea my mother, well she has a name
your such an ass
Sammie813
>
>
Hi Jeremiah
>Don't interact with these people, and ignore anything they have said
>about your mom. Chuck in particular is nothing but malicious-- a
>despicable excuse for a human being filled with hatred, ill-will and
>willful ignorance in which he revels. He will even threaten peoples'
>employment because they don't agree with his perverted perceptions.
>He has one or two sidekicks who are no better. Simply put: not good
>people. Don't engage them. Don't fret about them for your mom's sake.
The reason i posted is for my mom's sake, I have read horrible things about her
, She has left me wondering about her and I am finding that sometimes she was
very conterversal, but I will not allow anyone to get away with behavior like
that.
>
>Because the people on this board were so abusive towards your mom-- as
>they are to so many people-- I never told them your mom has died.
Thank you for protecting her, and being her friend, I appreciate it very much
and I know that she died as well
>Though your mom and I posted here as their neighbors-- particulary
>after 9-11-- we got nothing but ignorant, bigoted hatred hurled at us
>in response.
I have been doing alot of reading, probably 2-3 weeks, this is the first time I
kinda "lost it" on someone
>
> Best to stay away from these types, and do not let their vicious
>hate-filled abuse of your mom worry you. They said nothing at all
>about your mom-- only about themselves.....
>
i agree
Chuck
>>Flaming me does little to respect your Mother's passing away.
>
>not It doesn't, but it made my day just a hint better.
>
>>Julie I did respect her talent as an artist and the fact that she knew
>>some really good recipes that she shared with me. Just a month or so
>>ago I was checking out and admiring her paintings on her website.
>
>my hopes are to keep up her website for ever. I am happy to hear that you have
>good taste in art. and you do not lie when you say she has some excellent
>receipes, she was the best cook, usually best at wha ever she did
>
>
>>I will refrain from ever mentioning her name on this or any NG in the
>>future as per your wishes and please know that while I had many
>>differences with her, I still liked her as a person, artist and
>>Grandmother that she was.
>>
>>I hope somehow that you'll be able to continue to keep her artwork up
>>on the Internet.
>
>I have bought her website and its being maintained. new pieces are coming soon
That is good.
>>My condolences on your loss Julie.
>>
>
>I know for certain that last interraction with my mom that you had, you spent
>saying nasty, unforgivavble, hurtful things and you have to live with that. If
>you ever did admire her maybe you should have spent that time saying so.
My last disagreement with her Julie was about abortion which I am
against and that is even allowing others to make a choice (unless the
life of the Mother is at risk)..... my last post to her was on the
26th where I pointed out that it's wrong to even let others decide
that it's ok to abort (murder a baby)... nothing hateful, nothing
unforgivable, Saabirah knew my feelings on abortion, and she was
feisty enough to let me know hers.
> I hope your concisence isn't present
It is always present.
>she was my life and you are nothing to me
Same could be said in reverse, but we will never be anything to each
other.... I just wanted you to know that while we (Saabirah and I) had
our differences, she dished it out and so did I. Saabirah was a
strong feisty (and so are you I might add) lady who could stand up to
many if she had an opinion and so desired.
I would not worry about your Mom Julie, one thing Saabirah could do,
she could stand up for herself. Saabirah mentioned the abuse she
suffered, but from what I can read in her posts, it only made her a
stronger woman over the years.
Chuck
Jeremiah McAuliffe
>
>The reason i posted is for my mom's sake, I have read horrible things about her
None of it true or accurate-- a twisting of things and a twisting of
who and what she was and is and said and wrote. Trust me.
For instance, they would take an emotional exclamation made during the
course of a conversation that lasts *months* and then use it to hammer
her and cast aspersions on her-- i.e. taking parts of a conversation
out of their context in order to express their own malice and
ill-will, though projecting it on her.
For instance, Chuck just recently baited her by mentioning "the
Jew-hater" to poster Mischa Gelman. That refers to your mom, and is
designed to both bate her, nurture hatred towards her and Muslims in
general on the part of Mischa, as well as completely and absolutely
misrepresenting her. Bottom line: no-good people said horrible things
about her.
>, She has left me wondering about her and I am finding that sometimes she was
>very conterversal, but I will not allow anyone to get away with behavior like
>that.
She was "controversial" only among a certain type of person-- a type
who clearly show their ill-will over a period of time....
So don't buy what you read. If anything, look at her responses (though
I know at times she had "archiving" off on her usenet posts, so a lot
of what she wrote isn't at google). She shows a lot of patience and
forbearance and compassion....
The people here don't really know anything about her-- all they know
is what they projected onto her.
Chuck
That one I deserved.... thank you for the correction....
Hey Jeremiah UP YOURS, I won't be baited into discussing what Saabirah
and I discussed.
Chuck
Chuck
<ali...@city-net.com> wrote:
>On 10 Oct 2002 02:12:56 GMT, samm...@aol.com (Sammie813) wrote:
>
>>
>>The reason i posted is for my mom's sake, I have read horrible things about her
Yes Julie, go to alt.islam.religion.
>Trust me.
Yeah! Like I would a used car dealer--- and yet you ignore all of your
deeds on this ng, ehhh Jeremiah? The baiting, the posts designed to
inflame, yeah, sure GW Bush perpetrated the attacks on the WTC....
yeah, you're just a regular Saint Jeremiah. It was all God's fault
that the followers of true islam attacked America, huh Jer? How about
all of your wonder posts Jer? All of the paranoid whacko stuff you
posted?
Can't forget your anti-Catholic bias either
"I'm too old for the junior classes at NAMBLA and I'm not Catholic
anymore-- an organization that aids and abets pedophilia"
Read it Julie... see what a true closet bigot Jeremiah is.
Let the true obfuscators of this NG please stand up.... go ahead Jer,
I see you ducking down dude.
Chuck
Chuck
>I have been doing alot of reading, probably 2-3 weeks, this is the first time I
>kinda "lost it" on someone
Yes you did Julie.... for all the differences your Mother and I had,
she never made it so personal that she mentioned someone elses Mother,
another persons looks, nor do I recall her calling anyone a "scumbag".
Yes, you did lose it Julie.
Chuck
ddb
"Jeremiah McAuliffe" <ali...@city-net.com> wrote in message
news:ncp9qugntn038c7vv...@4ax.com...
Well Jeremiah I would like to think that not all people here where bad to
Jeremiah McAuliffe
>I just wanted you to know that while we (Saabirah and I) had
>our differences, she dished it out and so did I.
There was no equivalence whatsoever. Not by any stretch of the
imagination.
Saabirah was and is good-willed. You are not.
Saabirah never had any malice. You are filled with it.
Saabirah did not take things out of context to twist and cast unjust
aspersion on the other person. You do it all the time, its your modus
operandi.
Saabirah never threatened people, such as you recently did with Jon.
Saabirah never took a person's weakness as a weapon against them, to
hurt them or cast aspersion on them. You are like a shark that can
smell a drop of blood a mile away, and you go for the kill.
You and vze2 and she had multiple, extensive threads primarily between
just the three of you... as far as I know, unless people had archiving
off, its all there for anyone to see who was who.
If you were smart Chuck, you'ld just shut up now and let it all drop,
and I'll go back to lurking. Though I don't think you can do that,
perhaps you'll prove me wrong.
But if you are now going to pretend to her daughter that you were
somehow buddies with her, or even remotely good-natured with and
towards her, or that your interactions were just "friendly
differences" or simple debate, then I'm going to post and say that is
a flat-out lie and a perverted twisting of the truth in order to give
yourself a gloss you simply do not merit.
How did you treat her even after she told you something of herself?
Like shit Chuck. You and your buddies treated her like shit. Same as
before you knew anything about her. Even knowing some things about her
you *still* couldn't rise to the level of simple decency. Or is it you
*wouldn't* rise to that level?
I mean, after all... you *just* baited her again and used it to try to
enflame Mischa.
You need to change Chuck. Big time. Perhaps you'll take this
opportunity to do so.
I know you have to have the last word-- and go ahead with your
slanders against me (I know you can't stop yourself, and its only
illustrative of your self)-- but don't bullshit her daughter. I mean,
even YOU can't *want* to sink that low and be that disrespectful. I
hope.
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
zero understanding of the real world or how folks interact on ngs. You
have always have and still do misundertstand the medium. Instead of
continuing to spew your bile why not offer a prayer? You gave her the
short shrift when she begged you to use your talents to further
understading but you ignored her, now you have the balls to come off this
way. You are a fraud.Say a prayer for her not continue with your "issues".
Patrick J. Volk
<ali...@city-net.com> wrote:
She can go to google and find the posts. That is all that really needs
to be said. Saabirah could certainly speak for herself!
Julie, I am sorry to hear about your mother. I have to admit we've
had disagreements, but she was a determined person, knowledgable of
the world. Our debates were pretty civil. She had a very interesting
perspective. We did agree on a few things, the most important is
despite all that goes on in the world, there is hope.
I won't lie and say I agreed with everything she said, but I think I
can say I respected her opinion.
You have my condolences.
Sincerely,
Patrick Volk
Chuck
<ali...@city-net.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:41:05 GMT, Chuck <charl...@home.com> wrote:
>
>>I just wanted you to know that while we (Saabirah and I) had
>>our differences, she dished it out and so did I.
>
>
>There was no equivalence whatsoever. Not by any stretch of the
>imagination.
>
>Saabirah was and is good-willed. You are not.
Not going to be baited, then you'll say I am talking ill about
Saabirah when she cannot defend herself.
>Saabirah never had any malice. You are filled with it.
Not going to be baited
>Saabirah did not take things out of context to twist and cast unjust
>aspersion on the other person. You do it all the time, its your modus
>operandi.
>
>Saabirah never threatened people, such as you recently did with Jon.
Not going to be baited, not on your smartest day, when you think
you're slick Jeremiah will I be baited.
In regard to Jon... again, you're too big a sissy to answer my
response, I never used Jon's name in my letter and I never even asked
for his bosses name, I merely objected to him using public time to
advocate legalization of pot.... Jon has denied it, I have dropped
it.... didn't I?
BTW--- Jon is another person who does not run away from a spirited
discussion... Jon sticks with it.... while I disagree with Jon... he
has determination, something that you lack, I respect Jon for that, I
disagree with Jon... but I respect him for not running away with his
keyboard between his legs. I actually like Jon, are we best of buds?
nope!
>Saabirah never took a person's weakness as a weapon against them,
LOL--- Saabirah, weak? Saabirah could stand up for herself, unlike
you who hide from the questions, ehhh Dr. Jihad?
>You and vze2 and she had multiple,
Paul has NOTHING to do with this current discussion, just more
obfuscation on your part.... and of course you forget that Paul does
not have the same opinions on islam that I do and has said that
countless times.
>extensive threads primarily between
>just the three of you... as far as I know, unless people had archiving
>off, its all there for anyone to see who was who.
Right, and all of the crap that you've foisted on us since 9-11 is on
there too.
>If you were smart Chuck, you'ld just shut up now and let it all drop,
>and I'll go back to lurking.
Lurking until you can mount another attack? Come on Jer, defend _ANY_
of what you've done.
GW Bush perpetrated the attacks on the WTC
It was all God's fault that the followers of true islam attacked
America, huh Jer?
How about all of your wonder posts Jer? All of the paranoid whacko
stuff you posted? Indefensible!
Can't forget your anti-Catholic bias either
"I'm too old for the junior classes at NAMBLA and I'm not Catholic
anymore-- an organization that aids and abets pedophilia"
Read it Julie... see what a true closet bigot/hypocrite Jeremiah is.
Indefensible!
>But if you are now going to pretend to her daughter that you were
>somehow buddies with her,
Once again, you're a liar... I never said we were buddies, I never
even pretended... only that at times when we were not discussing
religion or politics we were civil. Now, are you going to support
your lie and quote me that I said I was her buddy? Or are you man
enough to admit that I did not pretend as such Jer, my guess is that
you're not man enough.
>or even remotely good-natured with and
>towards her,
Hell I admit, we did get out of hand.... and you have not? Especially
when you were foisting your wonder loon crap on us? How about your
penis posts? You know, the one where everyone was a dick? You're
such a classy muslim.
>or that your interactions were just "friendly
>differences"
Never said they were friendly differences, LIAR.
>or simple debate, then I'm going to post and say that is
>a flat-out lie
Then you must be looking in a mirror Jer. And of course Saabirah knew
that this is a discussion group, and she knew they can get heated, but
you know what, she stuck with it.... you were the pussy who took his
keyboard and went home. While I did not agree with Saabirah, she had
the fortitude to continue, hell she debated both Paul and I at the
same time.... all while you were posting your childish penis and
wonder loon rants.
And you know what Jeremiah... I liked Saabirah, yeah, we had our
strong differences, but I liked her strength, and I don't give a rats
ass if you don't believe me.
Furthermore, I think you're an egotistical, self serving, childish
little boy, who when confronted with facts acts like a 2nd grader.
Yeah, while Saabirah had physical ailments, she was a hell of a lot
tougher than you.
>How did you treat her even after she told you something of herself?
Not going to get baited into discussing something that Saabirah cannot
defend... so next question duuuuddddddddeeee.
>Like shit Chuck. You and your buddies treated her like shit.
Not going to get baited into discussing something that Saabirah cannot
defend... and you pal were/are no walk in the park!
>Same as
>before you knew anything about her.
Yeah, I knew that she liked recipes.... I complimented that, her art I
complemented that, because she was good mind ya, unlike the trash you
call music that sounds like 3 cats fighting in a metal garbage can.
>I mean, after all... you *just* baited her again and used it to try to
>enflame Mischa.
Mischa is all grown up Jer, Mischa can come to a conclusion on his
own.
>I know you have to have the last word--
Oh I don't know, maybe if you quit playing wiff your hamster you'll be
a man and discuss the questions I've been posting to you for months
Jer... or will you run away and play with your hamster some more?
At this point this evening, I do feel bad that Saabirah is gone, we
lost someone who was not weak like you Jeremiah, someone who was not
scared to post, someone who would go toe to toe with anyone.
Chuck
Chuck
>You have
>zero understanding of the real world or how folks interact on ngs. You
>have always have and still do misundertstand the medium.
One interesting aspect of all of this Paul.... Julie in her own way
proved that discussion newsgroups can get personal when you have
passion with your arguments.
Some comments by Julie:
"I guess you have to have no life to spend most of it on a computer
hiding behind it or are you just hiding your face, are you realy ugly
or what?"
Funny, I never got that personal with Saabirah that I called her ugly.
I guess discussion groups do get nasty sometimes.
"I have no idea why she would have such a problem with a scumbag??"
Funny, I never got to the point with Saabirah that I would make that
sort of attack, a "scumbag"?
"you may see this person while looking in the mirror or perhaps you
are speaking of your own mother"
It's funny how some people with such a zeal to prove their points,
actually prove mine... that discussion groups can get very spirited...
but then I never got so nasty that I had to attack someone elses
Mother.
Of course none of us ever got into little childish Jeremiah rants
either... none of us other than Jeremiah were blood brothers with
wonder/sheila either. I bet to this day ole Dr.Jihad cringes when he
realizes that it was Sheila all along.
Chuck
Jeremiah McAuliffe
>Funny, I never got that personal with Saabirah that I called her ugly.
Yeah, you (and your buddies-like-you) just called her a liar and a
Jew-hater and terrorist sympathizer over and over and over again.
Indeed, you just did it again, in spite of the fact she obviously
hasn't been posting. So, for all you knew she wasn't even present, but
that didn't stop you.
You completely negated, abused and dehumanized her, over and over and
over again.
You took one emotional outburst from her ("Fuck Israel") and used it
to smear her entire being and character, and used it in an attempt to
misrepresent her and slander her to others, nurturing and encouraging
ill-will towards her on the part of others.
You twisted her religion-- calling the good inauthentic and the evil
authentic-- so in actuality lending support and encouragement to those
of ill-will and murderous intent, and discouraging and hurting those
of good-will who have stood against the Wahabi extremists. (I told you
repeatedly that you share the same foundational attitudes as they do--
so of course you ended up lending them support-- like attracts like.)
But way to go Chuck-- if you never called her "ugly".
Wow. That's really something.
But, it's not *really* worth patting yourself on the back over
Even now you couldn't just shut up, but had to start going after her
daughter in a lame and pathetic attempt to make yourself look better
and deny how you actually treated her mother. Which, of course, she
can read and discover for herself.
But I guess in your dark book none of it was "personal".
Perhaps it's just what you do, it's who and what you *are*? Perhaps it
is your actual *being*?
You are a frightening person Chuck. I'll be quite honest: you terrify
me as well as deeply repulse me.
You express astounding levels of malice and ill-will, and malice is a
classic symptom of the presence of evil-- not just human goofiness,
not just human weakness or neurosis or illness, not character defects,
not emotional problems or outbursts, not psychological trauma-- but
*evil*-- flat-out evil. Take heed Chuck. Beware. I'm telling you
truth.
However, I do detect SOME appropriate shame and guilt in you over
this. Perhaps you are not too far gone after all-- there might still
be a small, dim, weak and flickering spark of basic decency deep in
that twisted thing you call your soul (you having done the twisting
yourself, of course).
Listen to those feelings, if you can.... ...and change. You are being
given an opportunity to do so right now, though you appear to be again
hardening your heart and turning your back on that opportunity, as you
have repeatedly in the past. Next time, if there is a next time, it
will only be more difficult for you.
For me to help you Chuck, and do some good.... as Saabirah knew I
could (and as you now twist that into a condemnation of me for no
longer posting here-- typical, and again only symptomatic)... you
first have to listen.... and make some moves towards basic
self-honesty regarding your actions, words, and attitudes. Indeed
Chuck, as I said, you are now faced with another opportunity to
change, and you need to change in a very big way. Your soul is in
great danger.
Try reading "People of the Lie" by M. Scott Peck. Skip the first
chapter and start with the second.... you don't want to be what is
described in that book. Or maybe you do.... we'll all find out in the
end.
You might also want to try getting on your knees (literally), and
begging God (again, literally) for help and guidance a few times a day
and as part of your daily routine.
You might also want to read some Bill Wilson of "12 Step" fame,
particulary "The Language of the Heart".
Saabirah came to you nicely as a Pittsburgh neighbor with nothing but
good will and good intentions, and you were nasty and vicious, and
what is worse is that you encourage and nurture that temptation in
others-- for which you then condemn them. Again, classic.
Lots of people come here nicely, simply wanting to explore and
discuss issues and possiblities with others, but you are nasty and
vicious and threatening-- and you then whine when you are told what
you are and blame the other person for YOUR behaviors... as I said
months ago: its VERY CLEAR who is filled with hatred, and who is not.
AND.... There is NO power apart from God's. It is God Who sends
laughter and tears, riches and poverty, success and failure, victory
and defeat. There is no other power in the universe other than God's.
EVERYTHING happens by His leave and according to His will. It is God
Who gives death, and God alone.... at least that is how it is in the
Abrahamic monotheistic traditions...
jeff swensen
deserves a pounding...it is an easy assurance that he will be missed by NO
ONE when he is finally gone...
Chuck
<ali...@city-net.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:07:35 GMT, Chuck <charl...@home.com> wrote:
>
>>Funny, I never got that personal with Saabirah that I called her ugly.
>
>Yeah, you (and your buddies-like-you) just called her a liar and a
>Jew-hater and terrorist sympathizer over and over and over again.
Again, I won't be baited by you Jer....
>Indeed, you just did it again, in spite of the fact she obviously
>hasn't been posting. So, for all you knew she wasn't even present, but
>that didn't stop you.
Did it again, interesting.... in your own mink I guess you think
you're intelligent.
>You completely negated, abused and dehumanized her, over and over and
>over again.
Again, I won't be baited by you Jer, your pitiful attempts at baiting
me are lame.... just like you Jer.
>You took one emotional outburst from her ("Fuck Israel") and used it
>to smear her entire being and character, and used it in an attempt to
>misrepresent her and slander her to others, nurturing and encouraging
>ill-will towards her on the part of others.
Again, I won't be baited by you Jer, your pitiful attempts at baiting
me are lame.... just like you Jer.
>But way to go Chuck-- if you never called her "ugly".
Again, I won't be baited by you Jer, your pitiful attempts at baiting
me are lame.... just like you Jer. And yet Julie was able to give us
an example of what goes on in discussion groups... something that
you're too stupid to realize.
>Wow. That's really something.
Yes, your wonder loon posts are something....
>But, it's not *really* worth patting yourself on the back over
>
>Even now you couldn't just shut up, but had to start going after her
>daughter in a lame and pathetic attempt to make yourself look better
By pointing out what she did goes on time and again on the usenet....
yes, something you're too stupid to realize... do you see the irony of
what happened?
>But I guess in your dark book none of it was "personal".
Actually what has happened since 9-11 has gotten personal, and you're
one of the biggest abusers here.
>Perhaps it's just what you do, it's who and what you *are*? Perhaps it
>is your actual *being*?
Perhaps you should look in the mirror?
Just a small snapshot of the guy who calls himself Dr.Jihad
GW Bush perpetrated the attacks on the WTC
It was all God's fault that the followers of true islam attacked
America, huh Jer?
How about all of your wonder posts Jer? All of the paranoid whacko
stuff you posted? Indefensible!
Can't forget your anti-Catholic bias either
"I'm too old for the junior classes at NAMBLA and I'm not Catholic
anymore-- an organization that aids and abets pedophilia"
Read it Julie... see what a true closet bigot/hypocrite Jeremiah is.
Indefensible!
>You are a frightening person Chuck. I'll be quite honest: you terrify
>me as well as deeply repulse me.
LOL--- yeah, dittos Dr.Jihad, dittos.
>You express astounding levels of malice and ill-will, and malice is a
>classic symptom of the presence of evil-- not just human goofiness,
>not just human weakness or neurosis or illness, not character defects,
>not emotional problems or outbursts, not psychological trauma-- but
>*evil*-- flat-out evil. Take heed Chuck. Beware. I'm telling you
>truth.
LOL--- you are amazing, in your own mind dude.
>However, I do detect SOME appropriate shame and guilt in you over
>this.
LOL, really? You are too funny dude.
> Perhaps you are not too far gone after all--
And you are too far gone, you've lost it long ago when you teamed up
with your gal pal Sheila.
>Chuck, as I said, you are now faced with another opportunity to
>change, and you need to change in a very big way. Your soul is in
>great danger.
My problems? Answer my questions that I've posted now for over a
year.
>Try reading "People of the Lie" by M. Scott Peck.
Read some books on the truth of islam Jer.... I'll be glad to point
out some good resources if you like.
And lets end this discussion with some notable quotes from Jeremiah
the self appointed muslim leader here in pgh....
Read this one, see what a closet bigot Jeremiah is.
"I'm too old for the junior classes at NAMBLA and I'm not Catholic
anymore-- an organization that aids and abets pedophilia"
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Chuck wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 04:40:18 GMT, vze2...@mail.verizon.net wrote:
>
> >You have
> >zero understanding of the real world or how folks interact on ngs. You
> >have always have and still do misundertstand the medium.
>
> One interesting aspect of all of this Paul.... Julie in her own way
> proved that discussion newsgroups can get personal when you have
> passion with your arguments.
Perhaps I did not make a clear statement. Yes we make personal statements
all of the time. They, are for me at least, a tactic in a debate even if
they are true. This medium is entertainment and to be so full of one's self
to take it all personally as in if it has any real importance is nuts. ddb
said it several times in his posts, "I love a good debate". I remember
years ago when we had all the regulars who were charter members of pgh.
opinion flaming each other unmercifully ending up at Chiodo's in Homestead
drinking beer together and having a good ole time. Jerremiah does not
understand this. Perhaps it is because of his exaggerated sense of self
importance, thinking that what he has to say here really means somthing to
the world. Folks please do not take this medium so seriously that you have
anything but fun and entertainment debating your opinions.
Voter95
>muslim
>faith you asshole.
Julie:
I am sorry to have found out about your loss!!!!!!!!!!!! That said I believe
you need to seek professional help asap!!!!!!!!!!!! I've read what you have
been posting on other groups and all of the guilt that you bear!!!!!!!!! It
seems that you and your Mom had a tough go at times, and she even had to have a
court order against you when she filed for her divorce??????????? And just
because your Mom never met your daughter does not mean it's your
fault!!!!!!!!!!!! Just because you were never able to do anything about the
abuse she took from your father does not mean it's your fault!!!!!!!!!!!! NONE
OF IT IS YOUR FALUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What you are doing is projecting your guilt and anger at people who had nothing
to do with the crux of YOUR problems, I did the same thing to my sister when my
Father passed away a few short years ago. Your Mom was a big girl and she
handled herself well on this group!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You should not worry
about the opinions of some on a group, but rather what do you think of
yourself????????????
Read what your Mom said-
'She always wanted the rocking chair and I'm glad that I gave it to her. When I
told her that I've always wondered what I might ever be able to give her she
said... You've given me you Ma and that's all that counts. Imagine! All of this
from the young woman that I had to take out a restraining order against when I
first sued for divorce!'
And of course the guilt that you somehow feel you must bear-
Julie wrote-
'right now all I can feel is confused and angry. Mostly at myself for not
seeing the problems in my my own family, I think I could have helped her, or at
least be some of her strenght. '
Stop projecting your anger and guilt and go seek professional
help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Run don't walk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You need to fix yourself so that you can make sure it never happens to your
daughter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scott M.
Straight, Normal, Conservative and Proud of it!!!!!!!!!
Chuck
wrote:
>chuck reminds me of a small child with a hammer...everything he sees
>deserves a pounding...it is an easy assurance that he will be missed by NO
>ONE when he is finally gone...
Yes, and here is a great example of a miserable little prick who
defamed me by saying he could see what was on my hard drive and that
it was naughty.... you Jeffey are not an example that we should be
holding ourselves up to you little troll.
Chuck
Chuck
>
>
>Chuck wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 04:40:18 GMT, vze2...@mail.verizon.net wrote:
>>
>> >You have
>> >zero understanding of the real world or how folks interact on ngs. You
>> >have always have and still do misundertstand the medium.
>>
>> One interesting aspect of all of this Paul.... Julie in her own way
>> proved that discussion newsgroups can get personal when you have
>> passion with your arguments.
>
>Perhaps I did not make a clear statement. Yes we make personal statements
>all of the time. They, are for me at least, a tactic in a debate even if
>they are true. This medium is entertainment and to be so full of one's self
>to take it all personally as in if it has any real importance is nuts. ddb
>said it several times in his posts, "I love a good debate". I remember
>years ago when we had all the regulars who were charter members of pgh.
>opinion flaming each other unmercifully ending up at Chiodo's in Homestead
>drinking beer together and having a good ole time. Jerremiah does not
>understand this.
I wonder sometimes if Jeremiah understands velcro... but then we do
have that hilarious example of him at the gas pumps angry that he
could not figure out 87 octane from 93.... but I digress.
> Perhaps it is because of his exaggerated sense of self
>importance, thinking that what he has to say here really means somthing to
>the world.
Seems like the muslim community ignores him.... but again, I digress.
> Folks please do not take this medium so seriously that you have
>anything but fun and entertainment debating your opinions.
Yes, exactly opinions.... what is this newsgroup called?
Chuck
Jeremiah McAuliffe
>Julie wrote-
>'right now all I can feel is confused and angry. Mostly at myself for not
>seeing the problems in my my own family, I think I could have helped her, or at
>least be some of her strenght. '
>
>Stop projecting your anger and guilt
Ugh!
Julie! Julie! Julie!
Voter95 is correct in a way..... none of this was or is your
responsiblity-- though a lot got dumped on you. You are the kid.
You've kind of got it backwards.... its not that you could have helped
her, but rather, she can still help you in a way she could not perhaps
do while alive. You could not be her strength, but she can still be a
strength to you, again, perhaps in a way she simply could not while
alive.
Julie! We know the heavy burden of difficulties she carried, right?
They were indeed extensive, intense and probably insurmountable in
this life. BUT... she died engaged in an attempt to acknowledge, deal
with, and change them with an effort that I dare say reached the level
of the heroic. This is not hyperbole. The fact is, I am probably the
one who knows best what she did here. She made astounding changes
while in Pittsburgh-- rare, very rare even in people with much lighter
burdens to carry. She struggled hard, and felt the pain *very keenly*
of slowly acknowledging various and unpleasant truths-- truths about
herself and others. She had the strength to do so, and that came ONLY
from a real faith in God The Most Merciful (not in dogmas or
theologies).
From that example you too can derive that same strength and courage
and effort. Did she get all the way with her efforts? No, and perhaps
that was a Mercy because her struggle was so very difficult. But she
DID end as a witness for others to what is Good, True, Just and Holy,
and I bear witness to *that*.
Remember this very important point: things that she may have journaled
represent her regard for and search for TRUTH. The specifics of her
life and search are somewhat irrelevant. Even the results are somewhat
irrelevant. Muhammad-- who Saabirah loved-- said something to the
effect that efforts such as hers are infinitely rewarded by God-- even
if the effort did not arrive a truth.
What is important, what is her example, what is her strength (that can
also be yours through her), was that she was trying-- and succeeding
to a large degree-- to tell herself the truth about herself, and about
others, and about Reality, even though it may have been unpleasant, or
even horrible, or embarassing and then-- even rougher-- required
*change*. She DID change. I'll tell you what I told her many times:
That takes balls. Big ones. Really big ones. What do you think will
happen when we return to God? We will be shown a *very detailed*
journal of our life, so to speak... she was already doing it.
You must look at her as a whole-- the totality of what she was, and
particularly how she ended her life because that sums it up. Call me
if you need to hear again all the good things I saw.... but keep in
mind: ALL of us have our dark parts, our shameful parts, our bad
parts, our embarassing parts, our shadow parts, AND our good parts. We
pray God covers up our sin, removes it, forgives it, and remembers
only the good. "..lead me not into temptation, but deliver me from
evil..."
Martin Luther King did astoundingly good things, but he was also an
adulterer and a plagiarist. Its one of the weird things about people--
ALL people except perhaps for Saints and Friends of God, but I've only
ever encountered one person who might be among that honored group.
A number of people have called me a number of times over the past
weeks to talk about your mom and process their feelings. Julie! She
had a *very good* influence on some who were also really trying and
searching. She was significant and a force for good in their lives and
is going to be very painfully missed by them. And that good influence
does not go away and still has power even though she is not here. It
is not negated nor compromised by anything else. People here are still
also in the process of mourning and grieving for your mom and probably
wrestling with at least some of the things you are, and are eager to
support you if you need it-- and to also accept support from you. We
know really good things about her.
FWIW that is my conclusion regarding the life of Sabina
Correnti-Moscone/Saabirah Abd' Al-Hayy. And God knows best.
I don't know what other newsgroups you are posting in, as Voter95
seemed to state, but keep in mind you are most likely stepping into
the middle of conversations and relationships that continued on a
daily basis for YEARS. So, without starting right at the beginning,
and reading absolutely everything, you most likely aren't going to get
a clear or accurate picture.
If you need to talk about your mom call me or Humera or Naeema. They
will be happy to talk with you, share with you and listen to you, as
am I. (Joyce and Leslie didn't actually know her very long... )
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Sammie813
>her.
>
I agree with you I never said that all were bad
Sammie813
>>our differences, she dished it out and so did I.
I agree that she dished it out. but i agree with Jeremiah
>There was no equivalence whatsoever. Not by any stretch of the
>imagination.
>
>Saabirah did not take things out of context to twist and cast unjust
>aspersion on the other person. You do it all the time,
>
>Saabirah never threatened people, such as you recently did with Jon.
>
>Saabirah never took a person's weakness as a weapon against them, to
>
>You and vze2 and she had multiple, extensive threads primarily between
>just the three of you... as far as I know, unless people had archiving
>off, its all there for anyone to see who was who.
I read the post's
>
>But if you are now going to pretend to her daughter that you were
>somehow buddies with her, or even remotely good-natured with and
>towards her, or that your interactions were just "friendly
>differences" or simple debate, then I'm going to post and say that is
>a flat-out lie and a perverted twisting of the truth in order to give
>yourself a gloss you simply do not merit.
I have come to understand your post's between one another were not friendly and
at times heated, I took your posts as personal attacks, hse was MY mother you
were speaking that way about and your bullshit post's spewing with lies, if
you were friendly with my mom, you would never have done what you did and you
never would have said what you said. end of that
>You need to change Chuck. Big time. Perhaps you'll take this
>opportunity to do so.
>
>- but don't bullshit her daughter. I mean,
>even YOU can't *want* to sink that low and be that disrespectful. I
>hope.
I can see through lies and cover up's I had something to say and I said it. I
realy don't want anyone to justify why it was done
Sammie813
>to be said. Saabirah could certainly speak for herself!
this is what happens when someone goes to google to find some posts
words..spening more and more time digging into newsgroups will destroy me.
> Julie, I am sorry to hear about your mother. I have to admit we've
>had disagreements, but she was a determined person, knowledgable of
>the world. Our debates were pretty civil. She had a very interesting
>perspective. We did agree on a few things, the most important is
>despite all that goes on in the world, there is hope.
> I won't lie and say I agreed with everything she said, but I think I
>can say I respected her opinion.
> You have my condolences.
Thank you
Sammie813
>
>Still an asshole who is always a lurker. Boy you need a life. You have
>zero understanding of the real world or how folks interact on ngs. You
>have always have and still do misundertstand the medium. Instead of
>continuing to spew your bile why not offer a prayer? You gave her the
>short shrift when she begged you to use your talents to further
>understading but you ignored her, now you have the balls to come off this
>way. You are a fraud.Say a prayer for her not continue with your "issues".
I cannot comment on this post because I have no knowelede on what you are
speaking about, but I will appreciate a prayer for my mom, and for my daughter
>
Sammie813
>proved that discussion newsgroups can get personal when you have
>passion with your arguments.
>
>Some comments by Julie:
>
>"I guess you have to have no life to spend most of it on a computer
>hiding behind it or are you just hiding your face, are you realy ugly
>or what?"
>
>Funny, I never got that personal with Saabirah that I called her ugly.
no you called her a liar, wacko, multi personality, jew hater, loser.. should i
get the quote?
>I guess discussion groups do get nasty sometimes.
>
>"I have no idea why she would have such a problem with a scumbag??"
>
>Funny, I never got to the point with Saabirah that I would make that
>sort of attack, a "scumbag"?
scumbag was just a compliment from me at that point.
>
>"you may see this person while looking in the mirror or perhaps you
>are speaking of your own mother"
>
>It's funny how some people with such a zeal to prove their points,
>actually prove mine... that discussion groups can get very spirited...
>but then I never got so nasty that I had to attack someone elses
>Mother.
>
attacking someones mother is EXACTLY what you did, did you say it? Yes! Well,
here's newsflash*****
SHE IS SOMEONE'S MOTHER MINE!!!! so none of your points here are valid
>
>
>
>
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Sammie813 wrote:
Actually Jeremiah has his moments, as when he speaks from his heart as he did in
his post to you. When he speaks from his head is another issue. Having said that I
did say a prayer for your mom and will say another for both her and your daughter.
If you would not be offended I would have a mass said for both.
Sammie813
>you need to seek professional help asap!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where should I start with the Pyscologist, the Pysciatrist or the Meds??
>I've read what you have
>been posting on other groups and all of the guilt that you bear!!!!!!!!!
Quilt?, what do you mean when you say that give me an example of what quilt
you believe that I may have please?The only quilt I bear is that I could not be
with her , I believe that if I were there she would be posting to this NG
tonight and not me.
Is it my fault that Marissa never met her? Yes.
Is it my fault that we had arguments?
No.
>It seems that you and your Mom had a tough go at times, and she even had to
have a court order against you when she filed for her divorce???????????
Yes she did get a restraing order against me , let me say this my mother was my
best friend in this world. And when people are going through a difficult
divorce, they will do anything or say "anything" to get what they need at that
time. My mother did not want me in her house because I was a 19 yr old kid that
loved both parents and wouldn't neccasarily take "her side" over "his" so out I
went. The only time I touched my mother was to give her a hug and the times I
spoke to her I told her I loved her, so please don't go there with me.. Please
let me share something with you about 2 years ago my mother stood next to me as
my matron of honor that place is usually reserved for a sister or a best
friend,, if she not my sister,, well you go ask yourself, if I would ever hurt
my mother
>What you are doing is projecting your guilt and anger at people who had
>nothing to do with the crux of YOUR problems,
Who are you? Are you in the clinical field or are you just giving advice, based
on one side of a story here
Your Mom was a big girl and she
>handled herself well on this group!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You should not worry
>about the opinions of some on a group, but rather what do you think of
>yourself????????????
I am, I was defending my mother.
>
>Read what your Mom said-
>'She always wanted the rocking chair and I'm glad that I gave it to her.
Its in my daughter's room, and I was looking forward to seeing my mother
holding hold her grandaughter in it... Its priceless
When
>I >told her that I've always wondered what I might ever be able to give her
she
>said... You've given me you Ma and that's all that counts.
>
>And of course the guilt that you somehow feel you must bear-
Is it quilt? If you are qualified, tell me how would you deal with the most
important person in your life moving to another state, not seeing this person
for a year and a half, then receiveing a call from a Coronor, on your daughters
first birthday, that my mother was found at home dead? Then to uncover all the
skeletons, there are so, so many, and oh yea deal with the everday bullshit,
tell me if you have the answers what do I do with this....
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Sammie813 wrote:
> Is it quilt? If you are qualified, tell me how would you deal with the most
> important person in your life moving to another state, not seeing this person
> for a year and a half, then receiveing a call from a Coronor, on your daughters
> first birthday, that my mother was found at home dead? Then to uncover all the
> skeletons, there are so, so many, and oh yea deal with the everday bullshit,
> tell me if you have the answers what do I do with this....
You should take Jeremiah's post to heart.
jeff swensen
yourself...still living with mommy??
>
Devon Hill
didn't agree with her hardly on anything but I always had a soft spot for
that woman..............ever since she emailed me privately a few years ago
and shared her story with me and shared with me some of the pain at that
time in her life vis a vis some deaths in the family!!!
I am seriously absolutely shocked and feel horrible over this
life.....though I never agreed with Sabr on anything, she was feisty and had
a pretty good sense of humor......
I really didn't even know she was that sick?? I knew she had stated that she
had been on medicine for something buy my Sweet Lord, I didn't know it was
so serious..........
Man, I'm blown away!!! A freind is missing from Cyberspace
tonight.........When did Sabr Pass if I may ask???
From a very very sorry Devon Hill in Canada.
"Sammie813" <samm...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021009163512...@mb-md.aol.com...
> Saabirah is proven to be a LIAR, AGAIN!
>
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:32:18 -0400, "Saabirah" <saab...@stargate.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Chuck..... I've never posted using any other than this one account and
name
> >in the past 3 years.... Saabirah...stargate.
>
> >>Once a liar ALWAYS A BIG liar, right Sabina... how many more aliases
> do you have?
>
> Her name was Sabina, she changed it to Saabirah after converting to the
muslim
> faith you asshole.I would think you would use Dick as an alias. I always
knew
> her as Ma, and she was far from being a stupid person. A stupid person
does
> not get a scholorship for academic excellence you moron. how many
languages
> can you speak chuck, my mother spoke 6 and taught all of them to her self.
>
> >>>The worst part is that you're too stupid to lie and cover yourself,
> but then you always have to tell a lie to cover a lie, right Sabina,
> or is that right Mike,John Hill or whoever the hell you're pretending
> to be.
>
> and who is it that you are pretending to be? If I had to guess an example
of a
> useless human being would be right on target
>
> >I guess you have to me a muslim to understand it.
>
> I guess you have to have no life to spend most of it on a computer hiding
> behind it or are you just hiding your face, are you realy ugly or what?
>
> >Do you have any shred of dignity left Saabirah?
>
>
> Chuck, you must be very bored these days, without my mother around, I am
sure
> you will find another person around here to try and humiliate. She had a
strong
> opinion about certain issues on this newsgroup and she certaintly had
issues
> with you, I have no idea why she would have such a problem with a
scumbag?? go
> figure
>
> >>>Jeremiah wants Paul to forsake me for my opinions on islam, but
> Jeremiah is more than happy to support this whacko, Jew hating,
> multiple personality bigot loser pal Sabina, or is it Saabirah, or is
> it John Hill now?
>
> She was not a "whacko, Jew hating, multiple personality bigot loser" I
think
> that you may see this person while looking in the mirror or perhaps you
are
> speaking of your own mother
>
> I hope you go straight to hell
>
Devon Hill
Jeremiah is posting..........keep in mind, Jeremiah has posted horrible
things against many people also, as have all of us in our anger and
frustrations, secondly, Jeremiah has a very skewed since of what it means to
be a bigot.........Yes Sammie, some of us here, myself included, disagreed
and will always disagree with Islam as being brutal and backwards as per
Muhammed's teachings........however, that does not mean that most Muslims
are not fine people ie your Mom...........their is such a thing as a
dichotomy which Jeremiah still seems not to understand......
I grew up with Muslims long before Jeremiah even knew what one was.......my
old girlfriend was a Turk (Sunni) and my 2 best freinds growing up were
Sunnis from Trinidad that converted to Christainity many years ago and I
have worked for 2 sets of different Muslims and I know most of them to be
fine people.......My disagreements have always been with Islam, not most of
its followers.........Jeremiah would have it outlawed for us to speak
against more of the unsavory aspects of Muhammed and his Islam which, sadly,
exist and exist very plainly.........this is our target and if sometimes we
got personal, which even your feisty Mom could do at times and myself, I
hope we keep in mind , that at least from where I sit, it is not the person
I am after but the ideology.....
Blessings
Devon Hill
"Sammie813" <samm...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021010182853...@mb-mf.aol.com...
Jeremiah McAuliffe
wrote:
>A freind is missing from Cyberspace
I'd sure hate to be your enemy.
You too abused her and her religion, not to mention you are an
internet stalker and a gross bigot.
Go ahead Devon.... rationalize your malice and evil.....
Devon Hill
"Jeremiah McAuliffe" <ali...@city-net.com> wrote in message
news:v08gqucefo9tbrqv8...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:32:08 GMT, "Devon Hill" <dsb...@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >A freind is missing from Cyberspace
>
> I'd sure hate to be your enemy.
That doesn't even make sense........
>
> You too abused her and her religion, not to mention you are an
> internet stalker and a gross bigot.
Yes, I abused Islam......on that I can proudly say I am guilty of and will
continue to do so.........I never ever meant to abuse Muslims however and
when I have crossed that line, I apologize........Islam is the enemy, not
most Muslims who are fine.............
Jeremiah, you really do come off as a little self righteous prig much of the
time.......
One shouldn't cast stones J dude.......especially considering some of your
incredible
histronics and ad hominens against people on this board.........
You cowardly hide behind your politically correct multicultural walls and
hurl words
that you don't even understand..........you throw out words like bigot in
the hope of
intimidating people from speaking the Truth about the cruel backwards
ideology of
Orthodox Islam (which you are not a member of)...........Well, its not
working....regardless
of having the Liberal Media and Academia on your side.......your ways are
found wanting
and cheap................What you call 'bigotry' is what the majority of the
world's inhabitants
call reality............Just ask the Hindus, Christians, Jews and
Secularists that have had to
live under the brutal yoke of Islam.........
You, my little new age 'muslim' are out of control......
And you seem to show little shame in trying to score cheap points with
Sabr's daughter
at the time of her grief..............we are all saddened by her untimely
demise........yet
it isn't beyond yourself to try and play the self righteous
hypocrite........Incredible!!!
Devon Hill
>
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
matter what we said to her and her back to us were able to have very
friendly and interesting discussion on other than hot button issues.
Lighten up dude, she took it less seriously than you, who delights in
using her death to further your agenda.
Jeremiah McAuliffe
>Lighten up dude, she took it less seriously than you,
Wrong again.
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
when we were all discussing pizza, art, et al it was a fun discussion.
The only one with a problem is you. Everyone, no matter what pov visa
vis Saabriah was truly shocked and saddened by her death but only you
had to bring forth your issues with folks here USING HER DEATH you
should be ashamed but I know you.
Devon Hill
<vze2...@mail.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3DA8E420...@mail.verizon.net...
> Still using a dead "friend" to advance your agenda. Look at the posts,
> when we were all discussing pizza, art, et al it was a fun discussion.
> The only one with a problem is you. Everyone, no matter what pov visa
> vis Saabriah was truly shocked and saddened by her death but only you
> had to bring forth your issues with folks here USING HER DEATH you
> should be ashamed but I know you.
Knowing Jeremiah , I doubt he has any sense of shame.........if he does its
buried
beneath layers of arrogance and dishonesty....
Devon Hill
Jeremiah McAuliffe
wrote:
Devon... the Canadien in the Pittsburgh group. Why?
Oh! Because you are an internet stalker, that's why.
Jeremiah McAuliffe
>
>when we were all discussing pizza, art, et al it was a fun discussion.
Don't mistake her kindness and patience and forebearance towards you
and Chuck with anything resembling friendship, or fellow-feeling, or
connection, or positive regard. She was well aware that she was being
abused by you guys-- indeed, you ganged up against her and tried very
hard to enflame others against her.
Do you think we didn't talk about you? Your constant slander of her,
and of her religion, hurt her very much. Constantly calling her liar,
loon, jew-hater, terrorist sympathizer, etc. cut her to the quick. How
could it not? Did you think it didn't hurt? Did you REALLY think "Oh,
its all just entertainment, not to be taken seriously. Ha! Ha!"
And there is no equivalence-- YOU GUYS are the aggressors. Don't blame
the people responding and telling you what you are. If you walk into a
bar and cause trouble, don't whine when you get hit, and blame others
for what you started in the first place.
My response-- as per M. Scott Peck-- is to stay away from people like
you (uh, have I been posting? and what was the posting ratio?
thousands to hundreds?). She thought there would still be hope you
could rise to a level of decency if you saw she could still be decent
in spite of your malice and hatred and your encouraging of those
qualities in others....
So, if you and Chuckie and Devon and friends want to continue to lie
to yourselves, go right ahead... it does seem to be one of the things
your type does well.
At least some other people who fought with her had the decency to
express some regrets over their interactions-- (and they weren't even
calling her the things you did-- over and over again-- and they didn't
take a weakness or emotional outburst and use it to misrepresent and
slander her over and over again.)
You guys couldn't even do that when her daughter showed up..... But
then Vze2, you now tell us that you find obvious expressions of
malice, bigotry, ill-will, and willful ignorance to be
"entertaining"..... <cough> Well then, if that is the case, why does
my "agenda" bother you so much? Its just entertainment, nothing more,
right?
Your best bet would be to feel and acknowledge your appropriate guilt
and regret-- there is a real difference between flaming and malice--
rather than trying to rationalize or excuse it away.... again, read
"People of the Lie".....
William Hershman
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Jeremiah McAuliffe wrote:
> Vze2, you now tell us that you find obvious expressions of
> malice, bigotry, ill-will, and willful ignorance to be
> "entertaining"..... <cough> Well then, if that is the case, why does
> my "agenda" bother you so much? Its just entertainment, nothing more,
> right?
>
#1, You don't bother me at all Jeremiah. You are merely someone to debate
with. If you think that I give even a moments thought to anything you say
after I leave the keyboard it is yet another example of your overinflated
sense of selfimportance.
#2 Please repost any bigoted posts by me, we went through this before and
you failed then. Malice and ill will, are up to the interpretation of the
receiver. I bear nither you or Saabriah any. I keep telling you not to take
this stuff personally but you won't listen.
#3 Willful ignorance is just your term for those who cannot see how
brilliant you are.
#4 Take care of that cough.
Devon Hill
> On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:31:19 GMT, "Devon Hill" <dsb...@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
> Devon... the Canadien in the Pittsburgh group. Why?
Yeah, like no other non Pittsburgher's have ever posted in this
group.......(sarcasm off)
>
> Oh! Because you are an internet stalker, that's why.
And you are fully paraniod dweeb who thinks much too highly of himself....
From a chuckling Devon in Canada.
Dave Glasser
08:07:12 -0400 in pgh.opinion:
>On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:10:23 GMT, vze2...@mail.verizon.net wrote:
>
>>
>>when we were all discussing pizza, art, et al it was a fun discussion.
>
>Don't mistake her kindness and patience and forebearance towards you
>and Chuck with anything resembling friendship, or fellow-feeling, or
>connection, or positive regard. She was well aware that she was being
>abused by you guys-- indeed, you ganged up against her and tried very
>hard to enflame others against her.
>
>Do you think we didn't talk about you? Your constant slander of her,
>and of her religion, hurt her very much. Constantly calling her liar,
>loon, jew-hater, terrorist sympathizer, etc. cut her to the quick. How
>could it not?
Then why did she keep coming back for more, day after day?
Please come down off your high horse, Jeremiah. Saabirah gave as good
as she got, period.
>Did you think it didn't hurt? Did you REALLY think "Oh,
>its all just entertainment, not to be taken seriously. Ha! Ha!"
>
>And there is no equivalence-- YOU GUYS are the aggressors. Don't blame
>the people responding and telling you what you are. If you walk into a
>bar and cause trouble, don't whine when you get hit, and blame others
>for what you started in the first place.
>
>My response-- as per M. Scott Peck-- is to stay away from people like
>you (uh, have I been posting? and what was the posting ratio?
>thousands to hundreds?).
You say that is if making only "hundreds" of posts to pgh.opinion is a
sign of character.
>She thought there would still be hope you
>could rise to a level of decency if you saw she could still be decent
>in spite of your malice and hatred and your encouraging of those
>qualities in others....
Please, stop. You read Saabirah's posts here like everyone else. You
can't really believe her purpose in posting was to set an example for
Chuck and Paul to follow. Saabirah liked to mix it up like everyone
else here, and there's nothing wrong with that.
>
>So, if you and Chuckie and Devon and friends want to continue to lie
>to yourselves, go right ahead... it does seem to be one of the things
>your type does well.
>
>At least some other people who fought with her had the decency to
>express some regrets over their interactions-- (and they weren't even
>calling her the things you did-- over and over again-- and they didn't
>take a weakness or emotional outburst and use it to misrepresent and
>slander her over and over again.)
I'm curious, who here was contrite to your satisfaction?
Your condescension is especially rich, considering that one of your
last public posts to Saabirah in this newsgroup contained this
passage:
>Jeremiah McAuliffe <ali...@city-net.com> wrote
>on Sat, 27 Jul 2002 08:22:55 -0400 in pgh.opinion:
>> No Saabirah, they are from your recent e-mails in response to, and in
>> denial of, my e-mails where I informed you I would no longer interact
>> with you unless a certain condition was met and the reasons for that.
>> Now, do you REALLY want to hash that out here? Do you really want it
>> played out here what I've said to you, that you appear to deny?
>>
>> I've ignored your wacky phone messages, your rabid e-mails, and your
>> transparant attempts to get my attention and your refusal to respect
>> my decision. Now, you've brought it here. I'll warn you again: don't
>> do it. You will only embarass yourself. You do remember the time soon
>> after you moved here when you had to go back and delete lots of your
>> articles from the internet archive?
>>
>> I strongly suggest you absolutely, completely drop it Saabirah and
>> don't even respond to this.
Are you going to take this opportunity to engage in some public
self-flagellation, to show how remorseful you are for making a veiled
threat to Saabirah that you'd "hash out" personal issues between the
two of you in public? Please do. I'm sure the people here whom you
have judged will be happy to judge you as well.
>
>You guys couldn't even do that when her daughter showed up.....
If you'll recall, her daughter showed up here with both guns blazing.
I was surprised and saddened to hear of her mother's passing, and I
was going to post a few words of condolence. (The only exchanges I
recall ever having with Saabirah were entirely cordial.) I decided to
stay out of it though because her agenda seemed to revolve more around
"slapping" people than making peace and eulogizing her mother.
Jeremiah McAuliffe
wrote:
>If you'll recall, her daughter showed up here with both guns blazing.
Justifiably so.
Chuck
wrote:
>Your condescension is especially rich, considering that one of your
>last public posts to Saabirah in this newsgroup contained this
>passage:
>>Jeremiah McAuliffe <ali...@city-net.com> wrote
>>on Sat, 27 Jul 2002 08:22:55 -0400 in pgh.opinion:
A month before Saabirah passes away, Jeremiah posts:
>>> No Saabirah, they are from your recent e-mails in response to, and in
>>> denial of, my e-mails where I informed you I would no longer interact
>>> with you unless a certain condition was met and the reasons for that.
>>> Now, do you REALLY want to hash that out here? Do you really want it
>>> played out here what I've said to you, that you appear to deny?
>>>
>>> I've ignored your wacky phone messages,
But wait.... he was such a friend to her? "wacky"?
Jeremiah, hate to tell you this dude, but wacky is who you were lip
locked with for 6 plus months, then you found out who it really was...
yichhhhh!
>>> your rabid e-mails,
Rabid e-mails? From a friend?
>>>and your
>>> transparant attempts to get my attention and your refusal to respect
>>> my decision. Now, you've brought it here. I'll warn you again: don't
>>> do it.
Above ole Jer Hypocrite threatens Saabirah.
>>>You will only embarass yourself. You do remember the time soon
>>> after you moved here when you had to go back and delete lots of your
>>> articles from the internet archive?
You made her delete her internet archive? Interesting.
>>> I strongly suggest you absolutely, completely drop it Saabirah and
>>> don't even respond to this.
>
>Are you going to take this opportunity to engage in some public
>self-flagellation, to show how remorseful you are for making a veiled
>threat to Saabirah that you'd "hash out" personal issues between the
>two of you in public? Please do. I'm sure the people here whom you
>have judged will be happy to judge you as well.
We know ole Jeremiah.... a immature little anti-American, self hating
little child.
The funniest part of all of this is what an unadulterated hypocrite
ole Jer dude really is. One just hopes that he is able to one day
figure out a gas pump.
Chuck
Chuck
>#3 Willful ignorance is just your term for those who cannot see how
>brilliant you are.
But Pauuuuuulllllll--- Jeremiah is an ARTEEESSST. He is brilliant
<giggle>. Jer dude is a religions expert, especially when it comes to
the Pope and the Vatican... remember, he was once thinking about
becoming a Priest and he even went to a Catholic school.
Chuck
Sammie813
From: Dave Glasser dgla...@pobox.com
Date: 10/13/2002 8:01 PM Eastern Standard Time
>If you'll recall, her daughter showed up here with both guns blazing.
I was surprised and saddened to hear of her mother's passing, and I was going
to post a few words of condolence. (The only exchanges I recall ever having
with Saabirah were entirely cordial.) I decided to stay out of it though
because her agenda seemed to revolve more around
slapping" people than making peace and eulogizing her mother
Indeed I did come here with both guns blazing, I was very angry and people
needed to know how I felt, this is an opinion newsgroup and that was my opinion
at the time.
I already eulogized my mother and it was me that stood at her grave with her.
I said things from my heart to her's these things were said between a daughter
and a mother not for some newsgroup. I did not intend on sharing my eulogy here
with anyone.
I am not blind, I read the newsgroup and I saw what my mother did, and I also
saw that some of the comments posted about my mother were absolutly
unreasonable and filled with hatred. I never once said that she never added
fuel to any fires here, I was pointing out that maybe people should stop and
think before they say something to someone, that they wouldn't want said their
own mothers
julie
Sammie813
>Date: 10/13/2002 9:20 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <Jqeq9.23384$gr6.21891@rwcrnsc53>
>
>I miss Saabirah, and I pray that she rests in Peace.
Thank you
Julie
Voter95
>needed to know how I felt, this is an opinion newsgroup and that was my
>opinion
>at the time.
And our opinions were appropriate at the time we posted
them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is an opinion related ng Julie and at times it
does get heated as you've proven from your nasty
outbursts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> I already eulogized my mother and it was me that stood at her grave with
>her.
>I said things from my heart to her's these things were said between a
>daughter
>and a mother not for some newsgroup.
I hope that your comments at the gravesite were enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think
you are still carrying a lot of baggage!!!!!!!!!!!! When someone gets a court
order against them it's usually the result of threats and or
violence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The fact that you never took your daughter to visit
your Mom speaks volumes about the relationship that you had with Saabirah.
For your child's sake Julie seek help asap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get well for
Marissa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A family counselor would be a great start!!!!
Don't rely on a Muslim in a rented suit for your mental health
care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope you're able to move on soon Julie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck in the
future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scott M.
Straight, Normal, Conservative and Proud of it!!!!!!!!!
Sammie813
><A92E4C669DD8EE33.C8E0ED79...@lp.airnews.net>
>
>>On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 03:10:23 GMT, vze2...@mail.verizon.net wrote:
>>
>Your condescension is especially rich, considering that one of your
>last public posts to Saabirah in this newsgroup contained this
>passage:
>
>>Jeremiah McAuliffe <ali...@city-net.com> wrote
>>on Sat, 27 Jul 2002 08:22:55 -0400 in pgh.opinion:
>
>>> No Saabirah, they are from your recent e-mails in response to, and in
>>> denial of, my e-mails where I informed you I would no longer interact
>>> with you unless a certain condition was met and the reasons for that.
>>> Now, do you REALLY want to hash that out here? Do you really want it
>>> played out here what I've said to you, that you appear to deny?
>>>
>>> I've ignored your wacky phone messages, your rabid e-mails, and your
>>> transparant attempts to get my attention and your refusal to respect
>>> my decision. Now, you've brought it here. I'll warn you again: don't
>>> do it. You will only embarass yourself. You do remember the time soon
>>> after you moved here when you had to go back and delete lots of your
>>> articles from the internet archive?
>>>
>>> I strongly suggest you absolutely, completely drop it Saabirah and
>>> don't even respond to this.
>Are you going to take this opportunity to engage in some public
>self-flagellation, to show how remorseful you are for making a veiled
>threat to Saabirah that you'd "hash out" personal issues between the
>two of you in public? Please do. I'm sure the people here whom you
>have judged will be happy to judge you as well.
I am going to respond to this subject because this thread keeps getting
brought up. I think, to try and make me feel anger towards Jeremiah. Some of
you would like to take the spotlight away from youself and place it on others
I can understand being in the spotlights can make you translucant sometimes
makes you feel vulnerable not a nice place to be
I know this for a fact my mother thought very highly of Jeremiah , they were
neighbors and friends and he helped her alot when she made the move to
Pittsburgh, I will not begin feeling any anger towards him now that she is
gone, what was said was said in this case
I am the only person on this earth who really knew everything about her, some
of you think you knew her, well your mistaken. I knew her as my mother, as a
christian, as a muslim, and as my friend and we had some good fights, but that
never ment that we didn't love and respect each other, can any of you say that
you NEVER had a fight with anyone you care about? I didnt think so.
Jeremiah as my mom's frind had the right to argue with her, he did not make
things up about her, or attack her for no apparent reason she and he had there
own personal argument and I am going to leave that alone.
Before this tread gets any longer with bickering back and forth, with name
calling and finger pointing (which is exactly what I didn't intend on doing) I
would like to thank Jeremiah for picking me up and driving my to my mothers
apartment, so that I could move her things back to Boston.
As far as I can see only one of her friends, were there to help me when I
needed it. so please stop trying to get me to believe that Jeremiah is the
enemy here because his actions speak much louder than your words....
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
When were were not rehashing the Palestinian problem your mother and I talked alot
about Boston to the point it made me homesick. Do you go to the S. End, is the
original Pizzeria Regina still there? Is the big Dig done?
Sammie813
>Date: 10/15/2002 4:00 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3DAC73D0...@mail.verizon.net
>
>
>When were were not rehashing the Palestinian problem your mother and I talked
alot about Boston to the point it made me homesick. Do you go to the S. End, is
the original Pizzeria Regina still there? Is the big Dig done?
>
Pizza Regina is still there, we used to go there all the time.. yummy yummy
pizza, I don't think they make pizza like that anywhere. It was one of our
favorite spots to go.
The Big Dig, wow what a disaster! The only thing about that is I am always
digging in my pocket to pay the toll increases, seems to increase each week =(
oh well, It will be done soon I hope, so far the new bridge is absolutley
breathtaking, especialy at night the traffic I could do without, "I love that
dirty water, boston your my home" what a a great song =)
neters
"Voter95" <vot...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021015141423...@mb-ck.aol.com...
> >Indeed I did come here with both guns blazing, I was very angry and
people
> >needed to know how I felt, this is an opinion newsgroup and that was my
> >opinion
> >at the time.
>
> And our opinions were appropriate at the time we posted
> them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is an opinion related ng Julie and at times
it
> does get heated as you've proven from your nasty
> outbursts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
argh scott!!!!! believe it or not im pretty conservative!!!! and im
straight!!!! so i actually like some of what you post!!!! but what's with
all the ***** exclamation points???!!!!!!! it's so annoying!!! and THATS my
OPINION!!!!!!!!
on a side note, isn't it time to move ON? some of the people on this group
need to GET A LIFE.
on that happy note i have more groups to read...
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Regina called Vincent's but there is no substitute. What I miss the most here other
than the sea, I was born and raised in Hingham and spent 10 years in the USCGR, is
fried clams.
Sammie813
Julie wrote
Indeed I did come here with both guns blazing, I was very angry and
>people needed to know how I felt, this is an opinion newsgroup and that was my
opinion at the time
.
>>
>> And our opinions were appropriate at the time we posted
them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is an opinion related ng Julie and at times
it does get heated as you've proven from your nasty
outbursts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nasty outburst? You havn't even seen nasty, I held back ALOT I could show nasty
if you would like, just let me know
on a side note, isn't it time to move ON? some of the people on this group
need to GET A LIFE.
"move ON?" who is this directed towards
Dave Glasser
pgh.opinion:
> I already eulogized my mother and it was me that stood at her grave with her.
>I said things from my heart to her's these things were said between a daughter
>and a mother not for some newsgroup. I did not intend on sharing my eulogy here
>with anyone.
Uh, just to set the record straight, when I used the word "eulogize",
I was not referring to some sort of formally delivered eulogy, but
rather the informal rememberances often exchanged by friends and
acquaintenances of someone recently deceased. So to state my point
more plainly, it did not seem that you posted here to let people know
that your mother had died and to graciously accept their expressions
of sympathy, but rather to lash out and insult people, even as they
offered words of condolence. Don't misunderstand me, it's not that I
really care what you did or what you posted. I was just responding to
something that Jeremiah had said.
>
>I am not blind, I read the newsgroup and I saw what my mother did, and I also
>saw that some of the comments posted about my mother were absolutly
>unreasonable and filled with hatred. I never once said that she never added
>fuel to any fires here, I was pointing out that maybe people should stop and
>think before they say something to someone, that they wouldn't want said their
>own mothers
It takes two to tango.
Dorzilla
samm...@aol.com (Sammie813) wrote:
> Indeed I did come here with both guns blazing, I was very angry and people
> needed to know how I felt, this is an opinion newsgroup and that was my opinion
> at the time.
What makes you believe that you have some God given right to make
people know you're angry. If you have a problem with what people
have said here it's just that... YOUR problem. To use your own
logic, it's an opinion group... if someone has the opinion that
someone else is [insert opinion here], that opinion has every right
your opinion has, to be brought to light. Sorry, but if you claim
the right ot voice any old opinion you want, you have to extend that
courtesy to everyone. Either keep them guns holstered, point them
elsewhere, or expect to be shot at.
> I am not blind, I read the newsgroup and I saw what my mother did, and I also
> saw that some of the comments posted about my mother were absolutly
> unreasonable and filled with hatred.
Welcome to an *OPINION* news group. :)
> fuel to any fires here, I was pointing out that maybe people should stop and
> think before they say something to someone, that they wouldn't want said their
> own mothers
Pot... kettle... black.
>
> julie
Voter95
>elsewhere, or expect to be shot at.
>
Julie has other problems that cause her to flame people on this ng!!!!!!!!!!!!
She fails to see her own hypocrisy in entering this group flaming and bitching
about others flaming her Mom!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's interesting to note that she
only comes here to "defend" her Mom once she has died!!!!!! She of course did
not know her Mom was a subscriber to this group but of course her super Muslim
friend Jeremiah knew!!!!!!!!!! Imagine that Super Muslim knew more about her
Mom than she did????????
Julie has yet to address the people that have fucked over her Mom... her Father
and Herself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Imagine having a baby and not introducing her to
her Grandma????????????
Julie needs to visit a family counselor asap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
julie00613
> In article <20021015135202...@mb-fx.aol.com>
> samm...@aol.com (Sammie813) wrote:
>
> > Indeed I did come here with both guns blazing, I was very angry and people
> > needed to know how I felt, this is an opinion newsgroup and that was my opinion
> > at the time.
>
> What makes you believe that you have some God given right to make
> people know you're angry.
What makes you believe that I don't?
> If you have a problem with what people
> have said here it's just that... YOUR problem. To use your own
> logic, it's an opinion group... if someone has the opinion that
> someone else is [insert opinion here], that opinion has every right
> your opinion has, to be brought to light. Sorry, but if you claim
> the right ot voice any old opinion you want, you have to extend that
> courtesy to everyone. Either keep them guns holstered, point them
> elsewhere, or expect to be shot at.
Go right ahead and shoot, I bet you will miss me..
who are you, and why are you wasting your breath?
>
> > I am not blind, I read the newsgroup and I saw what my mother did, and I also saw that some of the comments posted about my mother were absolutly
> > unreasonable and filled with hatred.
>
> Welcome to an *OPINION* news group. :)
>
> > fuel to any fires here, I was pointing out that maybe people should stop and think before they say something to someone, that they wouldn't want said their own mothers
>
> Pot... kettle... black.
Did you read the posts, were any of them directed towards you? I wasnt
directing anything your way. Why then, are you part of this?
>
>
> >
> > julie
Fitshaced Monkey
>Did you read the posts, were any of them directed towards you? I wasnt
>directing anything your way. Why then, are you part of this?
We all be part of dis... why you gonna be nasty to yo momma? If yo be postin to
diss group we be all be part of dis. You be a nasty bitch to yo momma why you do
dat?
Bitch slappin da Monkey Mans
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`------' Bitch slappin da Monkey Mans
wanted shit head monkey aka: rich
crimes: brunnt out freaky drug abusin monkey bitch
ht: 3'7
wt 70pounds
drug user
ass fucker
nigga hatin
no daughter lyin ass hole
no wife no life
this monkey aint got no job now
sHeiLa rUlz mOnKeYs dRoLLs
sHeiLa rUlz this gRoUp
sHeiLa rOkz
Voter95
>directing anything your way. Why then, are you part of this?
Julie:
This is a public ng!!!!!!!!!!! Whatever you say can and will be replied
to!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you don't want to be posted on I suggest you send
e-mails!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You've made your life a matter of public discussion,
expect it to be public now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is obvious that you know little about the Internet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's also
clear that you do not have the smarts that your mom had either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeremiah McAuliffe
you before I freak out and I start slapping the shit out of all of you muther fuckers.
I happen to love Julie and I am sexually attracted to her. After all a Moslum has to
get him some pussy sometimes too so don't fuck up my chances.
Check out my new CD
Jeremiah McAuliffe
> flaming and bitching
>about others flaming her Mom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wrong.
There is a big difference between flaming and malice/willful
misrepresentation, which is what some on this group do for
"entertainment". There is a big difference between flaming and calling
the good inauthentic and the evil authentic, thus discouraging one and
encouraging the other.
But then, we know that such "subtleties" fly right past some on this
group.....
Jeremiah McAuliffe
>Did you read the posts, were any of them directed towards you? I wasnt
>directing anything your way. Why then, are you part of this?
Guilt?
Jeremiah McAuliffe
had nothing better to do with my time either.... but thanks for
illustrating my points, again and again and again.
Peck described some of you very well.....
Chuck
<ali...@city-net.com> wrote:
>On 16 Oct 2002 13:36:20 GMT, vot...@aol.com (Voter95) wrote:
>
>> flaming and bitching
>>about others flaming her Mom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>Wrong.
>
>There is a big difference between flaming and malice/willful
>misrepresentation,
Most of the times flames have all of that... but of course you're the
expert Jer. Things are misrepresented on the Net all day long
Jeremiah, I thought with you being a PHD you would understand?
>which is what some on this group do for
>"entertainment".
It's a discussion group Jer... live with it. Better yet, get a life
and quit playing with your hamsters.
>There is a big difference between flaming and calling
>the good inauthentic
There are those who supported Arafat the terrorist bastard and there
are those who supported the Jews.
>and the evil authentic, thus discouraging one and
>encouraging the other.
And of course there are those who did nothing but to blame God for
what true islam did on 9-11 and there are those who were angry. There
are those who were the islam apologists and well, you already know now
don't you Jeremiah?
Before you get a life Jer, get a clue.
>But then, we know that such "subtleties" fly right past some on this
>group.....
"Subtleties" Now that is funny. And of course we can never forget
your subtleties, ehhh Dr.Jihad?
GW Bush perpetrated the attacks on the WTC
It was all God's fault that the followers of true islam attacked
America, huh Jer?
How about all of your wonder posts Jer? All of the paranoid whacko
stuff you posted? Indefensible!
Can't forget your anti-Catholic bias either
"I'm too old for the junior classes at NAMBLA and I'm not Catholic
anymore-- an organization that aids and abets pedophilia"
Yes, Jeremiah the closet bigot.
We cannot forget Jeremiah's notable quotes either:
_______________________________________________________________________________
Find it yourself, lazy ass.
I just said I was wrong you stupid twit.
Thank you for again proving (again) how astoundingly obtuse and stupid
you are.
We can ALL say "Fuck YOU
You are so fucking gawddam stupid.
I meant to say "you stupid mindless fuck
I just did you stupid fuck.
Cheap Jew
Smelly Nigger
Faggot Brit
Greasy Wetback
Stupid Polock
As you sit on your fat ass drinking a beer and watching WWF.
You *are* a stupid shit.
No dude. You morons are unbelievable
Fuck you.
Fuck you.
The New-Tribal Mischa?
Well, FUCK YOU. You aren't worth it, and neither are they.....
Fuck you muther-fuckin' asshole.
Yeah muther-fucker-- by giving me shit YOU give comfort to those who
would kill you.
Stupid Fuck.
You suck as bad as they do....
Chuck
<ali...@city-net.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:01:05 -0400, Dave Glasser <dgla...@pobox.com>
>wrote:
>
>>If you'll recall, her daughter showed up here with both guns blazing.
>
>Justifiably so.
LOL--- great comeback Jer... one of your best.
Chuck
Voter95
The only guilt present on this group is from the daughter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Imagine a court order to keep a daughter from the mom??????? Imagine having a
baby and NEVER taking it to see Grandma????????????
You Muslims with the rented suits are a howl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Voter95
>get him some pussy sometimes too so don't fuck up my chances.
A very perveted Muslim too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Voter95
>shit from
>you before I freak out and I start slapping the shit out of all of you muther
>fuckers.
A very nasty Muslim I may add.
Dorzilla
samm...@aol.com (julie00613) wrote:
> > What makes you believe that you have some God given right to make
> > people know you're angry.
>
> What makes you believe that I don't?
An IQ higher than a seedless grape.
> Go right ahead and shoot, I bet you will miss me..
Hitting or missing a self serving twit who thinks an *.opinion
newsgroup exists for their whining and crying alone matters not. A
twit is a twit is a twit, holes or no holes. You flatly confess to
having blazing guns and justify it by hiding behind group
nomenclature, but throw hissy fits about other posters taking the
exact same liberty. Grow up, take your meds, and get on with life.
The sun doesn't rise and set on your ass.
> who are you, and why are you wasting your breath?
Wasted? Not exactly. Your read and replied, and you'll at least read
this one. :)
> > Pot... kettle... black.
>
> Did you read the posts, were any of them directed towards you? I wasnt
> directing anything your way. Why then, are you part of this?
To teach you that you're acting like a spoiled brat. To use your own
words against you, this is an OPINION group. It's my opinion you're
a double standard using snot who blundered in here with a
illconceived chip on your shoulder. What's said here means nothing
in light of the fact that anyone can simply turn off the switch for
good at any moment in time. If Mom hadn't wanted to play along she
wouldn't have been here. You have no right to say anything about
anyone for that simple fact alone.
Bottom line... if you don't like what you read here, vote with your
feet. Don't play baby games then hide behind some sort of
pseudomoral "I have a right to voice my OPINION" bullshit then whine
about someone else doing the same.
g
the poster.
"Jeremiah McAuliffe" <ali...@city-net.com> wrote in message
news:f90rquciefok5e1mb...@4ax.com...
Chuck
>If you read the message headers, the so called "fitshaced monkey" could be
>the poster.
Someday Jeremiah will get a clue and stop using his dead friend
Saabirah as a crutch to get all of us infidels back.... he even speaks
for the dead now.
Chuck
Jeremiah McAuliffe
Hey Chuck! Why don't you try and get someone in trouble with their
employer? It really is expressive of your self, and the rest has been
tired for months.....
After employers, you could escalate to spouses! Woo Hoo! That's
Entertainment!
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Chuck
<ali...@city-net.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:38:32 GMT, Chuck <charl...@home.com> wrote:
>
>
>Hey Chuck! Why don't you try and get someone in trouble with their
>employer? It really is expressive of your self, and the rest has been
>tired for months.....
Shame that is the best you can do Dr.Jihad... you are really a loser.
If your brains were dynamite you could not blow your own nose.
>After employers, you could escalate to spouses! Woo Hoo! That's
>Entertainment!
I guess it's entertaining for you to use your dead friends for your
Jihad against us infidels, ehhh?
Muhammad the murderous, final false pedophile prophet is pleased with
you Jer.
Chuck
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
Jeremiah McAuliffe wrote:
> On 16 Oct 2002 13:36:20 GMT, vot...@aol.com (Voter95) wrote:
>
> > flaming and bitching
> >about others flaming her Mom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Wrong.
>
> There is a big difference between flaming and malice/willful
> misrepresentation, which is what some on this group do for
> "entertainment". There is a big difference between flaming and calling
> the good inauthentic and the evil authentic, thus discouraging one and
> encouraging the other.
You are a good doobie for helping Saabriah's daughter this is reflective
of your good qualities.
The other stuff ?
jeff swensen
veracity let alone someone who lived 15 centuries ago...his opinions are
meaningless and his value is worthless...we should turn him in to the
authorities for some of the moral transgressions he has made...section
302 his ass...i believe he may be a guilty of ethnic intimidation...
Chuck
wrote:
>chuck is a fag masturbator
I guess it takes a queer to know another queer ehhh jeffey?
Now go play with your cameras you dipshit asshole.
Gary J.English
Chuck <charl...@home.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 11:32:45 -0400, jeff swensen <jswe...@usaor.net>
> wrote:
>
> >chuck is a fag masturbator
>
> I guess it takes a queer to know another queer ehhh jeffey?
So you ADMIT to being a pole smoker? That explains a lot. The
frustration of living a ridiculed lifestyle, and your hatred for
anyone who enjoys things in life YOU have so many problems with,
must be too much for you. Now we can understand why you anally
attack anything and everything.... you're a frustrated little homo
drug addict in a nowhere job who hates to see anyone ELSE have a
normal life because their's is so fucked up.
Chuck
wrote:
How cute someone learned how to use a remailer... lol.
Chuck
jeff swensen
jeff swensen
about the stuff you've hidden away on yer hard drive and the reason why
you keep such an anonomous profile...been violating megan's law
lately?? it seems charles has an infamous past.
Chuck
Chuck <charl...@home.com> wrote:
> How cute someone learned how to use a remailer... lol.
Now if I could learn to grow brain cells and a penis we might get
somewhere... lol.
Chuck
wrote:
>chuck, you spew such worthless drivel...why don't you tell everyone here
>about the stuff you've hidden away on yer hard drive and the reason why
>you keep such an anonomous profile...been violating megan's law
>lately?? it seems charles has an infamous past.
LOL--- such a childish little boy....
Chuck
vze2...@mail.verizon.net
jeff swensen wrote:
I guess things to talk about are scarce around here.